Chapter Two: When the Party's Almost Over … The Beginning of the End
Many months ago, I began writing about what I considered then, and, consider now, to be among the likely scenarios of a TRUMP presidency that will end poorly … and prematurely.
About a week ago, without mentioning Trump, I wrote about how certain logistical phenomena can end a political term/career … the headline …
"When the Party's Almost Over"
In related comments, some in that article and some in other threads around the board, I wrote … (paraphrasing) …
• With the Mueller Investigation, we are now, NOT at the "beginning of the end … rather, at the "end of the beginning."
After yesterday's losses for Republicans in Virginia, New Jersey, Washington State and Maine (a referendum to extend Medicaid), in my opinion, WE ARE NOW AT THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY!
Winning a Gubernatorial election by a Democrat in an an "off year" with a Republican in the White House, is a politically common event … but FLIPPING 17 SEATS IN A HOUSE OF STATE DELEGATES to turn it from "R" to "D" … is THE HANDWRITING ON THE WALL!
So, from me, another SPECULATION …
The Republican-controlled Congress, now seeing Donald Trump as its political Albatross, will move its metaphorical ass out of the way of the Mueller Investigation, and, likely, begin alluding to what seems to be mounting evidence against the Trump campaign, his associates and his presidency … and use it in a fake display of patriotic altruism to …
DO THE RIGHT THING (ALBEIT) FOR THE WRONG REASON … that is …
• Bring Articles of Impeachment against Trump, or …
• Convince Trump to resign (in disgrace) a la Richard Nixon before he is impeached, dismissed or criminally indicted.
Because today, IMO, the Party IS almost over.
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Trump isn't going to resign (too much money that he can still make even without Congress) and they aren't going to impeach (Ryan still has to get his agenda out and the evangelicals are waiting for Ginsburg to retire) .....we have him for at least 3 more years
The Tax "reform" bill will not pass into law as it, like the repeal of Obamacare, is part of what resulted in yesterday's repudiation of Republicans by middle class voters.
Ryan will likely lose his seat in Wisconsin in 2018, the U.S. Senate and a number of Gubernatorial positions will go Democrat, and, if Ginsburg has not retired at that juncture, no radical-right justice nominee will be confirmed.
Speculative on my part -- no question -- but I'll stand by it.
The flip of seats in the VA house of delegates is very important and telling. In a exit poll 39% of the voters said that health care was the most important issue for them.
Seems that it was in Maine as well.
What 17 seats are you referring to? Where did you get this info?
In the last couple months there has been a dramatic increase in demands for "links" on NT. Is it a coincidence of something? I sort of expect people who want to discuss on a news forum have been following the news being discussed. The Democrats gained the seats in yesterday's Virginia elections. The details are available on any news site.
Do we need a link for everything we say? I want to get paid in that case.
No you don't need a link for everything. I didn't ask for everything now did I? I can't find where 17 seats where flipped in VA. Did he mean VA or other states combined? Is it too difficult to just add a link?
I've noticed a lot of newly arrived leftwingers simply make things up now. They fabricate arguments based entirely on fictional facts they simply can't support. It used to the provenance of a few posters here to simply make up facts, now the site's been overrun with posters who simply make things up. It's not about opinions, or interpretations of facts, people are literally just making up facts to support their position.
I've noticed a lot of newly arrived leftwingers simply make things up now. They fabricate arguments based entirely on fictional facts they simply can't support. It used to the provenance of a few posters here to simply make up facts, now the site's been overrun with posters who simply make things up. It's not about opinions, or interpretations of facts, people are literally just making up facts to support their position.
CITATION with specifics, please … WITH SPECIFICS!
This is not only off-topic, it's ironically, a caricature of itself!
I have posted a carefully constructed, (admittedly) editorial comment for discussion and you come with an UNSPECIFIED BLANKET INDICTMENT.
Your comment will stand, however… as it exemplifies the very phenomenon it castigates and that which fails to promote good debate.
What 17 seats are you referring to? Where did you get this info?
I referring to the Virginia House of Delegates elections … I know that 15 seats are confirmed as has having flipped from "R" to "D" … there were 5 others unconfirmed but I thought I heard early this morning that the 17 number was attained.
I will check that again … but 17 gives the "R's" and "D's" a tie with the Democrat Lt. Governor getting the tie-breaking vote.
ON ANOTHER NOTE … In spite of Trump's efforts to sabotage Obamacare … THERE HAS BEEN A RECORD NEW ENROLLMENT!
Record level of sign-ups for Obamacare plans reported despite Trump administration opposition
Published 12:13 PM ET Tue, 7 Nov 2017
thank you!
It looks like only 14 confirmed..hardly the ending of a party anyways.
Democrats lost over a 1000 nationwide in 2016
now that's a party pooper
NPR is reporting that the House of Delegates is currently tied, but there are at least two contested races which will likely go for the Dems.
nothing...because the party is not almost over and nothing is ending for Trump.
if you look at the elections results for 2017 map compared to the elections result for the 2013 map they look almost identical.
Democrats where just pushing for a higher turnout.
Hillary won the state in 2016, but she did not win the nation with the electoral college.
This election is not a turning point for the demise of the Republican party, although the press would like one to believe it is.
Even a tie give Dems control as the Lt. Governor, a Democrat votes to break ties.
This election is not a turning point for the demise of the Republican party, although the press would like one to believe it is.
As do those who now whistle past the grave yard.
But, we shall see.
Election Results: Virginia
The Virginia House of Delegates has been under Republican majority control since 1999 .
It started the night looking like this;
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Presently the count looks to be ;
Before Trump 80% of world leaders had faith in our leadership.
After Trump 13% of world leaders have faith in our leadership...
Think on that. How does it make you feel? It shouldn't be good.
Well I guess when the "f" things uo they won't come crying to us to fix it for the like we had to di twice in the last century.
Are you one of those people who are so proud to describe themselves as "the deplorables"? Just asking.
Please keep it civil everyone.
Hillary calling people deplorable is kind of like Manson calling people evil.
Do explain that analogy … is it quantitative, qualitative … in the event you actually try to post an explanation … to make it somewhat logical and valid, post only examples of verified, that is, NOT ALREADY DEBUNKED , "deplorable" acts perpetrated by Clinton.
Manson is a convicted murderer, so, logically, his level of perpetrated "evil" would only include acts of equal levels of deplorability …
I have consistently posted contrary information to the many false allegations against the Clintons … and not surprisingly, I never receive acknowledgements from those who have willingly accepted the lies that have made her the "evil" face representing all liberals.
Historically, the tactic of scapegoating is well-known …
Scapegoating (from the verb "to scapegoat ") is the practice of singling out any party for unmerited negative treatment or blame as a scapegoat . [1]
Scapegoating may be conducted by individuals against individuals, individuals against groups, groups against individuals, and groups against groups.
A scapegoat may be an adult, child, sibling, employee, peer, ethnic, political or religious group, or country.
Orwell's "1984," is possibly the best known literary representation of scapegoating.
I found Hillary Clinton to be a poor choice of candidates for POTUS, and, I am aware of her actual flaws and lies (which I will post if requested … but along with the lies (with times and dates) of Donald Trump.
While Clinton is off-topic, I will allow the one that precipitated this response to stand … but that's it … any others like the one quoted above in blue … or similarly off-topic … will be deemed in violation of the RED BOX RULES .
perhaps they should take care of their own countries before casting doubt on ours.
If my choice is to be one of the "deplorables" or to be one of those in your group I will choose the deplorable group. I have standards and they don't go low enough to join your side.
We know what your standards are, you support someone who has publicly lied 2000 times in this one year.
That may be but my standards and values are still higher than yours.
I've said for the entire presidency that it would be the most interesting two year presidency of all time.
Yep everyone is reveling is a minor showing in a minor off year election......
Turning one statehouse in a predominantly heavy purple state because the Governor ran one of the most divisive campaigns ever seen by a republican is not a landslide shift in political swing.... Especially when most of the Democrat Virginia money went to turn out the vote......
Even with that push a 5-4 victory is not particularly impressive. Neither is the flipping of the legislature.....
Everyone pulled the blue lever for party line.....
Here in Washington, the republican had a one vote majority in the state senate, they lost that seat to a well funded liberal candidate, in a district that usually is Democrat anyway.
You all are getting lightheaded over a typical off year election...... Congratulations I guess are in order so CONGRATULATIONS!
Just please don't make more of it than it actually is.... (even though I know the emotions that are playing out right now, that last year you all took the defeats of all defeats, the most prepared candidate of all time losing to an utter fool)
I'll accept your evaluation on its face … but disagree on its apparent implication that it is an outlier rather than a trend brought on by divisive, bigoted rhetoric and an agenda rife with components that will hurt the very demographics it purports it will help.
I will be the first to admit that my position is based largely on personal experiences in running political campaigns and personally defeating those who were once-popular incumbents …
Knowing your personal political background is likely the equal of mine, I respect your assessment while still holding with the contention of my article.
This is what makes for good debate … clear disagreement without personal acrimony.
Absolutely Brother, that is what makes it fun for me....
and an update,
It was just reported on the radio that the claims of flipping the WA state senate might be premature, they are only separated by 50 votes according to the SOS's last vote count dump..... The Republican seems to be making a comeback.....
No matter how disastrous Trump's stewardship may be, he cannot be removed from office unless the GOP participates actively... and seeing how spineless the party has been, that's not going to happen.
I think it's a form of paralysis. McConnell and Ryan have always been "opposition". They don't know how to govern. Their "policies" are slogans with no substance... and now they are terrified that everyone is (finally!) catching on. They have no solution to their quandary, so they do nothing.
I cannot see them impeaching Trump.
VA won't be the bellwether the dems think it will be. It is heavily dem in the population centers and will continue to be. VA is still a blue dot state. Large population centers full of government employees and the rest of the state red.
The best thing for a Trump presidency is for the dems to try to impeach. That worked out so well for reps when they tried it on Bill and will again. Nothing motivates the base like an attempt to remove a party's president.