Isn't standing for the National Anthem a form of Political Correctness?
Isn't "taking a knee" during the National Anthem, an affront to Political Correctness?
Isn't an AFFRONT TO POLITICAL CORRECTNESS … what Trump and his supporters advocate?
I think the big problem this country has is being politically correct. I’ve been challenged by so many people and I don’t, frankly, have time for total political correctness. And to be honest with you, this country doesn’t have time, either.
— Donald Trump
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Let the equivocating begin!
Not sure if they have the nards.
Ain't that the truth! Trump has lied so much that those who follow him will believe anything he says. And even if someone else says it they will boo them as lying, when all they are doing is repeating the same lies Trump tells. Go figure...
kind of wish Trump had not put himself into this argument, but it didn't surprise me when he spoke his mind, which is not Politically Correct, by the way. in today's society. As far as I know, he hasn't had the IRS audit any of these football players or had the FBI start an investigation on any of them, something I can't say about the previous administration's attacks on private citizens who were abused by that administration.
They stand with all those who want to challenge our Bill of Rights when it suits them. Then the radical arm of the left who have all but taken over the party will fight tooth and nail when someone wants to enjoy their rights if it doesn't fit the Left's ideology. It's a right for an American Citizen to burn the flag, not stand up for the National Anthem or any number of other things they want to do, but it is also a right for people to dislike it and speak up about it. That's all Trump has done, spoke his mind and I agree, fire the SOB's who make millions of dollars playing ball.
They don't have freedom of speech to do something their employers won't permit, plan and simple. They can do it on their own time. They can do it right beside the field if their employers agree to it. I could care less. Their whole premise for doing it is based on a false premise in the first place. Statistics are completely contrary to the reason they say they are doing it, but the Left are always looking for ways to fill their insatiable desire to find something they don't like about this country, even if they have to make it up, when the truth is the sky is wide open for every person in this country who is willing to work and aim high.
Really? Does or does not trump complain about people being, "too PC"? Yes, he does and has for YEARS... Can you explain to me, how the right, the, "NON-PC", trump supporters reacted to this? Seems to me there was a lot of outrage, and a lot of complaining from trump himself... Yep. It seems that, "non-pc", is a one way street with trump... he can insult and slam all he wants, but as soon as someone does it to him? Well OMG, that's just too much... But the left are the snowflakes? Please... LOL
I believe that Mr. Trump and his merry band operates under the mantra of, do as I say, not as I do. Although I find this mindset throughout the political spectrum.
Not the point, Six.
The point is the hypocrisy as it applies to political correctness.
I’m not sure if an employer’s right to unilaterally abrogate an employee’s Constitutional rights has ever been challenged legally ... what if an employer permitted Christian employees to wear crucifix jewelry but forbade Stars of David and other religious garb?
I use that as an example as a preface to the question, “What if an employer allowed some employees to take a knee in a locker room but not in the front of the store (so to speak)?”
Beyond that, what if all the NFL players decide to stick together and give Trump and the Owners a collective”Fuck You” and stay in the locker room during the National Anthem?
Mr Frost, Trump and all the rest of us have the right to speak up against this disgusting photo, but she had the right to do something so disgusting. Either I did a poor job of getting my point across or you didn't read it. Either way, you didn't seem to get it. It is my right as well as Trump's to show disgust or dislike of anything whether it is PC or not and at the same time it is the right of someone to post photos like the one you've posted on your own time, but I doubt your employer would allow you to paste it onto the company bulletin board. The employer would have the right to tell you to take it down. You could challenge him or her, but I don't think you would win in court and would probably lose your job.
When LaRouche put a simple Hitler mustache on pictures of Obama, the "Left" 'bout slit their wrists in outrage.
When the Movie about GW Bush being assassinated came out, The "Left" called it "Free" speech and loved it.
When "Stupidshit (I'll cry if I can make myself") did that "ART piece(of shit)" holding a bloody Trump Head, the "Left" about orgasmed 50 or so times.
I guess the "Left" luvs seeing them some "Republican" killings in effigy ?
I hear Islamic Terrorists luvs that stuff too !
Those aren't PC issues, those are NUT BAG issues !
I've SEEN that the Tea Party loved seeing Obama hung and/or burned in effigy. Their websites are full of examples.
What is "their whole premise," sixpick? Please tell us in your own words. Also, can you tell us what is false about it.
I will agree these men may not have clear "ownership" of their platform (that is, the field), because not all players are in solidarity about this activity (protest). Still, where does the President of the United States fit in this, to 'parse out' who and what manner is a proper use the flag and anthem in a form of protest? After-all, as the video says, the flag is portrayed in countless distracting ways. And our national anthem is not a sacred melody.
This is exactly what needs to occur. Either individual teams, or the whole league, has to act in unison, former and latter. The hodge-podge approach of players standing, leaning, and kneeling during the anthem highlights this 'state of disarray.' It confuses the arena crowd and the tune-in spectators.
One thing that could work is if the network camera simply did not broadcast the players during the anthem. Is it censorship? Would the short "space" lack of coverage damage the game or serve a pacifying purpose? Food for thought.
You can do what you want to do on your own time and dime, but as long as I'm paying you to do a job, I have some demands you will abide by or you'll need to start looking for another job. I don't just have the right to complain, I have the right to run my business as I see fit. If you work for me and are required to wear a company shirt, then you'll wear that company shirt or find another job and this applies to all my employees.
I don't think I could allow some people to wear a crucifix and not others to wear a Star of David. All employees will be treated equally and fairly.
This is one rule. You're not allowed to kneel while on the field and it applies to all players. By not showing up on the field, you are accomplishing the same thing as kneeling on the field by not showing up on the field. Everyone knows why you're not there and no one else is kneeling on the field. If they are they will have to deal with that at that time. It wouldn't surprise me if the millionaire babies don't try something like kneeling on the field anyway or no one showing up on the field. If it was me, I would tell them to take a walk or at least I would like to do that,
I believe the Left would like for one of those scenarios to happen and they would support the millionaire babies, just like they have supported Hamas and MS13, when it suits them. The fact still remains the whole protest is based on a false premise anyway.
Blacks commit 50% or more of homicides in this country, while only representing 12 to 13 percent of the population. It is true 93% of the victims were also black. The Left doesn't seem to get upset about this fact. 84% of whites were killed by other whites. Studies show that police are less likely to shoot a black involved in a crime than they are a white as well. The whole protest is based on false information.
After falling victim to two young men in black hoodies around the first of 2018, I am not in too good of mood to join in on the protest which I know is a fallacy in itself. After living for many years, I became a victim for the first time in my life and I say these people can either take advantage of the opportunities in this country or they can continue to cry about how all those who want to beat up, steal and kill should get my support in saying this country is against them while it is evident they are the problem, not me. I'm lucky to be alive. I did some research when it happened to me and I couldn't even find anything about it, but I did find plenty more who weren't so lucky. With 8 or 9 policemen asking me questions while I bled and could barely stand and when they finally did leave and I went home, they were off to the next one. The police don't have time to do anything about these thugs. When they finish one report, it's off to the next report.
Even the blacks in the neighborhoods want change and it's not change in the way policemen treat blacks, it's change to get rid of these thugs who are ruling their neighborhoods.
While some people sit in their homes, live in safe environments, good black people are subjected to these thugs every day of their lives. The MSM doesn't report a number of the incidents, but they point out every incident when a white or a policeman is the offender. The people who don't experience these crimes have no idea what it's all about and are lied to and manipulated by the MSM to make them believe there is a epidemic of blacks being killed by white policemen, when it is not true. And if there is a smidgen of truth, the reason why is relative to the overall population, these thugs are involved in 50% or more of these homicides while only representing 12 to 13% of the population.
Colin Kaepernick is the son of a white woman and a black man. The father dropped the mother when he found out she was pregnant. That's when a white couple adopted him when his mother gave him up for adoption. He was raised in Turlock, California. The demographics were 49% white and 38% Hispanic in this town with a population of less than 75,000. Kaepernick was the third child and the youngest of this couple who had lost two sons to heart defects. He didn't live in the slums of poverty. He didn't see what those people lived in. He was a good student and graduated with a 4.0 GDP. He has been duped by the MSM like so many others have.
I think what Kathy Griffin did with this image is disgusting. She 'played' herself. It is immature and wrong for the country. Just substitute in your minds eye, any number of different faces on that "head" and we would all gasp and gag at Kathy's lack of restraint! Imagine: Journalist James Foley (beheaded by ISIS), Barack Obama, or some member of your family, portrayed as a snatched head and you will 'taste' in the back of your mouth the nausea Kathy Griffin recklessly let loose.
I am a liberal who loves to laugh at Ms. Griffin's work. I know a good joke when I see one. Funny lady, that image will empty out a room!
Totally agree with you.
calbab, as I understand it, she didn't do herself any favors by acting so disgustingly. But at the same time, it is her right to do it. It is also our right to express our disgust over it, but if she worked for some company and stuck that photo on the wall, it is the right of the owner to fire her, because the right to express oneself does have its limits and especially when done on company property and on company time. You have your right to criticize the government on your own time, that's your freedom of speech. It has nothing to do with being PC or not being PC in my opinion.
As a fan in the stands, I have the right to sit down and ignore the National Anthem, but as an employee of the NFL, a football player's rights are limited to what their contract states. The owners should have put their foot down right from the beginning. Trump should have stayed out of it, but he does have the right to express his opinion.
The NFL has also suffered from the way they handled the whole thing and when it comes up again and it will, the way they handle it will determine whether people turn them on or turn them off and whether their attendance at games increases or decreases. They have the right to handle it any way they want to.
You'll have to talk to a "Specific" tea party member. The "Left" is a general overall group, not "Specific", unless Kathy Types belong to a specific group like "Antifa" !
President Donald Trump has no right to make take concerted steps to overpower this issue. (See: Staging VP walk-out of NFL game. Name-checking players: "Son of bitch.") Moreover, there is a question as to the roles of NFL owners>players>fans in putting together a great day and season of football:
Furthermore, it is wrong for this president to take sides the "country club" attitude against the field 'workers,' no pun intended. President Donald Trump should vocalize the issues disturbing the players: police violence and killings of unarmed black men, and other unarmed citizens in general. Our president should do that as often as he vocalizes his personal dissatisfaction with having his game-time punctuated with kneeling black athletes. It would essentially clarify that he understands the issues involved.
Yes, Kathy Griffin had to, and deserved to, take time out for her display of arrogance! That imagery was a form of namecalling in it is own right.
Sixpick, I take great exception to your nuanced namecalling of these predominately black men as "millionaire babies." Their wealth has little if anything at all to do with their protest: Violence against and killing of unarmed black males, and other unarmed citizens by armed law enforcement. Why 'blend' these professionals into a 'batter' with hardened criminal elements? Is this really the only perspective you choose to relate to when you see the kneeling protest on the field?
Furthermore, are these professional players, "thugs," "gangsters," "muggers," or "murders"? Your comment mixed truly deplorable types and categories in with an organization of law-abiding, upstanding, professional team players. Can you understand what is wrong with doing that?
MANY of them do have criminal records.
Awesome post. I think Kaepernick started taking himself seriously which a lot of people, unfortunately, do. I wonder if he even remembers why he took to his knee the first time.
Oh? That surprises me. Do you have a source?
Bullshit. The 'Tea Party' is as much a 'general overall group' as the 'Left' is.
In 1934, a German football team was banned from playing because they wouldn't give Nazi salute
Do you live in a cave? I know you aren't THAT ignorant to think that they are "law abiding citizens".
Explains why they don't protest DUI, Drugs, Domestic Violence Assault / Battery, Gun, License / Traffic, Disorderly conduct, Alcohol, Resisting Arrest, Theft / Burglary, Sex, Murder / Manslaughter, Animal Abuse. You know REAL problems.
Bullshit back atchya !
There are only 17 so-called tea-party members in congress !
How many Lefties are in congress again ?
The only Democrat with a record running for office is David Alcorn, convicted of stalking , who is one of nine candidates for the party’s nomination in New Mexico’s 2nd Congressional District. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee would not support Alcorn, saying “he is not fit to run for office.”
Republicans Have 4 Convicted Criminals Running For Congress In 2018
From YOUR link:
Would you care to try again?
How dare you defame these young men? So, it is your statement the NFL is licensed to employ criminal elements/run a criminal enterprise? Is this what goes for snark these days? Or, open deceit?
Huffington Post. So you don't have a real link.
Now, of those 1700, how many does it say have records?
Oh no! I triggered you. Give me a few minutes to make sure I care. Nope, sorry don't care.
It's not defaming them. It's reality. Many of them have criminal records. That's fact. I didn't make them criminal. They made them criminals.
What part of my comment was bullshit? Please be specific.
Since when did we start talking about Congress. Oh and that refutes you claim that the Tea Party have to be talked about as individuals. Glad you came around.
None, there are Democrats, Republicans and Independents.
Triggered me? Interesting. So,. . . I see you're going with open deceit.
I just looked it up......27 active NFL players have multiple criminal offenses.
Link?
WTF??
Are you really asking me to explain your own link to you?
Do you know how to type in your browser "how many NFL players have criminal records". Click on enter and there it is!!!
27 of active NFL players have multiple criminal offenses!
I hope you and Jeremy can get together to produce something worthy of being posted. Your number is even less impressive than his. "27" represents 1.5 percent.
Wow. Staggering!
Which has nothing to with the hypocrisy regarding PC and how it's selectively impugned and accepted by Trump and his minions.
As Bob said, that's 1.5% of active NFL. Conversely, 12% of those entering the military need a waiver because of their criminal records. Since you like siting numbers, that's an 800% difference.
Meh, go for it. Few would really care either way.
Most don’t watch a NFL football game to see if players come out for the National Anthem or not. Besides, players coming out for the NA is a relatively new thing in the NFL. Used to be they didn’t come out until after.
Goodell finally did something right. About time!
Until this.
How the NFL sold patriotism to the U.S. military for millions
Standing for the national anthem is a new concept that may have coincided with a government marketing campaign.
… many of the military displays present at NFL games were, at one time, were financed by the government. Rather than organic, wholesome expressions of patriotism — the kind Trump has claimed NFL players are disrespectfully protesting — the tradition of players standing for the national anthem is a recent tradition that may have coincided with a marketing ploy meant to sell cheap, manufactured nationalism.
How the Pentagon Paid for NFL Displays of Patriotism
A key component is missing from the current controversial discussion surrounding football players and the national anthem. In the recent days of argument over whether NFL players have the right to protest racial inequality and systemic injustice in the United States, few have brought up the fact that less than a decade ago, professional football players didn’t even appear on the field during the national anthem.
That changed in 2009, as the Department of Defense poured millions of dollars into the NFL in exchange for displays of patriotism during games. “Until 2009, no NFL player stood for the national anthem because players actually stayed in the locker room as the anthem played,” ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith explained in 2016 . “The players were moved to the field during the national anthem because it was seen as a marketing strategy to make the athletes look more patriotic. The United States Department of Defense paid the National Football League $5.4 million between 2011 and 2014, and the National Guard $6.7 million between 2013 and 2015 to stage onfield patriotic ceremonies as part of military-recruitment budget line items.”
In the last 53 years, Democrats have been in the Oval Office for 25 of those years, while Republicans held it for 28. In their 25 yrs in office Democrats had a total of three executive branch officials indicted with one conviction and one prison sentence. That’s one whole executive branch official convicted of a crime in two and a half decades of Democrat leadership.
In the 28 yrs that Republicans have held office over the last 53 yrs they have had a total of 120 criminal indictments of executive branch officials. 89 criminal convictions and 34 prison sentences handed down. That’s more prison sentences than years in office since 1968 for Republicans.
If you want to count articles of impeachment as indictments (they aren’t really but we can count them as an action), both sides get one more. However, Clinton wasn’t found guilty while Nixon resigned and was pardoned by Ford (and a pardon carries with it a legal admission of guilt on the part of the pardoned).
So those only serve to make Republicans look even worse.
NOTE: Again … please stay ON TOPIC.
Come on......no one is pledging allegiance or singing our Anthem for Trump. It is to OUR COUNTRY for God's sake.
so what? Now they are back in the locker room if they don’t want to stand. Right where they started in the first place. Why care?
And by the way, standing for the NA is not a new concept. That’s been accepted protocol for as long as i’ve been on the rock.
But then again you already knew that which makes one wonder why you intentionally post misleading information like that.
Didn't call it "fake news". Just want you to provide a more dependable source.
When I question a source … and I do it frequently … I always give the who, what and why I question it. I consider doing so, tantamount to questioning "witness credibility."
And after questioning the source, I offer specific rebuttal to the content involved.
By all means, question sources … but off-handed dismissal with no particulars … leaves much to be desired.
I posted the Supreme Court decision and other specifics …
Don't fucking accuse me of intentionally misleading you … if you don't know the facts, that's on you.
Right, this coming from the party that flipped the fuck out because Obama wore a tan colored suit. Save the outrage, and last I checked, this article is about trump, not Obama.
Um, so?
Here's another interactive site they can view.
Arrest Data Analysis Tool
The link above is interactive, so you can see how many arrests were made for different crimes and who committed them on this site.
Well, Jeremy, the reason why they don't protest that is it is them who are the guilty ones and Left always criticize in order to make some people think they are victims. That's how they build their base, aside to seeing to it they remain dependent on the government.
I notice we've used government links in our comments and all I see to try and disprove us are links from the huffington post and mother jones. That takes the cake, doesn't it?
And since the NFL has a lower average than the national average someone thinks they can compare apples to oranges. Chicago and several other large cities drive the average so high it would be nearly impossible for any one group of people to be higher than just those three or four cities. If it wasn't for these Liberal cities in the mix the national average would sink like a lead balloon.
If you have proof that the numbers are wrong, provide proof to the contrary.
Try again.
You post it, you own it.
You don’t like that but too bad. That’s how it works here and you know it. No matter how many classless indignations you spew.
The fact remains, standing for the National Anthem has been accepted protocol long before the progressive horseshit being displayed by a few spoiled, millionaires athletes.
And I can see you don't have a real link either. Although it's not the first time you've done it.
Then they are baffled when we probe them for actual, reliable links.
Huffington Post, just like CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post and many more are all left leaning sites with a history of altering the information or making it up to fit their agenda. You want me to actually read and acknowledge something, don't use those sites as sources.
Why? Facts stand on their own.
Not when the source is questionable.
Passive/aggressive and fails to refute the information. Typical.
so what? Now they are back in the locker room if they don’t want to stand. Right where they started in the first place. Why care?
And by the way, standing for the NA is not a new concept. That’s been accepted protocol for as long as i’ve been on the rock.
But then again you already knew that which makes one wonder why you intentionally post misleading information like that.
One thing that these guys have in common besides leaning to the left, you can trust them. I like the Washington Post because it can be trusted to source properly, MSNBC and, CNN, I take with a grain of salt and, check other sources but, I wouldn't trust FOX as far as I can throw my house.
Or get pissed off when you catch them in a complete lie they’re trying to pass off as real. That’s my favorite.
Keep drinking that koolaid.
Then you would have no problem providing a source that both sides find reputable.
Can you dispute the numbers yes or no?
Thanks for playing.
It's funny to watch them when they are called out and can't perform. That's usually when they start the name calling and retreat to their safe spaces.
Provide your link for them. Without the link, for all we know you pulled that from your ass.
LOL Where ?
How about a list or perhaps even a link. That'd be great cause as an independent I've been looking for that list for years. A list like that would make my researching for both of your sides so much damn easier.
I'll definitely check bach to see the list.
thanks
Are you having an issue following the discussion? Here, I'll help you just this once.
This specific discussion started here:
You will have to decide if you accept the member who posted the comment as 'reputable' source.
Since when is nflarrests.com a 'government link'?
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Source? Specifics?
This article is about the selective, righteous indignation of right-wing hypocrites regarding "political correctness."
I have cited by definition and legal challenges, specifics RE:"POLITICAL CORRECTNESS"
Political Correctness
• standing for the National Anthem is a form of Political Correctness … a protocol.
• "taking a knee" during the National Anthem, is an affront to protocol, thus an affront or objection to Political Correctness as it applies to standing for the National Anthem
And an AFFRONT TO POLITICAL CORRECTNESS is what Trump and his supporters advocate!
So, when players "take a knee," they are manifesting THE TRUMPIAN DISDAIN FOR POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!
But Trumpians can't handle it when they're beaten up with their own metaphorical stick, which makes them hypocrites.
The buzzwords " a few spoiled, millionaires athletes," is a racist dog whistle, like the one, former owner of the Cincinnati Reds baseball team, Marge Schott used …
On November 13, 1992, Charles "Cal" Levy, a former marketing director for the Reds, stated in a deposition for Tim Sabo, a former employee who was suing the team, that he'd heard Schott refer to then-Reds outfielders Eric Davis and Dave Parker as "million-dollar niggers .
At least Schott had the balls to openly be the bigoted asshole she was.
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The typical Trumpian manner of disagreement, is to call out anything Trump and his shills don't want to hear but cannot refute factually … hence they cry "fake news," "horeshit," "snowflake," etc. .
If point-counter-point debate is either beyond one's capability, or, if bullying and politically incorrect name-calling is what one brings to any of my articles … I invite them to stay TF away rather than to lower the level of discourse!
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I'm going fishing … play nice or disagree respectfully.
PROTOCOL -- the official procedure or system of rules governing affairs of state or diplomatic occasions
ETIQUETTE -- the customary code of polite behavior in society or among members of a particular profession or group.
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS -- conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities
"Taking a knee" FAILS TO CONFORM/VIOLATES PROTOCOL and is therefor POLITICALLY INCORRECT -- a TRUMPIAN PREFERENCE.
What is shameless and dishonorable are your personal attacks and possibly attempts to reject reality by trying to discredit me.
Post # 3.2.45 is not showing on my computer. It goes from 44 to 46
Some quotes appear meaningless when the readers don’t grasp their meaning or context.
You have yet to show any understanding of the point of the article.
Some quotes appear meaningless when the readers don’t grasp their meaning or context.
You have yet to show any understanding of the point of the article.
I know you don’t like being questioned Mac but such is the nature of sites like this and you know that as weelll. I challenge you to show me where I called you names or insulted you if that comment was intended. for me. I simply questioned this part of the article you quoted:
Again, there is nothing new about standing for the NA. Therefore that statement is misleading.
One other thing. If you want polite, respectful debate, I suggest you not ask people to stop “fucking” doing something. Perhaps you would get better results.
I see it as ghosted/faded out and inactive; I can't account for the reason … I'll alert Perrie.
Your comment to me!
When you accuse me of "intentionally posting misleading information," that's a personal attack on my integrity.
And Perrie re-posted this …
3.2.62 Perrie Halpern R.A. replied to Sparty On @ 3.2.45 6 hours ago
3.2.45 Sparty On replied to A. Macarthur @ 3.2.42 15 hours ago
so what? Now they are back in the locker room if they don’t want to stand. Right where they started in the first place. Why care?
And by the way, standing for the NA is not a new concept. That’s been accepted protocol for as long as i’ve been on the rock.
But then again you already knew that which makes one wonder why you intentionally post misleading information like that.
And you posted this …
I know you don’t like being questioned Mac but such is the nature of sites like this and you know that as weelll. I challenge you to show me where I called you names or insulted you if that comment was intended. for me. I simply questioned this part of the article you quoted:
Instead of just trying to rebut content with specific point-counter-point information, you decided I have a character flaw …
And this … implying I know better but post to otherwise mislead.
Again, there is nothing new about standing for the NA. Therefore that statement is misleading.
One other thing. If you want polite, respectful debate, I suggest you not ask people to stop “fucking” doing something. Perhaps you would get better results.
I have not contended that standing during the NA is something "NEW," and, for you to allege that, begs the question posed in the headline, namely, why the TRUMP two-faced hypocrisy regarding being opposed to political correctness (WHICH I DEFINED AT LEAST TWICE … explaining precisely why "taking a knee" goes against the very political correctness he and his sycophants love to denigrate) … UNTIL SOME BLACK NFL PLAYERS VIOLATE THE PROTOCOL/POLITICAL CORRECTNESS as it applies to standing during the NA!
And one more of yours …
3.2.54 Sparty On replied to A. Macarthur @ 3.2.48 7 hours ago
You post it, you own it.
You don’t like that but too bad. That’s how it works here and you know it. No matter how many classless indignations you spew.
If you don't agree with my indignations, you can try to explain why indignation is misplaced … but your comment implies that, in expressing indignation, I AM "CLASSLESS."
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Your grievance has been specifically addressed with examples and explanations.
Let's call detente and go forward.
Do explain precisely what is going on … and don't talk down to me. If you can't rebut content with specific rebuttal, it is you who loses ground in the debate.
LOL
I think the idea is, unless they can use derogatory words and terms to describe people and places, they don't know what to say. Some psychological thing about needing labels for everything, it's easier and so much fun. Other political correctness, the parts they like are the rituals, like standing and covering your heart for the flag, hats off in church, kneeling and bowing if a famous or wealthy persons passes by, things like that. For political correctness, see respect, and that's too much work. So hate that evil political correctness, unless applied to them.
Speaking of respect, I was raised that respect is something you earn, not something you get because you demand it. To demand respect (and obedience?) when they never give any respect to anything except power and money (and themselves and their own) doesn't happen, and that tics them off too. In fact, the more they demand, the less they get.
Go figure.
Agreed. The only language they know to use is gutter language, as they think that makes them look cool, dominant, highly knowledgeable, and in control. When in fact, it makes them look totally the opposite, completely ignorant and very disrespectful of others. And they re just too wrapped up in their vision of their own splendor to see it.
And they have the nerve to chastise others they feel they are superior to. Very comical.
That's very true, blinded by the light of their own splendor, reflected and intensified by righteousness and what they think is tradition. It must hurt, it makes some of them angry and as rude, offensive, insulting and loud as they can get, because that's how you win arguments, don't you know. Oh, and only listen to people you want to hear, because facts shake that fragile ego.
Well, after a bit of time and re-reading, I think that I'm a better person than that even if I'm not Christian or religious. Maybe not much better, but at least a little. I'm not apologizing, mind, there are a lot of people like I described.
But what I think we're looking at now is that propaganda and brainwashing has been around nearly as long as the human race and people have it down real good now, and that if you use it on the right people of the right age at the right time and place long enough, you can float anything.
There's hope, programming can be foiled by open minded thinking (called critical thinking?) and a break from the propaganda.
A good idea, but it will never be popular or easy, and the programmers would not appreciate people breaking from their hard work. Worse for them, it could start a rush to the exit.
Well, you are off base. Our vilest mouth (liberal) hasn't shown up today. If you are going to be on here much cover your ears when the liberals start.
President Trump picks his "contests" selectively. He is an equal opportunity offender of those people whom he feels he can snatch their power away. He is breaking a cardinal rule of American Presidents—
Presidential Rule of the Road: Don't Punch Down.
Pay back is going to be a 'mutha'!
Worst form of Political Correctness: "Yes Men."
trump never learned that, he never had to. His wealthy daddy didn't teach him that, as a businessman you don't have to be nice to ANYONE especially if they work for you, (you OWN them) unless they can help you make a profit, then you flatter or bully or con them until you have it.
Not a good way to do business, and a much worse way to do politics.
He will become a 'believer' when the country strikes back! This will happen when President Trump gets our undivided attention. The federal judge who ruled against presidential blocking of the 'sounds and fury' of Twitter rage is a metaphorical "chomp-down" on Trump's indulgent in dishing it out and not plating it up!
I remember back when political correctness was called common courtesy
and insulting others for your own gain was called being a bully.
Wow, I remember that too. Thank you, I was beginning to think I imagined it.
Thank you for reminding us, I had thought that those times had only been a surrealistic dream of some sort.
But having said that, there are many instances of PC getting a bit carried away at times, at least from my viewpoint. Simply speak and act toward others in the same fashion you would want to be addressed.
And I remember back when “Yes Sir” or “Yes Ma’am” was considered common courtesy.
Now it seems that addressing someone in a binary, gender-specific manner is offensive.
Not in the South.....we still use those words.
I belong to a local online community called "Nextdoor". It's a place to trade recommendations about service providers, news about restaurants opening or closing (important in a largely retired community!), and other local events.
Politics and religion are STRICTLY forbidden, thank God! 'Cause... Arizona, ya know...
A few months ago, after some some deadly event, President Trump issued an order (a very ordinary one, for once) to fly flags at half-mast. Some Nextdoor members posted vehement castigations of those who left their flags at masthead. The response, of course, was that the President's order applied to Federal buildings only; that private citizens are free to do as they please.
My own contribution was: "I wonder if all the car dealers on 32nd Street have lowered their hundreds of flags..."
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Formal patriotism is cheap. Those car dealers are using the American flag in exactly the same way they use Santa Claus at Christmas time. Gaudy decoration with absolutely no genuine emotional content.
It's the same for the National Anthem at sporting events. The singer must accomplish crazy vocal effects in a desperate attempt to distinguish him/herself from the hundreds of other singers who are doing the same. In the stands, the spectators move around, and the hot dog salespeople continue to hawk their goods. Some men take off their caps, many do not.
Doing something too often is called "banalizing"... "trivializing"...
When an act has become trivial, it may be restored to value by... altering it. The National Anthem at NFL games was of no interest to anyone... no significance whatsoever ... until Colin Kaepernick gave it significance.
Obama is 48 and Trump is 71.
Being skinny doesn't mean one is healthy.
Personally, don't like skinny men.
BTW.....Hi
Hi to you as well, Maggie.
Being fat doesn't mean one is healthy either. Compare the pictures.....you think donny is more healthy than Obama?
We just have to keep chipping away at PC. There will be setbacks on the way but Trump is doing a good job at leading the push and I like it.
For the record, Dean, I am not a proponent of PC …
BUT … I make a distinction between being politically correct … and exercising common courtesy and respect as warranted! I will avoid using denigrating terms merely for the purpose of playing to a pack of partisan haters who scapegoat … who do so to justify their myopic, often hateful views for their own failures, wrongdoings, mistakes, disappointments or faults … on groups or individuals other than themselves … and like the Trumps and tyrants of history … especially for reasons of expediency.
And this discussion, while about "PC," is actually, more specifically, about hypocrites who, out of one side of their mouths, castigate those who practice PC, while, out of the other sides, foist it to create political, racist and other forms of division as pander fodder!
Well-said. Well-delivered.
Trump supporters don't know what they want, but as long as Trump wants it or tells them what to do they fall in line like "daddy" tells them. They are like children who adopted a new father and believe whatever he says and do whatever he tells them. They have no free thought or will, just blindly follow.
One of the more outspoken groups on this are Veterans Groups. Especially one Veterans Group among others that Trump actually blocked on Twitter.
Veterans fight for our right to be free to express ourselves even when others don't agree. What the NFL is doing is the exact opposite of freedom.
If we can no longer have peaceful protest then our rights as Americans are gone.
no. it is called patriotism.
political correctness? is holding your tongue or choosing your words so as not to offend someone.
cheers
Do you stand for it when you are at home watching it on the telly? I would be willing to bet that you don't. Most people don't.
nobody is being forced to stand at home or at the ballparks. if players are offended by our national anthem they can stay in the tunnel until it is over.
there is no law protecting protests while on the job working for someone else.
if players want to protest that is cool as long as they do it on their own dime and their own time.
As far as I know, none of them said they were offended by the anthem.
I fear that too many Americans are hopelessly, fucking stupid … and … ripe pickings for demagogues, hucksters and con men who play them like The myopic Lala Land dwellers they are!
But don't take my word for it …
Check Out This Promo-Video, And, After You Begin To Laugh, If You Have Any Sense Of Rationality …
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And soon, the FONT POLICE will assemble herein … to bitch about the letters … AND IGNORE THE WORDS and Video.
YES! IT'S A REAL ADVERTISEMENT!
And those that aren't are conservatives.
And those that aren't are conservatives.
Well, they're not liberals!
If you look those you described surely voted for Clinton in the last election.
Oh! The Pee Wee Herman rebuttal.
By all means, continue validating my contention.
Trumpy Bear is hilarious!
I wonder how many viewers take it seriously?
It is, in fact, a real item, and, the promo appears to have been verified also, as real!
"Real" doesn't mean "serious". The tone of the video is... mocking.
There are varying opinions; it appears in some cases, to be part of the marketing.
I have a hard time imaging that anyone could take Trumpy Bear seriously... but is some people do, it's even funnier!
True, if I am not mistaken, PH posted a link to it as well a few months ago.
That's a great ad......I assumed it was made by the Daily Show. I also love the "certificate of authenticity."
It's the real deal, the manufacturer designed it to appeal to both sides. People in the center and the left and moderate rights laughed like hell when they saw the commercial, and the hard core trumpites (new religion) swelled with pride. The results, everybody is buying it like crazy. You have to admit, it's hilarious after that commercial.
When you play the video, U-tube puts in links to similar clips at the end. On this one, there's a "trump bear review" that discuses it.
"a wonderful wool flag-themed blanket..that you can wrap yourself in, snug and warm." Now THAT's marketing!!!!
(ahem) sorry, back to topic.
I wonder if the hair flaps over in a breeze like Trump's does?
Amazon has a few good reviews:
In 1943, the Supreme Court invalidated a West Virginia state law that required members of the Jehovah’s Witnesses group to salute the flag and recite the Pledge.
“If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion, or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein,” said Justice Robert Jackson.
One of the most profoundly un-American things I've heard lately was Trump's statement that players who don't want to stand shouldn't be playing at all or "maybe you shouldn't be in the country." He's truly unfit for the office.
Like I said, I couldn't care less whether they kneel or not. Trump has his right to an opinion and so do you and I. If the NFL doesn't solve this problem and real soon, their attendance and viewership will suffer even more than it has already. If it doesn't happen and the NFL isn't affected any more, then so be it.
The Left would like you to think they are standing up for the football player's rights, but in reality it's just one more stab in American culture. The idea is not force anyone to love and support this country, but have people who see the good things about this country and want to do it. Cultural Marxism is the tactic of searching constantly for anything that can be used to promote hate for a country. That's how they destroy the country from within, which is their objective.
Load the country down with uneducated people who will spend their entire lives living off the government, convincing them they are victims and promising them you are there to protect and provide for them. That's the Cultural Marxist in action. Ignoring reality and making fiction the new reality for a whole new generation of children so they will be dependent on the one party who is there for them fighting against the evil party.
This reason claimed for this protest against the flag is flawed. I put a detailed comment up and it was completely ignored. The Left doesn't give a shit about anything but their own agenda, then there are those who have been duped and just don't realize it and continue to support those who hate this country.
The truth is a moving object with the Left.
Funny how things never change with the Left.
What Changed? The Same Media who Excuse Bob Mueller Abused Ken Starr.
~~Link~~
You can't make this stuff up. The Left is as easy to read as a 3rd grade book. Truth is relative as well to the Left. It is true when it fits their ideology and not true when it doesn't, no matter what it is. Statistics prove the football players are protesting against something that is not true, the MSM pushes it as being true, The Left gets their information from the MSM and I honestly believe they just can't help themselves.
The Left would like you to think they are standing up for the football player's rights, but in reality it's just one more stab in American culture.
Define "American Culture," please.
How Robert Mueller Is Learning from Ken Starr's Mistakes
Well, I do care about the kneeling! And, I do care about freedom of speech. A person just can't say or do anything they want to do and call it freedom of speech. There are limits. Even on NT there is a limit to freedom of speech. What I truly care about are the football players who take a knee making millions of dollars in a Country that allows them to make millions of dollars. And, then, to top it off their fans (who are helping to support them) support the Anthem and they kneel for whatever reason.
I am a veteran, and I am not offended by the kneeling of players in peaceful protest. I fought for the US constitution, all of it, and our flag. I may not agree with kneeling for the anthem, but as a vet, I fought for their right to do so. So, I respect their right to peacefully protest, and I respect the rights of those wishing to stand for the anthem, like I do.
And I would like to go on record saying Kapernick is a POS...not for kneeling, but because he is a shitty ball player...
My son is also a veteran and he agrees with you. He also knows kneeling is actually MORE respectful than standing, if they are really talking about respect. Which has different standards for black men, as usual. Nary a word from same folks about Trump's abysmal lack of respect for all things American.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/all-opinions-are-local/wp/2017/09/29/to-stand-or-kneel-ben-franklin-said-it-best/?utm_term=.78b57840508f
lol, Mr. Frost, on Kapernick!
Look at it another way, Maggie; when an individual making millions of dollars takes a position on behalf of those who are poor by other standards, and, as a race, sometimes is unjustly given a hard time by law enforcement, et al … that individual has literally millions of things to lose by having the guts to take such a position.
There are some parallels between the players and the women who finally have the courage to stand up to the Harvey Weinsteins and other sexual offenders. Minorities and women are among history's most abused.
Thanks him for his service!
Thanks for your service Mr Frost. I understand what you're saying. I don't care if they stand, kneel or stay in the locker room, but the whole reason they are kneeling is based on a flawed reason, since there is no epidemic of blacks being treated any different than anyone who reacts the same as they do when dealing with the police. Blacks commit over have the homicides in this country and 93% of them are against other blacks.
Whites commit less than half of the homicides in this country. While blacks represent 13.3% of the population and whites represent 76.9% of the population. blacks commit the homicides of 13 people per 100,000 people and whites commit the homicides of 2 people per 100,000 people. If the demographics were reversed and both white and blacks continued to commit homicides at their present rate, then blacks would be committing 75 homicides per 100,000 people and whites would be committing .3459 homicides for every 100,000 people.
Forcible rape - 4.6 rapes by whites per 100,000 people and 14 forcible rapes by blacks per 100,000 people and whites represent 5.78 times the number of blacks in this country. Consider 5.78 times 4.6 rapes = 26.588 rapes by blacks per 100,000 people if the demographics were to be reversed and blacks continued to rape at the same rate.
Also consider 20 years ago blacks committed homicides at the rate of 40 homicides per 100,000 people and whites committed homicides at the rate of 4.4 rapes per 100,000 people. At least the blacks have gone from 40 to 13 homicides today per 100,000 people and whites have gone from 4.5 homicides to 2 homicides today per 100,00 people.
No, I'm not joining in on the protests for that reason. It is based on a false premise that there is an epidemic of blacks being killed by whites. They say white policemen or unarmed blacks, but have you seen how some of these blacks act when being confronted with by a policeman? Let me tell you what, they don't act up as much when they are being arrested or even stopped by a black policeman, because they know they can't get away with it, the black policeman will not put up with it.
These blacks that torment the neighborhoods where the truly deserving law abiding black people live make it bad for everyone. After dealing with these thugs every day, knowing that the next call you will have to go on has a very good chance of having to deal with a lawless black who has been convinced by the White Liberals they are victims and don't have a chance in the white world, thereby putting the seeds in there minds to grow more hatred toward law enforcement and whites, they don't have a chance at any success in life. This is Cultural Marxism, destroying the country from within by the White Liberals and those racist blacks who use the black people to financially profit from holding them down, convincing them they are victims and don't have a chance.
All the information needed for my calculations is at this link:
I've always had a problem with racializing the issue of abusive cops. It clouds the issue, and some of the worst cases of abuse happened to whites, but this IS a significant problem and well worth the anthem protest. Let's just take race out of it, and deal with incompetent and abusive cops effectively. Police are literally getting away with murder. We need much hire standards for those we bestow authority on.
It was an honor to serve. Was not always fun, but it was an honor.
A very well thought out and factual post. I think we are on the same page, but I don't completely agree with all of it. In any case, great post.
Higher! Dammit. Smoke another one Lenny...
NOTE: I try to respond to all comments … BUT PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC … I dislike flagging comments.
Speaking of PC: Does President Trump own a White House pet??
I'm thinking there's probably a few rats, snakes and chameleons running around somewhere in there.
As much as he likes, "fishing in strange holes", I would bet he has a few pet crabs as well.
Why yes, yes he does, he has a warthog named Sarah!
The one about the (Trump world) snake. . .
this country doesn’t have time, either. - Trump
This from the same guy who said he would be too busy working for the American people to have time to play golf.
It now seems to be the other way around. He has little time to take care of the country's business as his golf games at his personal resorts comes first. And he has the nads to knock Obama for the golf he played while in office, against his own time spent on the golf course in the last year and a half;
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Donald Trump plays golf almost three times as much as Barack Obama after one year in office;
Donald Trump has spent 81 days on the golf course in his first year as President, racing past his predecessors.
Mr Trump, after a weekend at his Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach, Florida, has spent more time on the green than George W Bush did during eight years in office.
The President has also been on the golf course almost three times as much as Barack Obama did during his first year.
Saturday was Mr Trump’s fourth consecutive day at one of his clubs, where he played with golf star and supporter Jack Nicklaus, as reported by CNN.
The President’s golfing is often kept under wraps, with White House aides saying that Mr Trump will be spending his weekends working, or in meetings.
As a reality television star and real estate businessman, Mr Trump spent years criticising Mr Obama for playing golf, mocking his “work ethic”.
Obama should play golf with Republicans & opponents rather than his small group of friends. That way maybe the terrible gridlock would end.
Mr Bush only played 24 rounds in eight years as he stopped playing in 2003, in response to criticism about his leisure time during the Iraq War.
Before entering the White House, Mr Trump said: ”I'm going to be working for you, I'm not going to have time to go play golf.”
Source:
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Obviously, another case of lying to the manic masses, and a case of do as I say, no as I do.
Funny. When some people are talking, PC is bad. When same people are being talked to, PC is good.
Some people think they should be able to speak to anyone, any way they please, yet get pissed of when spoken to in the same way.
This country is full of people that are a walking hypocrites and cannot even live by their own golden rule of “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.
As far as the Anthem, it is stupid to have it play at sporting events. Dumb antiquated tradition that should be abolished. Now they seem to play it every where for every thing. They even had to play the Anthem at high school graduation. When the Anthem is played for the opening of a used car lot (or what ever stupid, non essential thing it is played for) it tends to lose a lot of it's meaning and impact.
I can be, and am, patriotic yet I do not subscribe to nationalism which is what most people seem to have.
Lastly, I have noticed that people have to come on here and turn the discussion into something it is not.
Tomorrow is my birthday and I am, at this moment, having a dinner out with my family, so, I will soon be locking this discussion.
As is traditional in certain South Philadelphia families, on such occasions, it is customary for the celebrant to do something giving and or magnanimous; so, in that tradition, I apologize to anyone in this discussion to whom I have been less than a gentleman and ask forgiveness.
I hope in my next year of life, that I become a better person.
Don Corleone MacArthur
And seriously, I mean the apologies.
Happy birthday! I trust you schedule it every year to coincide with Memorial day Monday?
Happy Birthday Mac!
:~)
A very happy birthday to you with my wishes that you continue them far into the future .
Since you are going out to celebrate tonight, I wi" make it a point to type quietly on any of your seeds and articles or If I respond to any of your comments tomorrow. I won't want to exacerbate the headache.
Happy Birthday Mac!!
One Gemini to another.
Thank you.
Happy Birthday, A Mac !! You're a gem in (my) eye !
A sincere thank you to everyone who was part of this discussion and peace to all.
I am locking the article.