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Thinking the unthinkable on a Second Civil War

  

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Via:  heartland-american  •  8 years ago  •  178 comments

Thinking the unthinkable on a Second Civil War

Mass psychosis has gripped a significant fraction of the progressive regressive elites in the wake of their shock at the election and presidency of Donald Trump. The open embrace by California and some other jurisdictions of nullification – the doctrine that states can ignore or obstruct federal law – is recapitulating the run-up to our 19th-century Civil War. Serious publications are taking seriously the possibility of an actual armed conflict.

The notion some on the left have that they would gain from such a conflict is insane on every level. It would be a catastrophe of world historical dimensions, unleashing every bad actor in the world to enact its dream aggressions: China attacking Taiwan, Iran attacking Israel, and Russia restoring the old USSR borders, for starters.

But how about the question of who would win? Kurt Schlichter on Town Hall takes a cold, hard look at the question and concludes (correctly) that the blue-staters would get their posteriors handed to them. His article, titled "Why Democrats Would Lose the Second Civil War, Too," is must-reading, albeit unpleasant to contemplate. I think he is highly realistic:

Do I think there will be a civil war? No, but there could be. This is the Age of Black Swans, and anything is possible – we could easily see the country split into red and blue. Civil war is unlikely, but never underestimate Democrat stupidity and hatred.

If you can read Schlichter's article with the same amused frame of mind you might take while playing a violent videogame, there are a lot of payoffs in it. The Dems have no clue how stupid they are.

There are two Civil War II scenarios, and the left is poorly positioned to prevail in either one. The first scenario is that the Democrats take power and violate the Constitution in order to use the apparatus of the federal government to suppress and oppress Normal Americans. In that scenario, red Americans are the insurgents. In the second scenario, which we can even now see the stirrings of in California's campaign to nullify federal immigration law, it is the blue states that are the insurgents.

The Democrats lose both wars. Big time.

Let's talk terrain and numbers. Remember the famous red v. blue voting map? There is a lot of red, and in the interior the few blue splotches are all cities like Las Vegas or Denver. That is a lot of territory for a counter-insurgent force to control, and this is critical. The red is where the food is grown, the oil pumped, and through which everything is transported. And that red space is filled with millions of American citizens with small arms, a fairly large percentage of whom have military training.

Remember what two untrained idiots did in Boston with a couple of pistols? They shut a city down. Now multiply that by several million, with better weapons and training.

He does not ignore the fact that Dems are the party of disarmed civilians, and consider how law enforcement, the military, and the National Guard might handle the conflicting calls that would be made on their loyalties.

This article really should be read by progs. But it won't be. They like living in their fantasy world, where human nature can be changed, tax hikes increase prosperity, and racial agitation is the means to produce a just society.    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/03/thinking_the_unthinkable_on_a_second_civil_war.html


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devangelical
Professor Principal
2  devangelical    8 years ago

I'll start my recon for times and places where unamerican domestic terrorists gather. Like on Sundays, around 10 am. Because of articles like this, I've personally waived my restrictions on age and gender when it comes to the Violation of ToS,  [SP]

 
 
 
luther28
Sophomore Silent
3  luther28    8 years ago

I am at a loss for words. Tales from the dark side?

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Participates
3.1  epistte  replied to  luther28 @3    8 years ago

They need to lay off the tequila and LSD before they write this partisan idiocy.

 
 
 
luther28
Sophomore Silent
3.1.1  luther28  replied to  epistte @3.1    8 years ago

Either that or share it.

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
4  Rmando    8 years ago

There shouldn't be any need for a civil war. I'm all for just giving the Left Coast the push it needs to break off from the rest of the county and keep out their insanity. 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7  JBB    8 years ago

This sort of Krazy Klan Krapola is why all righties must be crushed at the ballot box on November 6th...

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Silent
8  bbl-1    8 years ago

Off topic [ph]

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Quiet
9  Paula Bartholomew    8 years ago

Isn't the term "civil war" an oxymoron?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
9.1  Kavika   replied to  Paula Bartholomew @9    8 years ago

The author of the article is a moron for sure.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Kavika @9.1    8 years ago

This is the same guy that wants to invade San Francisco and Los Angeles. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
9.1.2  Kavika   replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.1    8 years ago

LOL, he is....Well like I said on another article I'm sure that the Longies (longshoremen) in Long Beach/San Pedro/Wilmington will explain to him how the world works on the waterfront...LOL

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
9.1.3  Raven Wing   replied to  Kavika @9.1.2    8 years ago

Indeed!  It should be something to watch. (grin)

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
9.1.5  Raven Wing   replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.4    8 years ago

Nor the one where you live either. Only God knows what they might find. eek

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Quiet
9.1.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Raven Wing @9.1.5    8 years ago

I think he is part of the great swamp that his orange hero perpetuates.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
Professor Quiet
10  Larry Hampton    8 years ago

Whitehood masturbation fantasy.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
11  lib50    8 years ago

What the fuck is a progressive recessive elite? 

 
 
 
Randy
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12  Randy    8 years ago

The truth that the right wing has to face is that, while they are very mouthy and noisy, when you come right down to who is willing to fight in an actual war I mean willing to really got shot at and really die, they are very, very tiny and impotent. If they called all of their members to action I would bet they wouldn't fill the parking lot of a medium sized mid-west Walmart. They talk a good game and if a revolution could be accomplished via talking on social media they may have a chance. However if they all have to get out of their Lazy Boy's and miss the next episode of Dancing With The Stars or the coming  opening of the baseball season, well then their revolution is pretty much fucked.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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12.1  Raven Wing   replied to  Randy @12    8 years ago

They do talk a good story about their revolution, however, I wonder when they will have the revelation that their fantasy is not reality.  

See.... I can fantasize that certain people would move of the state of California as they seem to hate it so much, however, I am smart enough to know that it is merely a fantasy and won't happen, at least, not very soon. 

Funny thing...reality. Some people hate it and so try to avoid it as much as possible, preferring to live in their fantasy world. So of like mental Prozac.  

$%^)@%(^

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
13  The Magic 8 Ball    8 years ago

civil war can only start via state govts - (and will start in the courts with said states suing the feds for breaking the social contract.)

if hillary had won the idea of a civil war might have been plausible.  now... not so much.

selling us out into a world govt would have started a civil war, but thanks to trump the globalists have been neutered.. meaning?

there will be no civil war, you can not have one :)

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
13.1  cjcold  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @13    8 years ago

So how is it that Trump selling us out to the Russians and multinational corporations doesn't bother you?

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
13.1.2  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  cjcold @13.1    8 years ago
So how is it that Trump selling us out to the Russians and multinational corporations

because that is all liberal BS and nothing more.

unless you would like to explain how the USA having secure borders, fair trade deals, less regulations, lower taxes and a sovereign country is in russia's best interest?

 
 
 
epistte
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13.2  epistte  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @13    8 years ago
- (and will start in the courts with said states suing the feds for breaking the social contract.)

The last time the southern conservatives started a civil war over their claimed right to own slaves it didn't end well for them.   Those bigots are still threatening to refight that bigoted idea because other people have equal rights.

What social contract did the federal government violate, if you understand what the concept of a social contract means? 

 
 
 
96WS6
Junior Silent
13.2.1  96WS6  replied to  epistte @13.2    8 years ago

I love how Democrats interpret history.  The Democratic party was into slavery then and still are by designing Social programs that keep people in them and poor instead of giving them a hand up.    If you disagree please explain why people are better off staying on welfare than getting a job, all in the name of growing a constituent base at the cost of the entire country.   It is this way by design.

Here’s an offer for you: $38,004 per year, tax free.No work required.Apply at your local welfare office.

The federal government funds 126 separate programs targeted towards low-income people, 72 of which provide either cash or in-kind benefits to individuals. (The rest fund community-wide programs for low-income neighborhoods, with no direct benefits to individuals.) State and local governments operate more welfare programs.Of course, no individual or family gets benefits from all 72 programs, but many do get aid from a number of them at any point in time.

Today, the Cato institute is releasing a new study looking at the state-by-state value of welfare for a mother with two children. In the Empire State, a family receiving Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, Medicaid, food stamps, WIC, public housing, utility assistance and free commodities (like milk and cheese) would have a package of benefits worth $38,004, the seventh-highest in the nation.

While that might not sound overly generous, remember that welfare benefits aren’t taxed, while wages are. So someone in New York would have to earn more than $21 per hour to be better off than they would be on welfare.That’s more than the average statewide entry-level salary for a teacher.

Plus, going to work means added costs such as paying for child care, transportation and clothing.Not to mention that, even if it’s not a money-loser, a person moving from welfare to work will see some form of loss — namely, less time for leisure as opposed to work.

FAMOUS RACIST QUOTES:

Margaret Sanger, founder of planned parenthood:

"We do not want word to get out that we want to extinguish the Negro population, if it ever occurs to some of their more rebellious members"

Lindon Johnson:

"I'll have those N**** voting Democratic for the next 200 years."   

 
 
 
96WS6
Junior Silent
13.2.3  96WS6  replied to  XXJefferson51 @13.2.2    8 years ago

I have never gotten an answer to that one.  Logic combined with facts always baffles them.  

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
13.2.5  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  XXJefferson51 @13.2.4    8 years ago
if only we meekly obey.

resistance is never futile and always makes a great hobby :)

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
13.2.7  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @13.2.6    8 years ago

Hopefully, far right wing fascists will never be a part of any democratic government.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
13.2.8  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @13.2.7    8 years ago

OOps! Too Late!

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
13.2.10  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @13.2.9    8 years ago
There are no far right fascists

Fascists believe that  liberal democracy  is obsolete and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a  totalitarian   one-party state  as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties. [12]  Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a  dictator  and a  martial  government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society. [12]  Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war and  imperialism  as means that can achieve national rejuvenation. [13] [14] [15] [16]  Fascists advocate a  mixed economy , with the principal goal of achieving  autarky  through  protectionist  and interventionist economic policies. [17]

Fascism is a right wing political ideology. It's literally the opposite of liberalism. 

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
13.2.11  cjcold  replied to  MrFrost @13.2.10    8 years ago

Yep, that describes the Heartland Institute to a T.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
13.2.13  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @13.2.12    8 years ago

Christo-fascism advanced through a tax exempt money laundering organization.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
13.2.15  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @13.2.14    8 years ago

I know exactly what the Heartland Institute is. I've been fighting against their oil/coal/tobacco-soaked anti-science propaganda for many years now.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
13.2.18  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @13.2.17    8 years ago
More than 31,000 scientists have signed the Oregon Petition
I believe a Spice Girl signed it along with numerous fictional characters and votes from the grave. There was absolutely no attempt to verify the credentials of any signatory. The Oregon petition has been long debunked as a lame attempt at anti-science propaganda funded by the Heartland Institute.

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
14  sixpick    8 years ago

Aw, there's nothing to see here....

There's no such thing as black racism. Oh, OK.

 
 

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