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Dems Wage Ugly Gun Grab Over Bodies of Dead Children

  

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Via:  cornhusker4palin  •  9 years ago  •  143 comments

Dems Wage Ugly Gun Grab Over Bodies of Dead Children

It did not take the Mainstream Media long to form their narrative on the Texas Baptist church massacre.

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Within minutes, they were clamoring about gun control.

"Gotta get the guns," the Democrats screamed.

Hollywood dutifully jumped on the bandwagon. Failed comedian Chelsea Handler literally blamed the Republican.

Josh Groban, the famed elevator music singer, accused Second Amendment supporters of protecting murderers.

Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT) delivered the most egregious attack -- accusing his congressional colleagues of being cowards.

“As my colleagues go to sleep tonight, they need to think about whether the political support of the gun industry is worth the blood that flows endlessly onto the floors of American churches, elementary schools, movie theaters, and city streets," he said. "Ask yourself – how can you claim that you respect human life while choosing fealty to weapons-makers over support for measures favored by the vast majority of your constituents."

It's not just a false narrative -- it's a downright lie - an ugly lie.

"This is neither the time nor the place to be talking about politics, but this falsehood needs to be nipped in the bud.

Let's be clear about what happened in Sutherland Springs, Texas -- a law-abiding man with a gun stopped a bad man with a gun.

There are also reports the bad man did not have a gun permit -- so that tells us all the laws in the world would not have stopped the massacre.

In truth - the anti-gun crowd doesn't care about the victims. They don't care about the survivors. They don't care about the parents who lost their children.

People like Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Rep. Nancy Pelosi just want to try and score cheap political points over the bodies of dead children.

It's callous. It's cruel. And it's flat-out unAmerican.

UPDATES:

2:05pm – Donna Brazile's scathing review of Hillary Clinton’s failed 2016 presidential campaign sent more shock waves this weekend through the Democratic Party, with members eager to bury the Clinton era ahead of Tuesday’s key Virginia governor’s race and other upcoming elections. “Those telling me to shut up … I tell them, 'Go to hell.' I’m gonna tell my story,” Brazile, who ran the Democratic National Committee during the 2016 White House race, on Sunday told ABC’s “This Week.” Brazile roiled the political world on Thursday when she published excerpts in Politico of her upcoming book that detailed a 2015 money deal between the Clinton campaign and the DNC that made winning the party’s presidential nomination nearly impossible for any other Democratic candidate. NBC News published a memorandum Saturday detailing the joint-fundraising agreement that shows the Clinton camp would have input on such key DNC decisions as hiring and spending, in exchange for helping the group with its roughly $20 million debt.  

1:05pm- Our next guest said on Sunday that mass shootings can be prevented if more people carry concealed guns. “If somebody's willing to kill someone they're also going to be willing to violate a gun law. In Texas at least we have the opportunity to have concealed carry,” 1:10pmET Guest: Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton

1:30pm- Guest: Max Lucado is a San Antonio pastor and best-selling author. His latest book is "Anxious for Nothing: Finding Calm in a Chaotic World" (Thomas Nelson, September 2017). Visit his website at www.MaxLucado.com. Follow him on Twitter @MaxLucado.

THE FIRST HOUR OF THE TODD STARNES SHOW:

12:05pm- Horror In Texas! At least eight members of the same family were among the 26 people killed Sunday when a man armed with a rifle burst into the sanctuary of a church in Texas and started firing. The mass shooting left about 20 others wounded at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, about 30 miles east of San Antonio. The massacre killed about 4% of the small town's population. And no one at the church was left unscathed, Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackitt said. "I think nearly everyone had some type of injury," the sheriff told reporters Monday. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott called the slaughter "the largest mass shooting" in the state's history. But it's still unclear what motivated the killer.

12:20pm- Todd sorts through the left’s response to the shooting…Question: Are the Republicans to blame for this as the left is saying? 888-788-9910

12:30pm- Guest: Dr. Jim Richards, executive director Southern Baptists of Texas     https://www.toddstarnes.com/column/live-blog-todd-starnes-show-nov-6


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LynneA
Freshman Silent
2  LynneA    9 years ago

This column is as disgusting as others we've read here of late.  

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3  devangelical    9 years ago

I'll be grabbing my gun when the wall of separation in the 1st amendment is breached with any unconstitutional theocratic legislation.

 
 
 
ausmth
Freshman Silent
4  ausmth    9 years ago

This points out the vulnerability of background checks.  The Air Force failed to put his conviction into the NICS system as they are required.  That is why he could pass the background checks.

There is legislation that could have prevented this though.  California has it now.  It's called the gun restraining order.  It is a mechanism that will make authorities aware of problem people like this guy so they can remove the guns and temporarily place them on the prohibited list until the court can adjudicate them.  There is due process protection in the law as well as penalties for false reporting.  See something and say something!

What will end up happening is that dems will go into full gun control mode claiming "common sense" gun laws and never say what they are.

The real need is to strengthen the mental health system.  The notion that the small number of the mentally ill that do show violence can be treated in the "least restrictive environment" is killing us.  That small portion of the mentally ill must be hospitalized until they are no longer a threat.  That movement began in mental healthcare circles in the late 1940's.  Coupled with ACLU backed challenges that ended at SCOTUS created this "least restrictive environment problem we have now.

Before some Reagan hater claims the debunked "Reagan emptied the mental hospitals" lie they need to do the research into what really happened. 

 
 
 
Bluestride
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4.1  Bluestride  replied to  ausmth @4    9 years ago
The notion that the small number of the mentally ill that do show violence can be treated in the "least restrictive environment" is killing us.

More than you know. When I was a LEO I was a certified Crisis Intervention officer. I responded regularly to calls where someone was thinking about or trying to commit suicide or more often persons with a mental health crisis. The vast majority of the mentally ill persons (they call themselves "consumers") were under some level of "least restrictive environment" care. Many of these people were regulars. You know why? Because once they were diagnosed and placed on medication they were cut loose with a supply of said medication. Invariably they would have a crisis because one of these reasons. Either they ran out of the medications and did not bother to get more or more often they would simply stop taking the medications often because they did not like how the medications made them feel or simply thought they no longer needed the medications because they felt fine.  By the time the police were called they had very often crossed the threshold of being a danger to themselves or others and we would take them to the local hospital for an evaluation to determine if they qualified for a mandatory evaluation. Eventually they would be released with their medications again and the cycle would start all over again. I was on a first name basis  with many of the consumers and in their more lucid/medicated moments they would thank me for helping them.

There has to be a better way.

 
 
 
ausmth
Freshman Silent
4.1.1  ausmth  replied to  Bluestride @4.1    9 years ago
There has to be a better way.

Great insight!

There is a better way but there will be many in the mental health industry that will oppose it.  We need expansion of mental hospitals to break the revolving door that has been created by the "least restrictive environment" movement.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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4.1.2  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  ausmth @4.1.1    9 years ago
We need expansion of mental hospitals to break the revolving door that has been created by the "least restrictive environment" movement.

I agree that would help, But we also don't want to incarcerate millions of people who can and do function well when they do take their meds. Incarceration of anyone is expensive and many times cruel. 

Not a simple problem... not going to be a simple solution.

Once again this is why we need to research who we hire as politicians to solve these problems. 

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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4.1.4  JaneDoe  replied to  Bluestride @4.1    9 years ago

I have a friend and their son lives in another state. He went through a bad break up and called his poor Mother threatening suicide. being over 1000 miles away she didn't know what to do and called in a wellness check on him when he stopped answering his phone etc... They ended up taking him to a mental health facility where he spent a few nights. He was required to see a physiatrist and was diagnosed with Bi polar.

He accepted that and wanted to follow through with all the recommendations that were given to him. He has a good job and decent health insurance that will cover all his prescriptions but it will not cover his physiatrist or counselor. Being a young man just starting out on his own that was a financial burden that he couldn't handle on his own. Of course his parents are helping him pay for what he needs but sadly not everyone has that type of support.

So if one can't afford to pay the physiatrist one can't receive a prescription for the medicine that they need. I really don't know what the answer is but it would be very helpful if his health insurance would help cover health issues of the mind as well as the body.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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4.1.6  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.5    9 years ago

Not all physiatrists should be psychiatrists . Many don't know shit, But think they know it all.

Yes shop around the good ones are sprinkled in. Although they are also in demand and usually busy.

However a good physiatrist can sometimes save a persons future. I've seen it.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
Sophomore Silent
4.1.7  JaneDoe  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.5    9 years ago

Thanks for the information. I will definitely pass that along to her. 

 
 
 
JaneDoe
Sophomore Silent
4.1.10  JaneDoe  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.9    9 years ago

Will do!

From what I hear he is doing much better and has those emotional highs and lows better under control. 

 
 
 
ausmth
Freshman Silent
4.1.11  ausmth  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @4.1.2    9 years ago
when they do take their meds

That puts the safety of us all dependent on a crazy person taking their meds.  Violence is the key. Hospitalization for the violent.  Least restrictive environment for the rest.

 
 
 
Bluestride
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4.1.12  Bluestride  replied to  ausmth @4.1.1    9 years ago

I would be remiss if I did not point out that the vast majority of my regulars were more a threat to themselves than anyone else but, all it takes is one.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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6  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu     9 years ago

Every time

Every Time there is a mass shooting the battle cries begin anew.

Take away the guns.... VS ..... arm everyone

Man this is getting old !

Maybe it's time to see if there is a middle road.

 
 
 
ausmth
Freshman Silent
6.2  ausmth  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @6    9 years ago
Maybe it's time to see if there is a middle road.

There is a middle road.  Target the problem people.  One of the things that comes out after these shootings is that people knew the shooter was a problem.  Give people a way to help solve the problem before the situation escalates to violence.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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6.2.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  ausmth @6.2    9 years ago
Give people a way to help solve the problem before the situation escalates to violence.

I agree.... But, Like what ? 

We sure as Hell don't want to turn America into a nanny state with everyone reporting on everyone to  the damn government.

The only thing I've been able to think of is trying to get more people into a mental health system that need it.

That seems to be the one thing in common for every mass shooting... mental illness.

That and usually a gun. IMO Guns are never going to hold the answer in America. Next....

Take em away...  arm everyone... NOT AN ANSWER !

So lets move on. 

 
 
 
ausmth
Freshman Silent
6.2.2  ausmth  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @6.2.1    9 years ago
I agree.... But, Like what ?

California's gun restraining order law has potential.  As the system is now unless a person has been adjudicated into a prohibited class they can legally purchase a gun.  This law targets problem individuals which is where our focus needs to be.

 
 
 
ausmth
Freshman Silent
6.2.4  ausmth  replied to  XDm9mm @6.2.3    9 years ago

It can be tweaked to enhance due process.  It does have promise though.

 
 
 
Jim Smith
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8  Jim Smith    9 years ago

America. The land of gun care and health control.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
8.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Jim Smith @8    9 years ago
The land of gun care and health control.

and both are garbage.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
8.1.1  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.1    9 years ago
The land of gun care and health control.  and both are garbage.

you are free to leave anytime... perhaps the EU is more your cup O tea?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
8.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @8.1.1    9 years ago

Did.  Spent 7 years in Europe, 3 in Afghanistan, 1 in Iraq all with the US Military.  And compared to ALL those, the way we handle the issues of fire arms and health care is a joke.  In some countries in Europe, virtually every household has fire arms.  And no where near the violence we have in the US.  In fact Chicago, with the most restrictive legislation when it comes to firearms, ALONE has a higher murder rate than these countries.  

When looking at the healthcare of other countries, https://thenewstalkers.com/community/discussion/35808/When%20looking at the healthcare of other countries, the US is dead last in the quality of healthcare and the cost."> the US is dead last in the quality of healthcare and the cost . Health Care Health Care

Health Care

But you keep on with the we are the best fantasy.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
8.1.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  XDm9mm @8.1.3    9 years ago

But, you have free health care correct?

"Free" healthcare?  You're joking right?  As long as I pay my inflated premiums I have health care.  If I stop paying the inflated premiums, I'm fined for more than what the premium was.  

What healthcare I get now I get because of 26 years pushing my body far beyond what 99% of the country do.  20 years jumping from planes, 7 deployments (culminating in 7 land mine detonations, 22 IED's (roadside bombs) and living in austere conditions that would make Sheriff Apairo's tent city look like paradise.  And that healthcare is riddled with problems due to the political partisan hacks in Washington D.C..

Now when it comes to control of fire arms.  Even the most restrictive legislation won't fix the problem.  That's why I mention Chicago.  They have the most restrictive "gun control" legislation in the country.  Yet they have a murder rate that is much higher than even Afghanistan.  What passes as "gun control" legislation doesn't fix the problem.  Looking at the failure of it in Chicago should be a clear indication.  The gun is an inanimate object.  It needs somebody to move it, to hold it and manipulate it so that it works.  So the problem isn't the gun.  The real problem is us, the people.  I've seen reports that even this most recent shooting in Texas, people were saying that they knew there was a problem, but they did nothing about it.  I've seen some of the same thing about the Arura Colorado shooting, Columbine, the Las Vegas shooing and the Charleston, SC church shooting.  People knew something was wrong, but did NOTHING.

 
 
 
Explorerdog
Freshman Silent
8.1.11  Explorerdog  replied to    9 years ago

I don't have Sweden's actual tax rate so I won't counter that, but one thing I do know is that they refuse to even consider changing and that says a great deal. Same for the neighbor countries, I have Norwegian friends and they wouldn't swap systems for nothing.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
8.1.42  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  XDm9mm @8.1.20    9 years ago
Tricare which is very heavily subsidized and rightly so.

TRICARE is almost as much of a train wreck as the VA system. Good luck finding a specialty doctor away from a military installation that knows what it is.  The referral process is impossible, billing is infrequent at best, and I think I could get better customer service from ISIS.

(on a side note, it's a Hillary Clinton and  Lindsey Graham clusterfuck imposed on us when Teflon Bill was in office.  It did away with a good program and gave us garbage).  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
8.1.45  Bob Nelson  replied to    9 years ago

After redistribution, the median family revenue in France is higher than in America. 

American revenue goes primarily to the already-rich, so the average goes up but the median does not. 

Trickle-down! 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
8.1.48  Bob Nelson  replied to    9 years ago

You're funny. You compare median and average, ignoring that little "after redistribution" thingus...

You're funny! 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
8.1.50  Bob Nelson  replied to    9 years ago

Do you really imagine I'm going to waste my time on you? 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
8.1.54  Bob Nelson  replied to    9 years ago

You're FUNNY! 

You don't seem to understand the word "redistribution", and you think random photos signify.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
8.1.55  Bob Nelson  replied to    9 years ago

Happy to oblige... 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
8.1.56  Bob Nelson  replied to  Release The Kraken @8.1.30    9 years ago

Americans have the lowest life expectancy in the developed world. End of story. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
8.1.58  Bob Nelson  replied to  Release The Kraken @8.1.57    9 years ago

Mass murder is such a great subject for humor! 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
8.1.60  Bob Nelson  replied to  Bob Nelson @8.1.58    9 years ago

The subject is mass murder. That is the only reason for mass-murder-rifles to exist. Your article complains that somebody wants to take your mass-murder-rifles away from you, and that's a terrible thing because everyone should have mass-murder-rifles... preferably several of them. 

See? On topic. Mass-murder-rifles ! 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
8.1.64  Bob Nelson  replied to    9 years ago

Why go elsewhere for horror stories? The GOP is dedicated to redistribution from the bottom and middle to the top. If the only money available id health-care then the GOP will take that, and people can simply die.

That's happening right here in America.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
8.1.65  Bob Nelson  replied to    9 years ago

We have the freedom to eat, drink and smoke ourselves into an early grave

You're funny!

the EU which regulates and taxes almost every type of behavior

Hilarious, in fact!!

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
8.1.70  Sparty On  replied to  XDm9mm @8.1.68    9 years ago

No worries, he (if it is a he) won't be here long with that attitude.   Already got one insult warning that i know of and i know i didn't report it.  

Mods are on top of this site.   Much to the former NV mafia's consternation.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Participates
8.1.71  It Is ME  replied to  Bob Nelson @8.1.64    9 years ago
That's happening right here in America.

Why does it KEEP happening when Liberals are in charge of politics too ?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
8.1.76  Bob Nelson  replied to  It Is ME @8.1.71    9 years ago

It doesn't keep happening. The last Democratic President made the biggest step forward in decades for the general population (health care), and made the wealthy pay for it.

That's why the ultra-rich hate Obama. Now the GOP is attempting to reverse field: repeal Obamacare and lower taxes on the rich.

The two sides are very, very different. 

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Silent
8.1.78  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Bob Nelson @8.1.76    9 years ago

Good I support the Gop’s effort to repeal Obamacare and stop the theft and redistribution. Yes that disgusting tactic of vote buying Obama used is a great reason to hate him. It’s time to fight these thieves and take control of the rewards from our productivity. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
8.1.82  Bob Nelson  replied to  Release The Kraken @8.1.77    9 years ago

Now, now, Dear... 

Stay calm. Your blood pressure, you know!

I apologize for mentioning the O-person. I know how that upsets you. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
8.1.83  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dean Moriarty @8.1.78    9 years ago

Don't worry, Dean. I love you, too. 

Not as much as I love Bf, of course... but still, I have you in my heart. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
8.1.84  Bob Nelson  replied to    9 years ago

But I don't love you! 

Even if you are funny... 

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Participates
8.1.85  It Is ME  replied to  Bob Nelson @8.1.76    9 years ago
It doesn't keep happening. The last Democratic President made the biggest step forward in decades for the general population (health care), and made the wealthy pay for it.

It does keep happeining.

By the Way, I'm NOT wealthy, but gosh darn it, I'm paying anyway ! stunned

 
 
 
Iamak47
Freshman Silent
10  Iamak47    9 years ago

There was a brief moment of clarity about guns in the media after the Las Vegas shooting.  The use of "Military Style Weapons" and "Weapons of War" actually decreased and they began to report the facts to the masses.  They correctly referred to AR's as semi-automatics, one trigger pull per discharge and differentiating between full auto and semi auto.  It seemed as though the media finally committed itself to reporting the facts about guns instead of being willfully ignorant or purposely deceitful.

After this shooting in Texas, it seems they're back to ignorant and deceitful.  

How can we have a constructive dialogue about guns when one side absolutely refuses to acknowledge the facts?

 
 
 
Jim Smith
Freshman Silent
11  Jim Smith    9 years ago

Dems wage ugly gun grab over bodies of dead chilldren? So the flip side to that hyperbolic statement by Mr. Starnes is what? Reps wage beautiful gun worship over bodies of dead children? I don't see anything changing, not this time or the next one to come.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
12  Bob Nelson    9 years ago

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