Is 'Freedom' Responsible For Recent Random Killings?
Law enforcement has reported today that Sayfullo Saipov, the Uzbek native who plowed down a NYC bikepath killing 8 people, was self-radicalized , possibly by the 90 ISIS videos he had stored on his two cell phones. He also had hundreds of ISIS related still images. One imagines all of these were taken from the internet.
Frankly, it begs the question of just what "religion" has to do with this. Was he radicalized by Islamic doctrine, or was he radicalized by videos "glamorizing" a psychopathic criminal cult?
There has always been a great deal of doubt as to just what ISIS has to do with religion. ISIS soldiers violated many of the tenets of Islam, for example, it is known that many of them used drugs and alcohol. One of the founders of ISIS was a drug and alcohol abuser.
Homegrown terrorists are led down that path from the internet. The freedom of the internet to pass back and forth any information imaginable. Yet , as Americans, we respect personal freedom above all else.
A man went into a store in Colorado and killed three people with a handgun. No apparent reason , other than he is free to own and use a handgun thusly, if he so chooses.
Yet we will excuse the Colorado incident because it occurs when we have a "free" people who are allowed to make even horrific choices, and condemn the NY incident even though it too is the likely result of the same freedoms.
Millions of people have guns they dont really need because it is their "right" , just as it is the NY killers "right" to watch brainwashing terrorist videos.
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We are entering/in an age of random violence. We can thank our freedoms for that.
We can thank not going after the real problem for that. Going after inanimate objects isn't going to stop shootings. Neither is tighter legislation.
Entering ?
Wow....Trumphobia is worse than I thought !
Thanks for nothing. I mean that literally.
Your Welcome.....Literally ?
Now, about this "Just Entering" thing.
Haven't there been random shootings for years?
Tell me of one person that is excusing the killings in Colorado, just one with a link to prove it.
Not excuse him personally. Excuse it as inevitable because of our freedoms.
So wgat are you proposing? Do you want to enter a police state? Do you want to give the authorities a blank check to do what ever they want on nere suspicion and speculation? Will things like Colorado and even New York happen again? Yeah probably but it is better than living in the police stste you are proposing.
I dont know, maybe stop blaming a religion for actions that are caused by the freedom to access brainwashing videos. A friend of the NYC killer says he was depressed because of financial and job setbacks and that is when he got "into" ISIS through the videos.
Come in the only religion you dontblame for anything is radical Islam.
Before you go off and say I am against all if Islam be sure to notice that I did say Radical Islam. Tgere is a difference.
There has always been a great deal of doubt as to just what ISIS has to do with religion.
Maybe it's the other way around. Having the capacity to believe in eternal life upon death is a central tenet to most all organized religions. If you have this, unlike atheists, then your sense of reality dictates that your time on earth is nothing compared to your future eternal existence. It can minimize your sense of responsibility, empathy, and the consequences of your actions here on earth. If you can be convinced that life is ultimately eternal, then you are convinced that life in the present is just a small stepping stone to paradise. In terms of radicalization, you're already half way there.
Plenty of Christians have martyred themselves throughout history, just as we see Islamists doing today. An atheist could never get to that point. Not saying that it's impossible for an atheist to want be killed in the act of murdering other people, as mental health issues equally impact all types - just saying that by definition they are not doing it to better their position in an afterlife.
In Christianity martyrs are typically thought of as victims, like Christians being thrown to the lions, or being killed for not renouncing their faith, or being killed by Muslims because of their faith. We don't normally think of Crusaders who died on the battlefield trying to kill or convert another religion as Martyrs. Maybe a thousand years ago but not now, not by anyone I know of. Islam still does though and not just Radical Islam and that's the problem. I don't believe this latest guy was Radicalized or doing it for ISSI. I think he was depressed and suicidal and his religion (Islam) gives him not only a free pass if he takes some "none-believers" out while committing suicide but it rewards him in the afterlife. This is not Radical Islam, they teach this crap to every little Muslim Kid the way Christians teach their kids the story of Noah's Ark. Christians think Suicide is bad and so do Muslims unless you kill a bunch of Christians at the same time and then it's a wonderful thing and you are a Martyr and you bring honor to your family and will be rewarded by Allah.
Maybe it is because the word Islam is in their name? You know Islamic State? Maybe it is because they state that they are out to make islam everyones religion or kill them. Maybe it is because the claim to do everything in the name of Allah?
As far as them using drugs and alcohol, they are supposedly human too and are subject human weakness.
Here are 10 fundamental Islamic edicts ISIS has violated
1) It is obligatory to consider Yazidis as People of the Scripture.
2) It is forbidden in Islam to deny women their rights.
3) It is forbidden in Islam to force people to convert.
4) It is forbidden in Islam to disfigure the dead.
5) It is forbidden in Islam to destroy the graves and shrines of Prophets and Companions.
6) It is forbidden in Islam to harm or mistreat Christians or any "People of the Scripture."
7) Jihad in Islam is a purely defensive struggle. It is not permissible without the right cause, the right purpose, and the right rules of conduct.
8) It is forbidden in Islam to kill emissaries, ambassadors, and diplomats — hence it is forbidden to kill journalists and aid workers.
9) Loyalty to one’s nation is permissible in Islam.
10) It is forbidden in Islam to declare a Caliphate without consensus from all Muslims.
Interesting list, John.
The PLO and Hamas violate at least 4 of those 10, and yet you put them on an even keel with the democracy that they have been harassing for the last 50 years.
That no Muslims adhere to. The only Muslims who quote these edicts are Islamic Public Relations Representatives who are trying to convince the west that Islam is the religion of peace. it's Bullspit.
You can cite these?
I fuess that is why women in Islamic ciuntries can wear whatever clothing they like. The can leave their homes withiut male supervision. That myst be way they must have 4 men testify fir them when they are raped. Myst be why women are prosecuted for adultry when they are raped.
Wow! They reallt uphold womens rights.