The Great Sky Fairy, Esq, speaks through a stuffed lion.
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The couple spoke in tongues in court to a stuffed lion who they claimed was giving them direct counsel from God. They rejected legal aid, preferring to advise witnesses “it was their lawyer Jesus Christ asking the questions through the voice of the parent.”
The battle was for custody of their baby — who the mother wants to rename Jesus JoyoftheLord. They lost. Now, in a decision highlighting the tightrope social workers walk in balancing parental beliefs with child safety, a B.C. Supreme Court judge has dismissed the Kelowna couple’s claim of religious persecution.
The Ministry of Children and Family Development got involved with AJ and DK in 2016 after AJ told a facilitator at a lunch program that DK had choked her and “believes sexual relations between children should be encouraged”.
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Is a stuffed lion familiar with Canadian court procedure?
Mental illness SUCKS !
Is this mental illness or something else?
Hell I dont know, what ta guess ?
The pair were criminally charged after a disturbance at another church in West Kelowna.
"DK co-operated with the arrest but AJ 'rolled around on the ground' and did not co-operate," the decision says. "The parents allegedly wanted to cleanse the Church of evil influences."
The original custody trial saw the director of child, family and community services argue that concerns over mental health, violence and medical care rendered AJ and DK incapable of caring for their baby.
I wonder if "rolling around on the ground" comes before or after the "speaking in tongues" part of the routine?
And did it convince the judge?
I laughed. Then I thought of the time I was going to a church were WE spoke in tongues. Then i didn't know what to do.
lol
true
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It was weird as heck at the time, I never understood it, but it "felt" so comfortable....
weird
Oh I am sure the judge was quite impressed. This causes an impression on me:
They sure do Sandy.
Televangelists disgust me. It just sickens me to think that millions of people actually buy the crap these societal parasites are selling.
I'm not sure which is worse: televangelists who prey on peoples ignorance or ignorant people who actually buy into televangelist nonsense.
Televangelists know what they are doing. There are many people who have been indoctrinated and/or are profoundly naive but not of their own making.
That is true.
Shows just how deep the indoctrination can go. It is a societel issue when religious beliefs lead to irrational and/or dangerous actions (and inactions).
I've worked in inpatient insane asylums this is the tip of the ice berg !!
For instance: We seem to have at least one Jesus Christ in almost every mental hospital in America almost everyday of every year.
E.A How many Napoleons etc:??
The inmates are given jobs??
E.A Thin Ice there lad!!!
Much more rare. Much less idolized and much less "popular ?"
E.A So then it would seem that the " sickness " was more to do with the mental state then a religious upbringing that some one tried to imply!
LOL.... NO He crashed threw.
In all honesty I was myself diagnosed as bipolar as a teenager after having a "nervous breakdown" and yes I did spend time in a regular hospital mental ward.
I also did work at a full mental inpatient hospital for a short time much later in life. That I call an insane asylum. Because really it was.
I repeat: Mental illness SUCKS !!
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The combination of the two seems to be inherent in what I witnessed.
Many of the patients where netherly full blown insane or religiously insane , some were one or the other, the worst ones were a combination of the two. Mentally ill and religiously fucked up both at the same time.
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religion uses guilt, guilt cause pain and inter conflict. Mental illness IS inter conflict..
You do the math.
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IN short, IMO: Religion can contribute to mental illness. (and does)
E.A Yes medical research shows that metal illness means that a patient might well take on a persona or personas, that are accepted and looked up to so as to make themselves fell better!
So therefore the Monikers they will take depends on the Culture and how their peers view some as " Heroes "
IN short, IMO: Religion can contribute to mental illness.
E.A that " Lumps ALL in one Cauldron " which in itself is False, Most " religions " are pacifist in nature and teach respect for self and harmonious living with the community!
I take it this insinuates I dont know shit.
How about ya just even Go visit an inpatient mental facility and get back to me. I'll be around.
E.A Does it? ok Thanks
L.L. I like giving Steve a hard time. EA!
Don't go EA, they may not let you leave!!
Don't go EA, they may not let you leave!!
E.A Fear not Mr Fox been there and many similar places, and I have a Clear Entry and Exit,, unlike Some
It really seems to be the combination of the two that results in some of the most severe cases I whitnesed.
I am trying to be very objective here. I am nether for any kind of "indoctrination" or "mental illness" I'm just stating from what I personally have seen is that "a combination of the two is fairly common and the results seem to be more involved than when it is either singularly."
Good to know Lennylynx
I just hope you are also a good judge of posters moods..
lol
IN short, IMO: Religion can contribute to mental illness.
E.A that " Lumps ALL in one Cauldron "
Not IMO: it's blanket statement.
Any Religion CAN result in anything, including mental illness.
IE: Islamic terrorists are insane IMO.
Oops. Sorry Steve, I didn't mean to make light of any real mental problems.
Sometimes the two are related.
ie, Charles Manson, who his followers believed to be Jesus Christ.
Buddhism is a good example. I have a niece who is part of a temple in Vermont, she loves it and, seems to be a very well put together young lady.
History is filled with religious folks killing other religious folks - including members of their own sect that don't toe the appropriate rules as laid out in their Holy Book. Is following the rules a form of mental illness or is the real problem with the rules?
Also, an interesting tidbit from a fairly recent, limited study.
It's cool Lenny, I consider myself very fortunate. Yes I was diagnosed as a bipolar person at a young age. Fortunately my bipolar was not very "strong" Bipolar seems to have varying degrees of strengths, some people have major problem through their life, others like myself have some minor problems and thru education and medication we can easily lead a normal life.
Personally my type of bipolar was mostly manic related I just had way too much energy and racing thoughts. By the time I got older I didn't seem to have any problems with racing thoughts even without meds and my energy level, leveled out...
One of the "saving graces" of bipolar is you are in good company. Many famous people are bipolar including many renowned scientists.
In closing I'll add I try not to be "touchy" on this, But I that does depend on my mood at the time....LOL
Interesting, Thanks for posting it.
Not enough, apparently.
ie, Charles Manson, who his followers believed to be Jesus Christ.
E.A Exactly, so then take those in other countries where " Christianity " is not the peer mainstream faith, in those cases they take on the persona of those that are, so to blame " Christianity " hence is only for those that have a Bigoted view point and ignorance to boot!
E.A Excellent example, but lets now take that same religion and go to Sri Lanka, when a massacre happened by that same faith to the Natives of that Island Nation, so what was to blame there?
E.A If I recall right on NV The Same point was erroneously raised, and Back then I went to a lot of effort to point out the Root Meaning of the word " Re Ligion To Tie to To have a reliance upon .
So now I ask what do YOU mean by " Religion "?
I very much agree. I didn't learn until far too late that my former business partner had a strong familial history of schizophrenia coupled with extreme religious nuttery. Both his mother and his brother had been hospitalized off and on for years and his brother came very close to shooting up the Berkeley campus. Both were far right-wing Christians and when I met the brother he was ranting about demons and was quite concerned because I was an atheist. His mom was easily the most racist person I've ever met.
Then when my business partner started showing signs of mental illness when he was in his early 30s it first exhibited as religious delusions (prior to this he didn't seem religious at all). He started listening to Harold Camping and became convinced that the world was going to end in September of 1994. The part I found most crazy is he refused to allow the company to buy office supplies because of that. We ended up splitting the company not long after that.
I don't know if he ever sought medical or psychiatric treatment but ironically it seems that falling in with a Russian Orthodox sect did more to stabilize him than anything else.
Imminent domain, the believers were stronger and, saw they were and, decided that they owned the land because the Natives were weaker so, they took the land and, killed the weaker or, you can look at it as an act of nature, the weak fell to the stronger. They put faith to it to give them something to claim their greed has a religious purpose when all it is, is greed, the same can be said for Christianity and, Islam, all have sought land that didn't belong to them, every religion through the ages and, it all amounts to one thing, using religion to cover the greed of kings and, priests.
E.A Right hence why time after time after time I use Re Ligion, attempting to get the ignorant to understand that Re Ligion is anything " That unites to a purpose " it can be Wars, Science, Sport etc::
During the time of the Celt's none of the different villages would go to war as an ally of another village unless it involved a religious reason, such as a Temple or, sacred area being destroyed by another religion or, group, such as the Romans attacking them, then you had to deal with every Celt within a 1000 miles of the sacred site. They had the thought of, your hate for that person or, group doesn't involve me, unless they mess with something sacred to me.
E.A Cannibalism must have helped also ..
War Food Land Control!
Celt's believe it or, not, were not cannibals, they were head hunters though, the heads of their enemies were kept in the main building as trophy's.
E.A I think that the latest finding has shown that .
1) Sacrificial Victims
2) Butchering of Human Flesh
3) Evidence that Cannibalism was part of a cultural ritual
E.A., do you ever get the feeling you are whistling in the wind? Well, you are. Some people have such a hatred of others who don't believe as they do, and I use that word 'believe' purposefully, since it is their belief everyone who has faith in a creator are beneath them, on drugs or does have some sort of mental illness.
These are the same people you would expect to see passing on the opportunity to help someone who is down on his or her luck or really is suffering from mental illness. As you've said, religion is anything that unites people to love or to hate. In this case it seems this is an expression of the 'Religion of Hate'. I have to say I've always been inclined to take the side of the underdog who is unable to defend himself or herself when bombarded with such vile hatred.
E.A Indeed, but some one once said " They have hated me.... you " what is the missing word?
No I have no problem with the Intransigence of people, if I did I would have stop on those days I had a " God … Why ? " Room running out of the Buffalo University Server, when the chat was Before the IRC, called Bulletin Boards :-)
Or Lycos do you even remember them, then MSN Chat, then Yahoo etc:
You have known me now for a few years, so do I give you the impression that I am a Quitter?
No sir, I don't think you are a quitter and I understand exactly what you've said. It has been quite a long time. Have a great day tomorrow EA.
I don't like to believe that of my ancestors, however, ya never know. I do know that they were good farmers and, hunters so, with all the food around the area I can't see them really eating human flesh, unless of course it was to "steal the strength" of their enemy.
E.A Thank YOU, and You Also
E.A If you make the time to look at the study and watch the Videos on it, many of those also found it hard to believe, because like you " they had flesh in the game " but never the less we need to accept the FACTS as Given!
very interesting that you only criticize one side instead of admitting both sides do this, including the religious who will eagerly turn upon each other for not believing or worshipping in the same manner as they do.
When the indoctrination goes too deep and they go over the edge they could quite often end up mentally ill, homeless, and completely shunned by their own indoctrinators.
the mother wants to rename Jesus JoyoftheLord
And I thought Hal A. Lujah was funny!
Sounds like someone needs to be tested for drugs.
Or syphilis?
My attorney is a stuffed panda. There's no way he's got syphilis no matter how obscene the acts he and I have committed.
i'm waiting for many of the religious conservative minded people on NT to come here and proclaim this stuffed lion as the new prophet for the God - there are witnesses to people who claim to have talked to their God through this stuffed lion, it's been written down and recorded as well, plus there are people who have faith in this stuffed lion. By all measures, there should be a slew of the religious conservative minded who should be here defending this lion as the speaker for their God and defending this couple's case for their baby, correct ?
As for why I don't take religion or religious people seriously, any questions?
That's it. I'm dumping the spaghetti monster and going with the lion.
I dunno.....the stuffing is pretty dry and hard to swallow.....
It's a real mess if you dip it in holy marinara sauce.
Another christian yawner about religious persecution.
The only time religion is persecuted is when religion is part of the equation.