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Trump’s Lawyer Forgets to Pretend He’s Innocent, Also Compares Him to Mobster

  

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Via:  johnrussell  •  8 years ago  •  77 comments

Trump’s Lawyer Forgets to Pretend He’s Innocent, Also Compares Him to Mobster

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/trumps-lawyer-cohen-forgets-to-pretend-trump-is-innocent.html

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One of the ways in which the scandals around President Trump have come to resemble a mob movie, other than the nature of the crimes themselves, is that nobody involved is putting up much of a pretense that Trump is innocent. Asked today by Katy Tur if “there’s any chance [Michael Cohen] would end up cooperating, flipping,” Anthony Scaramucci said no, because Cohen ‘is a very loyal person.”

You meant because Trump is innocent, right? Cohen is not going to testify against Trump because Trump did nothing wrong?

Not all of Trump’s supporters feel so confident that Cohen will respect the omerta. In a conversation with Trump last Friday, Jay Goldberg, one of Trump’s lawyers, warned the president, “Michael will never stand up [for you]” if charged by the government, according to the Wall Street Journal . But why would Trump have anything to worry about, unless… Trump committed a crime that Cohen knows about?

In an interview with the Journal , Goldberg elucidated his concerns about Cohen’s loyalty and the devastating impact it would have if he cooperated with the government. “The mob was broken by Sammy ‘The Bull’ Gravano caving in out of the prospect of a jail sentence,” Goldberg explained.

Again, this makes a lot of sense as a legal defense strategy for a businessman who has probably done a lot of illegal stuff. But as a public relations strategy, isn’t Trump’s lawyer supposed to say he believes Cohen is innocent, and would be shocked to learn if he did something wrong, because of course Trump has never engaged in any illegal behavior and would never tolerate it among his employees? He’s probably not supposed to casually liken the president of the United States to the boss of a criminal syndicate.

Update : Politico has more reporting on Trump allies expressing concern that Cohen will flip on Trump. All of the sources implicitly assume both Cohen and Trump are guilty of serious crimes. (Because otherwise, Cohen couldn’t give prosecutors any information damaging to Trump.) And many of them also use mafia lingo. “I think for two years or four years or five years Michael Cohen would be a stand-up guy. I think he’d tell them go piss up a rope,” says a defense lawyer who represents a senior Trump aide, “But depending on dollars involved, which can be a big driver, or if they look at him and say it’s not two to four years, it’s 18 to 22, then how loyal is he?”

18-22 years sounds like it would involve some pretty serious crimes, huh?


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    8 years ago

. Asked today by Katy Tur if “there’s any chance [Michael Cohen] would end up cooperating, flipping,” Anthony Scaramucci said no, because Cohen ‘is a very loyal person.”

You meant because Trump is innocent, right? Cohen is not going to testify against Trump because Trump did nothing wrong?

Not all of Trump’s supporters feel so confident that Cohen will respect the omerta. In a conversation with Trump last Friday, Jay Goldberg, one of Trump’s lawyers, warned the president, “Michael will never stand up [for you]” if charged by the government, according to the Wall Street Journal . But why would Trump have anything to worry about, unless… Trump committed a crime that Cohen knows about?

 
 
 
Pedro
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2  Pedro    8 years ago

This was an interesting read, and you also don't see use of the word "omerta" very often either, so that was a nice inclusion.

It's hilarious just how arrogant the Trump team is, that they don't even consider thinking before they speak.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  seeder  JohnRussell    8 years ago

Although it is somewhat belaboring the obvious in the context of this article, it is still a good question - if Trump is innocent why is there so much talk of people 'flipping' on him? 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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4  cobaltblue    8 years ago

Breaking news: Trump just twittered that Mueller called him and told him he was the most innocent man in the history of humankind. And that he's the best looking innocent man that ever lived. And had the biggest hands of anyone anywhere who's that innocent. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.2  It Is ME  replied to  cobaltblue @4    8 years ago

I like "Cute" ! blushing

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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4.2.1  cobaltblue  replied to  It Is ME @4.2    8 years ago
I like "Cute" !

Trump has some cute moments . 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.2.3  It Is ME  replied to  cobaltblue @4.2.1    8 years ago
Trump has some cute moments.

Yep !

Obama did too. Gotta luv his tongue being a bit scardy cat of what he truly wanted.  laughing dude

obama.jpg

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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4.2.4  cobaltblue  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.2    8 years ago

laughing dude

... and that is why I love you!

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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4.2.6  cobaltblue  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.5    8 years ago
Barron did those cute pictures but leave it to the Donald to take credit for them.

I should have known. "Meow" was spelled correctly. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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4.2.8  cobaltblue  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.7    8 years ago
And didn't say 'Believe me'

Oh, that was good ... real good! That should be a drinking game too. And every time he holds up that little index finger while 'crooking' his little little finger just so, you gotta slam a shot of tequila. 

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. 

 
 
 
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4.2.9  Raven Wing   replied to  Tessylo @4.2.7    8 years ago

"And didn't say 'Believe me"

Anyone whose Mantra is "Believe me" is someone I will never trust, or believe, as they are undoubtedly untrustworthy, or they would not have to ask to be trusted so much. For me, trust is in what they do, not what they say, and a person who cannot or will not be a person of their word and changes their mind or stance on things from one hour to the next is not a person to be trusted, as they are lying, easily influenced by others, or both. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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4.2.10  cobaltblue  replied to  Raven Wing @4.2.9    8 years ago
not a person to be trusted, as they are lying, easily influenced by others, or both.

Wise words, Raven. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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5  cobaltblue    8 years ago

Update :  Politico  has more reporting on Trump allies expressing concern that Cohen will flip on Trump. 

But in order to keep some sense of loyalty to Trump after turning on him, he intends to stand before the court after sentencing and repeat what he's heard Trump's teavangelical base saying all along: "Let he who HASN’T raw dogged a porn star just after the birth of his fifth child with his third wife cast the first stone."

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.2  It Is ME  replied to  cobaltblue @5    8 years ago
"Let he who HASN’T raw dogged a porn star just after the birth of his fifth child with his third wife cast the first stone."

The "Kardashian soap opera". They'll have a baby with ANYONE too. But they are "Stars" ! Hey "Dad"? need some of my makeup ? chuckle

They're my "Heroes" ! stunned

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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5.2.1  cobaltblue  replied to  It Is ME @5.2    8 years ago
But they are "Stars"

More like enterpreneurs. We too could possibly become famous simply by making a home porn video. So many possibilities, so little time!

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.2.2  It Is ME  replied to  cobaltblue @5.2.1    8 years ago
So many possibilities, so little time!

Ain't that the truth. Big hugs

"More like enterpreneurs. "

So that's what it's called now. confused

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.2.3  It Is ME  replied to  It Is ME @5.2.2    8 years ago

Obama going to the Porn....ummmm.....Prom , and after the Prom !

Obama Date.jpg After.jpg

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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5.2.4  cobaltblue  replied to  It Is ME @5.2.3    8 years ago
 
 
 
cobaltblue
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5.2.5  cobaltblue  replied to  It Is ME @5.2.3    8 years ago
 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.2.6  It Is ME  replied to  cobaltblue @5.2.5    8 years ago

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.2.7  It Is ME  replied to  cobaltblue @5.2.4    8 years ago

I see a Putin body Double under Trumps head. laughing dude

 
 
 
katrix
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5.2.8  katrix  replied to  It Is ME @5.2    8 years ago
But they are "Stars"

I've always wondered how someone who's never actually done anything can have "fans."  Paris Hilton really started it - and Kim Kardashian was her assistant back then.  It must piss her off that Kim took a page from her book, made a sex tape herself (complete with golden shower from what I've heard, thus really one-upping Paris), eclipsed her, and ended up MUCH more famous.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.2.9  It Is ME  replied to  katrix @5.2.8    8 years ago
I've always wondered how someone who's never actually done anything can have "fans."

Got me.....but it's a money maker for sure. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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5.2.10  cobaltblue  replied to  katrix @5.2.8    8 years ago
ended up MUCH more famous

Golden showers? Good grief.

Say this three times fast: She sells sea smells down by the pee whore.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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5.2.12  cobaltblue  replied to  Release The Kraken @5.2.11    8 years ago
Where's the pecker of pickled Pence Putin Piper picked?

BRAVISSIMO!! 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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5.2.13  Raven Wing   replied to  Release The Kraken @5.2.11    8 years ago

thumbs up

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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5.2.16  cobaltblue  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.14    8 years ago
I think I'm gonna pee myself.

The old adage is true: 

You can lead a whore to water but you can't make her think. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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5.2.17  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  cobaltblue @5.2.16    8 years ago

Didn't you mean "tink?"

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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5.2.19  cobaltblue  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5.2.17    8 years ago
Didn't you mean "tink?"

Hey! I was just wondering where you were ... I wrote down ten puns I thought people would win anti-pun people over. Unfortunately for me, no pun in ten did. 

That's an old joke, by the way. I really wanted a pun about pole vaulters, but none of them seemed to go over well.

 
 
 
Kavika
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6  Kavika     8 years ago
Not all of Trump’s supporters feel so confident that Cohen will respect the omerta

LOL, now we drifted into the world of the ''Godfather''

Sammy ''The Bull'' will be a on site tech adviser in the upcoming movie...''The Gang That Couldn't Talk Straight''.....

 
 
 
DocPhil
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6.1  DocPhil  replied to  Kavika @6    8 years ago

Now I'm laughing my ass off. I can just picture Trump screaming at all his buddies in Attica the day that the movie comes out......."Hey you guys, this is going to be the hugest, biggerest, most profitable, bestest, movie ever. It's going to make upteen billion dollars, almost enough to pay my lawyer's fees. I'm going to be getting the biggest, most golden academy award ever. The only thing is that they should have done justice to the movie and named it The Greatest Biggerest Story Ever Told".

 
 
 
Kavika
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6.1.1  Kavika   replied to  DocPhil @6.1    8 years ago

Bada bing, bada boom....Bigly, covfefe.

 
 
 
Kavika
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6.1.2  Kavika   replied to  Kavika @6.1.1    8 years ago

TRUMPS FORMER ATTORNEY WARNED HIM NOT TO TRUST COHEN.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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7  Skrekk    8 years ago
“But depending on dollars involved, which can be a big driver, or if they look at him and say it’s not 2 to 4 years, it’s 18 to 22, then how loyal is he?”

Based on other reporting I've read about Cohen's ownership interest in the club from which the Russian mob ran their business it sounds like Cohen has some significant legal exposure.    No wonder Trump rents to so many Russian mobsters -  he's not merely laundering money for them, he's drinking buddies with them.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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7.1  cobaltblue  replied to  Skrekk @7    8 years ago
he's not merely laundering money for them, he's drinking buddies with them.

Bingo!

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8  cobaltblue    8 years ago

So there’s also another possibility: Trump could try to grant Cohen a   presidential pardonbefore Cohen even considers a plea deal with Mueller. But that would only get Cohen out of jeopardy in federal court. He could still end up in prison if he’s tried or convicted on state charges.

Pardons only work for federal crimes, not state crimes

First, a quick primer on presidential pardons. Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution reads in part: “[The president] shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.” That gives the president of the United States the power to pardon people convicted of federal crimes through “executive clemency.” So Trump absolutely could pardon any of his associates   accused, charged, or convicted of a federal crime, including Cohen.

State and federal crimes are different. A state crime, which might include robbery, burglary, or aggravated assault, breaks state law (most crimes committed are state crimes). Federal crimes, in comparison, are ones that violate US federal legislation, and are prosecuted by a US attorney. Examples of federal crimes include mail fraud or organized crime. But some crimes violate state   and   federal law —   for example, someone can commit a murder (state crime) that also violates federal hate crimes law (federal crime).

In the Cohen case, it appears that he’s currently under investigation for violations of federal law — specifically, bank fraud, wire fraud, and campaign finance violations. But bank fraud is also a state crime, meaning that Cohen could be prosecuted on that charge by a New York district attorney, though it’s not currently clear what the theory behind the bank fraud allegations is.

Cohen could face several New York-based charges — and there’s nothing Trump could do about it

The investigations into Cohen are ongoing, and he hasn’t yet been charged with any crime. But Sonja Starr, also of the University of Michigan Law School, said that the investigators are looking into several issues that would be prosecuted at the state level rather than the federal level.

The investigations could lead to charges of bank fraud, money laundering, and threats of violence — all state crimes. If Cohen is charged with violating campaign finance laws in his payment to   Stormy Daniels, on the other hand, that would be a federal crime.

“The fact pattern in this case certainly suggests that various state charges are possible,” she said, “in New York [in addition to] any other states where criminal conduct took place.”

If Cohen were to face state charges, only the governor of New York could pardon him. And that’s not Trump — that’s Andrew Cuomo, who earlier this year   threatened to sue the president over the Republican tax bill.

In short, Michael Cohen’s legal problems go way beyond Robert Mueller’s investigation.

Cite .

I hope these people know that in order to receive a pardon, they have to admit guilt to a certain degree. I also find it interesting that it has even been brought up already. I thought Trump claimed his innocence. Why is he acting guilty? Why doesn't he just let the Justice Department and the feds do their jobs? If I were innocent of all alleged charges, I'd say 'investigate away!' Not Trump though. If he's as innocent as he claims, why is he behaving as if he's guilty?

 
 
 
T.Fargo
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8.1  T.Fargo  replied to  cobaltblue @8    8 years ago
Not Trump though. If he's as innocent as he claims, why is he behaving as if he's guilty?

I'm leaning toward Because he is.   He also doesn't understand how our republic works with checks and balances and all.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.1.1  cobaltblue  replied to  T.Fargo @8.1    8 years ago
I'm leaning toward Because he is.

I ain't leaning toward that, I'm laying on top of it!

 
 
 
Skrekk
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8.2  Skrekk  replied to  cobaltblue @8    8 years ago
If Cohen were to face state charges, only the governor of New York could pardon him. And that’s not Trump — that’s Andrew Cuomo, who earlier this year threatened to sue the president over the Republican tax bill.

Cuomo is pushing to get the state's double jeopardy statute revised so that it specifically excludes federal convictions which were subsequently pardoned.    I hope that happens soon.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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9  cobaltblue    8 years ago

In a court   filing   last week, the acting U.S. attorney for New York’s Southern District explained the FBI raid was “the result of a months-long investigation” into the president’s lawyer and that prosecutors were looking for evidence of crimes related to his business dealings.

Trump and his allies fear that documents and recordings that the FBI swept up from Cohen’s home and office could come back to haunt the president, whose lawyers have joined Cohen’s in New York in asserting attorney-client privilege and are   asking   a federal judge to approve an independent review of the material.

“Who knows what Cohen has in those files,” said a person close to the White House.

But their concerns go beyond Cohen’s voluminous files. Increasingly, Trump’s outside advisers are worried about the risk posed by Cohen himself.

“I think for two years or four years or five years Michael Cohen would be a stand-up guy. I think he’d tell them go piss up a rope. But depending on dollars involved, which can be a big driver, or if they look at him and say it’s not two to four years, it’s 18 to 22, then how loyal is he?” said one defense lawyer who represents a senior Trump aide in Mueller’s Russia investigation.

“Is he two years loyal? Is he 10 years loyal? Is he 15 years loyal?” the attorney added. “That’s the currency. It’s not measured in inches. It’s measured in years.”

Jay Goldberg, a longtime Trump lawyer, told the   Wall Street Journal   that he spoke with Trump on Friday about Cohen and warned the president against trusting Cohen if he is facing criminal charges. Goldberg said he warned the president that Cohen “isn’t even a 1” on a scale of 1 to 100, where 100 was remaining fully loyal to the president, the newspaper reported.

Cite . [Emphasis mine.]

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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10  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו    8 years ago

People who know Cohen seem to think it's a near certainty he'll roll on Dump. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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10.1  cobaltblue  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @10    8 years ago
People who know Cohen seem to think it's a near certainty he'll roll on Dump.

True dat. Most people got that clue from Cohen stating the FBI was "polite and respectful." Certainly a 180 on his usual pitbull demeanor, which to them indicated that change was afoot. Imagine. People thinking something's up because a Trump ally is polite. 

 
 

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