Al Franken and his harmless joke... Go ahead liberals, defend this:
The tour wrapped and on Christmas Eve we began the 36-hour trip home to L.A. After 2 weeks of grueling travel and performing I was exhausted. When our C-17 cargo plane took off from Afghanistan I immediately fell asleep, even though I was still wearing my flak vest and Kevlar helmet.
It wasn’t until I was back in the US and looking through the CD of photos we were given by the photographer that I saw this one:
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Except for the hair it's a great Roy Moore slam.
Who is defending it? Not me, I've always said there are no limits to sexual harassment, it goes beyond parties and pretty much across all society. Bring them all down. I have a feeling we might finally be getting some more women in politics. I guarantee Franken won't be the last, and the bodies will be all over the place. At least most of these don't involve underage girls, so Roy Moore still might be the bottom of the barrel, bring it on! We'll be talking about this for the foreseeable future at this rate. Better get comfortable. Who's next, another democrat or republican this time? Buckle up.
The only other question that will be harder to answer is, "How many of them will have the class that Al Franken has had when they are caught?"
Not according to her and, she's the only one who matters.
He had class? I thought liberals promoted themselves as being the defenders of women & women's rights? They have told women that women were victims and it was progressives who would fight for their interests. Now it turns out that they themselves are victimizing women. And when they get caught? They say sorry, and line up to go before the congressional "ethics committee", which is a know for not doing much more than issuing strongly worded letters.
No, that's not my definition of class.
Still waiting to hear from a so-called "feminist"
I saw Franken's accusor last night and she was like dumb ya know and like inarticulate ya know and like a total valley girl ya know and like I thought she was like incoherent and grasping ya know for her moment of fame like ya know where what she was saying was not the whole truth. What we know is thhat Franken kissed her when they rehearsed a comic skit where Franken was supposed to kiss her. Yeah, I know. Anywho they did not get along and so she did not want to kiss him in rehearsal. Understandable but not a crime or harrassment. The photograper says that photo was staged. One thing is for sure Franken was not a US Senator then. He was a commedian on a USO tour. He was not banned from the mall or the YMCA for harrassing underage girls as Roy Moore was. False equivilencies are on their faces false, after all...
At least he owned it and there wasn't much to own, unlike the pedophile you excuse
You'll have to explain that?
Um-hum good luck with that
Franklen only owned what was blatantly obvious what was in the photo. Unless he's added more his apology he didn't admit to sticking his tongue in her mouth.
While we are at it, where's your photo of Moore molesting someone?
Exactly right - If you don't mean what you say - you are "SO-CALLED"
The comments from those on the left here - defending Franken - is the proof. Progressives are hypocrites and fakes
So you're calling Moore's (and by extension, Trump's) accusers liars while making the opposite judgment that everything a dem accuser says is 100% true. Furthermore, you're also aiding the criminal act of the sexual molestation of a 14 y.o. girl. That's such a blatant moral failure that it mocks you. Then, of course, the obvious and constant falsehoods: Franken hasn't denied the kiss happened and he's apologized -- twice now, once orally and once in writing.
So your answer to how many republicans will have the decency, courage, character and honesty to fess up and apologize is: NONE. Thank you for playing our game. Your consolation prize is waiting at the exit.
That's laughable. From Ted Kennedy getting away with leaving a woman to drown to democrats calling Bill Clinton's accusers bimbos to defending the likes of Al Franken, I'd say progressives dont support their "values" at all. Supreme hypocrisy used only to garner the votes of women.
Yes, they are to be condemned
I grew up in an Irish neighborhood. There was a saying back then - "the easiest thing in the world to do is to say "sorry". In other words, there are cases where the apology is worthless. The despicable human being known as Al Franken would be a perfect example.
Progressives took on that mantra, did they not?
Wasn't the idea to enlist everybody who wasn't a white male, as victims, so they could win elections?
How's that working out for ya?
It is yet to be proven that Moore sexually molested Leigh Corfman nearly 40 years ago.
You're condemning a man of being a pedophile with zero evidence. You do the same to Trump based on totally unproven lies.
I base my opinion on Franken on the photo and his not totally honest apology. I base my opinion on Clinton on his settlement with Jones.
Slut Shaming at its finest.
Moore's lack of one is despicable, deplorable and cowardly.
But you must think child molester Roy Moore is since you're doing everything you can to excuse him what he did.
You did, read it.
I think you forgot something. Franken apologized for half of what he was accused of - he half he got caught at. To the accusation of the forced kiss he said only - “While I don’t remember the rehearsal for the skit as Leeann does, I understand why we need to listen to and believe women’s experiences,”
Iv'e stated my opinion on Moore in another seed, which was about Moore. (I said - I believe the women and any solution that takes Moore out, but puts another Republican in Sessions seat would make me happy). This seed is about FRANKEN. Its not about Moore, Trump or Conservatives.
Republicans have condemned Moore. Democrats, respond to Franken by saying it's wrong & let the ethics committee decide his fate. You start out by saying it's wrong but revert back to defending him. Which is it?
Yes I did. You did stand up. I give you credit
slam
I've NEVER EVER known someone....in my lifetime.... that would apologize for something they didn't do.....do you know someone that will ?
Roy Moore is a lying POS child molester who's depending on his deplorable followers to ignore that reality and put him into the Senate. It's the Trump model at the state level. That's why Trump's keeping his trash-filled mouth shut.
Is that the admission we've been hoping for that you'll never stop being hypocritical?
In that typical disgusting rightwing way, yes, indeed.
Oh, that's so very noble of you--nope. IOW, you'll take a pass at condemning the crimes he committed and just hope someone else gets the job done, but if not you'll be happy either way with the result. That's the moral backbone of a jelly fish. BTW, any subject that attacks Franken's apology and his owning up to his actions (Moore won't even admit he ever met the 14 y.o. Leigh Corfman much less that he sexually molested her--and fuck that Irish bullshit story of yours while we're at it) immediately draws the stark contrast of his strength of character and Moore's (as well as Trump's) total lack of it. Skirting the CoC [ph]
Vic also referred to Franken's accuser as a "lingerie model," even as he demands feminist credentials from otheres. Cute he, eh?
Moore's Alleged crimes at this time.
Franken Apologized, so his accuser must be telling the truth.
Correction on that, let me repeat what you glossed over - "any solution that takes Moore out, but puts another Republican in Sessions seat would make me happy" - Got it?
I can understand that your'e a little hot under the collar, but there is no excuse for what Franken did. He has only apologized for half of it (for the 3rd time.). Franken is a sitting Senator - he needs to resign.
First, I think that it is up to the Senate Ethics Committee to decide Franken's fate. Second, the governor of Alabama has stated that she intends to vote for Moore, and, will continue to leave him in the race because, "It is better to have a Republican, even if that Republican is a pedophile, in the Senate representing Alabama than to have a Democrat in the seat." Her words, not mine.
Then should Moore win he should also be left to the Senate "ethics" committee.
Second, the governor of Alabama has stated that she intends to vote for Moore, and, will continue to leave him in the race because, "It is better to have a Republican, even if that Republican is a pedophile, in the Senate representing Alabama than to have a Democrat in the seat." Her words, not mine.
She has no choice according to the laws of Alabama. Here's a real "what if" for ya: What if we could temporarily suspend those laws? What if we could remove Moore from the election and replace him with Luther Strange? Would you go along with that?
You mean being honorable and honest is your litmus test for whether to believe the accuser or not? What. A. Joke. So all a perp needs to do is deny all charges and you'd let him go? That's a great way never to be called for jury duty....I guess.
Oh, that's MUCH better. Politics matters more than morality---isn't that what your sort's always charging Dems with? I'd advise you to stop digging but hope that you don't. This is fun.
In that one sentence you indict yourself for hypocrisy since after years of investigation by republicans not one iota of evidence was presented to back that lie up.
Jeebus, don't you read or watch anything but rightwing filthy lies? Liberals* are tearing Franken a new on while you're defending a sick child-molesting monster.
*For example:
Let me expand a little bit: You've also let us know that if Roy Moore wins the race in AL (which he most likely will) you'll be as happy with that result as with any other that puts a republican in the seat. IOW, you don't give a shit about how immoral the person happens to be.
Won't you be surprised. In the interest of keeping to the coh, I will refrain from commenting further.
In your Slate link, the only "liberal" is the author, Mark Joseph Stern . The article doesn't mention other liberals "tearing Franken a new on".
I thought all gunny was saying is that Franken basically admitted his misconduct because he apologized for it. You don’t usually apologize for something you didn’t do.
If you were charged with a crime, you either admit or deny the charges, If you deny, then there’s a trial and the government has to prove it. If they prove it, you go to sentencing. If not, you go free.
if you admit it, however, then you go straight to sentencing; you don’t go free. So I’m not clear why you think he’s suggesting that a perp goes free if he admits the crime.
Well, that's been obvious so, no, I think we've been hearing this meme from several quarters including from the President's mouthpiece who, when asked what the difference between Franken and Trump, answered "Franken it admitted and the President hasn't." They're pretending that if the accused just keeps denying it happened somehow means it didn't happen or never admitting it means it never happened. It's that cesspit "morality" of these people that keeps flushing the country down the toilet.
The only way what you’re saying makes sense is if you assume that he’s guilty but just won’t admit it. But, if hes not guilty as he claims, then the difference is exactly what he says it is i.e. Franken has admitted his guilt while Trump (and Moore) has said he’s innocent. We don’t normally assume that someone is guilty just because they maintain their innocence. The point of “innocent until proven guilty” is to create a presumption that a person isn’t guilty simply by being accused of something. Guilt has to be proven.
Not much to defend here..
1) The photo was staged, obviously. And lets be honest here.. How much boob are you really going to "grab" through a flack jacket?
2) If you are going to "sexually assault" someone, who asks the photographer to capture that, "special moment"? Really?
3) She admits she had to kiss Franken, on stage, as part of the skit...but apparently kissing him in practice is somehow...not ok? In front of people, ok, no people, not ok? Odd.
Trump: 26 accusers...
Moore: 9 accusers...
Franken: 1 accuser...
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But somehow Franken is the bad guy? Really? LMAO!!!
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Hey trump, tell ya what... The dems will happily investigate Franken's ONE accuser, if YOU agree to investigate your 26 accusers and Moore's 9 accusers... Fair?
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Trump: 26 accusers... Moore: 9 accusers...
Can you name any of them, and exactly what they said that Trump and Moore did to them.
I see both of them as being creeps, but it is not criminal to be creepy.
So, according to the left wing apologists here, would Trump and Moore simply apologizing end the matter.
Don't you think it is time for Bill Clinton to sincerely apologize for his sexual assaults against multiple women, and for Hillary to apologize for enabling his behavior and demonizing his victims???
It should be. I have 2 candidates at work I want arrested
A Bit Orwellian....wouldn't you think ?
I've read that in the 40's, "Finger Pointing" was the "IN THING" too.
You haven't seen and interacted with these cretinous mf'ers
Ummmmm.....Women can be just like a man. Of course, I am a MAN though.
You couldn't be any more transparent in your silly attempts to deflect away from the atrocities your scumbags commit. But you want names? Here are names:
First Moore:
Leigh Corfman
Wendy Miller
Debbie Wesson Gibson
Gloria Thacker Deason
Beverly Young Nelson
Tina Johnson
Gena Richardson
Becky Gray
Trump's list to follow.
They think they are God's glory to women kind. Both are arrogant, narcissistic and not to be trusted with your wives, mothers, or daughters. Hell, I'd keep granny away, too.
One actually had the audacity to touch me one day.
Bet you SAID something Like I did.....LOUDLY !
I said don't touch me again
Now Trump's list of victims:
Ivana Trump (1989)
Jill Harth (1992)
Summer Zervos (2007)
Jessica Leeds (1980s)
Kristin Anderson (1990s)
Cathy Heller (1997)
Temple Taggart McDowell (1997)
Karena Virginia (1998)
Mindy McGillivray (2003)
Rachel Crooks (2005)
Natasha Stoynoff (2005)
Jessica Drake (2006)
Ninni Laaksonen (2006)
Burnett's unnamed friend (2010)
Cassandra Searles (2013)
Allegations of pageant dressing room visits
Miss Teen USA contestants
Bridget Sullivan (2000)
Tasha Dixon (2001)
Samantha Holvey (2006)
Wow, that's an impressive list! How many of those allegations resulted in indictment, prosecution, trial, conviction, sentencing, and prison sentences?
One thing I am NEVER afraid of doing, is calling out wrong to someone's face when I see it in my area. YOUR Hurt feelings are not MY problem. Your potty mouth when you are embarrassed by what I said, Definitely doesn't hurt my feelings. I just laugh, because I know you showed EVERYONE your stupid colors. Maybe tomorrow you will think before acting for a Change.
Not You, as in Trout Giggles, but people in general.
"Common Sense" is the thing of the past this last decade. My aim is to keep "Common Sense" ALIVE !
For those that like to do the "Common Sense" funny haha:
That's a LOT of names.
Super research!
You get a cookie and chocolate milk as a reward.
But....what crimes were committed?
Touching, kissing, groping, leering?
Whose pussy was grabbed?
True. It's rather curious why none of the Trump's accusers haven't been heard from since Nov. 2016.
So, by your standards and, Texan's, you should be defending Franken, no charges were filed at any PD in his case either.
I can't and won't speak for Texan 1211, but I can speak for myself. There's no reason for me to defend Franken, because there is photographic proof of what he did and he has acknowledged that he did it. Thus far, none of Moore's accusers and/or their lawyers have presented proof that Moore did what they allege he did. What a concept.
molesting a fourteen year old is slightly more than creepy, you can look up the list yourself and even call it fake news till your head swells, when has trump apologised for ANYTHING and religious zealot moore has zero problem lying his ass off, he probably is on his knees thanking jesus smartphones didn't exist then.
You mean like they have disappeared, disposed of by ..................Killary...........
And did you make a complaint? I hope you did. No one gets to touch another without that person's permission.
As the complaint just came to light?
The photo was staged, obviously. Even the photographer said it was staged. Be realistic...who says, "hey im going to sexually assault someone, get your camera!". No one does that, it was meant as a joke and like i said, how much boob are going to touch through a flack jacket?
Tweeden is also a far right wing trump supporter.
She's had the pictures for over 10 years.
"lawyers for Ms. Zervos point to the United States Supreme Court ruling that allowed Paula Jones to bring a sexual harassment suit against President Bill Clinton while he was in office, and several law professors have filed briefs supporting the legal grounds for such a suit."
That was from November 1st, 2017...
So you're defending Harvey Weinstein, Bill Clinton, Bill Cosby, Louis C.K., Al Franken, Kevin Spacey, James Toback and Mark Halperin, right? Bill Cosby got as far as a trial, but no conviction, no sentencing and no prison sentence, so by your rules they're all pure as the driven snow like Judge Roy Moore and Donald Trump... right?
Where are the lawsuits? Trump said he would be suing all of his accusers after the election... So what's the hold up?
That's pretty interesting coming from someone who's doing everything he can to run interference for a sick fuck child molester like Roy Moore.
There is no limit to how willing you are to run interference for child molesters, is there. This idea that rightwingers somehow think they're morally superior to everyone else is one of the sickest jokes being played on this country.
Oh, so you agree that Trump pays accusers off. He claims otherwise but I guess even you've finally clued in to what lying glop of scum he is.
You don't have to keep demonstrating your hypocrisy on this matter. It's established in stone by now. You don't require any such standard for the accusers of dems.
If these people ever decided to stop being massive hypocrites, there'll be nothing to do on sites like this, eh?
Leigh Corfman's, Moore's 14 y.o. victim of sexual molestation. You might want to read her account. I wanted to vomit but I wonder if you'll feel anything but renewed determination to keep defending that sick fuck.
Oh, and the fifth woman to come forward (although she was "legal" at the time Moore tried to rape her): Beverly Young Nelson
Key word in that phrase is CONSENT, regardless of the age. Not one of these girls or very young "women" (none over the age of 18 it seems) ever gave Moore consent to tap them on the shoulder much less put his grubby paws all over her.
Too many people keep forgetting that none of Moore's accusers were forced to enter his car or home. In fact, Leigh Corfman, who was 14, said that she told Moore to pick her up around the corner (or down the street?) instead of at her home. This leads one to believe that she wanted to hide her rendezvous from her mother or other family members in her house.
As I've repeatedly said, a person who is accused of a crime is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. And do not say that I'm defending Moore, because I am not; I'm defending our legal process.
Whatnwhat reading her account accomplish if we don’t know a thing about the veracity of Leigh Coffman. For all I know, she could be a notorious liar and scoundrel. Were Leigh Corfman’s fingerprints recovered from the inside of Moore’s car or house? Can she even describe the inside of his house and, if she so, can it be independently verified? Anybody can give a compelling story. Science fiction and romance novel writers do it all the time and not a word of it is true.
Moore would only have had her house phone number. She claims that she made arrangements for him to pick her up while using the phone in her room. Except her mother said that she didn’t have a phone in her room and landline phones weren’t portable. So Moore was just calling her home phone and intended to hang up every time her mother answered or maybe he was going to arrange the date with a 14 year old through her mother. /s
Well, there's this: During her life, Leigh Corfman also accused at least 3 male pastors at different churches of sexual misconduct or worse. All of the allegations/accusations were dismissed.
That’s what she says. But that same story can be interpreted differently. It goes like this. She knew Moore was flirting with her because she says she didn’t return his flirtations. But she brought her yearbook to work in “December” (yearbooks are issued around May) so that Moore could sign it. If that’s his signature, then she wanted it because according to one accuser’s mother, if she dated Moore, she’d be the luckiest girl in the world.
She was waiting on her boyfriend to pick her up but decided to ditch him and hop in Moore’s car. According to her, she was going to call her boyfriend from home because they didn’t have cell phones at the time. However, because there were no cellphones, she knew that her boyfriend wouldn’t receive the call. I guess she didn’t care. She says Moore then drove her to the dumpster behind the building.
She didn’t tell her boyfriend about ditching him and the alleged rape. No doubt he would have been as angry with her as with Moore. She kept Moore’s signature in her yearbook (un-obliterated) because she wanted to brag that Moore thought she was beautiful. Moore later presided over her divorce but, instead of passing out upon discovering that the judge in her divorce was the man who supposedly tried to rape her, she kept quiet. She didn’t disclose to her husband that she knew the judge nor did she ask to be reassigned, probably hoping that Moore still liked her and would give her a favorable decision. Doesn’t seem like how one reacts to a man who so upset her that she’s blubbering about it 40 years later.
Her stepson says that she’s a liar and a manipulator. And she’s standing next to the human buzzard, Gloria Allred. Maybe I should believe him since he knows his step mother and I don’t.
Where is that reported?
Actually, that list is directly from the Wiki Page Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations
The page has an entire section for each allegation maker and goes into some details of the allegations with the responses of denial and some equally believable accounts of witnesses to some of these so-called sexual attacks which amount to complete denials.....
Some of the denials are more believable that the accusations, and of course Gloria Allred is conspicuously present in a number of them, many are registered democrats and open supporters of Hillary.
The list and the facts related there do not make for a convincing argument that T-Rump sexually assaulted anyone.....
Okay but you still don't think it really matters unless there's a trial, which there very well could be with the charges filed by Summer Zervos. I expect many of those women whom you've said have just "disappeared" or faded away are likely to be witnesses in that trial.
Why would you think that means anything?
Republicans don't do arithmetic. They just smear.
Like you're smearing Trump and Moore?
No one here is "smearing Trump and Moore", their accusers have made allegations against them and many of us believe the accusers. That's not smear, it's looking at the facts and coming to a logical conclusion as to what type of person they are. In Trump and Moore's case, the number of accusers and consistency of the accounts and in some cases verification from the accused out of their own mouths, would lead one to the logical conclusion that they are both sexual predators. You can defend and deflect all you want by coming up with implausible excuses to deflect from their long list of victims accusations, but that's your choice just as it is mine to believe they both belong in prison, not the Senate or the white house.
Ever see a bug hit a windshield? Who's fault is it that the bug hit the windshield, the bugs or, the drivers? Moore and, Trump are bugs and, they hit a windshield.
Yet when conservatives bring up the women that accused bill clinton and say that they believe them you will scream that it is just an attempt to smear bill clinton.
Nice double standard you have there!
I happen to believe most of the accusations against Bill Clinton other than the one of rape that was recanted by the accuser. I didn't vote for him because of those accusations. I voted for Ross Perot in 1992 and Ralph Nader in 1996. So you can assume all you want about whether people did or didn't believe Clintons accusers, he's not in politics anymore and hasn't been for 17 years. I'm worried about our current politicians making current law while more than a dozen (more accusers than Clinton ever had) have come forward to accuse the President and confirm the Presidents own words. If you had a tape of Clinton saying he grabbed women by the genitals you know for a fact the right wing would be playing it daily on right wing media. Because it's Trump the right wing media avoids it like the plague or defends it by saying "He said they "let you do it" so that means consent!" which you never would have heard if it were Clinton saying those exact same words.
Can't smear guilty POSs like that any more than they do themselves. Keep on covering for them though. Eventually you'll end up hiding out when they get run to ground.
It's not a smear when it's the truth and as has been pointed out umpteen times the evidence against them is exactly the same kind of evidence you accept as truth when it's Franken or Weinstein or Clinton or [insert any liberal or dem name here].
That's sooo funny coming from the rightwingers who assign blame only on the basis of political affiliation....i.e., Dems always guilty, Repubs never gulity despite both having exactly the same evidence against them. I guess it must be so second-nature that they're (i.e., rightwingers) can't even tell they're doing something so blatantly hypocritical that healthy people wouldn't dare try to pull off.
Your Mirror just CRACKED after that comment !
Excuse me but YOUR hypocrisy is shiwing and all the world can see it!
To my knowledge accusations against Moore are being investigated - as far as I know Trump's accusers have faded away, but the accusations should be investigated if there is any merit to them.. there is never a defense for someone guilty of sexual misconduct - I will wait to condemn, but in no way do I defend... but you can MrFrost : )
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It is nice that finally the headlines are not all things Russia!
YAY! Steelers!!!
Exactly.....faded away. Just like the Herman Cain accusers, and the Clarence Thomas Accuser, and possibly the Eric Bolling Accusers too.
Who is gonna pay the attorney to dig into "Could be" accusations on Trump ?
Why does Gloria Allred ALWAYS show up to these type circuses, and then "NEVER PRODUCE" for her clients, yet ALWAYS get's what she is originally going for. "SELF GRATIFICATION".
Is the so-called "Fifth Accuser" paying Gloria, or is Gloria doing her feel good deed Pro Bono ?
No, they haven't. Trump supporters dismiss them (while never doing so for any accuser of a dem or liberal) and wish they'd go away. Summer Zervos has a defamation suit pending against the Giant Scumbag. We don't know how many women who's silence he's bought over the years. Like Moore's accusers the women in the list I provided above would be satisfied if Trump just owned up to what he did (and as Franken did so quickly yesterday). But Trump is so devoid of character, honor, honesty and courage to ever do something like that.
Here's a link to several of those women:
Because she is a media whore and likes to see herself on TV
Thanks for the link Atheist ... not being a Trump supporter, never having dismissed these women .. I really thought they had returned to their lives, having made a choice to walk away ... it is stressful and in many cases painful to be subjected to the court of public opinion -
Sadly a man (in my opinion) like Trump will never own up to these accusations (I feel Bill Clinton is the same) as nothing they do, in their minds, is wrong! Clinton got caught in a lie and had to own up a lil bit - Franken, there is a creepy photo, he had to own up to his joke (or so I am told it is called) .. did Franken own up to the inappropriate kiss? I have not read nor seen is apology - I only know he did .. guess I better catch up!
How many men / women take responsibility for something that there is NO proof of? A cop told me back in the late 80's to "admit nothing, deny everything and demand proof!" same person told me that "someone can say sorry only so many times - before they become the sorriest [bad word] you know!"
Thanks again for the link
That is true although it doesn't mean the investigation has no merit no matter how much I or you dislike her. The fire is burning so hot there is little smoke.
Signed,
Donald Trump
No Mr Trump had nothing to do with my comment. You fail again.
If you watched ID Channel, or other of the "Criminal Investigations" channels and shows; you would be surprised the number of people whom have been forced to confess to a crime by police when there was no proof the person was even there and later DNA evidence proved their innocence.
And nobody ever filed a suit against Clinton for rape but I'll bet that doesn't mean you think he didn't do it.
By "faded away" do you mean being attacked and slandered as liars by Trump or Trump surrogates? Not a single one of the 16 women listed below has ever retracted her account of Trump's sexual attack:
Summer Zervos has an active case of defamation pending against Trump for his calling her a liar in public statements. One trumper here ridiculed this case since she isn't suing for his sexual crimes. But suing for defamation is a brilliant legal strategy for someone like Trump because it will force HIM to prove she was lying and he would be required to testify under oath also subjecting him to the choice of either admitting to all the accusations or the risk of perjuring himself which would mean criminal charges. Furthermore, it would allow Zervos's lawyers the opportunity to bring woman after woman to the stand to testify under oath that Trump did, in fact, do all of the things alleged. His only hope here is to either try to get a NY judge to dismiss the case (which has failed so far) or try to buy her off and that looks like a slim-to-no chance of happening at this point.
Hi tomwcraig ... I watch far too many real crime investigations programming - I am kind of a junkie : ) ... That being said, forced in your statement is the key word .. these people did not confess without being coerced ...
P.s... think I have finally seen every Forensic Files episode made : )
Thanks for the additional information. When you provided me with the People.com link, I went and searched around for more information on the subject.
The Zervos defamation case is long shot ish, but I do wish her luck - she may be Trump's down fall, yet I have my doubts. Zervos continued to meet with him (as did more than several of Cosby's accusers) to me that defies common sense 101. I realize that he will have to prove her to be a liar, but does not meeting with Trump in private one more time ... sorta toss a wrench into the cogs?
I am not a small woman 6'2 190'ish lbs and before my accident was in excellent shape, could toss around a 100 lbs without breaking a sweat - that being said, I have never, would never accompany a man to / meet a man in his room alone (especially after being assaulted once already) unless I intended to have physical contact.
Disclaimer: not being judgmental, to each their own .. but there in lies the conflict for me. I was taught to avoid putting myself in a compromising situations that I may not be able to get out of - going to a mans room that I am not interested in being with, is one of those compromising situations!
Just how I see things ... I do not know what to believe. I know why - but I do not get waiting YEARS ... the Weinstein thing is insane, women actually praised him in public at award shows 'apparently' knowing what he had and was doing. Angelina Jolie (?) I about fell over. I may not be a fan, but I respected her, as the strong woman she 'was' .... waited years - and only said something after the avalanche had already started - I DO NOT UNDERSTAND ...
Sorry I went off topic ... my opinion is rarely popular!
And that’s common sense. Anybody who supposedly acts against common sense should be suspect.
(?) Do/did you feel the same way - offer up the same sympathy for those women that accused former President Clinton of assault and even rape. The Clinton's, as well as their surrogates attacked/slandered these women as liars (even the media did) I do not think any of those women have ever retracted their account of the sexual assault by the former President either. have they?
I went digging through the archives - accusations against the former president .. date way back - what was it that made those women unbelievable?
Do you really expect an honest answer?
Do not know Nowhere Man ... I suspect that Atheist would offer his honest opinion, I have no reason to believe otherwise.
Here is a wee bit of what I found last night ... actually a very interesting read...
And it’s becoming clear that it still is.
100% agreement, Feminists haven't gone away, all you see in the media is the perpetually aggrieved, politically motivated feminist. All the real feminists went on to live their lives in greater enlightened roles....
All they have left is the universal victimhood club.
How many of those Trump accusers are still around? I know of one that is still trying to get a suit through, even though it is a civil suit.
The rest took their payment from Hillary and crawled back into their holes.
Franken: Picture proves misconduct, misconduct is obvious, Franken admitted it, Democrats mostly rush to defend him rather than call for him to resign.
Moore: No proof, allegations of illegal behavior can’t be proven or disproven because they are 40 years old, Moore denies all allegations of illegal behavior and “misconduct”, Democrats rush to demand that he drop out of the race.
This is totally political.
It certainly is on your part: Picture means nothing. It isn't shown that Franken's actually touching her (photographer may need to verify that to make it absolutely clear) so we have only Ms. Tweeden's word of 11 years ago that the kiss was a violent act which happens to be exactly the same kind of evidence, i.e. word of mouth (no pun intended) of multiple women victims of Roy Scumbag Moore. The time factor applies in both situations and it doesn't matter if it's 11 or 30+ years. Moore's victims' accounts are as vivid in their memories now as if they occurred yesterday.
The picture means everything. Franken has not denied that he was feeling her breasts nor can he deny it because the intent of the picture is to show him doing just that. Since Franken hasn’t denied it, you don’t need to ask the photographer anything..
One is no more reliable than the other and cumulating unreliable evidence doesn’t make it more reliable. If it’s evidence against “Roy Scumbag Moore” then it’s evidence against Al “your boobs are mine” Franken. But to be clear, a woman (or man) saying something happened is unlikely to ever be dispositive proof to me, even if she (he) said it happened yesterday, let alone four decades ago. I want independent proof.
So they say. The memories of people claiming to have been abducted by aliens are equally clear yet the clarity of their memory is an insufficient basis for me to believe them. There are lots of men sitting in jail based on false rape charges. I want proof.
“'I give the pills to Lesley Stahl. Then when Lesley is passed out, I take her to the closet and rape her.' Or ‘That’s why you never see Lesley until February.' Or, ‘When she passes out. I put her in various positions and take pictures of her,’” Franken was quoted saying.
Link?
What sex crimes are you referring to? Why was not arrested and thrown in jail? Can you provide specifics and links to the complaints?
Why are there no charges against Trump being pursued in court?
Could his accusers be making stuff up for political reasons, like what is happening to Moore???
Not yet.
14 year olds are easy to intimidate especially when you are one of the little towns big dogs, go ahead press charges.
That's some really weird logic. It's not sexual abuse because she isn't 14 anymore? That's a joke right?
Lock him up!!!
Don't you dare! She loved every minute of it and so did I!
What's your hurry, anyway? These things move slowly. Why aren't you asking this about Leeann Tweeden?
Going into complete and total irrelevancies now, eh?
It ISN'T sexual abuse because some 40 years later someone SAYS SO either !
Duke Lacrosse team comes to mind !
Don't you hate it when LYING BAD APPLES can screw things up for those that ACTUALLY have things happen to them ?
Perhaps. But, Leigh Corfman didn't seem to be easily intimidated in 1979, because she told Moore to pick her up either around the block or down the street (I can't remember which). She obviously didn't want her mother or other family members at home to know that she was meeting an adult man who was virtually a stranger.
You do know the difference between saying something and doing something, right? And the difference between a horrible idea for a SNL skit and real life? And the difference between actors and real people? Jeebus, you people want to hang someone who has stupid ideas while you can hardly wait put a child molester into the Senate. Where does "morality" like that come from?
Here again you slide down the slope of selective morals by backing every accuser of someone you don't like and attacking every one of them for the people you do like. You don't seem to be able to see how bad that makes you look but that's fine with me.
So, if Franken just says he was jus' jokin' (which he actually was since it was, however horrible an idea for a SNL comedy sketch) it'll be okay with you? And Franken hasn't lied about anything while we know Trump can't get through a single day without multiple lies:
Trump Lies Average 9 Per Day
Linking an Alternet/Salon article is "proof"? Bwwwwahahaha!
It was just a simple little joke.
Yep, nothing to see here ... It would appear that sexual misconduct has various meanings depending on who it is being accused ... not surprising though is it .. to find out that Al Franken used the joking kind of sexual misconduct?
ooooooo..... Sorry ....... that wasn't the correct answer.
The question was .......... "What is Touching".
And your wager was ?
Hmmm, well that is hard to define .. as it seems it has now taken on new meaning based on who is doing the touching, why they are touching, what they are using to touch with ... as well as who is making the accusations of said touching?
Did I get it right this time?
" Did I get it right this time? "
The "who" post was probably the closest.
It's now the 3 ft. rule. Pretty soon, we will ALL have to all wear "Soccer Boppers" (or whatever those body bubbles are called) in order to go through society without accusations. But I am sure SOMEONE will find a way to cause an issue anyway.
Well, for Moore it was literally putting his filthy hands on the breasts and pubic areas of an undressed 14 year old girl and then trying to force her to stroke his boner.
For Franken it was posing for a picture that made it appear as if he were touching the breast area of a fully dressed, Kevlar vested sleeping woman.
It's odd to have to explain that to some people.
Really now. What was a 14 year old doing undressed in front of a Lone male again ?
Were the parents listening outside the door ?
Congratulations. Of all the disgusting things I've seen on NV and now here, that is by far the most. But I am glad you showed us that you think child sexual molestation is not only okey dokey with you but you find it funny.
Atheist forgot to mention the following. According to:
Weird !
Actually....it would have to be your second. You said the EXACT same thing about another of my comments on a different article/seed, that you had no clue about the entire conversation in the first place.
So which is it ?
"But I am glad you showed us that you think child sexual molestation is not only okey dokey with you but you find it funny."
Liberals....sheeesh. Reading something "between the lines" that isn't there again ?
It's public knowledge reported by the Washington Post:
Also, according to WaPo, Leigh Corfman told her mother around 10 years after it allegedly happened, but apparently she and her mother never reported it to police/pressed charges. Now, that is weird!
Now it does sound like you don't have a problem with conservative pedophiles, perhaps there is still time to be a character witness for Warren Jeffs. His appreciation might interest you.
For sure !
Maybe you left out the "Alleged" part by mistake ?
I challenge you to post where or when I've state that I "don't have a problem with conservative pedophiles". I have explicitly stated that people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, and you cannot refute this. In other posts, I back them up with FACTS.
Time to stop making this about people here, Explorerdog. Why don't you stick with the story instead of trying to insult members here. I mean, this isn't Newsvine, after all.
Which is so weird, in 1979 I was 13 and babysitting other peoples children, I certain did not need to be watched!
I cannot defend Moore, nor condemn this woman as a liar - just the whole story is weird/creepy, but it was the 70's......................................
Did she also give Moore permission to rape her daughter? Kinda doubt it.
Neither Leigh Corfman nor her mother ever accused Roy Moore of rape.
No cigar. No gold star. No participation trophy. But, your comment earned an epic fail.
No between the lines. Right on the line....this line:
Now, tell us how funny that is. C'mon, don't be shy, coy or modest.
Yes....it was reading between the lines.
Serge Schmemann
Not a stranger, exactly. She knew him to be the county ADA. But I appreciate you admitting that he does fit the profile of a child molester despite that. Really loved the hook he used with the Mom: "You don't want your innocent little girl to hear all that icky stuff in the courtroom do you?" That pervert makes my skin crawl every time I think about that scene.
So, we blame the 14 y.o. victim. Noice!
AFTER, he sexually molested her.
I think your next defense of him will have to be: "well, he didn't murder, dismember and feed her to hogs so he's not so bad."
STILL no evidence of that. Are saying you were in the back seat watching??
Prove, with FACTS NOT HEARSAY, that Moore did this.
Here's the acid test for all of you defending Franken. Be honest with yourself if you can. Which i doubt most of you can.
Lets say instead of Franken that same picture is Mitch McConnell or Ryan. Would you be defending them like you are defending Franken?
Nope
Well TG, you are a rarity in your zone ..... and you know it. Just look at some of the defenses being foisted on us here.
Being a misogynous pig knows no political bounds. Neither party has the market cornered on that.
That's the truth.
I like Al Franken, but I have hard time defending this behavior. Even if he only meant it as a joke, it's still sexual harassment and totally not funny
See what i mean?
Now, I'm not defending Franken but, he is the only one out of the bunch who has come out and, not only apologized for his actions but, has asked the Senate to investigate it. So, not only did he admit to doing it, he has requested that there be an investigation into his doing it and, he has said that he will cooperate with any investigation and, accept the results. So, here's a question for ya, how many of the others are doing anything like this?
So if they made an inappropriate joke photo of them pretending to grab a woman's breasts, then you'd believe all the accusers instead of siding with the perpetrators of sexual assault and in some cases pedophilia? Is that really the new standard for conservatives?
If there's an R next to their name, they get a pass. If there is a D next to their name, they get hounded until they make 3 or 4 apologies and get investigated by the Ethics Committee
And, even then it's not enough, think about Ted Kennedy, I think he was a POS but, no one let Chappaquiddick die after it happened and, he was given a clean slate in the matter, even now, with Ted dead and, gone all these years, they still bring him up and, use Chappaquiddick as their example of the "evil Dem's". The same can be said of Bill Clinton, he hasn't held a political office since he was president and, he was a good POTUS, yeah, he made a real ass of himself with Monica but, he did a good job other than that shit, what do the clowns remember, Monica and, only Monica.
No, he was never cleared, but was never prosecuted for his DUI and not attempting to rescue her.
Maybe you should look somewhere besides RW sites for your information.
The Chappaquiddick incident was a single-vehicle car accident on Chappaquiddick Island, Massachusetts, on Friday, July 18, 1969, that was the result of U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy's negligence and resulted in the death of his 28-year-old companion, Mary Jo Kopechne, who was trapped inside the vehicle.[1][2][3]
According to Kennedy's own testimony, he accidentally drove his car off the one-lane bridge and into a tidal channel. He swam free, vainly tried to rescue Kopechne, left the scene, and did not report the accident to authorities for ten hours. Meanwhile, Kopechne drowned in the vehicle that was submerged underwater. The next day, Kopechne's body and the car were both recovered by a diver. Kennedy pled guilty to a charge of leaving the scene of a crash causing personal injury; he later received a two-month suspended jail sentence.
The Chappaquiddick incident became a nationally-known scandal of the 1970s and likely influenced Kennedy's decision not to campaign for President in 1972 and 1976.
Considering the senate hasn't kicked anyone out since the 1860's he probably feels safe from any action by the ethics committee.
Moore has to go and so does Al.
I get it. Since you haven't really read or followed any of the accounts of Moore's victims (or have done but have decided that HIS accusers are all "fake news" while every Dem accuser is absolutely to be believed so ignore both the stories and their photographs or videos) you can pretend none of it happened. That is some moral free bubble to live in.
Why apologize for something you didn't do?
Oh, we're playing make-believe instead of facing up to the reality that Roy Moore is a monster while Al Franken is a bad boy by comparison.
By all means, use whatever ridiculous rationalization you need that helps you sleep at night.
We are all used to it by now.
Oh, and i knew you couldn't give a truly honest answer. One of those would show the glaring hypocrisy of this situation.
That may be true, what evidence to you have?
I personally find his comments repulsive, do you have more than that, or are you going off the accusations? Because I piss on the accusations.
You got a much better answer than your little make-believe deflection attempt was worth.
But swallow whole any accusation for people you hate. (And please don't come back with some BS about how you don't hate anyone; it's just silly and false). Why you people think you can get away with calling every woman on one side a liar and every one of them on the other pure truthtellers can only be explained by violating the CoC.
It is no C of C violation to ridicule or disclaim public figures who are not members. That is No. 1.
Unlike NV, H. Clinton can be called a bitch with no violation of the CofC.
H. Clinton is a big time bitch. She just won't go away.
And, for the record, you got something on Moore that we don't? If you do, spit it out!
Lol, like usual we got no cogent answer to the question. Instead we are offered the usual projecting, condescending drivel intended to insult that which is disagreed with.
SOSDD ...... bravo!
CIGARS......cigarettes !
Since that's a false premise the advice that follows isn't worth a bucket of scum.*
*here, not meant as a metaphor for Moore or his role model Trump.
Nah, it's spot on.
Try not to be so angry about it. You will live longer.
Nice decisive article, evidently the media and politicians are doing a good job dividing the masses for their own power and profit.
I see judging from their comments the liberals are back to their excuse making and defending sexual predators on the left.
Coming from a defender of Monster Moore that is disgustingly "funny."
I don't defend him. I just ask for evidence instead of relying on a kangaroo court.
Do you expect DNA? Video? Witnesses? Sounds like you have a threshold similar to a sharia court, hmmm why is that not a surprise. Have you asked moore to produce the underwear he was wearing, how many statements from people very familiar with his deviant behavior would you need to accept the obvious 5 , 10, 15? From what is available the numbers are easily achieved, but I expect you would still be in denial.
Actually sounds like a threshold of "Innocent until proven guilty". But what the hell, that's the old United States, right?
And, again, the evidence against Moore is the same that you have for the actual accusation against Franken--one woman's account of a forced kiss. The picture shows that there was no physical contact so stupid, yes; immature, yes; evidence of sexual abuse, not a bit. It's also the same for Weinstein. There are no other witnesses than the woman and Weinstein. There are no pics, no recording, nothing but the word of the women. So if you're prepared to give Weinstein a pass then you have to give all men accused of any unwelcome physical contact with women a pass, including Franken. It's your own fault that you tie yourself up in a know like this for having such a blatant double standard for what you accept as "evidence."
Calling all his accusers liars is defending him. Face it. You're shilling for goddam child molester.
There has been absolutely no evidence presented against Moore. Thus far, everything has been hearsay.
The photograph of Franken and what he was doing speaks for itself, because it is PROOF.
Hmmm does a whole city know that Franken has a history of doing this? Nope.
Yet the whole city knew about Moore and his penchant for young girls. He had a reputation for cruising the local mall when the teenagers were there, he also has a history of hitting on young girls....
Don't need a photo when the whole city knows you're a lecherous pervert.
Gadsden locals say Moore's predatory behavior at mall, restaurants not a secret
Demanding proof from his accusers who are making serious claims is not the same as defending him. But I bet you still think the Duke lacrosse team was guilty and Rolling Stone did nothing wrong.
Oh please, spare us the drama!
So what? If they’re above the age of consent, then they can date whomever they choose and any man can date them. That’s the point of having an age of consent.
Yeah. Nevermind al.com has had an article already about his reputation in Gadsden.
Come back when your blinders fall off.
No one here is defending what Al Franken actually did, it was inappropriate and a disgusting display of bad taste and a sexist attempt at a bad joke. All I hear any liberals here pointing out is that it in no way rises to the same level of vile behavior as sexually assaulting a 14 year old. It's the difference between pointing out that someone stole a candy bar is in no way the same as the guy who embezzled billions. Sadly, in our society the embezzler get's away with his crimes while the candy bar thief almost always has to pay for their crimes.
Apparently you are not reading comments by your liberal buddy's.
oh, and btw, the difference between Franken and Moore is that Franken's problems are actually backed up with photo's.
Moore is he said, she said.
"disclaimer", I think Moore is a pervert, but, there is no photograpic proof of that, it's just what I think of him.
I have read them, and none of them are saying that what Franken did was "appropriate and totally fine". They are agreeing that this was inappropriate and he should be put through an ethical review as even he requested (which of course no Republican has ever done when confronted by their bad behavior). But while conservatives are trying to equate Franken's actions to those of Judge Roy Moore's as if they somehow excuse him, liberals are pointing out that Franken's behavior towards an adult female is in NO WAY equivalent to the numerous accusations against Roy Moore including that of being a gross pedophile assaulting a 14 year old.
Interesting...
So, since she is an adult, she is worth less than a teenager?
Hitting on an adult, even if inappropriately, isn't pedophilia which is illegal. How are you not understanding this? And all the photo shows is Franken pretending to grab her chest, he didn't admit on tape that he just "grabs them by" the genitals as the President has. There are multiple other people in the room where that photo was taken, to claim Franken actually felt her up is ridiculous. Was it a tasteless inappropriate joke he should never have done? Yes, absolutely, but it's not sexually assaulting a 14 year old.
You mean the teenager that Moore sexually assaulted and who you consider "worthless" as source, a witness to the crime against her. BTW, the laws consider acts like this differently if the victim is a minor. Just a warning.
Oh, really? Quite a number of people on the left have stated on several seeds that:
To date, not one "liberal" has been able to prove beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law that Moore ever did that which he has been accused of doing.
If they like you then you can do no wrong and if they don’t like you then you can do nothing right. Principles have given way to politics so they will say anything and do anything to win.
I hope we learn that party affiliation doesn't prevent sexual harassment. A non partisan activity that must end.
it is amazing how fast the moral charges from the left have boomeranged back on the dems... seems to happen every time
lesson: do not throw stones in glass houses.
Maybe you should learn your own lesson?
How so...
If I have to spell it out to you then there is no reason to even try, you will never understand. Go on back to backwards world.
Their window are all broken so they can throw all the stones they wish.
If there's one thing the rightwing is never short on it's projection like that.
Even more amazing is that never happened. In the 24 hours since the Franken issue came up, there's been nothing but condemnation from democrats and liberals. What you're talking about his nobody's buying the rightwing BS that there's no difference between a rough, unwelcome kiss and molesting a 14 year old girl. What kind of gutter "morality" is that?
That's what I thought when I read those Trump tweets about Franken. I'm glad those juvenile insults have brought the scrutiny back to Trump. You don't think this is going away do you? Reading all the comments by men weighing in on what does and doesn't constitute sexual harassment against women and what the standards of proof need to be MAKES WOMEN'S POINTS! All this talk about 'why didn't they come forward at the time', when WE ALL KNOW NOBODY EVER WANTS TO BELIEVE IT! As if molesters/harassers pose aren't already experts in 'going undercover' (so to speak). One more time: THE VERY COMMENTS ON THIS SEED PROVE THE VICTIMS POINT! THAT IS WHY VICTIMS HAVE A PROBLEM COMING FORWARD IN THE FIRST PLACE!
The tide is turning (finally). I hope everybody who doubts the victims and goes balls to the wall to protect the perps pays close attention. This could be a learning moment to understand what women have had to deal with their whole lives. If your first instinct is to tell us to 'deal with it' or demand some proof (which is NEVER a requirement against an opponent), this is for you.
Jones is now leading Roy Moore by 8 points.
Wonder how much Franken will be leading by?
What race is he running in?
At least in that photo Franken is acting, it was his job on SNL. With Trump his mental illness is no act...
Is that Al Franken doing a skit or David Vitter on a usual Friday night?
I don't have to defend Franken. He's handling this the way a man should--taking his lumps. The real question is when are the rightwingers going to stop supporting their lying, chickenshit child molester?
A man? A real man would not be part of an inappropriate photo, however, a comedian would be part of an inappropriate joke.
A real man respects women....their mothers are women.
"to all the girls I've known before. Who walked in and out of my door". Women are special or can be. Mothers, daughters, grandmas, aunts.....you know, those who wipe your butt, teach you to feed yourself and someday, be a Dad yourself.
It isn't fair to women to degrade them and it isn't fair to men to accuse them unfairly.
These people can take care of themselves. They don't need us.
The only degrading going on at this moment is of the accusers of Roy Moore by republicans and their internet flying monkeys. As bad as you think Franken is, he's a monument of integrity compared to Moore and Trump. I hope you realize I'm saying that's a more a function of what low lifes those latter two are than how great Franken is.
That's your opinion.
I see that I've greatly overestimated you.
And you called Dems sore losers. Never fails.
OMG, putting WND POS article up and expecting it to be taken as anything but garbage is just what we'd expect about now. This would be the son of the man who Mrs. Young thanked in her video for supporting her. And, of course, this POS stepson who has no way of being either credible or knowledgeable is exactly the sort of thing that bottom-feeding WND would come up with. Norman, don't you realize how the rightwing smear machine works by now? This crap stinks so high that we can almost smell it before someone like you puts it up on places like this. We always know it's coming.
The stepson says he owes allegiance to his father, not his stepmother, and he understands why his father would protect his own wife but he still thinks she’s, in general, dishonest and manipulative. I don’t know either of them so why would I take the woman’s word when she may be just what he says she is?
Orchestrated fake accusations of child sexual abuse.
Anyone ever hear of Wenatchee WA?
Again, all accusations of this kind are either that or true whether it's Franken or Moore. Your move (but I already know what you're going to try to pull and it aintagonna fly, brother).
but I already know what you're going to try to pull and it aintagonna fly, brother
And what would that be?
I really doubt you know what I'm thinking or am gonna discuss. but I have to go visit the wife in the hospital and will take a look and see what you come up with when I get back.
Should be gone for a couple of hours which should be sufficient time to rub the crystal ball or whatever you had in mind before I get back....
I really want to read what you think I had in mind my friend...
Six hours later and this is what I expected,
Crickets........
What happened? your crystal ball blow a ethereal connection somewhere? Or, the great swami was out to lunch perhaps?
Crickets,
So you got me to wait while you visited your wife and now you're trying to claim I've disappeared. Nice play. Well, you've already done one of the things I expected and that's delay the process I guess so you can think up some other way to dodge around. But, in general, you would have end up equivocating around the idea that one set of accusers (e.g., against Moore or Trump are false accusers) and the other set of accusers against people you don't like never lie. But, see you've gotten me to take that away by giving what would have been your response so now you'll invent another one that you think might put you in a better light. But, it won't.
But, in general, you would have end up equivocating around the idea that one set of accusers (e.g., against Moore or Trump are false accusers) and the other set of accusers against people you don't like never lie.
WOW, hilarious.... you extrapolated all that you yourself? Out of thin air......
Had nothing to do with T-Rump or Moore or Mr Franken nor any of the others that have been variously accused.
But it did have something to do with the atmosphere such accusations create.... and how far they can go......
Nice play. Well, you've already done one of the things I expected and that's delay the process I guess so you can think up some other way to dodge around.
Wasn't a play, and wasn't a delay. Ad yes the wife is in the hospital, St Joseph's in Tacoma, Room 7B6 if you doubt. She's been there for two weeks. Four days in an induced coma. She was given a 50/50 chance of living through her problem. I's kinda happy today cause I was told that she will be coming home Monday afternoon. Not fast enough for her.
Delay, not hardly.
Any way, the issue I was going to post about was the psychology of the witch hunt . where one accusation leads to another which leads to another and another and another... Always no proof of anything except the accusation. In Wenatchee , forty-three adults were arrested on 29,726 charges of child sex abuse, involving 60 children and it made the national and international news. Essentially destroyed the Wenatchee community for years. The funny thing about it, is the people that were threatened and cajoled to make a deal and plead guilty and admit their culpability in exchange for lesser charges all got substantial jail time, and those who stood their ground and went through the trials were mostly all exonerated.
After that little exhibition of moral outrage combined with legal prejudice, I always demand proof, and a person sticking to their guns proclaiming their innocence carries as much weight as the person adamantly accusing without any provable basis except their claim.
You would have to have lived through it to understand it.
Or have just a little commons sense. The psychology of the witch hunt is worth noting.
Yep, much of what is being said here feels just like it did back then, some of it is actually chilling.
But such is why we have the legal doctrine of innocent until proven guilty. And the attitudes represented here are absolute justification for standing on that principle....
If all it takes is an accusation to force a resignation from Congress, then we can empty the place out in a few weeks.
And we separate true from false based on objective evidence. We have a photo of Franken and absolutely no evidence on Moore other than the accusations themselves. The accusations are so old that they can neither be proved nor disproved and I’m damn sure not going to believe somebody just because she’s a woman.
Gender has no basis here.
Also another legal doctrine comes into play...
"Mere repetition does not make veracity" 37 Wn. App. 768, STATE v. McDANIEL (the doctrine being applied in the State of Washington)
I recall it was in the 1990's, a mess of a child abuse case...lots of kids, lots of adults. Tragic from every angle.
P.S. Hope the visit with your wife was good.
The visit was good, she is being feisty, which is a very healthy sign for her..... She will be laid up for a while as she still has an open wound on her abdomen but they will be sending nurses out to do the after care. She should be coming home Monday....
As far as Wenatchee, yep, it was and still is a mess. But it illustrates the modern day witch hunt better than anything else, and some of the attitudes represented here are very reminiscent of that particular witch hunt.
People with nothing better to do that destroy others lives.....
Feisty is good! Glad to hear she's coming home soon. Between home health nursing and you, I pray she heals quickly.
Destruction being done for political reasoning is most abhorrent, while victims are pushed to the sidelines...perhaps wishing they'd remain silent.
Thank you for your prayers, and for those prayers from those that knew what was going on also.
They definitely helped....
I’m not sure what everybody is praying about but if you or someone close to you needs prayer, then I offer mine.
You do? So, you prayed already? What did you say in your prayer and how did you know what to say if you don't know what you're praying about?
Thank you sir. It is appreciated my friend......
I take it from the comments that I saw above that someone close to you has had a recent illness, I offer my prayers for a speedy recovery and, I will keep all of your loved ones in my thoughts.
Think the city of Gadsden Al. citizens who knew of Moore's penchant for underage girls for many years are false accusations?
Who said he had a penchant for “underage” girls? I thought they said he liked teenage girls over the age of consent. Those are two different things.
It seems to me that the ONLY one calling it a 'harmless joke' is the seeder.
This is certainly a necessary topic to discuss but it's been framed in a way as just another divisive seed rather than looking for constructive discussion.