More Americans View Trump Favorably Than When They Elected Him
The daily reports of Trump’s “historically high unfavorable ratings” (38% favorable, 57% unfavorable in latest Gallup) ignores the most obvious of all polling facts—his unfavorable ratings were much higher when he won the election (34%, 62% in the same poll). If Gallup is accurate, then 85 million election day voters with an unfavorable opinion of President Trump went to the polls and at least 11 million of them still voted for him over Hillary Clinton and all other options.
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Never in history have so many Americans voted for the agenda of a president, without liking the candidate himself.
Trump won Florida when African-American voters gave him a chance by giving Hillary Clinton the lowest percentage of their vote for any Democrat in decades (82%).
Evangelical voters were horrified by his explicit language, but voted for him by a record 81-16 margin after his description of partial birth abortion in the third debate while Hillary Clinton defended the practice.
Working class conservatives who do not typically like New York billionaires read the Breitbart report that Hedge Fund money lined up $123 million to $19,000 in favor of Clinton, and they understood which candidate was the choice of the insiders bailing out the big four banks at their expense. No they were not “stupid” or “deplorable,” rather their common sense saw through the liberal intellectuals who were selling them a bill of goods.
In the much talked about New York Times best seller Devil’s Bargain, my quote that actually referred to a high school attended by both Steve Bannon and myself seems to apply to many voters today: “We were the blue collar guys. They were the rich snobs … (They’d say we’d work for them) And we’d punch ’em in the nose. (By economic conservatism, we) … didn’t mean rich guys protecting their tax breaks. It meant, for all of us that were working class, that you worked a job. It was that kind of conservatism that we believed really helped the average worker.”
On Election Day, the 11 million voters who decided they did not like Trump collectively said, “Trump is an SOB, but he is our SOB and our cause is more important than the messenger.” (Note: For stat nerds who want to check these numbers, 63 million or 46.1 percent, voted for Trump, more than the 34 percent with a favorable impression plus the 4 percent with no opinion to get him to 38 percent of the vote, meaning 8 percent or 11 million voters voted for Trump despite an unfavorable view of Trump.)
On September 9, I sent an email to almost every media outlet in the country predicting almost exactly that Donald Trump would lose the popular vote by three percentage points, and become president with at least 290 Electoral Votes. I did this by looking at the state-by-state poll run by the Washington Post and how each state would likely adjust based on the reaction to Trump’s message at the Republican National Convention. Likewise, pollsters are now using data that actually shows Trump ahead of his pace from last election—and yet they spin the news as pointing to a tough re-election to once again give a false sense of security to Trump opponents.
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Americans now give him better favorable marks by 4-5 points over when they elected him, and coupled with the 11 million Trump voters who do not like Trump but voted for him, it can be argued this puts Trump on pace to pull out the popular vote by 1 to 2 points (despite getting blown out in California and New York), and thus win by at least as big an Electoral Margin.
The flip side of the argument;
Head-to-head polls of hypothetical opponents show Trump losing, but these are normally flawed because the would-be opponent will face attacks and vetting.
Hillary Clinton is no longer the opponent and other factors continued to change in a tumultuous week, which is also true but many Democrats are leading with an issue that is much less popular than Hillary Clinton —the removal of Confederate statues as though they will come back to life like in Night at the Museum. A new NPR polls indicates only 27 percent agree with these Democrats, while 62 percent instead side with Trump that they should remain, and this 27/62 is much worse than Clinton’s favorable/unfavorable on election day. Perhaps of more concern to Democrats is that a wide majority of Latinos and even slightly more African-Americans (40/44) side with Trump.
Americans are tired of nuclear politics (the very reason we formed www.takeback.org and took to the airwaves to educate the public on the benefits of political reform), another fair point except for Antifa’s violent tactics, including training on how to mace and club anyone who attends a speech by the president of the United States.
In summary, Trump wrapped up the week of August 19 substantially ahead of where he was last election day and some of the intensity of the push for impeachment and action by the special prosecutor stems from the understanding of many who oppose Trump that he does not necessarily need to be popular to win. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/23/americans-view-trump-favorably-elected/
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Never in history have so many Americans voted for the agenda of a president, without liking the candidate himself.
Trump won Florida when African-American voters gave him a chance by giving Hillary Clinton the lowest percentage of their vote for any Democrat in decades (82%).
Evangelical voters were horrified by his explicit language, but voted for him by a record 81-16 margin after his description of partial birth abortion in the third debate while Hillary Clinton defended the practice.
Working class conservatives who do not typically like New York billionaires read the Breitbart report that Hedge Fund money lined up $123 million to $19,000 in favor of Clinton, and they understood which candidate was the choice of the insiders bailing out the big four banks at their expense. No they were not “stupid” or “deplorable,” rather their common sense saw through the liberal intellectuals who were selling them a bill of goods.
In the much talked about New York Times best seller Devil’s Bargain, my quote that actually referred to a high school attended by both Steve Bannon and myself seems to apply to many voters today: “We were the blue collar guys. They were the rich snobs … (They’d say we’d work for them) And we’d punch ’em in the nose. (By economic conservatism, we) … didn’t mean rich guys protecting their tax breaks. It meant, for all of us that were working class, that you worked a job. It was that kind of conservatism that we believed really helped the average worker.”
On Election Day, the 11 million voters who decided they did not like Trump collectively said, “Trump is an SOB, but he is our SOB and our cause is more important than the messenger.” (Note: For stat nerds who want to check these numbers, 63 million or 46.1 percent, voted for Trump, more than the 34 percent with a favorable impression plus the 4 percent with no opinion to get him to 38 percent of the vote, meaning 8 percent or 11 million voters voted for Trump despite an unfavorable view of Trump.)
On September 9, I sent an email to almost every media outlet in the country predicting almost exactly that Donald Trump would lose the popular vote by three percentage points, and become president with at least 290 Electoral Votes. I did this by looking at the state-by-state poll run by the Washington Post and how each state would likely adjust based on the reaction to Trump’s message at the Republican National Convention. Likewise, pollsters are now using data that actually shows Trump ahead of his pace from last election—and yet they spin the news as pointing to a tough re-election to once again give a false sense of security to Trump opponents.
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Americans now give him better favorable marks by 4-5 points over when they elected him, and coupled with the 11 million Trump voters who do not like Trump but voted for him, it can be argued this puts Trump on pace to pull out the popular vote by 1 to 2 points (despite getting blown out in California and New York), and thus win by at least as big an Electoral Margin.
The flip side of the argument;
Head-to-head polls of hypothetical opponents show Trump losing, but these are normally flawed because the would-be opponent will face attacks and vetting.
Hillary Clinton is no longer the opponent and other factors continued to change in a tumultuous week, which is also true but many Democrats are leading with an issue that is much less popular than Hillary Clinton —the removal of Confederate statues as though they will come back to life like in Night at the Museum. A new NPR polls indicates only 27 percent agree with these Democrats, while 62 percent instead side with Trump that they should remain, and this 27/62 is much worse than Clinton’s favorable/unfavorable on election day. Perhaps of more concern to Democrats is that a wide majority of Latinos and even slightly more African-Americans (40/44) side with Trump.
Americans are tired of nuclear politics (the very reason we formed www.takeback.org and took to the airwaves to educate the public on the benefits of political reform), another fair point except for Antifa’s violent tactics, including training on how to mace and club anyone who attends a speech by the president of the United States.
In summary, Trump wrapped up the week of August 19 substantially ahead of where he was last election day and some of the intensity of the push for impeachment and action by the special prosecutor stems from the understanding of many who oppose Trump that he does not necessarily need to be popular to win. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/23/americans-view-trump-favorably-elected/
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Why? Can't face the truth?
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And, awayyyyyyyyyyyyyy we go!
Must be nice to have someone protecting you from a "meanie" liberal like me.
Just a note about Gallup polls. They're among the most inaccurate in the business. That same poll that had Trump down 62-35 had Clinton down 57-40 in unfavorables and she got nearly 3 million more votes than Trump and the plurality of all the votes. So this is meaningless. Apparently a lot of people voted for both candidates despite having unfavorable opinions. This is just another example of the desperate rightwing trying to grasp at any straw. But it is entertaining.
I think Trump is a boob and I didn't vote for him (or Hillary). However, I also thought he could pull the election off last year and I think he could do it again if democrats run another horrible candidate who promotes gender bending, hideouts for illegal aliens, abortion, a foreign policy of anything other than "go geet em", and tearing down confederate statutes.
Well, "thanks" for helping to put that infantile, lying, narcissistic and incompetent asshole in the White House.
Well, "thanks" for helping to put that infantile, lying, narcissistic and incompetent asshole in the White House.
If you run a turd against a turd, then a turd will win. Thanks for contributing a turd.
If you run a turd against a turd, then a turd will win. Thanks for contributing a turd.
Thanks for that analogy and the admission that you won the biggest turd contest. Oh, never mind how the country's in for a really rough rogering from your Dear Turd.
Thanks for that analogy and the admission that you won the biggest turd contest. Oh, never mind how the country's in for a really rough rogering from your Dear Turd.
I left the turd contest to you guys and didn't play.
More Americans View Trump Favorably Than When They Elected Him
That statement is total BS. Along the same exact lines as the claim that more people attended Trump's inauguration than any other in history. Total BS! Everthing about Donald Trump is FAKE, because Donald Trump is a liar.
BBBS
BBBS = Bannon's Breitbart Bull Shit!
(After a day of being posted I stopped waiting for anyone to ask.)
CONSIDER THE SOURCE PEOPLE. This article is worthless Bannon PROPAGANDA.
I read it as BB BS, you know, BS made of BB's...
Doesn't really matter how anyone reads it, it's still FAKE NEWS by the SNOWFLAKES of BANNON'S BRIETBART.
I can't trust polls anymore. According to polls, he had NO chance of winning in the first place !
He does draw a crowd, which gives me further leaning that polls still can't be that good.
I can't trust polls anymore. According to polls, he had NO chance of winning in the first place !
He does draw a crowd, which gives me further leaning that polls still can't be that good
The national polls actually were very accurate. They predicted Clinton would win the popular vote by 3-4 points and she won by 2, well within the margin of error.
They were well off in many battleground states.
Remember the seed you posted from Slate, I think, on the morning of the election predicting Clinton comfortably winning Ohio, MI, Wisc etc.. based on the final polls and turnout measures. You were very confident in how accurate it was.
They were well off in many battleground states.
Remember the seed you posted from Slate, I think, on the morning of the election predicting Clinton comfortably winning Ohio, MI, Wisc etc.. based on the final polls and turnout measures. You were very confident in how accurate it was.
You may be absolutely correct to be cynical, Sean; but let us not forget the Comey memo, the Russian hackers, Russian bots, the Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, Bernie Sanders voters, and, the 40% of eligible voters who stayed home on their dead asses.
Trump lost the popular vote by roughly 10 million … so, while you have reason to doubt the veracity of polls, there may be identifiable reasons for their inability to get it right as voters changed their minds when the Comey memo and the start of early voting coincided!
Time may tell.
Let me say something about "discussion/debate" on social media vs. discussion/debate/dispute, etc., in venues where protocols exist and there is a phenomenon known as "on or a matter of record".
A matter of record is anything entered in the official court record, including pleadings, testimony, evidence, motions, objections, rulings, and the verdict.
No, social media is not a court … and, I am quite aware …
X - you and I agree on this.
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is a personal insult. Plus, Pj likes my stick so I'm sticking up for her.
Dude - you don't know me. I would venture to say we probably agree on more than not. Don't paint me as something because you have a different opinion then mine about a group. I would ask that you get to know me first. The good thing is that you called me a racist so nothing will be done about it. I've been called quite a lot of horrible things on this site and I'm still here. The bad thing is you called X a racist so you might get dinged for it.
Dude - you don't know me. I would venture to say we probably agree on more than not.
When you employed that racist lie that BLM is a racist movement, you showed me that we're not likely to agree on anything of substance, "Dude."
Polls are always bunk. Perhaps they should only ask people who vote. The Dems obviously still can't get their constitutes off their butts long enough to get to the polls. One of the downfalls of loading your base by promising free stuff.
The Dems obviously still can't get their constitutes off their butts long enough to get to the polls.
It seems no matter how many times we point out the fact that 2.8 million more voters got off their butts to vote for HRC than "President" Turd (h/t to 1ofmany) the turdistas (thanks again, 1ofmany) continue to lie about the vote.
34% and 38%.
That feels like desperation to me, since 38% is pretty appalling.
"Hey, I know you really hated me a year ago, but you hate me only marginally less now. Victory!"
That feels like desperation to me, since 38% is pretty appalling.
Not to mention the lowest (by far) of any new president in the history of polling. But polls never get right, right?
from fivethirtyeight.com
This isn't about popularity. Trump polled worse than any other candidate in history and Hillary was right behind him at number two most hated. Yet he won. If he won with 34%, then he can win with 38%. He won't get anybody that hates him to change position so he needs to hold his base and try and expand a few points. He's already running for re-election and going back to rallies. He tests his positions at rallies like a TV focus group or a comedian at a local comedy club. If it flies in the smaller venue, then he takes it to a larger one. He sends out tweets like trial balloons. He doesn't need to be accurate about what he says because his crowd doesn't care about it. He's talking for effect, not accuracy.
He doesn't know how to play the game so he changed it to a game he knows how to play. Democrats latched onto transgender nonsense. Trump pivoted from transgender bathrooms to transgender soldiers and refused to pay for any more transition surgery or admit more transgenders. He gets cheers from his crowd. Democrats support sanctuary cities and Trump just pardoned Arpaio as a slap in the face to both the courts and sanctuary cities. More cheers. He supposedly made a mistake with Charlottesville but I think he's successfully appealing to a broad spectrum of whites across the south by not condemning them for protecting what they see as their culture. I hear cheers on this board and elsewhere. He may also end DACA, if he thinks it pushes ratings -- I mean polls -- up a notch.
So, what have we here?
One bigot-racist pardons another bigot-racist (murderer, torturer and lying mother fucker), and the bigots, xenophobes and damned fools who see that as Making-America-Great-Again want to talk about the sins of the Clintons ... many, if not most of which are made up by the right-wing smear machine.
Oh yeah ... let's play the two wrongs make a right game while the country goes to hell because the low-information knuckle-draggers worship the Devil they put in the White House.
Arpaio actually referred to his jail as a "concentration camp" ... Oh, well, PARDON me for hoping the Fourth Reich doesn't come for my family, after which Trump pardons those who put them in box cars and blames Antifa for trying to stop them.
If some of you aren't scared of what's going on, you aren't paying attention!
So, what have we here?
One bigot-racist pardons another bigot-racist (murderer, torturer and lying mother fucker), and the bigots, xenophobes and damned fools who see that as Making-America-Great-Again want to talk about the sins of the Clintons ... many, if not most of which are made up by the right-wing smear machine . . .
If some of you aren't scared of what's going on, you aren't paying attention!
The other way to look at it is that illegal aliens show their contempt for border laws every day by "jumping the fence." Left-wing, gender confused, doper babies have established sanctuary cities as hideouts for illegal aliens to make it as difficult as possible to deport them. As the doper babies keep their fucking foot in the door, gangs pour into the country along with the rest of the illegals. I'm sick of it. Arpaio may have gone overboard but so have the democrats. If the sanctuary cities and courts can openly undermine immigration law, then Trump can undermine them with pardons.
A valid and separate question none of which justifies rape, torture, inhuman treatment and the pardon thereof.
The children of illegals who came without malice nor knowledge of wrong-doing do not deserve to suffer at the hands of an excuse for a human being ... who gets a free pass from another such excuse.
How disgustingly ironic that we punish law breakers by committing crimes against humanity in the name of making America great again!
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I am with my grandkids now but will answer all in detail tonight.
A valid and separate question none of which justifies rape, torture, inhuman treatment and the pardon thereof.
Whi said anything about rape, torture, and inhuman treatment? Arpaio was convicted of criminal contempt for continuing to racially profile in rounding up illegal aliens.
The children of illegals who came without malice nor knowledge of wrong-doing do not deserve to suffer at the hands of an excuse for a human being ... who gets a free pass from another such excuse.
Again, he wasn't convicted of making anybody "suffer". He was convicted of defying a judge's order. BTW, I'm not responsible for their parents' actions. If they're here illegally, then deport them with their parents.
You need to get up to speed on Arpaio's treatment of prisoners, women who his deputies raped, prisoners who died in his custody because they were denied water and medicine ...
Right wing smear machine?
Left wing smear machine?
What we should be deathly afraid of is that the smear machines are vying for control of our country.
But then again both sides radicals don't need a reason to be fearful.
Just remember that in this country, when push comes to shove, it is the non radical that will do the pushing and shoving.
And when that happens, we generally finish it.....
Hopefully that historical truth gives the opposing smear machines pause....
Mostly agree; will answer in detail tonight all comments related to my own.
Almost forgot … a number of years from now when parts of Texas are almost rebuilt and back to normal (assuming there are no further devastating weather events) … let its citizens THANK THE SHIT-FOR-BRAINS POTUS WHO PULLED AMERICA OUT OF THE PARIS AGREEMENT!
Maybe if I ask you this question I'll get a straight answer.
HOW does an economic agreement, labeled as a climate agreement, the decision to participate in it or not, cause a hurricane in Texas?
Isn't someone famous around here for exclaiming that correlation is NOT causation?
One could just as easily claim that we should thank President Obama for the last hurricane that came ashore cause we (at the time) were agreeable to the agreement....
And we would be just as accurate.
HOW does an economic agreement, labeled as a climate agreement, the decision to participate in it or not, cause a hurricane in Texas?
He told you. Trump is the Devil . . . and is responsible for all the ills in the world.
Trump is the Devil . . . and is responsible for all the ills in the world.
Not Yet ! But relax he has 3 1/2 m ore years.
I'll debate anything with you, but don't put words in my mouth. I was very specific about Trump's devilry.
I'll debate anything with you, but don't put words in my mouth. I was very specific about Trump's devilry.
You said he was the Devil and connected it to a hurricane. To me, unless you explain otherwise, I can conclude as I did (albeit with sarcasm).
How many environmental disasters of record frequency and proportion does it take to call out the devil perpetrators, profiteers and legislative whores who deny the logical scientific empiricism?