"Conservatives", What Are You Going To Do When The New Investigation Into The FBI Trump Ordered Comes Up Empty?
Trump got his way to an extent and got Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein to agree to an investigation by the Dept Of Justice Inspector General into the actions of FBI personnel involved in the "Russia" probe. Trump seems to think that there was criminal misbehavior on the part of FBI personnel who were biased in favor of Hillary Clinton and taking orders from either Clinton or Obama.
There is no evidence of such misbehavior which is why many observers say it was wrong for Rosenstein to give in to Trump.
This is what I want to know. What are you Trumpsters going to say when the IG investigation comes back with a finding of no wrongdoing on the part of the FBI ? Because that is what is going to happen.
Months ago, Trump demanded the same thing as they gave him yesterday, and Jeff Sessions announced then that the claim was baseless.
Rosenstein already knows what the IG will find, nothing of the sort Trump is praying for.
What o what will all you Trumpsters do when this holy grail bubble is burst, as it surely will be?
I think we know the answer to that. You will demand another investigation!!!!!
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Oh my JR....where do I start?
There are mountains of evidence going all the way back to the illegally obtained FISA warrant. Now the Democrats have admitted that they did indeed insert Stephan Halper into the inner circle into Trump's campaign. The NYT and WaPo pretty much outed him in their preemptive strike with last weeks article. It seems like it's Halper's name on that oh so secret "heavily redacted" memo that the dopey Dems are trying so hard not to release. I will leave it to other forum members to fill in the details and timelines on this vast left wing conspiracy.
This whole scandal keep gathering legs and weight like a growing centipede and will not be going away. As is usually the case, the liberals and never Trumpers, in trying to be so cute and clever in trying to pin something on Trump, invariably overreached and got in over their empty heads. Now, they are going to pay the price...the public is fed up with dirty tricks.
As a rule of thumb, if you are going to try to justify your position, DO NOT START OFF WITH SUCH AN OBVIOUS AND BLATANT LIE.
You could have ended before the pretend illegality of the FISA warrants and saved time accomplishing the same thing, if wishes were horses beggars could ride.
Excuse me...the FISA warrant obtained under false pretenses based on lies and incorrect information. .
"There is no evidence of such misbehavior which is why many observers say it was wrong for Rosenstein to give in to Trump."
John, What planet have you been on? There is all sorts of misbehavior not only on the Trump investigation but the Clinton investigation as well! Are you prepared for what the IG is going to reveal about the FBI procedures during the Clinton investigation? Will you accept it?
As for "Rosenstein giving in", are you calling for his resignation?
Maybe in your opinion, but that opinion is not shared with anyone outside of Russia.
Be sure to contact the FISC judges with your concerns. I'm sure they'll be very impressed by your legal acumen.
I hear they are none too happy about how they were deceived.
One would think that if the Democrats were going to prosecute a 'vast right wing conspiracy' that they could find a DEMOCRAT to do so. Instead, y'all want everyone to believe that the Democratic 'deep state couldn't find anyone other than a well known LIFE LONG REPUBLICAN.
Oh and BTFW, what part did Stephan Halper play in the Trump campaign AFTER he was 'inserted' into the 'inner circle'? Did Stephan Halper participate in campaign meetings, attend speeches, talk over strategy with Don Jr, Jared and Paul?
It's pretty ironic that you characterize Page and Papadopoulos as members of the 'inner circle' when Trump and his minions call them both low level volunteers.
I can't imagine that any of the confidential informants the FBI uses are happy that the thugs in the GOP-controlled Congress can so easily blow their cover. It reminds me of what the Bush regime did to Valerie Plame and her network of informants.
You DO? From whom? Please DO share your inside information about the unhappiness of the FISA Judges.
I've recently read some official correspondence written by FISA Court Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer and she didn't express any unhappiness whatsoever.
Babble, babble, babble - I hate Trump - Trump sux - Trump's socks don't match - Trump plays better poker than I do.
Babble, babble, babble.
And, just think John, of all the people who will be rubbing your face in all your Trump hate when your former President and administration are placed behind bars.
Lol. Wow. Just ... wow.
Babble, I think not, and no one cares about trumps socks I actually expect he doesn't wear any and yes he probably does play poker well, liars often do.
They will loudly proclaim it was a rigged investigation and Obama destroyed the massive amount of evidence while he was orchestrating the deep state.
Explain the actions of Loretta Lynch?
Do you mean a conversation on the open tarmac with numerous witnesses between acquaintances allegedly conspiring, that Loretta Lynch? Going there you might wish to extend to the fact that your boy trump is trying to control the Justice dept and the republican Congress in the investigation which is easily interpreted to be exerting influence and manipulation in the investigation which ALL by itself is an impeachable offense. Couple that with his attempt to damage a business by using his position to cause said business financial harm in retaliation for "fake News" which is code for anything he doesn't like and there you have independent grounds for impeachment yet again and we haven't even got to the potential criminal charges derived from the ongoing investigation by Mueller or the State of NY. When you hitch your wagon to a lame horse, don't complain when the race is lost at the start.
So you have no answer for my question. You need to talk about Trump.
Thanks for proving everything iv'e been saying
there is zero chance of that john. there is no "if" about people going to jail... they will.
the only question is how many are willing to fall on their swords to protect those at the top.
Cheers
Yes and you demand the investigation be stopped except for the investigation that you demand be started which is the one with nothing to substantiate it in lieu of the one that is producing a bumper crop. How funny!
On the contrary kind sir, but the impending investigation into the Obama bag of dirty tricks has all kind of evidence to support it, while the other one has produced mostly Russians, and a handful of Trump people who got coerced into falling into the "perjury trap"
Nobody is demanding any investigation be stopped. Certain people, however want to ignore real wrongdoing. That's what's going on
stop playing with your imagination I never demanded mueller be stopped.
he is a joke, who I think should be free to have all the time and rope he needs to hang himself.
Do you have ANY proof at all of any of this crap?
A perjury trap is one where if you admit wrongdoing you are screwed, if you lie about it hoping the prosecutor doesn't know what you do is what is called a perjury trap, because they just might.
If Mueller is a joke then I expect that makes both of us dumber than a common rock, I for one would not want him matching wits with me, I would expect to lose. There are many that are screaming to have the investigation ended yesterday and their motivations are obvious, how you are blissfully unaware is most curious.
want me to help you out here?
I am blissfully aware...
Cheers
Were you looking in a mirror when you wrote this?
Wrong. The FBI will charge you with lying if someone else tells a different version and they CHOOSE to believe them instead of you. That is part of the corruption of the DOJ and FBI
Nope, I was looking right at Andy McCabe, James Comey, James Clapper, Loretta Lynch and Barak Obama
It will be the main investigation and not the sideshow they has been created as yet another deflection, yes jail is on the horizon and none will fall on their swords because they will know trump can do them no good, he will seek to save himself at any cost, the canaries are already singing.
Yep, those left winged canaries will be singing their little hearts out as the we approach the midterms.
They are left winged because they no longer have right wings anymore.
Well, we have seen that happen already, Flynn, Papadopoulos, Page, Gates, the list is growing everyday of people turning against Trump to save their own necks.
Wrong. They threatened to go after Flynn’s son so like a good soldier, he admitted to a lie he never told
Page has never been charged nor has he cooperated with the FBI or Mueller.
Gates was charged with things that have nothing to do with Trump and will end up being just part of the usual thuggery of the DOJ.
Papadopolous is a useful idiot who barely knows his own name, much less anything about Trump and the campaign
leftists like yourself hate Trump and conservatives so much that you desperately cling to the wild hope that you can overturn the results of the 2016 election. It’s not going to happen and Trump will be president until January 2025
Flynn's son was just as guilty as his dad was, their whole business was dealing with foreign powers and, Flynn lied about being a registered foreign agent to the Mueller investigation, that is what got him, if he had admitted that he was a foreign agent then he would have only lost his job in the White House but, he chose to lie to Mueller and, that alone is a crime, now, he is being asked to give information on the campaign itself and, IF something comes up about Trump dealing with foreign powers to become president then Mueller will have Trump by the balls. Notice, I did say IF.
Page's problem comes from before he joined the Trump campaign, his dealings with spy's from Russia and, the possibility that he is an "asset" to the Russian government.
Gates has evidence on Manafort, Manafort has evidence on Trump and, his campaign, Gates has been turned and, is helping the Mueller investigation. Both Gates and, Manafort have connections to Putin and, his government. What do you want to bet they know more than the average Trumpet about what went on in 2016?
So he LIED to the FBI about LYING to the FBI.
Actually, Page stated that he cooperated fully with the FBI.
Gates pled GUILTY.
Wow, you fraternity bros should have a meeting to get on the same page. One says he was part to the inner circle and now he knows nothing.
That sound awfully close to a sweeping generalization to me...
Only in conservative republican land will you find such blatant attempts at obstruction of justice and a bunch of whiners complaining about how anyone found out about the dozens of Trump campaign members who had secret meetings with Russian operatives and then lied about it to the FBI. In any other political environment our legislators would be aghast at the mountain of evidence found, the 17 indictments and 5 guilty pleas that the special investigation has so far come up with. But not with conservative Republicans, they circle their lying wagons and attempt to protect the most corrupt executive branch in American history, all to save their sorry asses and to push a fascist agenda on the American people. If this were the Obama administration the Republicans would be screaming "Obstruction!" and would call any leak of intelligence a "Hero whistle-blower!" instead of trying to criminalize anyone who leaks the truth about this monumental disaster of a Presidency. They would be calling any investigation by the FBI fully warranted and consider any informant an American patriot. Their actions attempting to divert and distract attention away from Trumps criminal enterprises proves how truly desperate these sad Republican losers really are. The hypocrisy of elected conservative Republicans truly knows no bounds.
Explain how asking for a closer look at what seems to be highly irregular and perhaps even illegal conduct is can be considered to be "obstruction". I don't think even Mueller would call it that!
I can smell your fear.
Because we want to investigate blatant wrongdoing by the FBI & DOJ?
found out about the dozens of Trump campaign members who had secret meetings with Russian operatives and then lied about it to the FBI.
The meetings were legal, what were the lies?
In any other political environment our legislators would be aghast at the mountain of evidence found, the 17 indictments and 5 guilty pleas that the special investigation has so far come up with.
Which had nothing to do with "collusion"
If this were the Obama administration the Republicans would be screaming "Obstruction!" and would call any leak of intelligence a "Hero whistle-blower!" instead of trying to criminalize anyone who leaks the truth about this monumental disaster of a Presidency.
I got a little bulletin for ya. This may turn out to be all about the radical Barak Obama and his ideologue operatives
They would be calling any investigation by the FBI fully warranted and consider any informant an American patriot
That is what you are doing. An investigation (really two) which has gone on since July, 2016 without a criminal predicate and to this very day has no evidence of "collusion'. That alone should tell you something. Of course we've covered this ground hundreds of times and it has little to do with the topic of this article, which is the questionable actions of Obama's DOJ, FBI and CIA
Maybe you can get Jack Bauer to look into it for you since the "deep state" and the supposed Obama corruption fiction half wits keep peddling is just as real as he is. I almost feel sad for those convincing themselves of some fictional government plot to undermine Trump, he needs no undermining, he's an abject moron much like most of his devout followers. You guys will have one seriously bad day when this all comes out and Mueller finishes his investigation and releases all the concrete evidence of Trump campaign malfeasance and illegal activities. Most people know Trump's an incompetent narcissistic half wit, but kicking him out of office, shaming his ignorant ass with the facts and dumping him in the sewer of history will be a great day for real American patriots and one we look forward to.
I don't know what is taking him so long? He has a very broad mandate. He's become a roving US attorney, into money laundering, bank fraud and various degrees of perjury. Even his team has been given broad powers. He must be using all this time to build up the drama! We are ready. Are you?
It took over two years to get all the evidence on Nixon, six years for Iran/Contra and, the Republicans spent four years trying to get something on Hillary, not to mention over nine investigations during that time with no results and, you thought that was great so, what's the problem now, scared that Mueller will find something and, your precious Trump will end up wearing orange?
You really mean "SOMETHING" don't you?.....That's what it's about for the left. The belief that if anyone is investigated long enough, in every activity, eventually something will be found.
That is what you stand for?
Ok, good to know
Nah, this is more what those on the right think. How long and, how many investigations have been run on Hillary with no results.....by Republicans? And, ya'all are still wanting to investigate her for something, anything.
The Republican backed Ken Starr investigation took over two years and ended up with two charges against Clinton, both of which he was acquitted, the Republican Benghazi investigation took over 4 years and not a single indictment. Mueller's barely hit a year and a half and Republicans are losing their minds claiming it's taking too long even though he's already gotten 17 indictments and 5 guilty pleas. Don't worry, there will be more coming soon, long before he reaches the ridiculous investigation length Republicans spent on trying to find anything to pin on Hillary but came up empty.
I learned long ago doing anything takes time. If you want a good job done usually it takes even longer. I know when I do anything that's how it is for me.
The broader the mandate, the more to examine and the more time is too be expected.
So, you kind of supplied your own answer. I like that, no research involved ...thanks
Did you just describe Whitewater?
The deep state has been in place since WWII. Leftists used to rail against it until suddenly becoming true believers with Trump being elected President
How many times have you said that? Congress asked questions, while Obama's Justice Department controlled all those investigations. The IG report on the Hillary e-mail investigation is done. We are just waiting for the Justice Department to add their 2 cents and then it will be made public. Then what will you say when we see WHY THERE WAS NO RESULTS?
Wow, I didn't know that the Republicans, who were in charge of Congress at the time of the investigations and, were conducting them were being controlled by the DOJ back then. No wonder they have such a problem today with investigating this White House.
Then shame on you. James Comey was told by Loretta Lynch to refer to the investigation as a "matter" (just like the Clinton Campaign). The same Loretta Lynch who secretly met with Bill Clinton in the midst of the investigation. The same Loretta Lynch, who when caught, said i'll leave it up to James Comey.
Comey allowed Trump hater Peter Strzok to run the Clinton investigation. Strzok famously changed the wording in Comey's exoneration speech so that "Gross Negligence" was not used, which is within the statute that was in reality violated. There was no grand Jury, government laptops were treated as private property, immunity was granted like candy and Comey made his decision before he even interviewed Ms Clinton.
And you pretend to know none of this or are you going to say that was normal practice?
Either way the truth about how that investigation was conducted is in the IG report.
Enjoy
So, you've read the IG report already? Post it here so we can read it too.
Try reading the truth about what Comey did.
This seems like an odd way to help the Clinton campaign.
I only want to know if your'e ready to accept it whatever it finds?
What's shocking is that y'all seem to be waiting with bated breath for the 'deep state's' report about the 'deep state'.
That's been a savior thus far - the IGs.
Are you? I doubt it.
So, the IG appointed by Obama is not to be trusted? Ok..Got it
LOL, show me where I said that.
Who have reached a level of authority by being long time members of the 'deep state'. Barack Obama nominated the current IG of the DOJ. That alone should ensure that y'all can't trust him.
Haven't you read the 'evidence' against Horowitz?
Y'all LOVE gateway right?
Nope, don't read it & don't use it. I'm well aware that Michael Horowitz was appointed by Barak Obama. Iv'e pointed it out on many occasions. I have complete trust in him and all the IG's based upon their past performance. That's why I said "That's been a savior thus far - the IGs."
Maybe your point is that the term "deep state" must refer to everyone in government - yet, NOBODY HAS EVER SAID THAT!
You have failed again.
You are saying it by omission!
I asked you if you would accept the IG report's findings on the Clinton e-mail investigation. You have thus far refused to answer. That indicates to me, that you don't trust the IG. Show me where I went wrong?
A crap load of people have said that.
Failed at what exactly?
No, they haven't.
The individuals have always been set apart. Iv'e written a few articles on it, which I'll be updating tomorrow. The generalizations and twisting of words come from the left. Is that what you mean by a lot of people?
Um, hum, I'm sure that when the President refers to the former leader/leadership of the FBI, Comey & CNN immediately conflates the entire FBI with Strzok, & Page & McCabe and Comey. That is why you hear the President feel the need to praise the rank & file members of the FBI just about every time he condemns the like of Comey and the leadership of the FBI.
No, I don't trust the people on the Right who support Trump to accept the IG report, if it goes for Hillary, which it will most likely do. Vic making an assumption about what someone thinks is making an ASS out of YOU and, ME, never assume what someone is thinking.
By your assumption here I can then assume that you will not accept it when the IG comes out in favor of Hillary Clinton.
Bullshit.
I mean the same thing that Trump means when he says 'everyone says...', 'everyone thinks so'.
Again, bullshit. TRUMP and his minions fabricate allegations and the media REPORT them. Not once has Trump or Nunes predicated those allegations with 'former'.
And once more, bullshit. You can count the number of times Trump has praised the 'rank and file' on one hand. Conversely, Trump condemns employees of the FBI et al, that many times in one morning's tweets. You DO realize that Mueller and all of the people on his investigative team are employee's of the FBI/DOJ right? You DO realize that every person that participated in the gathering of documentation for the Page FOIA warrant are employees of the FBI/DOJ right? You DO realize that the professor that Trump labeled a 'spy' is a CI for the FBI right?
BTFW, I note that you failed to answer my question. You've insisted that failing to answer a question is saying something 'by omission!.
Lol, If that happens I will give you an apology. It's 400 pages btw.
I will accept it no matter what
Give us an example of when he condemned the rank & file. You try to say that as a defense of the wrongdoing that we are supposed to ignore and place all our trust now in organization, which you want to generalize.
You DO realize that Mueller and all of the people on his investigative team are employee's of the FBI/DOJ right?
Yes I do and Mueller and every one of his biased team are deep state players. Certainly not rank & file. BTW the rank & file might just love to be subpoenad so they do some talking.
You DO realize that every person that participated in the gathering of documentation for the Page FOIA warrant are employees of the FBI/DOJ right?
The Page FOIA? - I have no problem with them - yet.
You DO realize that the professor that Trump labeled a 'spy' is a CI for the FBI right?
I thought he didn't exist? or was it that he was spying for Trump's own good? The narrative keeps changing.
That's a novel way of saying that if the IG says that the FBI investigation of Clinton was PROVED to be a sham, that you will not accept it.
Thanks.
You mean this:
"Failed at what exactly?"
You failed to make your point
"What Are You Going To Do When The New Investigation Into The FBI Trump Ordered Comes Up Empty? "
Will it come up empty ?
Simple answer, they will calmly and unanimously explain that mista...........
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NANCY.....CHUCKY...….COME BACK !
Mitch, Chuck, Paul , Devon you said not to look behind the curtain and they did anyway............there's no place like home!
And here I thought you were taking about REAL "Squeerbels" !
Anyone who really knows what the FBI is and does knows there were FBI informants in Trumps Campaign but they were also in Hillary's campaign and every other Presidential campaign going back at least as far as JFK's. The FBI fishes for Dirt they can use to maintain their Power, this is J Edgar Hoover 101.
And whom would that be ?
Alex Jones
CNN, NBC, MSNBC, The View ?
I presume that Halper is the real 'plant/informant' trying to sway a volunteer of the Trump campaign?
So let me make sure I have this straight .. a newly volunteered [like as within 2 weeks] aid to the Trump campaign meets a member of academia that is interested in him only for his connection to the Trump campaign .. the 'plant' tries to get Papadopoulos to arrange a meeting between Russia and the campaign that never took place, even introducing him to a woman as if she was Putin's niece .. in fact the senior aids in the campaign rejected any possibility of a meeting ....
So outside of the illegalities of using a 'plant/informant' to try and influence a volunteer aid to a campaign by the Obama administrations FBI [does not sounds as if Papadopoulos sought out the professor, as Papadopoulos had only just arrived in Italy - professor was there already (?)] .. what is the big deal ... correct? Hard to believe that the left does not see the issue with this scenario .. is the problem that it does not fit the narrative of 'if the Obama administration had done this' 'if Obama had tried that'...? Oooo ooops! Obama's administration did try this and that, it would appear!
Hard to say what the ramifications will be .. once again must sit back and watch how things unfold! yet, I am thinking there is going to be a great deal of 'plaining to do - how convenient that Papadopoulos meets the professor that is a presumed to be an individual working with the FBI on the very day he arrives in Italy .................. 'we' shall all see soon enough
I bet the problem will be crystal clear to them if Trump uses the FBI to spy on his political opponents. Maybe he can also spy on the sanctuary states and cities so he can get evidence to arrest public officials for obstruction of justice.
Ya, there were quite a few coincidences involving 'the professor" bumping into low level people within the Trump campaign. Truly Amazing, what a small world.
I'm thinking he should be assigned to missing persons.
If happenstance encounters indicate an orchestrated conspiracy with clandestine intent then trumps co-conspirators are in deep shit as they seem to have a multitude of who would have thunk I would run into you in Cypress, Malta, Prague or a suite in trump tower!
An administration spied on a political campaign and you don't care
Sounds like the FBI was doing its job, Vic.
It's hard to see what you're whining about. Are you whining because Papadopoulos lied to Halper when he said that no Russians had approached him with offers to help the Trump campaign?
Or are you whining that the FBI was doing its job by following up on a tip about Russian efforts to interfere in a US election?
Did not realize that I was whining, I am not the one ignoring and covering up for the steps that the former administration took... Papadopoulos had only been a volunteer with the Trump campaign for 2 weeks before an informant for the FBI sought him out ..
Can you provide me with the timeline of the 'tip' being given and the informant being put into place? If you were to actually follow the timeline of Papadopoulos becoming involved in the Trump Campaign and the informants placement in Papadopoulos's path, it was a mere 14 days ...
Papadopoulos joined the administration in March 2016 met the 'alleged' FBI informant March 14th .... Does not get drunk in London until May of 2016 ... so what did the former administration and FBI know, and when did they know it?
Once again, did not know I was whining ... but I def think there is some former administration 'plainin to do..
The informant wasn't "put in place" and was never part of Trump's campaign. He's just somebody who teaches at Cambridge.
The timeline is that the Aussies alerted the FBI about Papadopoulos in May 2016, and the informant met with him in July. You would have known that if you read credible reportage rather than relying on Fox and Breitbart.
Spare me Skrekk ... I have never read Breitbart, nor sited Fox - if that is all you have, please refrain from commenting to me in the future ...
Thanks..
So why are you regurgitating a baseless conspiracy theory which is being peddled solely by far right-wing sites? It has no more legitimacy than Trump's claims that his phones were tapped.
I presume that you are conflating two separate professors and two different meetings.
The shit is piling up in trumptard's WH so much so there is now a sink hole on the north lawn......
Wait until the right wing finds out about George Nader... That sinkhole will swallow up trump and is swamp....I mean, sewer.
I thought that was Melania's escape route, she went home to her parents when she heard it collapsed.
Oh hell, John that's a easy one. When this fall through, trump will start ANOTHER investigation, and another, and another, until he gets the answer he wants the investigation and investigators to tell him. The Clinton syndrome. Or he'll investigate someone or something else. Maybe Clinton again, that always goes good, and never seems to wear out.
It wouldn't have had to come to this if the FBI were just trump's personal goons like they were supposed to be and he wanted and expected. He seems to think that it all belongs to him, for his personal use.
Should that happen you will see reams of documentation never before seen that will appear like magic in envelopes piled high like tax records.
From the election until today, the same exact forever Republican voters did what they always do, what they always have done. They simply vote any "R" into office regardless of their qualifications or unsuitability for office.
Then just like they did with Bush, they pretend it never happened.
Most of the Bush/Cheney campaign stickers are gone in the wind, they are not proud of those votes.
This will end the same way. Dirt will come out, Republican voters pretend it didn't happen, stand by their man until it becomes overwhelming like it did with Bush, and then all the Trump voters will just pretend it never even happened.
Next election no matter how unqualified, no matter how unsuitable or unfit for office, the same Republican votes-rs will do the exact same thing again, they will check the "R" box.
There is no talking with them or reasoning with them or presenting facts to them. They will vote Republican regardless of any reality.
I have said from the very beginning, Trump voters won't know what hit them until it hits their wallets and that is starting to happen sooner than even I expected.
They will pay more for insurance because of Republican sabotage to ACA, they will pay more for gas because of the horrible grandstanding foreign policies, they will still lose jobs like the jobs that were still lost in Indiana after the Pence/Trump photo ops and the other recent company closings from retail to manufacturing like Toy-R-Us or Harley Davidson.
Those jobs, the higher insurance, the higher prices for gas, and other higher prices because of bad trade policies and finally next year when Trump voters file their taxes and the year after that it will begin to dawn on them they were conned by the master.
Locked until the seeder can moderate again.