People are leaving California in droves – and this is where they are going
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High housing costs have fueled an exodus from California in recent years — and many of those migrants are choosing to leave the Golden State to lay down roots in Sin City.
Las Vegas ranked as the most popular destination for people moving from cities along California’s coast to non-California metropolitan areas, according to a new report from real-estate website Trulia. In total, more than 8% of people who moved out of California in the first quarter of 2017 chose Nevada’s most-populous city as their new home.
And Las Vegas represents a logical choice for Californian emigrants given its warm climate and relatively low home prices — the median listing price as of March 2017 was just $260,000, versus the $720,000 average listing price in expensive California markets such as San Francisco and Los Angeles. Those factors also explain why other Sunbelt cities, such as Phoenix and Houston, also garnered a spot on the list.
But Californians were also drawn to cities with burgeoning job markets, such as Seattle, and larger metropolitan areas like New York, even though these cities are on the more expensive side.
The high housing costs in California could also be a boon to traditional retirement destinations. Miami and Tucson, Ariz., both ranked among the cities that Californians most frequently searched on Trulia. Both represent markets that are “attractive to retirees so searches may take longer to yield actual moves, and may not show up in the migration data,” Trulia senior economist Cheryl Young wrote.
All of the cities that have caught Californians’ attention should prepare for a deluge. Between 2006 and 2016, more than a million more people moved out of California than moved into the state, according to a recent report from Next 10 and Beacon Economics. And with the state expected to be me 3 million homes short of demand by 2025, this trend may only increase in the years ahead.
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Looks as if California has passed the tipping point, people leaving to go to Nevada and Arizona makes sense. We have people leaving New York due to stagnant job market, ever spiraling upward taxes and a crumbling infrastructure. I wonder how those folks from the population centers in California will do at assimilating into the less California tolerant environment?
They will take their friendly progressive California lifestyle with them and export it to wherever they go. And the fact is, even with some moving out of the State, the population continues to grow. We are still ranked #1 in public health, #4 in lowest obesity rates, #2 in lowest mortality rates, #2 in lowest smoking rates, #4 in higher education, #1 in GDP growth, #4 in overall economy, #1 in business environment, #1 in patent creation, #1 in venture capital, #2 in lowest gender pay gap, #2 in lowest prisoner recidivism, #9 in overall household income.
Yes, we are #48 in cost of living and #49 in housing affordability but in a capitalist society one would expect to pay more to live in such a beautiful place and demand is high while supply is low unless you live in the central valley where housing is relatively cheap because few really want to live in the hot dusty interior where all the water resources have either been diverted to agriculture or sent to the Los Angeles basin.
But, it's not enough to keep people there-and yes, due primarily, one would think, the high cost of housing which drives up the cost of everything else. I saw a picture yesterday where gasoline is well over $5 a gallon. We are flirting with $3 a gallon in New York (another heavily taxed state).......
Not sure where that would be from, maybe a full service station which is extremely rare now days. The average gas price even for the middle of San Francisco is $3.84 a gallon. In Monterey County where I live the last time I filled up it was $3.42 a gallon.
Many of my friends and myself had enough of the People’s Republic of Kalifornia. Most have divided their moves among 3 states more supportive of individualism and open carry laws. Texas, Arizona, and Idaho.
Kalifornia is a Stalinist cesspool of totalitarian government and immorality
On your way out, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya. The fewer ( Deleted, Skirting {SP} ) who don't appreciate the incredible freedoms and majestic beauty we enjoy here in California the better.
but don't send them to Arkansas. We need more reasonable people like you, DP
Yeah, i used to tell that to all the butt-hurt liberals when they pissed and moaned about Trump, saying he wasn't their POTUS, this wasn't their country, etc but it just made matters worse for them so i stopped.
Poor things ..... doubtful some will ever recover.
Doubtful ..... most of them just stayed and continued to piss and moan like the sanctimonious, spoiled ittle pricks that they are.
Few have enough character to truly follow their own convictions.
They could be so lucky .....
One thing's for sure. None of them are moving to Jefferson.
Ah yes, the land of rape and honey.
Wasn't so long ago that California had another exodus when the job market tanked and they moved to Colorado by the thousands, and Texans fled a bad economy although as I recall when Michigan had an exodus the Texans were most unwelcoming referring to the black license tags as the black plague, but when the Texans went to MI for the job market they were outraged they were not welcomed, short memories.
You don't have to lead them old mossy oak clad thumpers by much. /s
Arkansas has pretty low housing costs and the weather is cooperative for the most part.
We could use some California liberals here....but they better learn how to drive
My wife is from Harrison. I recall the cost of living being low there as well.
It's a far cry from the cost of living here in the High Rockies of Colorado though. It would be jaw dropping if the wages here also weren't significantly higher. It fortunately balances out nicely.
Mr G was comparing the salaries of GS-9 to what he's paid here in Arkansas. It's a significant increase but with the high cost of housing that increase would be offset quickly.
We have a 2400 sq ft house with 3 acres here in Arkansas. For what we paid, we might be able to get a 1200 sq ft with a 100 sq ft back yard. No thanks. I hate city living.
Yeah. The increase can be a tough pill to swallow for sure. Especially if you are pleased with where you are currently.
When he retired from the AF we had to make a decision to either move to Denver, move to PA, or stay where we are. I voted for stay where we are and it took some convincing to get him to agree but he finally saw I was right.
Nice.
Denver itself is not so bad compared to the rest of the tri-city area as far as cost of living goes, but it's also not awesome as a place to live IMO. I have to go to Denver often, but I never object to leaving Denver either lol.
We're flying out there to see family on Tuesday. I'm sorta, kinda looking forward to it.
Yeah. It's a great place to visit for sure. Plus, it's beautiful this time of year around these parts. Stunning really.
Yes, it is and the weather is supposed to be nice, too
It's definitely blue skies today. I know it's supposed to stay that way through next week as well.
Here, right at 5000 feet above where Denver is, it's in the 60's today. In Denver, pretty sure it is cresting 90. Nice breeze and pleasant summer days.
I'm in Denver. I had better hear from you when you get here. We'll feed Mr.G a few edibles and drop him off at the Jesus Saves homeless shelter without his cell phone.
He'll have a snit fit.
nah, he'll be fine. down there you can't walk a block in any direction without stumbling into a craft beer brewery or a weed shop. Are blue states cool or what.
Yes, they are.
A lot of folks from here are picking Tennessee as a retirement option and also, a place ot work as the DOE has a large presence there. I'll likely be here as my family is here.....
TN is a beautiful state.
That would be Mississippi....
Nah, we are a crossroad. Dueling banjos on one side and blues guitar on the other.
LOL!
We went to the Crossroads last month where Robert Johnson sold his soul to the Devil.
The job keeps sending me to Biloxi, and while I like the Gulf Coast, I'm a little adverse to Hurricanes....and they get spanked on a seemingly regular basis....
I like Biloxi. I would live there if I didn't need to work
I look at it as other places have things to deal with as well. Some places have tornadoes and California has to deal with earthquakes.
Never been myself. Maybe one of these days. It's like a 4 1/2 hour drive.
I lived in Biloxi when I was in my early twenties. At the time I was an amateur beach volleyball player and that was a prime location for the sport. Lived about six blocks from the old Lighthouse.
While you are there, French fries and gravy, pizza and french dressing. Local standards.
It's a beautiful state. Don't knock it until you've been there
My mother in-law moved to Arkansas a few years ago and we've been out to visit several times. While the countryside is beautiful, a lot of the counties around where she moved were "dry" which sucked. I had to go almost 40 miles to the nearest country that sold liquor and even then when I went in to the Wal-Mart to buy some rum it happened to be a Sunday and they had a huge locked metal cage over the alcohol section. I had to come back the next day to enjoy some evening cocktails. The fact that they still have unconstitutional blue laws based on ignorant religious opinions means I'd never move there regardless of how cheap the housing is.
I grew up in PA so I learned to live with outdated blue laws.
Fortunately, we have a military installation nearby and if we really do run out, we can go there and get more.
Living in the Ozarks of Missouri we never run out....Just down the road from us in ''Sneaky Hollow'' is Mooch Mike's Moonshine Madness and bait shop...
Always open.
giggle...snort
I am going to Kentucky in August to visit my mother with my sister. She told me not to bring any "witchy" stuff. I cannot believe the dry counties there. One them is the county where Jim Beam is distilled. My sister and I are bringing our own beverages.
I've been thinking about south west Arkansas for when I retire.
That's a good area. Some people rave about the Ozarks but I've always liked the rolling hills of SW Arkansas better myself. Lots of good fishing down that way and you might even run into a gator!
Spikegary... I know it is off topic but I love Predator. My favorite alien bad guy. He wears fishnet stockings.....
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