“The Second Amendment is clear that Americans have a right to arm themselves for protection,” O’Reilly wrote. “Even the loons."

Sounds like a prescription for self-destruction.

The 2nd.Amendment wasn't written to stop a madman from killing even dozens of citizens. It is there to prevent a madman from killing millions of citizens.

“This is the price of freedom," he continued. "Violent nuts are allowed to roam free until they do damage, no matter how threatening they are."

O’Reilly said his experiences covering gun-related crimes showed him that “government restrictions will not stop psychopaths from harming people” because “they will find a way.”

Nailed it!!

What concerns me is the increasing hatred and violence of the progressive left since Hillary lost.  There comes a time when you just have to grow up

Sure John. The founding fathers had it all wrong. Freedom is over-rated. Much safer to take away all those unnecessary rights. They just get in the way of the liberal agenda anyway.

Is there anyone who does NOT want to ban mentally unstable people from handling firearms?

But where do we draw the line, exactly how unstable do you have to be? Many people have issues during their lives and most get help and get back to normal but if getting help comes with penalties how many people will refuse to get the help they need. It's easy to say don't let crazies have guns but we already do that with criminals and it doesn't seem to have stopped them from getting guns. If this shooter was barred from owning guns do you really think that would have stopped him, he's a murderer so of course he would have bought guns illegally.

Are you actually saying that crazy people  have a right to guns?

I didn't say anything of the sort. I just don't know how much banning them from gun ownership will help since they're not officially crazy till a doctor says so and many will never go see a doctor if they know it means losing their gun rights. Beside who is going to decide who loses their gun rights? The Doctor? If they really want to kill they'll steal a gun or buy one illegally.

if getting help comes with penalties how many people will refuse to get the help they need.

That is what you said. That implies that the crazy be given a consideration that may include owning guns , so as not to dissuade them from getting "the help they need. "

Most people who need and get help are not crazy, they're usually just going through bad crap in their lives and it has taken it's toll but with help they get back to normal and are fine. As far as what you say my words implied the fact is crazy people would still own guns legally if they don't get labeled crazy so they would avoid seeing a doctor if gun ownership was important to them.

"Beside who is going to decide who loses their gun rights? The Doctor?"

That would be if you ignore the 5th. & 14th. Amendments too and the Right of Due Process.

Absolutely. Just ask Hillary and Warren - and Michelle for that matter. When we start letting people decide things for themselves we just end up with a mess - pretty soon the women voters aren't voting for female candidates, liberals aren't voting for liberal candidates - heck, they aren't even supporting the liberal agenda. We can't have that. Much better to simply decide what's best for them and do it.

But where do we draw the line, exactly how unstable do you have to be?

Well, someone who says  "I've thought a lot about blowing up the White House"  SHOULD have been arrested and mentally evaluated but where is Madonna these days??

The same goes for someone holding Trump's severed head!  And where is Kathy Griffin these days?

Are you actually saying that crazy people  have a right to guns?

Well, the liberals dont think its FAIR to institutionalize them.  They should be allowed to roam free like the rest of us OFF their medications!  You cant have your cake and eat it too!

Wel l, the liberals dont think its FAIR to institutionalize them.  

Yeah, that "liberal" Reagan sure was a softie for the mentally ill:

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One of the things that makes it so much fun to come to discussion boards like this is to bear witness to and expose the massive ignorance and dishonesty of rightwingers.  Thanks for allowing me yet another opportunity (so many, so many) to do that. 

We can't have that. Much better to simply decide what's best for them and do it.

Yes, because letting the government make all of your decisions for you is so much easier than thinking for yourself!!  See how that is working out in North Korea?  Venezuela? Cuba?  

One of the things that makes it so much fun to come to discussion boards like this is to bear witness to and expose the massive ignorance and dishonesty of rightwingers.  Thanks for allowing me yet another opportunity (so many, so many) to do that.

Nice try....No Cigar!!  Educate yourself!!

Fifty Years of Failing America's Mentally Ill

On Feb. 5, 1963, 50 years ago this week, President John F. Kennedy addressed Congress on "Mental Illness and Mental Retardation." **He proposed a new program under which the federal government would fund community mental-health centers, or CMHCs, to take the place of state mental hospitals.**  As Kennedy envisioned it, "reliance on the cold mercy of custodial isolations will be supplanted by the open warmth of community concern and capability."

President Kennedy's proposal was historic because the public care of mentally ill individuals had been exclusively a state responsibility for more than a century. * *The federal initiative encouraged the closing of state hospitals and aborted the development of state-funded outpatient clinics in process at that time.**

Over the following 17 years, the feds funded 789 CMHCs with a total of $2.7 billion ($20.3 billion in today's dollars). **During those same years, the number of patients in state mental hospitals fell by three quarters"”to 132,164 from 504,604"”and those beds were closed down.**

**It has now become politically correct to claim that this federal program failed because not enough centers were funded and not enough money was spent. In fact, it failed because it did not provide care for the sickest patients released from the state hospitals. When President Ronald Reagan finally block-granted federal CMHC funds to the states in 1981, he was not killing the program. He was disposing of the corpse.**

Meantime, during the years CMHCs were funded, Medicaid and Medicare were created and modifications were made to the Supplemental Security Income and Social Security Disability Insurance programs. None of these programs was originally intended to become a major federal support for the mentally ill, but all now fill that role. The federal takeover of the mental-illness treatment system was complete.

**Fifty years later, we can see the results of "the open warmth of community concern and capability." Approximately half of the mentally ill individuals discharged from state mental hospitals, many of whom had family support, sought outpatient treatment and have done well. The other half, many of whom lack family support and suffer from the most severe illnesses such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, have done poorly**

**According to multiple studies summarized by the Treatment Advocacy Center, these untreated mentally ill are responsible for 10% of all homicides (and a higher percentage of the mass killings), constitute 20% of jail and prison inmates and at least 30% of the homeless. Severely mentally ill individuals now inundate hospital emergency rooms and have colonized libraries, parks, train stations and other public spaces. The quality of the lives of these individuals mocks the lofty intentions of the founders of the CMHC program.**

Perhaps the most remarkable aspect of this *50-year federal experiment* is its inordinate cost. In 2009, 4.7 million Americans received SSI or SSDI because of mental illnesses, not including mental retardation, a *tenfold increase since 1977.* The total cost was $46 billion. The total Medicaid and Medicare costs for mentally ill individuals in 2005 was more than $60 billion.

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bear witness to and expose the massive ignorance and dishonesty of LWNJ.   Thanks for allowing me yet another opportunity (so many, so many) to do that.

One of the things that makes it so much fun to come to discussion boards like this is to bear witness to and expose the massive ignorance and dishonesty of rightwingers.

Sure sparky - but seeing some lefty ideologue get embarrassed is sooooooo much more entertaining.  Fed just showed you door - can't wait to see if you can catch the nuance.....

I think what they're saying is that a person with possible mental health issues would not go to a doctor if they know that they could lose their rights.

Also yes everyone can make use of their rights until there is a reason to take their rights from them via due process.

Would you go to a doctor after say a divorce, death, change of quality of life, to get help dealing with depression if that doctor says ok you have mental issues so you can't vote ever again?

I bet his tune would change if he or a family member was wounded or killed in an incident like this.  Conservatives lack empathy unless something directly affects them such as their child coming out as gay.

Empathetic - like the CBS legal executive that tweeted she didn't have any sympathy for the dead and dying concert goers in Vegas because C & W fans were almost always conservatives? Or the liberal that asked to make sure he was shooting at conservative congressmen at the DC charity event?

Or are you referring to the antifa goons beating setting fire to Berkley and pouring water on veterans ion wheel chairs?

Wouldn't the world make more sense to you if you were paying attention? or at least if you stopped viewing everything through liberal tinted glasses?

CBS legal executive that tweeted she didn't have any sympathy for the dead and dying concert goers in Vegas because C & W fans were almost always conservatives

CBS fires vice president who said Vegas victims didn't deserve sympathy because country music fans 'often are Republican'

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Lawyers should know, comments have consequences!  Another Hillary turd gets flushed!

Unlike right-wing organizations, left-wingers are held accountable for their words and actions.  That woman was rightfully terminated.

You want to talk about Antifa?  Talk about the Nazi who committed a terrorist attack using the same tactic that ISIS popularized.  A few minor fires and water is no comparison to the death and casualties committed by Nazis, the KKK, and white supremacists in the U.S.

As far as your last point, irrelevant as it is, reality has a liberal bias.

She got fired immediately because that is what a responsible organization does.

Pffffttttt!  the public OUTRAGE got her fired, CBS has no moral compass!  One only has to look at Nora O'Donnell to know that!  What kind of a person says that to the entire world???  Karma is a b!tch and it sure found her fast!  

no comparison to the death and casualties committed by Nazis, the KKK, and white supremacists in the U.S.

Funny that the left donates and supports Planned Parenthood which was started by the ULTIMATE White Supremacist, Margaret Sanger and is responsible for:   TOTAL  ABORTIONS SINCE 1973 : 59,115,995. Based on numbers reported by the Guttmacher Institute  1973 -2014

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant. Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today?

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So WHY does the DNC support Planned Parenthood???

Margaret Sanger
Founder of Planned Parenthood... In Her Own Words

"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." 
Margaret Sanger,  Women and the New Race  
( Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)

She was a RACIST who wanted to wipe out the black race by killing their babies!  And YOU support this???

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born."   Margaret Sanger,  Pivot of Civilization,  referring to immigrants and poor people

On sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, f or the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization.   Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger , by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.

Hillary also held Margaret Sanger in high esteem. Sanger once said that all Blacks needed to be eliminated.

Americas quality of life is beginning to sound like Germanys' Final Solution.  When Hitler came on the scene, they all thought he was the 2nd coming of Christ!  People tried to warn them but they just couldn't see it!  Remember Hegel the German philosopher? (Marxism)   Ever read HilLIARys college thesis that Bill kept hidden ???

The New Ethic from the 1920's before Hitler was even on the scene!  "Whatever solves a problem on a practical level must be considered MORAL!"  Sound Familiar??   (Abortion)

The first to be killed were not the Jews!  They started with anyone who cost the state money!  They were exterminating the aged, the infirmed, the senile and mentally retarded defective children. 

With WWII on the horizon, more "undesirables"  were added...epileptics, amputees  from WWI, gypsies, children with minor deformities....even BEDWETTERS!!! 

It was only later that they went after the Jews, Christians and anyone else who didn't agree with those in power!  I guess nowadays...we would say they were politically INcorrect!

Unlike right-wing organizations, left-wingers are held accountable for their words and actions.

Sure sparky - like Kathy Griffith, Naomi Judd, Madonna, Snoopy Poopy Diggity Doggy when they threatened the life of the POTUS? Like the parade of a** clowns on CNN and MSNBC? Like Nancy "Hamas is a humanitarian organization" Pelosi? Like Debbie Wasserman-Schultze when she threatened a sheriff for doing his job? Like James Comey who admitted under oath he obstructed justice and leaked top secret files? Like hilLIARy whom Comey covered for after admitting she committed the same crimes? Like hilLIARy selling US Uranium mines to Russia while Slick Willie was getting $500K in speaking fees from the same Russians.

Like Mark Zuckerburg selling political advertising space to the Russians as they tried influencing the elections? Like Dingle-Barry himself spending US tax-payer dollars to influence Israel's elections?

And speaking of clowns - remember the rodeo clown in Missouri that was fired for wearing a mask of Obama - yet had worn masks of Reagan, Clinton and both Bushes without riling up anyone? Fair and equitable? Sure sparky.

You mean like the Liberal Nazi that tried killing conservative congressmen in DC? Or the Liberal Nazi thugs that attacked Republican rallies - as admitted by DNC leadership?

I'm not sure what real world events you've been paying attention to - but it hasn't been anything happening in THIS world. In fact - it sounds like you haven't paid attention at all.

Tunnel vision and hypocrisy aren't valid excuses in an adult conversation. Ignoring known facts only damages liberal credibility.....and a pathetic attempt at excusing the well documented violence that defines antifa nullifies any point you were hoping to make.

If you can't admit to truths that everyone else agrees upon then any further attempts at educating you would be a waste of my valuable time. Go bother someone else.

If she had said it about Democrats, FOX would have hired her as Ann Coulter's replacement.

Ann Coulter worked for Fox News ?

Did Glenn Beck get fired for saying Obama hates white people?

Obama DOES hate white people!  Except for George Soros who gave him boatloads of money!!  All of the radical mentors he had combined with sitting in Rev. Wright's racist church have forever destroyed his mind AND his soul.

Glenn Beck wasnt fired!  He LEFT!

Glenn Beck: I Left Fox News Because They Wanted Me to Stop Talking About God

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Did O'Reilly get fired for pushing racist Birtherism?

Bill O’Reilly To Matt Lauer On His Firing From Fox News & Sexual Harassment Claims: “This Was A Hit Job”

O’Reilly was fired after it was revealed that Fox News had settled multiple lawsuits by at least five women who claimed O’Reilly had sexually harassed them during their time at Fox News. O’Reilly denied the charges and repeated his original statement following his firing that he did “absolutely nothing wrong”, adding that “not in 42 years… did I have any interaction with HR or any complaints filed against (me).”

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Michelle Obama slams Birtherism, **endorses the candidate whose campaign started it in 2008.**

Tells you what an idiot Mooshelle is!  Thats why SHE started calling HilLIARy "Hildabeast!"  She HATES her!!!

Well, if you ask HilLIARY....a deplorable superpredator...

How Can Black People Trust Hillary Clinton After the 2008 Campaign?

Painting Obama As Not ‘Fundamentally American’

Throughout the 2008 election season, racist and bigoted smears about Barack Obama circulated online, and bubbled up into mainstream conversation about the campaign in the traditional news media.

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**Two of the most prominent lies about Obama, which persist to this day, were that

**he is secretly a Muslim (playing on fear-mongering and bigotry about Islam), and that

**he was not really born in America.

Both of these ideas paint Obama as “other” and outside the mainstream, drawing their potency from fears about Black people gaining power.

**People generally associate these memes with the right wing.

But the truth is that for the entire Democratic primary,  not only did Hillary Clinton’s campaign do nothing to push back against the racist fear-mongering about Obama, it actually fed this atmosphere and helped it grow.  It was a part of their strategy from early in the campaign.**

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Back in March of 2007, Hillary Clinton’s chief strategist Mark Penn  wrote a campaign memo  that proposed painting Barack Obama as un-American or “other”:

“His roots to basic American values and culture are at best limited.  I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values  ...

Every speech should contain the line you were born in the middle of America to the middle class in the middle of the last century ...  Let’s explicitly own ‘American’ in our programs, the speeches and the values. He doesn’t. “

James Rucker is a civil rights leader, progressive activist, and entrepreneur. He’s co-founder and former director of ColorOfChange.org and Citizen Engagement Laboratory (CEL) and serves on the boards of MoveOn.org, ColorOfChange.org, and the Southern Poverty Law Center.  His views reflect his own perspective, and not that of any of the aforementioned organizations.

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Hillary did the SAME THING to Bernie calling him an Atheist! 

Its a PATTERN!!!

Destroy anyone who tries to stop her!  How DARE anyone try to take the white house from her!  She feels ENTITLED to it!  Its HER turn!  She stepped back and "allowed" the "black man" to go first!

pushing racist Birtherism?

Hillary Clinton Started Birthers - Morning Joe