Still not the tiniest bit of proof. Most voters know this was a left wing set up from the get go, since the liberals can't win anything without cheating and lies.
Seriously? He's ran for office 8 times before this. Now, when this is important to the Democrats, some woman comes forward with an accusation about something 30 years ago?
You know there are numerous reasons why she didn't come out in the past. It's all over the webs, I can fetch some for you, tomorrow. Whether she came out on her own, I don't know, could have been a Dem set-up. But then 8 more women came out who were not connected in any way and had the same stories, almost to the detail.
!. Judge Moore states that "CIVIL RIGHTS FOR BLACK is the worst thing that has ever happened in America.
2. This "goffus", race baiting Charlatans advocate that Transgender be Jailed.
3. "Gays" are anathema to God. He bases this on a story in the Old Testament, but, omits the larger story of LOT SLEEPING WITH ALL THREE of his daughters, implying that INCEST is approved by God.
4. As, an OFFICER of the COURT, 9 women have come forward, now, not because they want to destroy his bogus political career, but, because there is this EXPLOSION of women speaking out about SEXUAL ABUSE. The cultural at the moment is accepting of these allegations now, whereas, in my youth, the women were blamed, not the accuser.
5. Roy has been dismissed as a Judge, and as a State Appointed Judge. He is a BULL CHIP artist using the BIBLE to peddle his HATE.
6. Moore is a clown politician, like Trump, who disrespect the Constitution and the Separation of Church and Power.
7. These revelations are going forward in Business (Matt Lauer, Today Show, in the private sector, in churches, in politics at the local level and in POLITICS at the national level, thanks, in large part, to the horrific behavior of America's number one SEX PREDATO, Donald J. Trump.
We do not need another suspected SEXUAL PREDATOR in the Senate because Southerners are still "smarting" from the ass whooping they deservedly receive during the CIVIL WAR.
It is time for Rebel to STOP idolizing SLAVERY, legal rape, Jim Crow and religious bigotry.
It is? You do realize that Juanita Broadrick accused Bill Clinton of something he supposedly did 20 years earlier, and you all used it against Hillary 20 years after the accusation!
Several women, not with FAKE bible quotes, but, with documentations, witnesses and credibility. But, to the religious Evangelicals reality has little claim on them.
Some crimes are so heinous that the statute of limitation may not apply but, the stench of it still does. Roy Moore is a typical bible thumbing, con artist evangelical, know it all, committing crimes and wiping his slate clean with public displays of fake religiosity. He is not the first, or, last.
Trump is an expert at it, as well.
Time for those who call themselves Christians to stop reading the OLD TESTAMENT and concentrate on the Teaching of Christ, not, the words of Preachers who came to the Jesus after an all night drunk, when they realized that they could make a HELL OF A LOT MORE MONEY PREACHING than driving that semi-truck!
Hypocrites batter others with their FAKE CHRISTIANITY, neither practice, nor, understand the Teaching of Christ, only the "BABBLINGS OF THEIR ANGRY PREACHER MAN!"
That is why in the South they reduced the age of consent to 14. You see, it's simple, folks, Neanderthals did not go extinct! THEY JUST MIGRATED TO THE SOUTH and blended in with the Conservative Republicans!
I love your video! It's awesome! Your 'pal' Roy Moore lost two gov'ment jobs because he does not understand how to live a lifetime with others. I hope with all my heart that Alabama leaves him jobless. Incorrigible people need to go. . . somewhere else.
Evangelicals will now put Chester the Molester in the Senate. Time to admit the obvious, Evangelical Christianity in America died on Nov. 2016. All they are doing now is arguing about what to do with the corpse.
I guess he can sit at the democrats table with Al Franken, John Conyers and Al green and they can read from Ted Kennedy/Clinton playbook about how to keep attacking women and be worshipped by democratic voters.
It's amusing that the supporters of the democratic molester party would have the gall to attack anyone for supporting Roy Moore given their blind support for a party led by accused rapists, sexual assaulters and even a literal killer of a woman, but hypocrisy has never bothered them.
I guess democrats believe evangelicals are better people than they are.
Why go to dems playbook? Isn't Donald Trumps' and Clarence Thomas' enough for you? How proud you seem to brag about putting Chester the Molester into the Senate. At least I can stop listening to Republicans claiming the Religious Right. They have managed to kill American Christianity, all that's left is to dance on the grave.
Why so mad? You won! After decades of blind fealty to a Senator soliciting minors/assaulting women and even leaving one to die, the standards have decayed to the point where assaulting women is okay!. You should be happy that others are following your lead, yet you are mad at evangelicals for doing (if they believe the allegations) what you've always done. After decades of watching Democrats cheer and vote for rapists, sexual assaulters etc, others have followed your example. You've set the precedent, it's okay to assault (and even kill) women!
Feel proud! Revel in Trump, Revel in Moore! you've done all the dirty work to make it possible by blindly supporting anyone with a D after your name. Feel proud that your example has been adopted.
Unfortunately for your false equivalency, we didn't know that those pols were molesters, and now we are actually investigating them. You, otoh, know upfront who you are voting for, and, with malice and forethought, choose to do so anyway. The party of family values was always a joke, you're just putting the last nail in the coffin.
I guess democrats believe evangelicals are better people than they are.
Really? Has it come to this as the standard of fairness to women by the men and women if the Church? Then, it is time for judgment in the House of God!
That might be the most delusional statement of all time.
Kennedy was reported, in the media, as soliciting minor congressional pages and sexually assaulting a women in a restaurant in 1990 (not to mention leaving a woman to suffocate underwater and refused to get help for her in the 60s) .
How many more times was he reelected?
Clinton was being sued for harassment and the stories of his use of women were legion when he reelected. Allegations of rape and assault were ignored while he was in office.
Conyers, as Cokie Roberts just said, has been known as an Washington as assaulter of women for decades. Democrats did nothing as harassment claims were settled.
The idea that democrats didn't know what they were accused of when they supported them is simply a lie. Your dishonesty should embarrass you. Just admit you support rapists and assorted sex offenders when a D is after their name. At least then you'd be honest.
Oh, so rape and sexual assault are okay, but allegations of sexual abuse from 40 years ago, that's an issue for you?
Too bad for you Micheal Kelly reported that Ted Kennedy solicited underage congressional pages. Democrats didn't care. Find another arbitrary line to justify why think rape and assault are okay.
The Trump base which is present and accounted for is giving Roy Moore a pass, because President Trump is a hammer and Moore will be his "shiny" new nail! Conservatives without Consciences. Lord, have mercy.
Roy Moore is not being tried in a court of law. It is more a a political 'court.'And, conservatives have 'retired' their consciences!! Casting about for other people's sexual misconduct can not change or fix what is wrong with a "wannabe" rejected member of the Alabama court system. Where are the majority moderate Republicans when we need them? WAKE UP!
As for consciences, I'd feel pretty lousy if I convicted someone on the bases of he said she said without an actual trial, only to find out that what the accuser said wasn't true.
Remember the Duke Lacrosse incident ?
Richard Jewell being found guilty in the court of public opinion ?
Now the Democrats are rushing to get the "Now approved to vote" felons signed up to vote as quickly as possible in the waning days of this election.
Then proceed. You have so many alternative comebacks. Just do it. Help elect Roy Moore. /s It does say something about Alabama conservatives that they persist in an attempt to elect a man to high office who is not fit for state office x2.
As far as who is signing up to vote as democrats simply apply your own thinking: "He say-she say" does not make one guilty in a court of law.
True but is it a disingenuous comment? You do realize the people in that era didn't live as long and got married, had kids at a much earlier age right?
What is normal today certainly wasn't normal back then.
In what way? Mary became pregnant when she was an unmarried teenager. That was not only frowned upon in ancient times, but it could have gotten her stoned.
Just as we frown upon unmarried, pregnant teens today, so did the people 2000 years ago
Teenage pregnancy was the norm back then. That is irrefutable. Now if he had said "God knocked Mary up" and not "God knocked up Mary when she was a teen" the comment would have been more forthright and not purposely misleading.
It doesn't prove me wrong. Your own link even says that Joseph found out about her pregnancy and wanted to divorce her quietly. What do you think the community would have done to her if Joseph had accomplished that?
And I want to say...who is being disingenuous now? They may have been betrothed and signed a contract but were not married. A marriage was only a true marriage once it was consummated and that didin't occur until after the actual wedding ceremony.
She's still an unwed, pregnant teenager no matter how you slice it
Nope, i disagree. That is clearly not what it said.
though betrothed, were considered as husband and wife by Jewish customs even though the actual marriage ceremony had not been fully effectuated. So, Joseph and Mary were actually legally married before the birth of Jesus though their marriage was not consummated physically until after His birth.
I guess this is good time to stop this exchange. I see nothing productive coming from it going forward.
Too bad. This discussion was heading towards Adam and Eve's definition of family reunion. The bible is why extremist xtian cults have no issues with incest, molesting underage girls, or slavery. They feel entitled.
What lie? Lot offered up his daughters to the townspeople to rape, he had sex with both his daughters, and the Bible is chock full of slavery, as well as massacres. There was no legal age at the time.
How I feel about Muslims has nothing to do with this. I was answering the marine who claimed something was a lie. It wasn't, and while context does matter (as Lot's daughters seduced their father because they thought they were the only humans left), the original claim was not a lie. The bible is full of good moral lessons and horrible ones. You have to read the whole thing.
Paul wasn't Jesus so I don't understand why anyone follows his teachings
All righty then, done with mocking Paul...on to the lesson
Do you know what the Pentecost is? It's when the ring of fire (the Holy Spirit) came down upon the apostle's heads and they all began speaking in "tongues". Tongues in the bible means the languages of the day, Greek, Hebrew, Latin, Aramaic, Sumerian, etc. It doesn't mean speaking in gibberish which is what the Pentecostals want you to believe. They got it all wrong
I liked the poison drinkers best, then the snake handlers. The holy rollers and gibberish babblers are entertaining, but lack the life or death test of faith. The recent trend seems to be somewhat more random, but still adheres somewhat to the traditional faith testing mentality. If someone goes to church, they now risk becoming the next shooting victim of a shunned ex-family member.
what do you think of Muslim female genital mutiliation?
questions remained about the extent to which religious freedom can be used to defend a practice many human rights groups say is a barbaric and misogynistic form of sexual abuse.
I don't know what that has to do with the activities of religious nuts in American churches, but I'm against it. Curious how males of both religions are so obsessed with regulating any decisions concerning women's vaginas though, isn't it? I think the similarities between the extremists of both religions far outweigh their differences. The vehicles may be different, but the destinations seem to be the same.
What do you think of parents that deny their sick children life saving medical treatments and instead choose a spiritual solution that leads to the death of their child through neglect?
Paul never met Jesus in the flesh. You have to trust that what Paul says is true about his conversion on the road from Damascus. I also distrust any body that says they got the word straight from God himself.
This is why I'm an agnostic, but that doesn't mean I don't know a thing or two about the bible
p.s. I see you can't dispute what I said about Pentecost
Honor killings and what groups like Jehovah Witness do in not taking blood transfusions are not the same thing, guys! Not that I approve at all of either actions.
Hi Trout! We believers do have to accept the validity of the New Testament as it is compiled. In doing so, Jesus is listed as making significant contact with Paul and later on Paul makes a journey to Jerusalem (Acts 21) to make contact with the original disciples become Apostles. This is Paul's external "commission" to take the gospel to the Gentiles (non-Jewish nations). That would be the bulk of humanity.
Regarding speaking in tongues. Trout I would like to share the following verses from 1 Corinthians 14 in the Berean Literal Bible due to the long length I will include but not display the entirety on tongues.
1 Earnestly pursue love, and earnestly desire spiritual gifts, and especially that you might prophesy. 2 For the one speaking in a tongue speaks not to men, but to God. For no one hears, but in the Spirit he utters mysteries. 3 But the one prophesying speaks to men for edification and encouragement and consolation. 4 The one speaking in a tongue edifies himself, but the one prophesying edifies the church.
5 Now I desire you all to speak in tongues, but rather that you should prophesy. Now the one prophesying is greater than the one speaking in tongues, unless he should interpret, so that the church might receive edification.
6 But now brothers, if I should come to you speaking in tongues, what will I profit you, unless I should speak to you either in revelation, or in knowledge, or in prophecy, or in teaching? 7 Even lifeless things giving a sound, whether the flute or harp, unless they give distinction to the sounds, how will it be known what is being piped or being harped?
8 And indeed if the trumpet gives an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle? 9 So also you, unless you give intelligible speech with the tongue, how will it be known what is being spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.
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13 Therefore he who speaks in a tongue, let him pray that he might interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
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20 Brothers, do not be children in the minds. Yet in the evil, be little children; but in the thinking, be full grown. 21 In the Law it has been written: “By other tongues, and by other lips, I will speak to this people, and not even thus will they hear Me, says the Lord.” a
22 So then, tongues are for a sign, not to those believing, but to the unbelieving; but prophecy is not to the unbelieving, but to the believing.
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27 If anyone speaks with a tongue, let it be by two or the most three, and in turn; and let one interpret. 28 But if there is no interpreter, let him be silent in the church, and let him speak to himself and to God.
To summarize: 1. Tongues are for a sign to unbelievers as displayed by a speaker speaking in a language not his or her own. 2. Tongues are a form of spiritual edification between the speaker and God.
What the above video on the topic demonstrates is a child mimicking the adults around her. Also, it is a clear demonstration of what Paul calls "speaking into the air" (v. 8) since no interpretation is being offered. And the English words scattered between are of no significance.
Hope this helps! I write this quickly. So I may have left some points that are important out. Let me know if you have comments or questions for me.
8.2.1.1.… devangelical replied to Sunshine @ 8.2.1.1.… 5 hours ago What do you think of parents that deny their sick children life saving medical treatments and instead choose a spiritual solution that leads to the death of their child through neglect?
Also, what goes on in the cultural and political realms in the Middle East are not the experience we have in the cultural and political realms in the United States. At least, not so far! I, we, can be forgiven for not speaking to every exception or situation in the world!
So I'm not all wrong. We were taught in RCIA that when the Holy Spirit descended on the apostles and they began speaking in tongues it was so that they could go forth and spread the gospel in neighboring countries and those who didn't speak Aramaic or whatever common language the apostles spoke
And these Pentecostals who claim they are filled with the Holy Spirit because they are speaking gibberish are basically full of shit if they have no interpreter? Yes?
And these Pentecostals who claim they are filled with the Holy Spirit because they are speaking gibberish are basically full of shit if they have no interpreter? Yes?
Er, yes. These Pentecostals are misinterpreting New Testament scripture on tongues. To be clear, the Holy Spirit never speaks gibberish.
I Corinthians 14
18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19 But in the church, I would rather speak five coherent words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue. — Paul.
Sounds plausible to me. I once attended an Evangelical Church with a friend of mine who was dying and wanted to get their blessings. He wanted someone to tag along, and, although born Jewish, he converted to the Evangelical view because he played the guitar and sang off key.
It was like watching a COVEN OF WITCHES sitting in a circle and speaking in "Tongues". No one knew who they were speaking to, or, in fact what they were saying. But, I got the point - The hated gays, liberals, Jews, Catholics and anyone that wasn't them, but, they LOVED THEIR JESUS!
No, not God that has me in a "tizzy", I speak to him often, and, once he spoke to me "clear as a bell". HE SAID: "I can only do good"! Meaning that HE, GOD, could only do good.
Few religious institution do good at anything but making money by taking it from the poor, the sick, the lame and needy who need it more.
According to whom? To a manuscript that was written three hundred years after Jesus was born and included in the Bible by the Council of Nicene under Constantine's orders? All other know Apostles where banned and burned. Is that the work of God or of Man?
There is no defense. Religious rites, like most "rituals" are designed for subservience. Hitler consider himself a Christian and was very big on rituals.
13 Then they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Him in order to trap Him in a statement. 14 They came and said to Him, “Teacher, we know that You are truthful and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any, but teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to pay a poll-tax to Caesar, or not? 15 “Shall we pay or shall we not pay?” But He, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, “Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius to look at.” 16 They brought one. And He said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” And they said to Him, “Caesar’s.” 17 And Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were amazed at Him.
Hermaneutic explanation:
Give unto God that thing that is in his authority to do. In ancient Israel, a woman of virtue (specifically in childbirth) required the covering of a man and his family name under Jewish law. That meant marriage even at an early age. Mary, the mother of Jesus' honored Jewish law. Give unto Caesar that thing that is in his authority to demand. Ancient Rome had its own rules and customs about marriage, I'd imagine different from the Jewish nation. The Romans deferred to the Jewish nation for the carrying out of Jewish marriages.
Now then, our States (federal and local) has rules and laws regarding "legal age of consent." District Attorney General R. Moore certainly would have known of these rules and laws as he was trained and positioned to apply them to others in Alabama. This is where our concern against Roy Moore derives. Did he apply a double-standard; did he break Alabama law; is he fit to continue serving the public.
I CAN ATTEST TO THAT. I once, during my college years, worked at the New Jersey State Hospital in Morris plains, and, on by very first day, I, inadvertently, let a patient from the "Chronic Wade" escape.
Several women, not with FAKE bible quotes, but, with documentations, witnesses and credibility. But, to the religious Evangelicals reality has little claim on them.
That is why in the South they reduced the age of consent to 14. You see, it's simple, folks, Neanderthals did not go extinct! THEY JUST MIGRATED TO THE SOUTH and blended in with the Conservative Republicans!
We've got a Sex Predator in the White House. We need one in the Senate! Roy would make a great one.
Ya, and let's bring back Denny Hastert and Tony Weiner !!!
Good Thinking, Pat Wilson! I will get right on it.
No worries here. If Moore can carry the day, it is irrefutable proof that the 'gawd people' of the bible belts can deliver the goods, soiled or not.
I guess Gawd was drunk, agin.!
Hard to believe this was four months ago. It seems like a century.
Still not the tiniest bit of proof. Most voters know this was a left wing set up from the get go, since the liberals can't win anything without cheating and lies.
Only in your wet dreams.
Seriously? He's ran for office 8 times before this. Now, when this is important to the Democrats, some woman comes forward with an accusation about something 30 years ago?
You know there are numerous reasons why she didn't come out in the past. It's all over the webs, I can fetch some for you, tomorrow. Whether she came out on her own, I don't know, could have been a Dem set-up. But then 8 more women came out who were not connected in any way and had the same stories, almost to the detail.
Soooo.....
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Uncle Bruce:
!. Judge Moore states that "CIVIL RIGHTS FOR BLACK is the worst thing that has ever happened in America.
2. This "goffus", race baiting Charlatans advocate that Transgender be Jailed.
3. "Gays" are anathema to God. He bases this on a story in the Old Testament, but, omits the larger story of LOT SLEEPING WITH ALL THREE of his daughters, implying that INCEST is approved by God.
4. As, an OFFICER of the COURT, 9 women have come forward, now, not because they want to destroy his bogus political career, but, because there is this EXPLOSION of women speaking out about SEXUAL ABUSE. The cultural at the moment is accepting of these allegations now, whereas, in my youth, the women were blamed, not the accuser.
5. Roy has been dismissed as a Judge, and as a State Appointed Judge. He is a BULL CHIP artist using the BIBLE to peddle his HATE.
6. Moore is a clown politician, like Trump, who disrespect the Constitution and the Separation of Church and Power.
7. These revelations are going forward in Business (Matt Lauer, Today Show, in the private sector, in churches, in politics at the local level and in POLITICS at the national level, thanks, in large part, to the horrific behavior of America's number one SEX PREDATO, Donald J. Trump.
We do not need another suspected SEXUAL PREDATOR in the Senate because Southerners are still "smarting" from the ass whooping they deservedly receive during the CIVIL WAR.
It is time for Rebel to STOP idolizing SLAVERY, legal rape, Jim Crow and religious bigotry.
I expect if a righties daughter said it was moore they would be pleased, like having the king draw them into the concubine fold.
It is? You do realize that Juanita Broadrick accused Bill Clinton of something he supposedly did 20 years earlier, and you all used it against Hillary 20 years after the accusation!
My favorite "Wet Dream" is watching the entire Trump Family meet their cell mates.
Several women, not with FAKE bible quotes, but, with documentations, witnesses and credibility. But, to the religious Evangelicals reality has little claim on them.
Some crimes are so heinous that the statute of limitation may not apply but, the stench of it still does. Roy Moore is a typical bible thumbing, con artist evangelical, know it all, committing crimes and wiping his slate clean with public displays of fake religiosity. He is not the first, or, last.
Trump is an expert at it, as well.
Time for those who call themselves Christians to stop reading the OLD TESTAMENT and concentrate on the Teaching of Christ, not, the words of Preachers who came to the Jesus after an all night drunk, when they realized that they could make a HELL OF A LOT MORE MONEY PREACHING than driving that semi-truck!
Hypocrites batter others with their FAKE CHRISTIANITY, neither practice, nor, understand the Teaching of Christ, only the "BABBLINGS OF THEIR ANGRY PREACHER MAN!"
That is why in the South they reduced the age of consent to 14. You see, it's simple, folks, Neanderthals did not go extinct! THEY JUST MIGRATED TO THE SOUTH and blended in with the Conservative Republicans!
Really, well, what say you now?
I love your video! It's awesome! Your 'pal' Roy Moore lost two gov'ment jobs because he does not understand how to live a lifetime with others. I hope with all my heart that Alabama leaves him jobless. Incorrigible people need to go. . . somewhere else.
Yep, Roy is a regular Geni-ass!
Evangelicals will now put Chester the Molester in the Senate. Time to admit the obvious, Evangelical Christianity in America died on Nov. 2016. All they are doing now is arguing about what to do with the corpse.
I guess he can sit at the democrats table with Al Franken, John Conyers and Al green and they can read from Ted Kennedy/Clinton playbook about how to keep attacking women and be worshipped by democratic voters.
It's amusing that the supporters of the democratic molester party would have the gall to attack anyone for supporting Roy Moore given their blind support for a party led by accused rapists, sexual assaulters and even a literal killer of a woman, but hypocrisy has never bothered them.
I guess democrats believe evangelicals are better people than they are.
Why go to dems playbook? Isn't Donald Trumps' and Clarence Thomas' enough for you? How proud you seem to brag about putting Chester the Molester into the Senate. At least I can stop listening to Republicans claiming the Religious Right. They have managed to kill American Christianity, all that's left is to dance on the grave.
Why so mad? You won! After decades of blind fealty to a Senator soliciting minors/assaulting women and even leaving one to die, the standards have decayed to the point where assaulting women is okay!. You should be happy that others are following your lead, yet you are mad at evangelicals for doing (if they believe the allegations) what you've always done. After decades of watching Democrats cheer and vote for rapists, sexual assaulters etc, others have followed your example. You've set the precedent, it's okay to assault (and even kill) women!
Feel proud! Revel in Trump, Revel in Moore! you've done all the dirty work to make it possible by blindly supporting anyone with a D after your name. Feel proud that your example has been adopted.
Unfortunately for your false equivalency, we didn't know that those pols were molesters, and now we are actually investigating them. You, otoh, know upfront who you are voting for, and, with malice and forethought, choose to do so anyway. The party of family values was always a joke, you're just putting the last nail in the coffin.
Are the republicans giving a free pass to moore for no other reason than the R after his name? No one you mentioned was a pedophile.
Really? Has it come to this as the standard of fairness to women by the men and women if the Church? Then, it is time for judgment in the House of God!
That might be the most delusional statement of all time.
Kennedy was reported, in the media, as soliciting minor congressional pages and sexually assaulting a women in a restaurant in 1990 (not to mention leaving a woman to suffocate underwater and refused to get help for her in the 60s) .
How many more times was he reelected?
Clinton was being sued for harassment and the stories of his use of women were legion when he reelected. Allegations of rape and assault were ignored while he was in office.
Conyers, as Cokie Roberts just said, has been known as an Washington as assaulter of women for decades. Democrats did nothing as harassment claims were settled.
The idea that democrats didn't know what they were accused of when they supported them is simply a lie. Your dishonesty should embarrass you. Just admit you support rapists and assorted sex offenders when a D is after their name. At least then you'd be honest.
No one you mentioned was a pedophile.
Oh, so rape and sexual assault are okay, but allegations of sexual abuse from 40 years ago, that's an issue for you?
Too bad for you Micheal Kelly reported that Ted Kennedy solicited underage congressional pages. Democrats didn't care. Find another arbitrary line to justify why think rape and assault are okay.
The Trump base which is present and accounted for is giving Roy Moore a pass, because President Trump is a hammer and Moore will be his "shiny" new nail! Conservatives without Consciences. Lord, have mercy.
Most folks believe in the rule of LAW !
"INNOCENT".....until proven Guilty. How is that now ONLY on the Trump Voters again ?
I figured EVERYONE believed in that FACT in this country.
At least Al has actual Pictures showing he's guilty as accused.
When did things change to "GUILTY"....until proven Innocent !
Roy Moore is not being tried in a court of law. It is more a a political 'court.' And, conservatives have 'retired' their consciences!! Casting about for other people's sexual misconduct can not change or fix what is wrong with a "wannabe" rejected member of the Alabama court system. Where are the majority moderate Republicans when we need them? WAKE UP!
No such thing in the constitution.
As for consciences, I'd feel pretty lousy if I convicted someone on the bases of he said she said without an actual trial, only to find out that what the accuser said wasn't true.
Remember the Duke Lacrosse incident ?
Richard Jewell being found guilty in the court of public opinion ?
Now the Democrats are rushing to get the "Now approved to vote" felons signed up to vote as quickly as possible in the waning days of this election.
Then proceed. You have so many alternative comebacks. Just do it. Help elect Roy Moore. /s It does say something about Alabama conservatives that they persist in an attempt to elect a man to high office who is not fit for state office x2.
As far as who is signing up to vote as democrats simply apply your own thinking: "He say-she say" does not make one guilty in a court of law.
OKAY..... I WILL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"He say-she say" does not make one guilty in a court of law."
I think I already said that. Deja-vu ?
Why, of course, one has to study up on these thing, or, else they would be RE-PURITANS!
Well, that would be a great place for "Chester The Molester". He will be in good company!
God knocked up Mary when she was a teen. Anything goes.
That comment was low and uncalled for.
If you believe in the bible, then you know it's the truth
True but is it a disingenuous comment? You do realize the people in that era didn't live as long and got married, had kids at a much earlier age right?
What is normal today certainly wasn't normal back then.
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Then you aren't disputing what Hal said
Not at all because i'm sure it's true.
I'm saying the comment was disingenuous because it is.
Disingenuous as hell.
In what way? Mary became pregnant when she was an unmarried teenager. That was not only frowned upon in ancient times, but it could have gotten her stoned.
Just as we frown upon unmarried, pregnant teens today, so did the people 2000 years ago
Teenage pregnancy was the norm back then. That is irrefutable. Now if he had said "God knocked Mary up" and not "God knocked up Mary when she was a teen" the comment would have been more forthright and not purposely misleading.
But he didn't and there you go
Yes, teenagers got pregnant back in those days....because they were MARRIED!
Mary was unwed. A stoning offense
Not true.
Mary married?
Things were much different back then.
According to the New Testament, Joseph had to be persuaded to marry her after he learned of her pregnancy.
Didn't you ever go to Sunday School?
I sure did but i never believed half the shit they were shoveling.
What's matter? Have a problem with the link i provided that proves you wrong?
It doesn't prove me wrong. Your own link even says that Joseph found out about her pregnancy and wanted to divorce her quietly. What do you think the community would have done to her if Joseph had accomplished that?
And I want to say...who is being disingenuous now? They may have been betrothed and signed a contract but were not married. A marriage was only a true marriage once it was consummated and that didin't occur until after the actual wedding ceremony.
She's still an unwed, pregnant teenager no matter how you slice it
Nope, i disagree. That is clearly not what it said.
I guess this is good time to stop this exchange. I see nothing productive coming from it going forward.
That is what it said and I agree that we need to stop.
Too bad. This discussion was heading towards Adam and Eve's definition of family reunion. The bible is why extremist xtian cults have no issues with incest, molesting underage girls, or slavery. They feel entitled.
Sparty On called for an impasse and I respect his wishes. I actually like Sparty because we have a good report most of the time
What lie? Lot offered up his daughters to the townspeople to rape, he had sex with both his daughters, and the Bible is chock full of slavery, as well as massacres. There was no legal age at the time.
How I feel about Muslims has nothing to do with this. I was answering the marine who claimed something was a lie. It wasn't, and while context does matter (as Lot's daughters seduced their father because they thought they were the only humans left), the original claim was not a lie. The bible is full of good moral lessons and horrible ones. You have to read the whole thing.
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Have the vag to actually say what you wanna say. Don't just hit a reply to me and leave a dot. That's cowardly. Either skip on by or say something
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Just like so many on here believe they are Constitutional scholars as many believe they are Biblical scholars.
Yes, God impregnated Mary, who was 14 at the time and a virgin, allow she was married to Joseph who wasn't.
There is a God now?
In the Holy Babble there is.
I thought the Bible was babble to you.
It never happened right? God didn't knock up anyone.
Speaking of holy babble ...
that speaking in tongues is all bullshit
Another group that misinterpreted the bible....
there are snake handlers too, all kinds of stuff....but what do you care?
You;re a Paulist?
Explains a lot
Paul wasn't Jesus so I don't understand why anyone follows his teachings
All righty then, done with mocking Paul...on to the lesson
Do you know what the Pentecost is? It's when the ring of fire (the Holy Spirit) came down upon the apostle's heads and they all began speaking in "tongues". Tongues in the bible means the languages of the day, Greek, Hebrew, Latin, Aramaic, Sumerian, etc. It doesn't mean speaking in gibberish which is what the Pentecostals want you to believe. They got it all wrong
There are, actually, some who speak in tongues!
that's not speaking in "tongues"
It's some kind of call. It's not speakin tongues
but what do you care?
I care about your mental health. Really, I do.
I care about yours too. Seems God has you in quite a tizzy.
I liked the poison drinkers best, then the snake handlers. The holy rollers and gibberish babblers are entertaining, but lack the life or death test of faith. The recent trend seems to be somewhat more random, but still adheres somewhat to the traditional faith testing mentality. If someone goes to church, they now risk becoming the next shooting victim of a shunned ex-family member.
what do you think of Muslim female genital mutiliation?
questions remained about the extent to which religious freedom can be used to defend a practice many human rights groups say is a barbaric and misogynistic form of sexual abuse.
I don't know what that has to do with the activities of religious nuts in American churches, but I'm against it. Curious how males of both religions are so obsessed with regulating any decisions concerning women's vaginas though, isn't it? I think the similarities between the extremists of both religions far outweigh their differences. The vehicles may be different, but the destinations seem to be the same.
what is the difference? do they not worship a diety? the comments where about religious rituals. same with religious nuts in American Mosque.
one may be obsessed and the other actually practices it.
Same deity in that church and mosque.
What do you think of parents that deny their sick children life saving medical treatments and instead choose a spiritual solution that leads to the death of their child through neglect?
well that is absolutely horrible. wouldn't you agree? Just like honor killings. Truly sad.
Paul never met Jesus in the flesh. You have to trust that what Paul says is true about his conversion on the road from Damascus. I also distrust any body that says they got the word straight from God himself.
This is why I'm an agnostic, but that doesn't mean I don't know a thing or two about the bible
p.s. I see you can't dispute what I said about Pentecost
Honor killings....yeah, very sad.....happens in churches and mosques as well!
Honor killings and what groups like Jehovah Witness do in not taking blood transfusions are not the same thing, guys! Not that I approve at all of either actions.
So the fact that an Israeli Christian father killed his daughter because she fell in love with a Muslim back In July doesn' count huh?
Hi Trout! We believers do have to accept the validity of the New Testament as it is compiled. In doing so, Jesus is listed as making significant contact with Paul and later on Paul makes a journey to Jerusalem (Acts 21) to make contact with the original disciples become Apostles. This is Paul's external "commission" to take the gospel to the Gentiles (non-Jewish nations). That would be the bulk of humanity.
Regarding speaking in tongues. Trout I would like to share the following verses from 1 Corinthians 14 in the Berean Literal Bible due to the long length I will include but not display the entirety on tongues.
1 Earnestly pursue love, and earnestly desire spiritual gifts, and especially that you might prophesy. 2 For the one speaking in a tongue speaks not to men, but to God. For no one hears, but in the Spirit he utters mysteries. 3 But the one prophesying speaks to men for edification and encouragement and consolation. 4 The one speaking in a tongue edifies himself, but the one prophesying edifies the church.
5 Now I desire you all to speak in tongues, but rather that you should prophesy. Now the one prophesying is greater than the one speaking in tongues, unless he should interpret, so that the church might receive edification.
6 But now brothers, if I should come to you speaking in tongues, what will I profit you, unless I should speak to you either in revelation, or in knowledge, or in prophecy, or in teaching? 7 Even lifeless things giving a sound, whether the flute or harp, unless they give distinction to the sounds, how will it be known what is being piped or being harped?
8 And indeed if the trumpet gives an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle? 9 So also you, unless you give intelligible speech with the tongue, how will it be known what is being spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.
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13 Therefore he who speaks in a tongue, let him pray that he might interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
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20 Brothers, do not be children in the minds. Yet in the evil, be little children; but in the thinking, be full grown. 21 In the Law it has been written: “By other tongues, and by other lips, I will speak to this people, and not even thus will they hear Me, says the Lord.” a
22 So then, tongues are for a sign, not to those believing, but to the unbelieving; but prophecy is not to the unbelieving, but to the believing.
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27 If anyone speaks with a tongue, let it be by two or the most three, and in turn; and let one interpret. 28 But if there is no interpreter, let him be silent in the church, and let him speak to himself and to God.
To summarize: 1. Tongues are for a sign to unbelievers as displayed by a speaker speaking in a language not his or her own. 2. Tongues are a form of spiritual edification between the speaker and God.
What the above video on the topic demonstrates is a child mimicking the adults around her. Also, it is a clear demonstration of what Paul calls "speaking into the air" (v. 8) since no interpretation is being offered. And the English words scattered between are of no significance.
Hope this helps! I write this quickly. So I may have left some points that are important out. Let me know if you have comments or questions for me.
I am addressing the thread from:
8.2.1.1.… devangelical replied to Sunshine @ 8.2.1.1.… 5 hours ago What do you think of parents that deny their sick children life saving medical treatments and instead choose a spiritual solution that leads to the death of their child through neglect?
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8.2.1.1.… Willjay9 replied to Sunshine @ 8.2.1.1.… 3 hours ago Honor killings....yeah, very sad.....happens in churches and mosques as well!
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Also, what goes on in the cultural and political realms in the Middle East are not the experience we have in the cultural and political realms in the United States. At least, not so far! I, we, can be forgiven for not speaking to every exception or situation in the world!
Thank-you for that explanation.
So I'm not all wrong. We were taught in RCIA that when the Holy Spirit descended on the apostles and they began speaking in tongues it was so that they could go forth and spread the gospel in neighboring countries and those who didn't speak Aramaic or whatever common language the apostles spoke
And these Pentecostals who claim they are filled with the Holy Spirit because they are speaking gibberish are basically full of shit if they have no interpreter? Yes?
Addendum: Forgive me for not asking above, did this honor killing happen in the United States or abroad?
Can I add that many US Muslim families send their daughters overseas also for FMG.
Er, yes. These Pentecostals are misinterpreting New Testament scripture on tongues. To be clear, the Holy Spirit never speaks gibberish.
I Corinthians 14
18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19 But in the church, I would rather speak five coherent words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue. — Paul.
I thought so!
I'm not totally biblically stupid for an agnostic
Smile.
I tried speaking in tongues, but, she said, "Stop that. No talking. Keep doing what you're doing, but, shut up"!
There has always been a GOD, BUT, ORGANIZED RELIGIONS get God confused with Making Money!
Sounds plausible to me. I once attended an Evangelical Church with a friend of mine who was dying and wanted to get their blessings. He wanted someone to tag along, and, although born Jewish, he converted to the Evangelical view because he played the guitar and sang off key.
It was like watching a COVEN OF WITCHES sitting in a circle and speaking in "Tongues". No one knew who they were speaking to, or, in fact what they were saying. But, I got the point - The hated gays, liberals, Jews, Catholics and anyone that wasn't them, but, they LOVED THEIR JESUS!
No, not God that has me in a "tizzy", I speak to him often, and, once he spoke to me "clear as a bell". HE SAID: "I can only do good"! Meaning that HE, GOD, could only do good.
Few religious institution do good at anything but making money by taking it from the poor, the sick, the lame and needy who need it more.
Murder, patricide is a despicable crime. Why any religion would advocate it, escapes me. I would avoid those institutions!
Look at how the Catholic Church turned out.
According to whom? To a manuscript that was written three hundred years after Jesus was born and included in the Bible by the Council of Nicene under Constantine's orders? All other know Apostles where banned and burned. Is that the work of God or of Man?
There is no defense. Religious rites, like most "rituals" are designed for subservience. Hitler consider himself a Christian and was very big on rituals.
The context (exegesis):
13 Then they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Him in order to trap Him in a statement. 14 They came and said to Him, “Teacher, we know that You are truthful and defer to no one; for You are not partial to any, but teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to pay a poll-tax to Caesar, or not? 15 “Shall we pay or shall we not pay?” But He, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, “Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius to look at.” 16 They brought one. And He said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” And they said to Him, “Caesar’s.” 17 And Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were amazed at Him.
Hermaneutic explanation:
Give unto God that thing that is in his authority to do. In ancient Israel, a woman of virtue (specifically in childbirth) required the covering of a man and his family name under Jewish law. That meant marriage even at an early age. Mary, the mother of Jesus' honored Jewish law. Give unto Caesar that thing that is in his authority to demand. Ancient Rome had its own rules and customs about marriage, I'd imagine different from the Jewish nation. The Romans deferred to the Jewish nation for the carrying out of Jewish marriages.
Now then, our States (federal and local) has rules and laws regarding "legal age of consent." District Attorney General R. Moore certainly would have known of these rules and laws as he was trained and positioned to apply them to others in Alabama. This is where our concern against Roy Moore derives. Did he apply a double-standard; did he break Alabama law; is he fit to continue serving the public.
There is no comparison here, in my opinion.
No, he is not fit to serve in any capacity, except as a prisoner for assaulting teenage girls.
Well, so did Lot. He knocked up all three of his daughters, so, Incest must be OK.
Well, so did Lot. He knocked up all three of his daughters, so, Incest must be OK.
I CAN ATTEST TO THAT. I once, during my college years, worked at the New Jersey State Hospital in Morris plains, and, on by very first day, I, inadvertently, let a patient from the "Chronic Wade" escape.
Today, that man is president!
Several women, not with FAKE bible quotes, but, with documentations, witnesses and credibility. But, to the religious Evangelicals reality has little claim on them.
Murder, patricide is a despicable crime. Why any religion would advocate it, escapes me. I would avoid those institutions!
That is why in the South they reduced the age of consent to 14. You see, it's simple, folks, Neanderthals did not go extinct! THEY JUST MIGRATED TO THE SOUTH and blended in with the Conservative Republicans!