Amid all the excitement over the Devin Nunes #TheMemo, it is important to remember that it is a partisan summary of FISA warrant applications that we the People have not been allowed to see. And in determining whether you trust Nunes’s summary, it might be relevant that it inaccurately summarizes something that is public record : James Comey’s testimony in 2017 regarding whether the allegations in the memo had been verified. Here is the claim in Nunes’s memo:
Got that? Nunes claims that James Comey testified in June 2017 that “the Steele dossier” was “salacious and unverified.” The claim is not that a particular portion of the dossier is salacious and unverified. The claim is that Comey testified that the dossier (“it”) is salacious and unverified. That’s what Nunes says in the memo excerpt above.
And it’s not true. That’s not James Comey’s testimony.
I already examined this issue exhaustively in a post from January 2 , rebutting a similar allegation made by Andrew C. McCarthy. Refer to that post for more detail, which I will summarize here. As I noted, Comey was specifically asked whether the FBI had confirmed any criminal allegations in the dossier, and he refused to answer the question in an open setting. Here is one example from the transcript :
BURR: In the public domain is this question of the “Steele dossier,” a document that has been around out in for over a year. I’m not sure when the FBI first took possession of it, but the media had it before you had it and we had it. At the time of your departure from the FBI, was the FBI able to confirm any criminal allegations contained in the Steele document?
COMEY: Mr. Chairman, I don’t think that’s a question I can answer in an open setting because it goes into the details of the investigation.
Had Comey specifically said in closed session that nothing in the dossier had been verified, you’d be reading about it in this environment of politicized intelligence. But you’re not reading that, are you? Why do you suppose that is?
Later in his testimony, Comey referred to certain material as “salacious and unverified” — but he later implied that there were parts of the dossier that were verified and parts that were not. Here is the testimony where Comey used the term “salacious and unverified”:
SEN. SUSAN COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Comey, let me begin by thanking you for your voluntary compliance with our request to appear before this committee and assist us in this very important investigation. I want first to ask you about your conversations with the president, three conversations in which you told him that he was not under investigation. The first was during your January 6th meeting, according to your testimony, in which it appears that you actually volunteered that assurance. Is that correct?
COMEY: That’s correct.
COLLINS: Did you limit that statement to counterintelligence invest — investigations, or were you talking about any FBI investigation?
COMEY: I didn’t use the term counterintelligence. I was briefing him about salacious and unverified material. It was in a context of that that he had a strong and defensive reaction about that not being true. My reading of it was it was important for me to assure him we were not person investigating him.
Note well: Comey doesn’t say the entire dossier is “salacious and unverified.” He says he briefed the President about “salacious and unverified material.” Later, under questioning from Tom Cotton, Comey once again said Trump denied the “unverified and salacious parts”:
COMEY: The president called me I believe shortly before he was inaugurated as a follow-up to our conversation, private conversation on January the 6th. He just wanted to reiterate his rejection of that allegation and talk about—- he’d thought about it more. And why he thought it wasn’t true. The verified — unverified and salacious parts.
Again, the phrase “unverified and salacious parts” is clearly a reference to the peeing on the bed allegation, and perhaps a related mention of prostitutes. But “unverified and salacious parts” is language that pointedly does not rule out the concept that there were verified and non-salacious parts as well. Indeed, the pee-on-the-bed story was hardly the only allegation in the Steele dossier . When you put this together with the fact that Comey flat-out refused to answer (at least in an open setting) whether any parts of the dossier had been verified, it’s clear that the testimony is not what #TheMemo claims it is.
I have no idea what Andrew C. McCarthy thinks about #TheMemo today; his opinions on this whole topic have been something of a moving target. But there was a time when he said something I agree with, and here it is :
The FBI plainly did not dismiss the dossier out of hand. If it used some of the dossier’s information in a FISA-court surveillance application, that would only be problematic if agents failed to verify that particular information before seeking the warrant. That would be highly irregular. For now, we don’t know what happened.
Indeed. The real issue, which Nunes’s memo does not shed any real light on (and indeed almost purposefully obscures) is a) what specific parts of the dossier were used in the FISA application, and b) were those parts verified. As to those questions, we’re no closer to a real answer today than we were yesterday — except that if Nunes could give us chapter and verse, his presentation would be more convincing. And yet, he doesn’t.
Remember: Nunes is someone who already showed himself to be of questionable credibility when it came to defending Trump’s claim that Obama wiretapped him. Now he’s misrepresenting public testimony that anyone can read. Yet we’re supposed to believe his summary of a still-classified FISA warrant based on these broad-brush smears?
Nope. No sale. I said before that it’s a terrible hashtag, but #ReleaseTheDocumentation — specifically the FISA application. If you don’t do that, I have no interest.

The first of many counter reactions to The Memo.
The fact is Nunes is not a relaible source of anything.
Red State is a conservative web site and Patterico is a notable conservative blogger.
I see the desperate DemocRATS are in high speed spin control. The agencies had nothing on Carter Page and still don't. The release of the memo proves that higher up in the FBI and DOJ acted inappropriately in trying to keep Trump from elected, and are now trying dig up any kind of dirt on him or his associates. The majority of the American people can see how the Mueller probe has has become hopelessly tainted and will go nowhere and have to wrap up by early summer with no charges filed.
You are aware that Mueller is a republican, appointed by a republican that was appointed by trump, right? So how is it the dems fault again?
So, in other words liberals are now going to try and make the "Steele Dossier" a credible document. You do remember that "Buzzfeed" was the only news outlet that dared to publish the unverified "Dossier"? When they did that, if you recall, they were immediately hit with a lawsuit - as follows:
"BuzzFeed published the dossier in January 2017, noting that the allegations were unverified and the report contained errors.
The dossier claims that Cohen met with Russian operatives somewhere in Europe, including Prague, to attend a meeting to “clean up the mess” created by public disclosures of other Trump associates’ reported ties to Russia.
Cohen has denied that a Prague meeting occurred, saying that he has never been to the Czech Republic. In May 2017, Cohen provided a copy of his passport to BuzzFeed that showed it had been stamped for entry and exit to the United Kingdom and Italy."
That's a sampling of the kind of nonsense that's in the Steele Dossier
exactly...hardly stellar.
Sans the complete information, the memo is nothing more than a huge stinking pile. May have differing thoughts if they allow the DEMs the other side of the story.
The biggest problem with the memo is the source. Devin Nunes is a disgraced Trump lackey disguised as a GOP congressman.
It is amazing that so many people took this seriously under those circumstances.
He also refused to answer the question as to whether the white house helped write the memo. They claim the dossier was tainted, well this memo has a lot worse stink on it than the dossier did, it was written by team Trump and hand fed to their lap dog Nunes.
You do know it had to be verified before it was released. The democrats will release their own memo - it is being vetted right now. Then there will be more memo's from Nunez. Dosen't that just gall ya?
It would take a real moron to believe anything Nunes says.
This is from a CONSERVATIVE writer
Actually that gut feeling on the part of the President did eventually turn out to be mostly true. Trump Tower was wiretapped, though not directly by Obama. Of course you would have realized that if you paid careful attention to Obama's carefully worded response (through a spokesperson) at the time - where he said that "he" (Obama) didn't order a wiretap. Get it?
2 Second Corinthians ?
That really should have been the moment any Christian could see Trump was a fraud. There's not a single one of them from 5 years old and on who would have made such a moronic mistake when attempting to quote scripture. As anyone with even a cursory exposure to Christianity would know, "Two Corinthians" has never been used in any church anywhere on the planet to specify "Second Corinthians". It was a huge clue that the evangelicals had to intentionally ignore because the only other choice in their minds was voting for the devil herself because they all bought the bullshit propaganda fed them by right wing partisans and Russian state controlled media and Facebook bots.
You left out the leaders of their flocking flock, well your 'Right' would encompass them.
What fricken hypocrites
Wrong again! The REAL ISSUE is whether the FISA Judge was informed that the HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN paid for the creation of that dossier. That of course would be documented. That will be coming out next, I assume. BTW if the Judge was only told that there was financing of the dossier, by anyone other that the Clinton campaign (such as using Fusion GPS) - that would be a serious deception by the FBI.
We already know that there was only "minimal" vetting of the document via the FBI's own words
Oh look! Democrats say the memo is B.S.
and
Republicans want to put everyone in jail because of the memo!
Wow, who'd a thunk?
The author of this article is not a Democrat , or a liberal.
Patarico is one of the most prolific liberal bloggers on the internet, Comment removed for CoC violation [ph]
I'm sorry, but based on the evidence presented, such a claim is not "clear" at all.
It also doesn't rule out that everyone at the FBI was born on the planet Venus. This kind of baseless speculation is useless.
This whole article is full of wishful thinking. It's a whole lot of "it could mean X or it could mean Y." I'll take the memo at face value until I have concrete and specific evidence to think otherwise.
Nunes suggests in the memo that Comey had said that the dossier was salacious and unverified.
At best that is something not in evidence, at worst Nunes is being deliberately misleading.
As Patterico says, the key element here is , what aspects of the dossier were used to apply for the warrant? Nunes cannot or does not specify that. Did the FBI present only verified aspects of the dossier to the judge? That would be their position I assume with some confidence.
Comey has come out blasting this memo today -
That’s it? Dishonest and misleading memo wrecked the House intel committee, destroyed trust with Intelligence Community, damaged relationship with FISA court, and inexcusably exposed classified investigation of an American citizen. For what? DOJ & FBI must keep doing their jobs.
Yeah, the Democrats have always been ok with corruption...no matter how great or how little.
which is, without context, it ain't worth the bark wrap it was printed upon
So the Dems spent this whole time saying how the memo was such a threat and all the little people in the country needn't trouble themselves with what their govt is doing and now the Dems gripe about not enough classified info coming out.
Thank God Nunes got the ball rolling on this and the left is now forced to put its cards on the table after nothing but bluffs and smoke.
Actually the "left" was blocked after the House majority refused to allow them to release their memo. Gee, wonder why???
Maybe because the Dems only wrote their memo after the GOP has finished theirs and the exact same guys like Schiff who pretended to be so concerned about sensitive info wanted their own memo to go through with no security checks to see if anything sensitive should be redacted.
You realize that NO ONE in the Minority was part of this partisan 'investigation' that Nunes conducted, right.? Most of it was done in secret, behind closed doors. The Minority did not know of the existence of this 'investigation' until they read the memo last week. The Majority has been working on this shit for MONTHS, and BTFW, Carter Page KNEW that it was in the works back in Oct. 2017.
That is the crap that the House GOP call 'good faith'.
Considering the left has done nothing but obstruct, deflect and demonize these important revelations Nunes probably had to do things without their knowledge. The DNC can't even be trusted to pick their own nominees without cheating.
Considering the FACT that the House Intel Committee has standing rules that REQUIRE that Nunes do things in consultation WITH the Minority Ranking member, it PROVES that Nunes violated House rules.
The DNC aren't relevant to this topic.
BTFW, cry me a river.
Quigley then disputed that the Republican majority ever consulted with the Democratic minority about the investigations.
“We have issued several subpoenas that were opposed by the minority. … So we have publicly stated numerous times that we have concerns about FISA,” Nunes said, before being cut off by Quigley, who objected, "There was no formal set sit-down.”
So it looks like the Republicans were issuing subpoenas that the Democrats knew full well about and objected to. The Dems must either have had some sort of brain damage not to know what was happening or they just think everybody is stupid enough to buy their feigned ignorance.
And the crooked ways of Democrats is always relevant.
Looks like the libbies are the ones crying because their fraud collusion conspiracy and attempted coup of Trump is crashing down.
From your link:
“We learned about that for the first time here today,” Schiff said. “Now it has been publicly reported from time to time that there was a subset of the majority working on some kind of an investigation or inquiry into the Department of Justice and FBI, but apparently [Nunes] made it formal today, according to the majority, the FBI’s under investigation and so is the Department of Justice.”
Wow, that's deep. /s
Yes, Schiff said one sentence and then contradicted himself in the next one. He does that a lot.
Bingo!!
Link? Proof? Or just another of your BS proclamations?
From your own post in 7.1.8.
Schiff admitted he knew something was going on. If he can't take an interest in what's happening in the committee he sits on then he should find a better use for his time.
Any thinking person would acknowledge that knowing 'something is going on' and being CONSULTED, as the rules require, are two different things.
You seem to think that Schiff should spend his time searching rooms in the Capital to see if the Majority staff is conducting an investigation somewhere without his knowledge.
That would be a better use of his time than being a regular talking head on CNN trying keep Pelosi happy.
Democrats don't like following legally required procedure. They feel entitled to just do whatever is in their self interest.
Wow, that's delusional. Trump Jr's testimony isn't classified, not even a little bit. BTW, Gowdy 'characterized' Trump Jr's testimony on Trump TV. Guess y'all see him as a 'slimy weasel' too...
Which, of course, the people who're desperately trying to keep FatOrangeNixon®'s crimes from being investigated have to say. They apparently are unaware (or don't care) that every attack on the truth and the truth-tellers like that show just how guilty they know their shitbag is.
This is a lot to do about nothing. Consult doesn’t mean consent. Unless the rules say otherwise, “consult” in the English language generally means to get someone’s opinion. Republicans wanted to release the memo and Democrats made clear that they opposed it. Their “opinion” was clear and it still is. Nothing would have changed if everyone had wasted their time sitting around a table so both sides could say the same thing.
HOW exactly? What Russians? Be specific.
9. INVESTIGATIONS
(a) Commencing Investigations. The Committee shall conduct investigations only if approved by the Chair, in consultation with the Ranking Minority Member. (b) Conducting Investigations. An authorized investigation may be conducted by members of the Committee or Committee Staff designated by the Chair, in consultation with the Ranking Minority Member, to undertake any such investigation.
So EVEN YOU admit that if the rules say that Nunes should get Schiff's opinion, he should have done so. He DID NOT. Nunes has been conducting multiple investigations WITHOUT the knowledge or participation of ANYONE in the Minority for MONTHS. In FACT, it seems that most of the Republicans on the Committee didn't participate either. Nunes violated the standing rules of the House Intel Committee, running it like a dictatorship and Ryan is enabling him.
That happened MONTHS AFTER Nunes clandestinely began to conduct investigations. Nunes admitted on Trump TV that he is in the process of investigating the State Dept. AGAIN, without consultation with the Ranking member or participation of most of the members of the committee.
That is IRRELEVANT.
Adam Schiff and the rest of the Democratic jackasses are the gift that keeps on giving to the Pubs.
Because the memo's have to be verified before their release. The democrats memo will have to go through the same process. I know democrats hate verification of what they say.
Your opinion...
One would think that after the fiasco of declassifying the memo, one would have the intellectual capacity to realize that only the POTUS can unilaterally declassify information. But then, that would be asking to much of you...
More fake news and idle speculation from JR.
Another obtuse comment from RB.
You can smell the stench of their desperation and lies.
You can smell the stench of their desperation and lies.
Of all people to make that claim, Mr. Jeb Bush paid Richard Steele for the dossier...
His name is Christopher, not Richard so you've already stepped in your own poo. I corrected that quite a while back but it seems you don't keep up with the grown-ups very well. It was first bank-rolled by one Paul Singer on behalf of Marco Rubio:
And, of course, I never claimed the payment was made directly to Steele (again, for future reference., that's Christopher not Richard). Everyone (but rightwingers, of course) knows by now that FusionGPS got the contract to dig into dirty FatOrangeNixon®'s financial dealings with Russia. It was FusionGPS who hired Steele (Christopher, not Richard). Always glad to try to help the fact-and-truth challenged rightwingers (knowing full well that it's a thankless and futile task).
Yeah, but closeted Republicans always have "Dick Steele" on the brain...
It's part of their "<del>hope</del> delusion vs. reality" syndrome.
Yup, they were the go between for the sleezy Clinton Campaign. Between Clinton and Steele. All the dirty details will be coming out sooner or later. Plenty of FOIA lawsuits out there to get the information all these agencies try sooooo desperately to withhold from "we the people"
SO this whole argument hinges on the use of the word ("it") ... ridiculous, the word ("it") does not change the meaning of the content - would ("it") have been better to have identified the specific 'part/section' that was salacious and unverified of ("it") ... perhaps yes ... let the grasping of straws begin?
Apparently to 'some' ("it") discredits the memo, because Comey did not say the word ("it") ... yet another what IS is...... (?)
I was under the impression that the memo was a joke .. a big "nothing burger" [a popular term on NT] now in order to 'discredit' the big "nothing burger" .. the use of ("it") must be defined..... interesting
Happy Super Bowl Sunday ... Guess I am going to have to go with the Eagles .. or my buddies in PA will disown me! : )
I think "it" makes all the difference in the world.
If you had a defense attorney say "The evidence against my client is unverified, all of it!", that would be very different than saying "Some of the evidence against my client is unverified!".
In this case, Comey specified that some of the dossier was "salacious and unverified", (again, for those poorly educated, salacious does not mean false or fake, it simply means treating sexual matters in an indecent way, which there's really no other way of describing a video where the President gets peed on by underage Russian prostitutes). For Nunes and his partisan hacks to claim Comey said all of the dossier was "salacious and unverified" is a flat out lie. Even later in the memo they have to admit that parts of the dossier were "minimally corroborated". Which parts were corroborated? They don't tell you that in the memo. Why? Because from what we know now the parts that were verified are all the parts pertaining to Carter Page which undermines the memos claims that a FISA warrant should not have been issued which allowed the FBI to find out about the Russian contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives.
Since the dossiers claims about Page were corroborated, it makes no difference where the dossier originated or that other parts of the dossier remain unverified. The warrant was authorized as it should have been.
Interesting take on the issue.
Comey didn’t want to say that everything in the dossier was unverified but didn’t want to give details in a public hearing. I’ll give the FBI the benefit of the doubt and say that there is “something” verifiable but I don’t know whether “it”, standing alone, would have been enough to get a FISA warrant. If it would have been sufficient, then the other issues surrounding the dossier may be irrelevant. If it wouldn’t have been sufficient, then the FBI has a problem. I tend to agree with the author that I need that missing piece of information.
It’s possible that both sides are right: something was verifiable in the dossier and the FBI abused its power by manipulating allegations in the FISA application for the purpose of affecting the election.
Hi 1ofmany ..
I do not think that the Steele dossier was the only thing that was used to obtain a FISA warrant on Page in October - supposedly there is 39 other missing pieces / reasons to have the warrant issued..
Page has been on the FBI radar since 2013 (perhaps earlier) in 2015 the ' Russian 3 man spy ring' was broken up, 6 months later Page became involved in the campaign. (March 2016? April?) the FBI states they were 'watching' him. Early July Page goes to Russia to give a speech on July 7 ... the Steele dossier claims Page met with a high ranking Russian official ... that information was made public (by Yahoo) in September 2016 - FISA warrant issued in October.
The timing is suspect (to me) ... why obtain the warrant? was the FBI possibly interested in information on Russian / Trump campaign collusion? Russian energy information? The FBI had been watching the guy for 3 years already .. not his first FISA warrant, most likely will not be the last one (Page seems to like to talk) - apparently though, listening to his every word yields nothing (unless Carter Page is not the target of the FISA warrants issued against him?)
Just offering my opinion 1ofmany - I love a good conspiracy, and this one writes itself ..
Peace!
If the FBI was watching Page before he joined the Trump campaign, then why did the FBI rely on a questionable dossier at all to get a warrant? I’d need to see the FISA application but it looks to me like the FBI may have used the dossier to expand the scope of surveillance by implying that Page may be collaborating with someone in the Trump campaign (i.e. Trump) when they knew the dossier was a political hit piece by the opposition party.
If he didn’t know before, Page knows by now that he’s under surveillance and everybody who’s had contact with him knows that they may have been under surveillance as well. Further surveillance of him would likely not be productive. So why can’t the FBI give more information on the FISA application and just redact anything classified? I’d like to know more about how the FISA court operates anyway, especially in light of how it operated in this instance.
So until it was released.......The problem with the memo was that it was going to put our Security into Jeopardy......Would anyone like to point out what was in the memo that did that (be specific)....
And now the story from the left is.....it's .....it's... it's..."not credible"......
I thought the memo was going to blow the lid off a tainted investigation. Could you point out a single thing in it that does that?
Besides have Putin ROTFLAO not much except maybe have future persons less likely to cooperate with US
I never said that...(please post where I ever said that).......how would I know what was in the letter ....until it came out.....plus ......The word is .....this is just the tip of the iceberg and there is much more to come.....but I won't make any predictions on what will come of all of this......We will just have to wait and see.....but I still don't see how this memo puts our security at stake......the only thing it put into Jeopardy is some Swamp Dwellers...... Totally made up dossier for the Clinton Campaign.
You thought wrong, of course. You see it dosen't stop the Mueller investigation but it does taint it quite a bit.
Sooner or later Mueller will have to end it and tell us all that there was no collusion.
If I was Trump, the day after the investigation ends, I fire Rosenstein and nominate a new Deputy DA. Then I see if we can bring charges against Jim Comey, Loretta Lynch, Bruce Ohr, Nellie Ohr, Peter Strozk, Lisa Page, Andrew McCabe, Glenn Simpson and Christopher Steele. The charges - Conspiracy, leaking classified information and perjury.
Then I pardon Michael Flynn.
Well they burned the contacts that Page communicated with while under surveillance that's for sure. One irony is that they 'unmasked' Page in the memo. Thought they were against that...
While it's true that some of his actions were highly publicized, they confirmed the 'speculation' and gave the Russians a timeline for 'scrubbing' Page's contacts.
Another irony is that Page KNEW that Ryan had this was in the works since last year. Wonder how?
Specifically, it puts future sharing of intel by our allies into question. And it's not only the UK.
there was no intel, for the love of God...this was a made up piece of crap hit piece called Fusion One - the Clinton's op research team and was bought and paid for by the Clintons and the DNC. There is no intel worth a spit in there, it's all as James Comey called it, "salacious lies and unverified"...he got caught in his own lies here.
Bingo!
OMG, do you not understand? Between Trump's intel leaks (his leak on Israeli intel was devastating). Now a supposedly secure committee has released bullshit propaganda (they know it even if GOP refuses to admit it). This is more proof Trump and republicans will damage anything in their attempts to protect Trump. It doesn't matter what you and GOP thinks, it matters what THEY think. And they don't like it. Its obvious to everybody that republicans are willing to trash our foundations of security for politics. Look at the damn big picture.
Lol, that's hilarious!