Let's not talk about the dead children ... ... by Bob Nelson
So... another high school massacre. Gee... that's terrible... I guess. I don't know though, because we never really see anything.
We have lots of pictures of dead people on the other side of the world, but these dead children here in America... no. We never see our dead children.
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We mustn't see our gunshot children.
We certainly don't see our gunshot children here on the internet. Heaven forbid! That would be shocking! We can wring our hands endlessly, and in many cases in the very worst of Bad Faith , but we must never see the blood...
Let's not talk about the dead children. Let's avoid imagining blood. Let's not think about shattered skulls and terror...
Hey! I've got a great idea! Let's just change the topic. Let's talk about something futile , so that, very quickly, we'll all get tired of of it... and move on to something else.
Let's not talk about
the dead children
the GUNSHOT children
the children who continue to die monstrous deaths so that a few asocial egomaniacs can go on fantasizing about being Rambo...
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Cassie Bernall was shot to death at Columbine.
She was 17.
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Have you noticed? At every slaughter of children, someone on the internet posts something about guns... but not about the dead children. In fact... they forbid any posting about the dead children.
The purpose of those seeds is not to find a means of stopping the slaughter. On the contrary.
Those seeds are meant to "shift the conversation" as the spin-masters say. The people who post about guns... but forbid mentioning the dead children... are trying to manipulate us. They know that if we think about the children, blasted into hamburger, we will be horrified, disgusted, angry, and wanting serious action to stop the slaughter.
These people know that they can "manage" any internet conversation on what to do, because they can stir the pot enough to avoid consensus. They know that people will tire of the same-old-same-old. And everything will fall back into apathy until the next massacre.
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The only way for the children to stop dying is for us all to agree that the horror must stop... and for that, we must see the horror... we must speak of the horror...
We must not let a few asocial egomaniacs manipulate us into forgetting the
GUNSHOT CHILDREN
There are two topics here:
- the slaughtered children
- the cynical efforts of some people, including people who try to "shift the conversation"... to trick us into forgetting the children.
I will ask anyone who posts on any other topic to leave the conversation.
I'm confident that Perrie will back me up. /s
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Meanwhile... some members are seeding from... dubious... sources. The purpose of course, is to muddy the waters. Let's talk about the shooter's political affiliation, or his mental health...
Let's talk about anything... except the gunshot children...
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Can you be MORE SPECIFIC on WHY ?
Bob is calling off topic. [ph]
AND......... what IS THE FUCKING TOPIC !
As I point out below - bob probably senses that he cannot defend his perspectives in an exchange of ideas. Much easier to simply delete anything you can't refute......sort of ironic when you consider the core cause of the violence. Violence like that in Parkland can be driven by someone that insists on having the last word.
Bob needs to start his own blog site. That way he can get all the attention he wants - specially from himself.
Quit clogging the airways Bob.
Based on what I just read from Bob.....It's Blood and Gore Pictures that are NEEDED !
Weird !
Should we notify the FBI about this ...... NEED ?
Do you have a point in all this emotional verbiage Bob? If so, what is your opinion about what is the solution to this problem? Or is there a solution? Or do you even care?
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I'll go you one better bob..... clearly you're more interested in bullying (ironically) than exchanging ideas.......perhaps because you know - deep in your heart - that the only place that you can successfully defend your ideas is if you're alone in a vacuum. I'll just take you and your BS off my radar - permanently - and leave you to your safe space.
Home run.
True. Some try anything to divert conversations from the senseless lose of life...
And they would rather make this all about Bob instead of the topic he wishes to discuss. I used to get bitched at all the time on NV by a certain person from New Jersey.
Sorry, Bob.
We're STILL trying to figure out what is needed to be on Topic. So far...we FINALLY got that "Gore Pictures" are what's NEEDED to "Be on Topic" !
You In ???????????????????????
Pictures of 'Dead bloodied children' accomplishes what?
I cannot say I relate to your personal anger (I do not know you) but I do think I can understand it. What I do not understand is why there is never realistic talks of ways to stop the carnage - talking about the blood and horror is useless ... screaming at the Federal Government for 'gun regulation/control/reform' is useless (for Pete's sake they cannot even come up with a F'n budget), take the fight to the States - there is NO reason to leave 'our' children as sitting ducks for a whack job that is going to shoot indiscriminate bullets that will tear into the flesh of young innocent lives leaving them dead and bloodied. (is that on topic?)
Doors can be locked to avoid outside entrance - while still allowing those on the inside an escape route in case of fire (or to escape from a mass murderer .. as some schools now have drills) Each school in my county - perhaps the State (have to research that) has a police officer on campus .. cop car parked right out front (this is suppose to be a deterrent) they are called resource officers, policing the children that could be 'dead and bloodied' by said whack job with a AR-15 ... yet the police car is the only deterrent? A buzz in policy would be an inexpensive way of blocking entrance to those that have NO business at the school (?)
Scream and stop your feet Bob, be angry - post pictures of 'dead children' ... but until one is ready to have an honest conversation about what "We the People" can do to take care of our own ... one is just pissing up a rope..
My thoughts .. sorry to (possibly) deride the topic Bob, was 'not' my intent to mock the lack of knowledge - nor the freakishly bizarre desire individuals have in making this the Federal Governments job, when more than half of our elected officials in DC can barely wipe their own ass!
Keep posting those 'dead children' Bob and screaming at the sky for answers that will never come from the Federal Government....
Peace!
And, your DUBIOUS sources are labeled and ready for viewing - WHERE?????????????????????
We see lots of death on TV... but we know they're make-believe.
Now... we can see in our mlind's eye the same blasted bodies... strewn about a high school. But these are real. These children are dead.
The halls of the high school are slippery... with blood...
The air stinks. Coppery blood, of course, and also shit, because many of the dying children have voided themselves.
oh, wait... we mustn't think about the dead children...
Emo sideshow. Faux outrage. Get to your point.
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He has no point and he has no topic - just Bob being Bob.
If you want to see photos of dead, bloodied, voided bodies of children, you can look in the archives of the NYT and many other sources. They have plenty of photos showing what happened during the Armenian and Jewish Genocides. Those are just two examples.
If you want a more realistic, morbid, reality show experience, maybe you can arrange a visit and tour the high school in Parkland to see and smell the victims' splattered brains, blood, and feces before the school is cleaned and disinfected. Most of us have no interest in that and prefer to remember the victims as the beautiful people they were in life.
Now is not time to talk about gun reform. We can talk about that once everyone has forgotten about this latest mass shooting massacre .... but be quick, because the next one will happen in about a week, based on current statistics - and then it will not be the time to talk about gun reform again.
Now is the time to talk about death. About dead children. About blood and horror and terror.
We must not... never... we must not allow ourselves to become indifferent to this slaughter.
We aren't.
Did it make a difference when machine guns became extremely difficult to obtain? Of course it did. Then some asshole invented the bump stock, which was legally purchased (cheaply and easily), and used to kill dozens of people in Las Vegas, by a guy who drew zero suspicions of being a mass shooter. It will probably happen many more times before anything meaningful is done about that horrific invention, and any similar contraption meant to convert a high powered rifle from something that can quickly kill a dozen people into something that can quickly kill dozens of people.
There are guns that are used for legitimate purposes, and there are guns that have only one logical use - to kill as many people as possible in as short a timeframe as possible. This isn't rocket science.
For the likes of "Scar Face" types....sure. Never read any reporting on an "Average middle class Joe Blow" mowing down innocents using a "Tommy Gun".
"by a guy who drew zero suspicions of being a mass shooter"
Now comes the day of figuring out who is Nutty...and who is Not ! A tall mountain to climb these days.
Is it time to offer rewards for "finger pointing" again ?
History Repeats ?
So you think that the multiple mass shooting events that have occurred since the tommy gun was made virtually unobtainable, would not have been any worse had the shooters had the option to obtain machine guns? Seriously?
NEVER said ANYTHING like that.
Liberals are soooo funny....and Fun........when they try to do the "Changeup" LIE !
NEVER said ANYTHING like that.
Never read any reporting on an "Average middle class Joe Blow" mowing down innocents using a "Tommy Gun".
As you were saying?
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Machine guns aren't ....and GUNS Aren't.........the problem......Duh !
Please, Hal. Right now, the topic of gun control is used as a distraction. The gun-nuts know that they can stir the pot long enough to prevent any consensus. They are discussing anything and everything except the dead children. We need to ensure that their smokescreen doesn't work.
What about the Children....would you like to actually discuss Bob.
You MUST leave out "The Gun" though....since that part seems to be pissing you off.
It's easy to find photos of the Parkland victims who died and post them on NewsTalkers. Here you go:
Any person with any dignity would not post a picture of a dead child. It is out of respect for the parents and the family.
Bob,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're positing that the media should show pictures and film of the young victims.
Is that correct?
Yes.
The sterilization of our popular perception is not helpful.
Faces could be blurred, perhaps... but America needs to see the carnage... needs to feel the horror...
I would argue the opposite. I have seen a great deal of footage of civilian victims of mass murder and terrorism. It's possible that a slice of the populace will feel outrage, and of course there's another cross section that will go out of their way to avoid viewing any of this.
I'm not a psychologist, and I have no backing of this statement, but I believe that showing the victims will eventually desensitize us even more than we allegedly are already.
There is quite a bit of discussion on the murder of the children, the mourning, the grief of the parents. The fact that they were murdered and that their deaths are horrific and tragic is not really something that can be debated. Who could deny it; who could take the con position? Given one cannot debate their murders, it stands to reason that the discussion of the victims themselves will be short lived compared to topics that lend themselves to debate.
The debate topics immediately are how to detect / stop the murderers, security of public areas, terrorism, psychology & meds and gun control.
Closing article due to lack of clarity of the topic.