I Have Good News & Bad News … Some Subjective & Perspective
First … the BAD NEWS
The billions of dollars in health insurance subsidies Trump has taken to "REPEAL & REPLACE" and end Obamacare ... thus opening the era of TRUMPCARE … will …
• Make health insurance unaffordable for millions of Americans currently living at or below poverty levels, meaning …
• They will no longer have Health Insurance coverage, and, many, including children, will die
• Insurance companies, because of the resultant diminished premium base, will either leave certain markets altogether, or ...
• Make up their losses by significantly raising premiums on everyone else, cover fewer items, deny more claims, raise deductibles, or, some/all of the above
• The uninsured will go to ERs, the costs of which will be recovered by raising premiums on everyone who buys health insurance, and/or, on costs to employers who provided health insurance for their employees.
• Some hospitals will close meaning even those with insurance could have difficulties being treated!
Again, that's the bad news.
Now … the GOOD NEWS!
Of the 10 states that will be hurt most by Trump's "REPEAL & REPLACEMENT" of Obamacare, 9 out of the 10 of those states, voted for Trump!
Now, the SUBJECTIVE
According to Donald Trump … Everyone will have "Great, great health care"
And now, the PERSPECTIVE*
* Return to the BAD NEWS portion of the article (see atop the page)
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Trump's "REPLACE & REPEAL" is THE TOPIC … the ONLY TOPIC … stay on it!
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• No off topic comments
• No Obama/Clinton/Ryan/McConnell, etc. … Trump's Executive Order and what may likely result is "on topic" …
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Yeah....the "bad news" bullet points is already happening with Obamacare.
To an extent I certainly agree ... But after what Trump did yesterday, The ACA will shortly look like the good old days.
Trump didn't fix Obamacare ... He broke it all the way.
Trumping the Obamacare legacy -- one uninsured child at a time.
"Repeal Obamacare ... If it's broken, break it some more!"
May be off topic but? After reading your "bad news" section I was reminded of something I read decades ago. That is that during the "great depression" banks failed but not one insurance company went out of business.
The insurance companies are exempt from anti trust laws ... Part of an overall fucking of the middle class.
I think that is the first thing that you posted that was 'subjective'.
Though they may not want to admit it, the GOP don't think that most of the things on your list are 'BAD NEWS'. The fact is, every one of the bills that they've filed would cause the consequences you listed. They WANT it to happen and they care not what the fallout is. They want to take every dime of 'savings' and give the top 10% a tax break. Though the 'savings' won't come close to offsetting the tax breaks they've proposed.
I mostly agree.
Giving the rich a tax break is not true, besides being off topic.
Nope on both.
Please … don't make pronouncements about things with which you are uninformed.
Repealing ObamaCare has always been
about tax cuts for the rich
I think that is the first thing that you posted that was 'subjective'.
And you're likely to think that until the first thing items come to pass …
… at which time I promise not to say "I told you so."
I think you misunderstood my point.
While WE may think that all of those items are "BAD NEWS", the GOP think it's 'GOOD NEWS' and it's what they've wanted all along. That's what I mean by it being subjective...
Fair enough. Subjective from Republican perspective ... Objective based on the likely realities to come.
This is great news I won’t be stuck subsidizing the lazy bums Nancy Pelosi told to quit their jobs because they can stick others with the bill for their healthcare. It returns the burden to the people that purchase healthcare.
Off topic
It's on topic as it pertains to this quote from the article.
"The billions of dollars in health insurance subsidies Trump has taken to "REPEAL & REPLACE" and end Obamacare"
Off rocker too!
Pelosi is off topic.
Off topic … no personal comments, please.
Lol, yes Mac, sorry about that!
I don't see a big surge in the young and healthy running out to buy cheap junk plans. Why would someone want a limited plan that hardly covers anything? Just to say they have insurance? I don't see it happening, it would be a waste. They would be better off saving their money and going without.
The plans with good coverage will be out of reach for a lot of people and the cheaper plans would simply not be worth it.
They aren't rushing out to buy any plans, especially the fatally flawed ACA.
Instead of sounding like Donald Trump, give some specifics.
Specifically, I know many people who don't qualify for subsidies (handouts) but can't afford any ACA plans. Admittedly, my data is anecdotal.
"Why would someone want a limited plan that hardly covers anything?"
Lots of people would prefer to pay less for a catastrophic health plan. Obama made that illegal.
AL was one state that did not do Medicaid extension. Al, also, voted for Trump. If one is not employed....no ACA. This is my State.
Blue Cross-Blue Shield was the ONLY health insurance available in AL under the ACA. They are, also, one of the most expensive to do business with.
Would it help you if we brought 'single prayer' into it?
So, you want to teach people to fish rather than just give them a fish??
Good idea!
Do you mean "government run health insurance"
That's too horrible to contemplate!
I love the part that I bolded, it is such a good thing to bring this phrase into the conversation. Working isn't the problem, we've been steadily improving the job force since Obama's first term in office, what is lacking is a LIVING wage, with a LIVING wage everyone could afford health insurance but, then again we would have to live in a utopian society, wouldn't we.
We agree!
Stop exporting jobs and pay living wages.
Do explain why.
Medicare works well ... dismissing something out of hand with no specifics is indicative of a biased presupposition. That is part of the problem.
Those in bed with the insurance racket like dismissiveness ... It keeps the facts in obscurity.
Those items are one shot deals (Removed, CoC, BT) insurance is something you have to pay for regularly your entire life. If you work at Walmart, you simply can't afford it without some sort of subsidy. A full time job should pay a living wage, period, I will accept nothing less for this great country!
The way my mom and dad did it. But, not today. What can I get for free and how will the federal government support me?
There are some in our wonderful Country who try and try and never know any comfort from the hard work they do everyday. So innocent they were to think that they could marry their special one, have children and live happily ever afterwards.
We will work together they said. But, they didn't know that daycare, after school care would be part of the plan to encumber them into a life of strife.
It is all sad.
Even with Medicare, I pay $300 per month. Some people think Medicare is free.....it is not!
Good idea!
Agreed, provided you don't outsource the lakes, ponds, rivers
It's simple, you wake up in the morning, go to work and take care of your family like the rest of us. Sell your Iphone, don't buy the big screen and get some health insurance. It's not anyone else's responsibility but yours.
Yeah, they do that in India and China where the "work" gets sent.
I refer you to the Jon Conyers Universal Health care proposal. He addresses what would happen with insurance company employees.
I have no problem with "laying off" insurance company CEOs who "earn" many thousand dollars per HOUR plus stock options.
What were the top healthcare CEO salaries last year? - MedCity News
Those items are one shot deals (Removed, context, No CoC. BT),
No personal insults … I'll have to flag that … repost the comment without the name calling.
Is that what they take out of your social security check ? Just curious, the issue is coming up soon for me.
Yes, they take it out of your SS check. If you get an advantage plan, you send a check for the extra. Dad pays an extra 80 dollars a month for his medicare advantage plan.
Mags said;
Amen sister, Amen....
Far too many get pulled down no matter how hard they try....
Life under excessive government is a prison that no one can escape.
Medicare comes out of the SS check and the supplement insurance is paid by you. I have a plan F supplement that makes up the difference in what medicare pays and the actual bill.
My old private plan while more expensive than medicare/supplement was much better coverage.
I use a C-pap and medicare won't cover long term use of one. My heart doctor even tried to get them to cover it but medicare won't. If medicare won't cover the supplement won't either.
I wish we had the Swiss universal and we could cover all at a lower cost and get employers out of the insurance business.
I use a cpap. What aren't they covering for you?
An insult Mac? While I see how it can be taken that way, I like the fish, we both have a sense of humor and a very positive history together. It wasn't meant as an insult, just a humorous jab and I'll bet my Fishy friend takes it that way too. Take a look at our back and forths from today. You aren't wrong, technically, but you don't understand either.
If BF is ok with it … then you two work it out.
Thank you to you, ausmth, Cerenkov and Gunny for the info !
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It won't get any better. I learned how to disinfect the tank, hose and nose pillows. Ebay has replacement parts as well.
Lot's of middle class jobs open in Alabama? Lot's of educated, trained, employable welfare recipients lining up for jobs?
Because the ONLY way to get the vast majority in your state or any other off of 'welfare' is to get them better paying jobs. You see, 75% of those on 'welfare' are from WORKING families. So maybe their 'lazy' kids need to get jobs if they want to eat.
How many people died before the ACA was signed? I assume it was ok then?
Wrong question …
Right question …
How many millions of Americans who had no health care before the ACA … died in an average year of cancer, heart disease, pre-existing conditions?
Everyone who pays taxes pays for medical indigent patients whether it's ACA or the emergency room. You will pay something regardless. The question is , is it cheaper to pay into a healthcare plan for indigents or pay the costs of indigents' emergency room visits ?
There is a simple solution. The subsidy to the insurance companies should go through the regular appropriation process.
I don't like subsidising insurance companies. I don't mind helping individuals but not the insurance companies.
We pretty much agree!
Universal Health insurance … take it off of the employer … improve profit margins … more revenue for the U.S. Treasury from both profits and employee pay increases, consumer spending = more jobs …
I am a fan of the Swiss universal. It still gives market choices and helps the poor with coverage.
I have to read about what has been happening since I haven't in a while yet, I like the Australian system. It is a combination of Medicare for all and private insurance. A mix of public and private hospitals.
Last time I was reading about it, most of them seem happy with it.
American stubbornness I guess.
The frugal Swiss created a system that both Forbes and Krugman endorse. Politicians can't see that far.
Nobody does. It would be brilliant if we could shrink the insurance industry to the size that we could drown it in a bathtub. (Thank you Grover).
Seriously, when the HMO's came to be in the 70's I wondered why medical care needed "management". Before all the HMO's, PPO's and now EPO's people knew how to get their health care needs met. Insurance should be primarily for catastrophic events. Not for every little damn thing. The cost savings to the government and private citizens would be astronomical.
And the loss of revenue to the profit margins of the huge medical corporations would also be huge.
Can't wait for it to happen......
Of course I grew up in an environment where the visiting nurses came around every six months or so and taught basic medical care right in your home, minor emergencies were handled in the Dr office which was right around the corner.
The only reason for hospitals were for major medical emergencies and insurance for major medical catastrophies.
It was still expensive for the average jane/joe back then, but a lot more manageable, and everyone got taken care of.........
Today, you can't get a hangnail taken care of without it costing a fortune......
For sure!
It is cheaper to see a family doctor than the ER though. It would be nice to lower the costs of a good general practitioner visit. Some GPs don't take insurance and make their fee reflect the savings. The system has become too bloated.
I pay out of pocket for routine care and screenings. It's not only cheaper for me in the long run it's great for the doctor's office too.
The US is the richest, strongest, most powerful country; yet, can't take care of their citizen's health care. When are Americans going to wake up a realize we are being screwed by big pharma, banking, and insurance?!
We have a horrendous uninsured population (We place between Mexico and Chile at #33 LINK ).
We don't even place in the top 25 world wide in healthiest countries ( 34th ).
We NEED a revolution or our grandchildren will continue, in an even worse degree, to be serfs to the almighty American economic empire.