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Palestinians Hold Day of Mourning After 773 ‘Shot With Live Ammunition’

  

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Via:  jbb  •  8 years ago  •  30 comments

Palestinians Hold Day of Mourning After 773 ‘Shot With Live Ammunition’

When I looked at The News Takers front page today the usual suspects were actively demonizing the Palestinians again and so I looked around on the internet to see what was going on in Israel. Normally I would not be looking. Upon doing a bit of a google search it turns out there continues to be a crisis going on in Israel, specifically along the boarder with Gaza. Israel Defense Forces snipers have been firing upon Palestinian protesters who are amassed on the boarder with Israel. The attached article is from The Guardian but I encourage interested parties to do their own research before demonizing any parties involved. This is not an editorial but is intended for your edification. Please keep comments on topic and productive...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/31/palestinians-hold-day-of-mourning-after-773-shot-with-live-ammunition

Palestinians hold day of mourning after 773 ‘shot with live ammunition’



At least 15 killed when Israeli soldiers open fire during mass demonstrations in Gaza

Gaza hospitals, running low on blood and overstretched by the huge number of wounded, were reeling after one of the enclave’s bloodiest days outside of open war, in which Israeli soldiers shot 773 people with live ammunition, according to the ministry of health.

Fifteen of the wounded died, said the ministry spokesperson Dr Ashraf al-Qidra. “Most of the dead were aged between 17 and 35 years old,” he said. “The injuries were on the upper part of the body.” He added that the remainder of the wounded, some of whom were in a critical condition, had been “shot with live ammunition”.

The violence erupted on Friday after mass demonstrations took place demanding the right of return for Palestinian refugees and their descendants to land in Israel.

Tens of thousands of people, including women and children, had planned to camp several hundred metres from the Israeli frontier, which surrounds the 140-square-mile Gaza strip on two sides, on the first day of a peaceful, six-week protest.

But from the main camps, groups of mostly young men approached the border at several locations and started throwing stones and burning tyres. Soldiers responded by opening fire throughout the day.

More than 1,400 people were wounded, mostly by bullets but also rubber-coated rounds and tear-gas inhalation, the health ministry said. The Guardian was unable to independently verify the ministry’s figures.

On Friday, in less than 30 minutes, reporters saw 10 people with bullet wounds carried away on stretchers at one of the demonstrations.

The Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, declared Saturday a national day of mourning. More demonstrations are planned.

Israel said it has positioned snipers and responded to “rioting” Palestinians with “dispersal means” and “firing towards main instigators”. It said the movement was a Hamas-orchestrated ploy and it was identifying “terror attacks under the camouflage of riots”.

The military pointed to what it said was an “attempted shooting attack by a terror cell” in the northern part of the Gaza strip on Friday. It added that it had responded with gunfire and by targeting three nearby Hamas sites with tanks and fighter jets. The military sent a video to journalists showing men appearing to tamper with the separation fence and said that Hamas had earlier sent a seven-year-old girl across the border, whom Israeli soldiers returned to her parents.

The Israeli ambassador to the UN, Danny Danon, said: “The international community must not be deceived” by what he called “a well-organised and violent terror gathering”.

Hamas, which backed the protest, has fought three wars with Israel since 2008. In the past few weeks, Israeli forces say they have caught people attempting to cut through the frontier to launch attacks.

The UN security council held emergency talks to discuss the risks of further escalation but failed to agree on a statement. “There is fear that the situation might deteriorate in the coming days,” said the assistant UN secretary general for political affairs, Tayé-Brook Zerihoun.

The UN secretary general, António Guterres, has called for an independent investigation into the violence, according to his spokesman Farhan Haq.

The Palestinian ambassador to the UN, Riyad Mansour, said what happened in Gaza was a “heinous massacre”. He said Palestinians “expect the security council to shoulder its responsibility” and “defuse this volatile situation, which clearly constitutes a threat to international peace and security”.

Friday’s death toll stood at 16 and included a farmer killed by an Israeli tank shell before dawn as he picked parsley near the border, according to the health ministry. An Israeli army spokesman said the man was operating suspiciously.

Al-Qidra said hospitals were running low on several blood types.



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JBB
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1  seeder  JBB    8 years ago

Some Real News From Israel. The other day someone stated of the Palestinians, "They Have No Souls". Well, that just left me shaking my poor old head. The Palestinians may not have much of anything else, maybe not even a viable cause, but there is one thing they have got, in spades, and that is soul. It should be clear by now that nothing is ever to be gained by those on the sidelines demonizing the parties involved in the now century olde Palestinian Question. Still, unlike some, I remain optimistic that reasonable heads might prevail and that eventually some accommodations might be made to enable a real and sustainable peace. People of all colors, stripes and faiths live in relative peace here in the US and so there is no reason People in the Middle East cannot find ways to do the same so that everyone can enjoy their most holy of places. Defeatist be damned. We can do this thing if we really want to. Nobody gains from the status quo except undertakers and warmongers...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @1    8 years ago
Still, unlike some, I remain optimistic that reasonable heads might prevail and that eventually some accommodations might be made to enable a real and sustainable peace. People of all colors, stripes and faiths live in relative peace here in the US and so there is no reason People in the Middle East cannot find ways to do the same so that everyone can enjoy their most holy of places. Defeatist be damned. We can do this thing if we really want to.

Who in the world is WE? What a simplistic and magical fairyland approach to this never-ending problem. The only reasonable heads are on the Israeli side. The "peace process" has gone on for decades now, and it is very clear that Hamas, aka the "Palestinians" want no part of a two-state solution or a homeland of their own. Their only goal in life is the destruction of the nation of Israel, and that's not ever going to happen. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
1.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.1    8 years ago

I don't understand the purpose in posting that link. Although a few of those photos are capable of making me fall in love again, but some, unfortunately are a little tasteless.  However, why I am glad to see so many women IDF front-liners, is because the Arabs who intend to become Shahids know that to be killed by a woman means they won't be taken to paradise and get their 72 virgins. 

 
 
 
Jonathan P
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2  Jonathan P    8 years ago

Terrorist-run territories produce terrorism. It's a documented fact that they came with bad intentions, and dragged innocents for the cameras.

No tears here.

No tears there.

No tears anywhere.

The world has real human rights issues, and real refugee problems to address.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
3  Buzz of the Orient    8 years ago

Yes, it takes a lot of soul to send a 7 year old girl into harm's way.

It takes a lot of spilled guts to possibly get shot in the stomach while breaking a hole in the border security fence.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Palestinian-shot-dead-in-clashes-with-IDF-547796?utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=4-4-2018&utm_content=palestinian-shot-dead-in-clashes-with-idf-547796

 
 
 
Steve Ott
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3.1  Steve Ott  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    8 years ago

And what of Jews burning a 16 yo boy alive? 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Steve Ott @3.1    8 years ago

Sure, you can come up with isolated incidents, but you can't compare that to a Jihadi Intefada, or the kind of provocation that this article is about.  There are isolated incidents in the USA as well, are there not?

 
 
 
Steve Ott
Professor Silent
3.1.2  Steve Ott  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.1    8 years ago

By your own reasoning then, why do you keep bringing up this isolated incident, if it even happened? 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
3.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Steve Ott @3.1.2    8 years ago

IF IT EVEN HAPPENED?  I just posted only ONE of media reports about the incident.  What desert island are you posting from?

And you believe that Palestinian terrorists hiding behind women and children is an isolated incident?  LOL. The very rioting that is going on at the Gaza border where women and children are being put into harm's way, shielding the terrorists approaching and trying to break through the fence is nothing to you?  How many incidents have there been of a 16 year old boy being burned alive by Israelis?  Give me another example.

Although Palestinians who torture or kill Israelis are praised and glorified, the perpetrators who burned the boy paid the price for it.

 
 
 
Steve Ott
Professor Silent
3.1.4  Steve Ott  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.3    8 years ago
why do you keep bringing up this isolated incident
You forgot this piece. One of my pet peeves from work, someone not reading and answering the entire message. Is this an isolated incident, as was the burning of the boy, or is it not? You keep using it as though it is some kind of every day event and it simply isn't. Nor do I necessarily believe what the Israeli propaganda machine spits out, no matter who regurgitates it. 
You also like to use the work terrorist. Are all Palestinians terrorists? Only if the Israeli army is an occupying army, which it says it is not, but its actions say otherwise. The actions of Menachem Begin were the actions of a terrorist. What is the difference between his actions and the actions of the Palestinians? (Let me guess, Menachem didn't use 7 yo girls to blow people up?)
Apparently the Israelis can do whatever they want because that piece of the world is their's by some kind of divine right. Well, I don't believe in divine rights and I don't believe their place is where they think it is. 

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Silent
4  Dean Moriarty    8 years ago

The Palestinians really need to rethink their battle techniques if they don't want to suffer such humiliating defeats. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
4.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dean Moriarty @4    8 years ago

But they WANT to lose. That's what makes them the underdogs so the gullible bleeding hearts all over the world will hate Israel.  They're succeeding at it.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
4.1.1  charger 383  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1    8 years ago

  losing keeps the leaders in power

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.2  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1    8 years ago
But they WANT to lose. That's what makes them the underdogs so the gullible bleeding hearts all over the world will hate Israel.  They're succeeding at it.

True. That's the goal of their leaders, and it works.

This is one of several tactic that Yassir Arafat came up with, and its quite clever in that its tremendously effective. (Of course anyone who values human life would find it totally repugnant).

The way the leaders keep their subjects in line may seem strange to those of us in the west, but this tactic actually succeeds: they have their people believing if they die defensing Islam they will go to paradise! Most of us would find that a bit bizarre-- but the vast majority of Palestinians actually do think its true!

To be successful the brainwashing must start in childhood. And young children are taught that "Shahada"-- dying for Allah in battle-- is a beautiful thing-- and should be their goal in life:

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4.1.2    8 years ago

To be successful the brainwashing must start in childhood. And young children are taught that "Shahada"-- dying for Allah in battle-- is a beautiful thing-- and should be their goal in life.

So if a Child is able to set off their suicide vest , they believe they go to paradise. However, on rare occasions,  one of them is stopped-- they are spotted and shot before they set off the explosives. But they are considered as dying in a fight defending Allah, so the belief is that they will go the Heaven. 

In Kurdish areas,  the most effective resistance to terrorists is done by Kurds. They are different from Arab militaries in that they consider to be equals.

 Obviously suicide bombers are pretty nutso-- and extremely superstitious.  One of their beliefs is that even if they die "for Allah"-- there is one exception: if they are killed by a woman, they don't go to Heaven...so many Arabs are terrified of Kurdish female fighters!

(I'll post more pn Kurdish female brigades later).

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @4.1.2    8 years ago
"But they WANT to lose. That's what makes them the underdogs so the gullible bleeding hearts all over the world will hate Israel."

"True. That's the goal of their leaders, and it works."

As I've seen it even works on supposedly intelligent people right here on NT.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Guide
4.3  Krishna  replied to  Dean Moriarty @4    8 years ago
The Palestinians really need to rethink their battle techniques if they don't want to suffer such humiliating defeats.

Why? You are making the assumption (the logical assumption!) that they don't want to suffer these defeats. The fact is-- they do!!!

You're projecting your values-- these people are different.

The strategy was devised by Arafat some time ago. Deliberately provoke another country to the point where they have no choice but to respond. Then claim you are an innocent victim, and gain the world's sympathy.

(Remember, while they claim otherwise, they place little value on human life-- to them the goal is to "defend Allah". Seems bizarre to us, but these people actually believe that). So by their standards. what they are doing is not a failure-- its highly successful...

In short-- they want to die. That's their goal!!!

 
 
 
Steve Ott
Professor Silent
6  Steve Ott    8 years ago

Palestine’s Own Sharpeville Massacre by Its Own Apartheid Oppressors

The history of Palestine and the Middle East is general is nothing if not a story of conquest and oppression. The British and French, in the 40's, basically drew some lines on a map and said this piece will be this country, this piece will be another country and so on. There was no regard to the whether some land was the ancient grazing ground of some group, they were given no choice in the matter. It was all just another act of nation - states showing off their power and creating more nation - states that were false representations of the people themselves. All of this has led to the current state of oppression.

 
 
 
Krishna
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6.1  Krishna  replied to  Steve Ott @6    8 years ago
The history of Palestine and the Middle East is general is nothing if not a story of conquest and oppression. The British and French, in the 40's, basically drew some lines on a map and said this piece will be this country, this piece will be another country and so on. There was no regard to the whether some land was the ancient grazing ground of some group, they were given no choice in the matter. It was all just another act of nation - states showing off their power and creating more nation - states that were false representations of the people themselves. All of this has led to the current state of oppression.

That is true. In fact, its by no means unique to the Middle East. Colonial powers (in those days that meant mainly the British and the French-- Germany had colonies that they lost as a result of WWI) had many colonies throughout Africa, Asia, and the Middle East. When they gave them independence, mainly after the end of WWII), they drew the lines for new countries so that they were advantageous to the colonial powers, But some of these new identities (new "countries") were created to create new nationalities that really didn't exist:

1. They would draw the map to place to tribes that hated each other in the same country.

2. They would split a tribe in two-- geographically placing part of the group in two adjacent countries-- with other tribes. None of them really identified with the new, artifiiailly created country.

3. They "gerrymandered"

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Guide
6.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @6.1    8 years ago

That is true. In fact, its by no means unique to the Middle East. Colonial powers (in those days that meant mainly the British and the French-- Germany had colonies that they lost as a result of WWI) had many colonies throughout Africa, Asia, and the Middle East. When they gave them independence, mainly after the end of WWII), they drew the lines for new countries so that they were advantageous to the colonial powers, But some of these new identities (new "countries") were created to create new nationalities that really didn't exist.

BTW, there is much to be criticized about American foreign policy. (Most people aren't even aware of what we did for years by meddling in the affairs of countries in Latin America). And if anyone is interested, google Batista to see what we did in Cuba before the revolution).

However, the problems created in the Middle East and other parts of the "Third World" by the way the colonial powers artificially carved up those areas isn't on us. (IIRC, the U.S. did not have colonies). 

 
 
 
Steve Ott
Professor Silent
6.1.2  Steve Ott  replied to  Krishna @6.1.1    8 years ago

However, the problems created in the Middle East and other parts of the "Third World" by the way the colonial powers artificially carved up those areas isn't on us. (IIRC, the U.S. did not have colonies). 

The division of the area isn't on us, but some of the issues are of our own making:

64 Years Later, CIA Finally Releases Details of Iranian Coup

Declassified documents  released  last week shed light on the Central Intelligence Agency’s central role in the 1953 coup that brought down Iranian Prime Minister Muhammad Mossadegh, fueling a surge of nationalism which culminated in the 1979 Iranian Revolution and poisoning U.S.-Iran relations into the 21st century.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Guide
6.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Steve Ott @6.1.2    8 years ago
The division of the area isn't on us, but some of the issues are of our own making:

And a lot of the problems are of the Arabs own making as well...

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
7  sixpick    8 years ago

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
7.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  sixpick @7    8 years ago

The process of so indoctrinating Palestinian children has not only continued, but increased. And notwithstanding that, Israel is blamed for the failure of peace.

 
 

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