Not so long ago, mere mention of the deliberate murder of whites in South Africa—country folk and commercial farmers, in particular—was called “racist.” “Raaacist!” the media collective brayed when candidate Trump retweeted a related “white genocide” hashtag.
It’s still “racist” to suggest that the butchering of these whites, almost daily, in ways that beggar belief, is racially motivated. Positively scandalous is it to describe the ultimate goal of a killing spree, now in its third decade, thus: the ethnic cleansing of white, farming South Africa from land the community has cultivated since the 1600s.
Be thankful for small mercies: At least the international media monopoly is finally reporting facts, such as that just the other day Andre and Lydia Saaiman, aged 70, were hacked to death in Port Elizabeth. (Imagine being chopped up until you expire.)
Or, that the elderly Bokkie Potgieter was dealt a similar fate as he tended his small, KwaZulu-Natal holding. Potgeiter was butchered during the October “Black Monday” protest , which was a nation-wide demonstration to end the carnage. Internationally reported as well were the facts of Sue Howarth’s death. The 64-year-old pharmaceutical executive was tortured for hours with … a blowtorch .
This black-on-white murder spree has been ongoing since a dominant-party political dispensation (mobocracy) was negotiated in my homeland for South Africans. (Learn about “ The American Architects of The South-African Catastrophe. “) But while the criminal evidence is at last out in the open, the motive for these hate crimes is only mumbled about for fear of offending the offenders.
In South Africa we find a criminal class, born into freedom after 1994, that burns with white-hot hatred for whites.
Why?
The South African state’s stout indifference to the plight of whites does not exist in a void. Witness the steady, anti-white venom the dominant-party cobra-head, the ANC, spits out. “The de facto situation is that whites are under criminal siege explicitly because of their race,” writes a South African historian, cited in “ Into the Cannibal’s Pot: Lessons for America from Post-Apartheid South Africa ” (2011).
“The black criminal collective consciousness understands whites are now historical fair game.”
The physical, existential vulnerability of white South Africans flows from a confluence of historical antecedents that have placed them in a uniquely precarious position. “The white minority surrendered political dominance in return for non-racial constitutional safeguards.” By forswearing control over the state apparatus, whites ceded mastery over their destiny, vesting their existential survival in a political dispensation: a liberal democracy.
In a needlessly optimistic assumption, whites imagined blacks too would be bound by the same political abstractions, and would relinquish race in favor of a constitutional design as an organizing principle in the society they now controlled.
Having “surrendered without defeat,” for a tepid peace, Europeans are, moreover, particularly and uniquely vulnerable within this political dispensation because of their history on the continent. Remedial historical revisionism notwithstanding, South Africa—with its space program and skyscrapers—was not the product of the people currently dismantling it. Rather, it was the creation of British and Dutch settlers and their descendants.
For what they’ve achieved and acquired—and for the original sins of apartheid in South Africa; slavery in America—whites are the objects of envy and racial enmity.
The observations of liberal, African-American journalist Keith Richburg are particularly pertinent here. Richburg believes that on the Dark Continent, tribal allegiance trumps political persuasion and envy carries the day. He cites the fate of the Tutsi—an alien, Nilotic African people, who formed a minority in Rwanda and Burundi—among the Hutu who are a Bantu people.
The Hutu have always resented the tall, imposing, attractive Tutsis, who had dominated them on-and-off since the 15th century. When Hutus picked up machetes to slash to bits nearly a million of their Tutsi neighbors in the 1994 Rwandan genocide, they were, on a deeper level, contends Richburg, “slashing at their own perceived ugliness, as if destroying this thing of beauty, this thing they could never really attain, removing it from the earth forever.”
Are shades of this impulse alive in the savagery inflicted on the European “settlers” of South Africa (and Zimbabwe and the Congo before them)? Who can say for sure? This much I know: Empowering political majorities in Africa has helped, not hindered, the propensity of hostile masses to exact revenge on helpless minorities.
It would be a mistake to believe, as the American ruling Idiocracy preaches, that minorities in the US—soon to form a majority—will relinquish race and tribe as unifying principles, in favor of the US’s constitutional design.
Like South Africa, America is a creation of (northwest) European settlers. And it is in Man’s nature to dislike those who are unlike him—all the more so when they, as a group, have accomplished what he has not.
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Enjoy!
Actually it is a good thing, I love it when a bomb thrower misses his mark......
And actually, since you did miss badly, you now accuse the site for your inaccuracy?
How petulant of you?
pout much?
I'm glad you like it. There will be lots more, every day!
So now you are going to inundate us Comment removed for CoC violation [ph]
Whatever floats your boat.....
I'm adjusting my seeds to NT's standards.
Cheap way to call everyone you disagree with on NT an asshole....
If Perrie allows it.
Remains to be seen, the US has become rather tribal - identity politics has done it's job well. Perhaps the 'tribes' will need to take a second look at the Constitution ..? Are there not already 'warring tribes' in America it is called politics (D) v (R)?
Why is it not mentioned the who does these murders, who is killing 53 South Africans as day? ... sounds like a study is in order (crack me up)...
Disclaimer: The need for a study is what 'cracks me up'!
Bob Nelson, I do not know you at all - you are new to me, yet I am quite curious as to why you are inciting NT with seeds like Mass-Murder-Weapons (or something like that) and now the theoretic demise of civilization into tribalism (the Arab nations are quite tribal as well, which is religion based - seems to work well for them?) - and the discarding of "white mans ways" i.e "The Constitution" ... is there no way to keep moving forward and reach compromises? (I keep dreaming about compromise)
Things are ugly already in America, no need to add fuel, the flames have already ignited!
Peace!
Well... The problem is that "being nice" is basically impossible on NT, unless one exiles oneself to the Groups.
If you followed the conversation after the gun article, you'll have noticed that of the roughly 600 Comments, only a few actually addressed the topic of the article. Most were about the 2nd amendment and heroic militias preparing to resist the gubmint. Some members posted outright lies, refusing to retract even when presented with clear evidence.
Bad faith is the rule. There was even a counter-article from a member who didn't post to mine!
I want to conform to NT standards, so I will be seeding in pure bad faith for a while. But I'll get over it eventually, and go back to intelligent-seeds-with-bad-faith-replies. Stay tuned...
A'ight, fair enough, thank you for the response.
I have to continue being me... I will read, and do my best to understand and respect the differences among us. I try to seed articles to incite conversation ... they rarely gain traction, passed over for what I have read are called bomb throwing seeds.
I hope that you find your center, and are able to once again be you.
Thank you again for the response - sorry I drug the conversation of topic, I was just trying to understand your mind set a wee bit.
Peace!
I did follow the conversation as best as I could .. how many times can one discuss the topic, does not a conversation always progress into something else .. how many ways can one answer why they may have a weapon you have determined to be a mass-murder-rifle?
BS, you're just doing what all good anarchists do, try to create anarchy which progresses your narrative and your narrative only.
Good luck with that. You will lose. Here and elsewhere.
Bank on it
It’s rooted in narcissism and the desire to acquire narcissistic supply. It doesn’t matter to the narcissist if the feedback is positive or negative as long as they are the center of attention.
Het Bfies .. good point, 'we' as posters / members of NT are the ones that set the tone. When an article is seeded with anger (for any # of reasons) perhaps antagonism cannot be avoided?
I think there were three straightforward answers.
I pretty sure more were possible.
Yay!
😎
When I want a laugh I read the seeds and comments by your ilk on this forum.
Nope. The rules are very clear. Anyone may post anything. Tje author has no more authority than any other.
Exactly!
Gee, Dean...
You're so-o-o-o smart!
No, actually. I've been pushing for higher standards for a long time.
But blatant, ugly lies are allowed. So...
Rubber meet Glue. FFS
Hey, pony up some bucks, get a developer to help you and start "Bob's Basement" in direct competition with NT and, with the "higher classed" standards you wish to have.
BTW, what standards WOULD you like to see changed/elevated to a new level? Other than an echo chamber styled environment?
Genuinely curious.....................
Then make a list and ask individuals if the items on your list match the reasons why they does what they do, and own what they own - by your standards.
I think there is truly only one answer - [insert name] made the decision to buy the weapon because they wanted to. Us non murder types have weapons for personal use and enjoyment ... we have events where individuals come together and compete - Tuesday nights are spent at the gun club shooting league trap and skeet.
Actually, in my opinion I do not think an explanation is owed to anyone.
Yay what?
What does mocking my comment do for you?
My bad for misspelling Hey ... my fingers are being rebellious to my thoughts : )
'We' are all here because of the negative contents of the article seeded .. thus giving the individuals that seeded the article the attention he/she craves?
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Think I am finally on the mend after my surgery .. SO YES : ) I having a strangely great day - Thank you
Since you have already decided what I would do... there's no need for any input from me.
Why do you assume I was mocking?
I've tried that for years. Since NT began. I sometimes get tired.
That is Bob's point exactly. When those of us try to seed articles that should stimulate good debate and conversation they are either intentionally derailed by the local troll or they are deflected with some argument involving the Clinton's. It would take a saint to not get pulled into the mud at times.
Give the lady a prize!
On Newstalkers , now, we have 450, 500, 600 comments seeds for what appears to be no reason whatever other than people want to keep repeating themselves. I looked through a lot of the long thread about Roy Moore. At a point it becomes heavily repetitive. So we have these super long threads suffocating the participation in other seeds, and we have the long loading times that happen on these super long threads.
Newstalkers is not a timely forum. It is a forum that barely covers the daily news stories, so we can have more 700 comment threads on guns.
I think it is a tremendous drag.
Mirror, Mirror on the wall, who truly IS the GREATEST of them ALL !
I agree.
IMHO, there were no more than fifty Comments to that article that were really pertinent. Some of the irrelevant Comments were interesting, but they were still off-topic, with the consequences on coherence and load-time that you mention.
I purposely did not apply Red Rules, because my intent was to measure the degree of off-topic on a subject like guns. I'm pretty sure that half the pro-gun Commenters did not even read the article. They saw the title and "knew" what any "libtard" would write, so they Replied to their own imagination rather than to me.
The problem is "off-topic", but any attempt to combat it is met with cries of "Censure!!" and "Free Speech!!".
Do you have a solution?
That's not a whole lot more on-topic than John's post, is it?
I'd say you have just confirmed his thesis.
I basically don''t look at your comments. They may be the most inane on this forum.
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I rarely make more than 6 or 7 comments on any seed. These long threads with "no, you" "no, you", "no, you" "no, you" are ridiculous.
I expect you are right about that.
I don’t see a problem it’s a discussion forum and the article was successful in generating discussion. If it’s not broke don’t fix it.
Morning PJ .. it has taken me a while to figure that out - not knowing Bob, and still learning each posters style. as well as their convictions/intentions/passions ... I always try to ask questions to make sure I am reading things correctly, yet I can still misunderstand, somethings get lost in translation.
I have figured one thing out though, and that is that my sarcasm detector button is broken ... which causes the 'are you mocking me' button to malfunction as well.. : )
Have a sweet day PJ!
Never saw this yesterday...
It was just my first thoughts Bob ... as I told PJ above - my 'are you mocking me' button is malfunctioning. I am finding myself to be a bit quick on the defense ... a stranger in a strange land so to speak!
No problem. I do use sarcasm quite often. As a consequence, people sometimes assume I'm being sarcastic even when I'm sincere.
It comes with the job.
LOL!!! :^)
Very GOOD, J!
We can always count on you to keep NT's standards HIGH!
I respectfully disagree......put small children of different races together in a room full of toys and you won't see an ounce of discrimination.......Bigotry and Discrimination isn't in "Man's Nature"......it is something that is taught or immolated.
There are many stumbling blocks to warmer racial relations in America, along with more equal treatment of the black community. I believe that editorials such as the one you have posted illustrate one such stumbling block. Any conflict such as this one, which spans 400 odd years, evolves. It's true that the black community has been getting a bad deal for 400 years here in America. It's true that there have been attempts to bridge the gap that have done so little. It's true that the basis of this discrimination is unacceptable and wrong. It is neither true nor helpful, in 2017, to lay this completely at the feet of the white man.
As a 2nd generation American of European Jewish descent, I have learned that you must take what little you have, and try to make something more of it, without expecting any more. If you get more, fine. But you often don't get more without a fight when you're a minority. And it's not different this time. The discrimination was institutional and rampant. The poverty was palpable. What did my grandparents do? They made sure that their children were attending school every day, learning and studying in order to become something more than they were. The institutional rampant anti-Semitism was responsible for the incredible challenge that my grandparents faced. But they fought. They fought for their children, and again for their grandchildren. They went to school. They graduated. They got jobs at subpar compensation. They worked harder. They got noticed. Life got better for them.
We were victims, constantly being victimized. We learned that playing some kind of "card" would do us no good. So we fought. We fought the only way we knew, which was with our minds and the energy in our bodies.
If you continue to portray yourself as a victim, that it was you will be.
Forever.
My aunt said, the other day, "Did you know that now some of 'those people' have been on welfare for nine generations?"
Did you ask her to source that comment?
probably
Source?
Of course not. That's so pre-post-reality...
Thomas Sowell is 1000% INCORRECT.
The "parasite class" he is cleverly protecting through even more clever deception is shrinking. Supply Side is concentrating the wealth into the management/control of the least deserving, unpatriotic cadre of elites since The Gilded Age.
White hatred? Hatred of whites? Honestly, thoughts and prayers will fix it, right?
American Renaissance is Bob's answer to Occupy Democrats
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So I ask, what is the benefit of seeding articles from either of these sources?
Cool!
Thanks, six. I'll take a look. If they have something really stupid, I'll seed it tomorrow.
There’s always Krugman if you really want to scrape the bottom of the barrel.
Great idea, Dean.
Sixpick compares an openly racist website to a politically leftist one.
Interesting.
Can I seed from the New Black Panthers because someone else seeds from Gateway Pundit ?
Let's rock and roll !
lol.
I compared two questionable sources and neither can be trusted. I was wondering where the self appointed quality control officer was and now you have come out of your closet. If a Conservative had posted this same article you would have been all over it telling everyone about the quality of the articles that are seeded on this site and criticizing the administration for allowing such articles by such sites, but you aren't doing it now, are you?
Makes me wonder as I've seen so many times before how some people on this site are never bothered by the fussing, fake news, questionable articles and even hateful comments unless it is coming from a so-called conservative.
Do you want to debunk this article or is it just fine to post articles by questionable sources if you are Liberal?
I take it you are talking about Bob's article. I let Bob know that I don't think his tactic here is working as he intended it to work. But then I am sure he has his own perspective on how well it worked.
Obviously Bob does not believe the article he seeded is worthy of discussion, but he is using it, imo, as an example of what not to seed.
You think CNN is fake news and that internal communism is America's biggest threat. We are not going to agree on much Six.
We will one day if we live long enough.
Nope.
Not equivalent, if only by volume (I didn't take the time to read much). The most recent post is a month old. And decent red meat site has several crazy articles every day.
"it is in Man’s nature to dislike those who are unlike him"
"It would be a mistake to believe, as the American ruling Idiocracy preaches, that minorities in the US—soon to form a majority—will relinquish race and tribe as unifying principles, in favor of the US’s constitutional design."
"For what they’ve achieved and acquired...whites are the objects of envy and racial enmity."
What a load of race bating nonsense. Just because there is black on white violence in some countries doesn't in anyway mean whites need to fear minorities and cling to power to fend off some imagined "envy and racial enmity". Minorities in the US have embraced our constitution and the idea that there will be some white genocide as the demographics change is beyond ridiculous, it's straight up xenophobic fear mongering.
This is nothing more than a white supremacist manifesto.
And rather amusing that the author's solution to racially (really economically) motivated violence is more racism and white supremacy rather than treating other people with decency and respect. South Africa still suffers from the economic disparity caused by hundreds of years of colonialism, apartheid and rather brutal oppression. That doesn't change overnight just because a new government takes over.
Nothing of interest in the thread so far. Probably avoid Bob's posts in the future because of the lack of relevant content.
Nothing but platform for a bunch of divisive, denigrating, hate filled pot stirring that some here on NT like to wallow in. Not worth reading or engaging in.
Just my own opinion.
Ouch!
The only thing that is relevant to anything is the ruling that according to the CoC a posting of facts outside the site has to have a link to the source or risks being deleted....
I wonder if the site management knows the loaded gun she just placed in the hands of the immoderate.
Other than that, it is another insulting piece towards the site and the people that disagree with Bob. And he threatens to take his anguish out on the site by posting more insulting hate towards the site....
Nowhere Man , do you think a comment about low black IQ's and black venereal disease rates is a hate comment?
And giving the newcomers that want to bring that kind of horse carp with them here to NT a platform to continue their desire to turn NT into a clone of NV. And trying to align racism with only one political ideology is the mainstay of their daily diet of hate and deliberate attempt to create the kind of hostile environment they prefer. That they can't succeed is personal affront to them, and they try even harder to create the kind of environment they crave by posting the kind of articles they know will bring about the kind of response they want. And they are not newbies, they have been here a long time and are merely taking advantage of those from NV who still want to play in the same kind of sewer that they were denied further access too when it went belly up.
Those who support it are letting the public and those where on NT know who and what they are. And their attempts to trash NT will never succeed, no matter how much they try.
What are you talking about?
You are pretty much Exhibit A.
There maybe a few people that have a sincere and legitimate interest in IQ "gaps".
I seriously doubt if you are one of them.
Yes there and I’m one of them are you?
And you are exactly right Raven and that was the purpose of the whole article. Even if an article is disagreeable by some, don't try and deceive others or think you are so much smarter than anyone else to degrade them by total deceit.
What are you talking about? I do not think I am smarter than anyone else, but, I am smart enough to know BS when I see it and/or read it. And don't try to put the blame on me for the desire of others to engage in the kind of garbage that this article involved.
You are entitled to your opinion, and so am I. But, that does not in any way give you the right to denigrate me by accusing me of deceit.
Reread his posting sister, he wasn't talking about you, he was talking about bob, and the point of this article.....
He was actually agreeing with you....
Thank you for clarifying Six's comment. It did sound at first read as if his accusation of deceit was aimed at me. I own him an apology which I will certainly do. (smile)
Six, I am truly sorry that I misunderstood your comment to me. I am sorry that jumped to the wrong conclusion of your words. I sincerely apologize and hope that you will forgive my lapse of understanding.
Oh, I dunno. In a way I was starting to enjoy the long, nit-picking discussion about whether there were sources listed, and if so whether or not these sources were legit-- and other fascinating aspects of that whole topic.
/sarcsm
I was wondering how long people could keep up this highly valuable discussion.
/sarcasm Part II
Much of the so-called "discussion" here reminds me of an olde saying:
It is better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt!