Shithole President with his "shithole" countries
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/politics/immigrants-shithole-countries-trump/index.html
What else is there to say when your president talks about "shithole" countries?
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/politics/immigrants-shithole-countries-trump/index.html
What else is there to say when your president talks about "shithole" countries?
Just saw this:
I just don't care. How does talking about this garbage help the country? How does this address the problem of immigration? True or false, this is nothing more than gossip and proof that the Left doesn't actually want to solve the problem. They would much rather keep it as an issue that only they can solve and spreading this stupid story around is intended solely to sabotage any deal that might be proposed.
This was a private meeting where, I assume, it was expected that people interested in actually solving the problem could speak candidly without fear of someone in the room running out to the press and tattling on them for using a dirty word. Why would anyone negotiate with such people ever again when they can't be trusted to use a little discretion on behalf of the country?
You think Obama or Clinton never privately spoke of any person, people or country with disparaging language? You're deluded if you believe that.
I don't give 2 shits, 2 fucks or 2 damns about his language. This is about his RACISM. The racism is not because he said shithole. The racism is the context. Catch the fuck up, all of you.
When he describes as "shithole" a well-developed country that is all - or almost all - brown people, THAT will be racist. When he describes some poverty-riddled largely white country as "well-developed" THAT will be racist.
The five top sources of illegal immigration to the US are Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and the Philippines. In terms of wealth, human development, crime, and pretty much any other way we measure one country against another, these places are - factually - shitholes.
By the way, as much as 47% of the Mexican people are of European ancestry . Translation: There's a buttload of white people in Mexico. For an example, check out this white dude who is President of Mexico . This white dude was president before him. And this white dude was president before him. Before him? Another white dude . That means that trashing the country isn't racist. You can say it's nationalist, but not racist.
That's a whole lot of 'splaining how he 'really' meant to use the term shithole. And total obfuscation.
That's ironic because when El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras were mention Trump had no problem. It wasn't until Haiti was mentioned that he chimed in 'Do we need more Haitians?' and then later, 'Get them out'.
You label them all as 'shitholes' so WTF is the difference between those countries?
Could it possibly be the race/skin color of the people?
Sure, it could be. It's just far more likely to be about poverty and disease and the impact of accepting immigrants from countries where those factors are particularly extreme. We accept several thousand immigrants of color from places outside Latin America every year and I don't see Trump trying to eliminate those immigrants.
Some shitholes are worse than others. Haiti is particularly bad. The national poverty rate there is over 58%! Over a quarter of the population lives in "abject poverty" whatever that means.
Then there is disease . Hepatitis, Malaria, Typhoid, and Cholera are ubiquitous in Haiti. Haiti also has the highest number of HIV/AIDS cases in Latin America.
Furthermore, literacy rates remain far below the averages for Latin America .
So back to his question: Do we really need more Haitians? Rather than pretending to be offended, maybe try answering the question. Make the argument that we need more immigrants from Haiti.
Are you SERIOUSLY claiming that THAT is why Trump singled out Haiti? That lacks credulity.
Except they are the one's that Trump meant when he made his 'shithole' comment. He singled out Haiti within Latin America but he clumped ALL of the applicable African countries into his 'shithole' category.
I guess you missed the part of the discussion where we talked about ALL of the immigrants being required to have documented medical exams and proof of specific vaccinations.
You also must have missed the fact that immigrants need to have a high school education equivalent to ours.
Isn't Trump the one who claims that Immigration laws should be followed and that Congress makes the rules? [DACA]
Section 203(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provides for a class of immigrants known as “diversity immigrants,” from countries with historically low rates of immigration to the United States. [ h/t DoS. ]
Per the statute, passed by Congress, Haiti qualifies and unless you can make an argument that Trump wasn't singling Haiti out because of the color of the people who live there, their applications or their chance at the lottery shouldn't be denied.
BTFW, I'm not offended, I'm disgusted.
Everything I said about Haiti is 100% true AND supported by linked evidence. Sorry, but you don't get to credibly claim that my comments lack credulity.
Having said all that, yeah I am very aware of the requirements we already have for immigrants. Do you think Trump is an immigration expert? Isn't it more likely that he's just broadly looking at these countries and saying "Country H is an obvious shithole, while Country N is nice?"
What should actually be happening with immigration is that a committee should be looking at the real numbers on the ground and making recommendations for policy changes that benefit America. Then, Congress should pass appropriate legislation. Instead, there is a lot of bullshit emotion driving the issue on both sides.
See, unlike most people I see talking about this issue, my frame of reference is not based on whether I am for or against Trump. I want to see a smart solution and I am not distracted by some politician's salty language on the topic.
If you take away the Democrat's race baiting...what do they have left?
Well there is. ........aahh!
And there is........ Lets see!
You could say that ....... Gees there must be something.
Hmmmmmmmm!
Sorry! I can't think of anything!
Nothing. All they care about is winning the Virtue Signaling War. They don't actually care about smart policy. They just want to look good and be the party that cares the most about other people's feelings.
It's just the liberals having their "Freak out of the day". They'll stomp their feet, they'll cry and call everybody a racist then move to the next item.
We are reaching a point (I'm past it myself) where this overt racism can be ignored. ALL republicans need to understand Trump is your spokeshole, the person who sets your agenda and leads your party. He is a RACIST. That is not up for discussion the entire world is well able to listen to, assess and judge him by his comments and actions. He is using race baiting and racism to blow his base. If you like what he says and does, you are racist. If you excuse what he says and does, you are enabling a racist. If you continue to turn a blind eye to his racism so you can get your political agenda through, you are racist. It's becoming pretty clear who is who.
You seem very proud of yourself. That's really what this is about I think: people pointing the finger at the guy who said something sketchy and condemning him while pretending that we would never be so rude.
I know racism when I see it. You don't, obviously. You've made that clear since I've read your comments over the months. And you aren't alone, but your inability to admit it or see it doesn't change what it is. The entire world can see it and knows what it is. And if you know history you would also recognize it, it is far more than this meeting using the word shithole. You all can't have it both ways. Trump likes his ignorant uneducated voters, he said that out loud to cheers and got the votes. It made enough republicans proud. Now you think I'm 'proud' that I recognize racism. I wasn't before, but I am now.
It's Racist to say we can't call a Shithole a Shithole if Brown People live there, are we supposed to lower the bar for Brown people? There are plenty of Shithole Countries populated by White People and we shouldn't import Uneducated, Uncivilized People from those Countries either. Your whole complaint is Racist because it hinges on the fact he failed to mention any of the White Populated Counties that are Also Shitholes but he also failed to name most of the Shitholes Populated by Brown people too. What you call Racist is really just an Incomplete Listing of Shitholes, Trump should just make a Public Statement apologizing for failing to name all the Shithole Countries and Publish a Complete List and Ranking.
Would you like some mustard for that pretzel?
Honey, that would be a fail.
No...you see racism in everything. Did Trump say why do we need the shithole people from those shithole countries? No...He just mentioned the shithole countries.
What's it like walking past every white person and think..."He's a racist"..."He's a racist"..."She gotta be a racist".
What a sad way to live.
hahaha...a ranking would be nice, wouldn't it? LMBO!
No. You see what you WANT to see. You are one of the many who go about your day looking for something to be offended by. You pitch your little fit then look for the next thing to be offended by. You pitch your little fit on that, then look for the next thing to be offended by. And so on and so on. Have you ever been to some of these countries the President called a shit hole? I have. Guess what, THEY ARE SHIT HOLES. Despite what your little mind is telling you, it's not a skin color thing.
No, you clearly don't. You're clearly someone who just likes to accuse people of racism without evidence or proof because you think it makes you the "winner" of any debate.
pot meet kettle ?
oh the irony...
WTF are you talking about? I haven't called anyone racist or anything else without evidence. Lib50 actually IS accusing people of being/defending/turning a blind eye to racism. It's all over this web page.
Where did I ever accuse you of being a racist?
Please link it.
Do you have a proclivity to want to turn every discussion into a pissing contest?
Did you come here to "win" "debates"? (like our common past experiences)
I think so.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Nothing overtly personal, as always..........
Twitter users tell Trump no one wants to leave Norway for the U.S.
While hundreds of thousands of Norwegians emigrated to the U.S. in the 19th century, just 502 out of a population of 5.3 million people moved there in 2016, down 59 from the previous year, according to Statistics Norway.
Context...... Read Lindsay Graham's statement. It is corroboration. If you're looking for someone not to believe, it's Trump, 2003 certified lies since he took office. Unbelievable!
Is anyone surprised that T-baggers and Trump supporters are acting as apologists for a racist and are deflecting to the language Trump used rather than his racist intent?
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well, apparently even CNN is wondering now if it is true ...LOL, typical liberal hit and run piece by the left and their willing accomplices in the frikken democrap run media.
Skirting the CoC [ph] In fact your redstate citation merely confirms that Trump did indeed refer to all countries in Africa as "shithole countries" , and that he questioned why we allow immigration from Haiti, El Salvador and countries in Africa rather than preferring Norwegian immigrants.
Even a small handful of Republicans found the reports of Trump's racist comments to be grossly offensive, including at least one who was in the room when Trump made his racist comments:
Bawahahaha...an apologist? for a white supremist? Really?
And, NO, it did not "confirm" that...even CNN (as the article stated) cannot prove he said it and neither can anybody else-it's all second hand leaked, inflammatory information...but keep on being offended at every little thing and believing every single unsubstantiated claim, k?
Oh, and the only reason Mia Love said what she did is because the news media jumped on it like it was a fact, stuck a camera in her face, waited with bated breath for some sort of reaction; before anyone confirmed that Trump said that...sheeze.
Neo-Nazis and other white supremacists were delighted by Trump's racist comments:
trumps got to learn that the way to Democrats hearts is by comparing American troops to nazis. Look at the way democrats rally around and continue to support dick Durban.
Telling how much more outrage there is over what trump said compared to the reaction to dick Durban slurring our troops.
describes Tumpp supporters,
know,
we didn't think so
Telling how little outrage you seem to feel about our troops torturing and killing prisoners in Abu Ghraib, Iraq. Durban truthfully stated what our troops did, they 'slurred' themselves.
Solution is just stop all immigration
Why should the US become the dumping ground for the world's castoffs and undesirables. Let Europe continue to take them in. Most American citizens feel the same way about this problem as Trump does.
Why should the EU take in refugees from problems caused by the US? We should be taking in all the refugees from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan.