The New Bigotry
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In 155 AD, Roman authorities ordered a man named Polycarp to burn incense for the Roman Emperor. Witnesses say the local authorities begged Polycarp to comply, some even acknowledging it was a meaningless act. But Polycarp refused. "Eighty-six years I have served Christ, and He never did me any wrong. How can I blaspheme my King who saved me?" Polycarp announced. The Roman proconsul had a pyre built to burn Polycarp.
Eyewitnesses say Polycarp told the proconsul there would be no need to tie him to the stake as he would not flee. Others claim the flames would not touch Polycarp so the proconsul ordered him stabbed through the heart. Polycarp's refusal to do what others told him was meaningless because he viewed it as an affront to his faith is a good lesson for Christians when confronted with the open and increasing bigotry against people of faith in the United States.
You will probably not have heard of Russell Berger. He is a orthodox believing Christian, pastor, and, until last week, was the Chief Knowledge Officer of CrossFit. A local CrossFit gym (they call them boxes) did not want to have a gay pride event and gay rights activists subsequently began harassing the owner of the gym. Berger, on his personal Twitter feed, tweeted, "As someone who personally believes celebrating 'pride' is a sin, I'd like to personally encourage #CrossFitInfiltrate for standing by their convictions and refusing to host an @indypride workout."
He continued, "The intolerance of the LGBTQ ideology toward any alternative views is mind-blowing. The tactics of some in the LGBTQ movement toward dissent is an existential threat to freedom of expression. The lack of tolerance for disagreement, which has been replaced with bullying Twitter mobs promising 'consequences', should be a concern regardless of your political stance." The LGBTQ community then proved him exactly right and demanded his termination. CrossFit bowed to the mob and terminated Berger for daring to express his personal views on his personal Twitter presence.
CrossFit bowing to the mob came only a few days after the Supreme Court sided with Masterpiece Cake Shop against anti-Christian bigots in Colorado. Gay activists targeted Jack Philips, the owner and a renown cake designer. The activists asked Philips to design a wedding cake for them and he declined. Though others told Philips a wedding cake was a meaningless thing, Philip stood like Polycarp and said God created marriage between a man and a woman and he would not use his God given talents to celebrate a wedding that mocks God's design.
Philips does not create cakes for Halloween, which he considers a pagan holiday, or for several other events. But he does make cakes for gay couples. He even offered to bake for this gay couple. He just declined to do the wedding cake. The couple sued Philips and commissioners on the Colorado Civil Rights Commission tried to destroy his livelihood.
Justice Anthony Kennedy, writing a 7-2 decision for the Supreme Court, sided with Philips. The Court found that one commissioner described Philip's faith as "one of the most despicable pieces of rhetoric that people can use." Kennedy noted that disparaged Philip's "religion in at least two distinct ways: by describing it as despicable, and also by characterizing it as merely rhetorical -something insubstantial and even insincere. The commissioner even went so far as to compare Phillips' invocation of his sincerely held religious beliefs to defenses of slavery and the Holocaust."
June is both the month where a Christian received protection from the Supreme Court to live his faith in contravention of the present age's zeitgeist and also the month the Court legalized gay marriage. Christians in America are, like Russell Berger and Jack Phillips, going to be increasingly targeted by the mob for trying to live their faith publicly.
Christian pastors in America who devote a Sunday each year to preach on life in response to Roe v. Wade should spend just as much time preaching on why marriage is between one man and one woman and why Christians, like Polycarp, Berger, Philliips, and others should stand strong for their faith even when the world around them demands otherwise.
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A Christian bigot.
Personally, I find it hilarious that these right wing fascist Christians think that equality is now oppression.
Tolerance ≠ Celebration, or even acceptance. The idea that you could (or would try to) force a private business to celebrate something you like (or else) speaks to an unimaginable level of arrogance conceit. i.e. just because the LGBT people think being gay is awesome, everyone must agree with them or suffer the consequences.
Just because the Christians think being a bigot is awesome, everyone must agree with them or suffer the consequences.
Two way street.
I'll copy and paste my other response to this sentiment:
Bigotry is being intolerant of people you disagree with. Avoiding the label of "bigot" does not require that you celebrate what they want you to celebrate. When the Christian goes out into the world to harass someone for being gay, that's bigotry. Just declining to celebrate is simply not bigotry.
You should tell the whole truth of what happened. His actions were not supported by management.
Supported why? Because they believe it's morally superior to celebrate gayness? Or because they feared embarrassing harassment from the LGBTs? My money is on the latter.
Mangement knows that the legal penalties and fiscal repercussions that would happen if they discriminated. Gay people have money and a company does not want to drive those potential profits with those of heterosexuals who refuse to support disciminating businesses because of the actions of some bigot. Bigotry is not a good business practice.
Why do you have a problem with letting LGBT live in peace? How do you celebrate gayness? How would you solve the LGBT sitation if you had the legal power to do so?
where's your "Decision California" article ?
It's not about choosing not to participate, but about criticising those who do. It would suit you well to learn that what others do is not a reflection on you.
True, but, for some people, even if it does not affect them or theirs in any way, they still have t obi*ch about its it affronts their own sensitive feelings and ideals. And most of the time they really don't know what their talking about.
The Billy Graham revival in Redding. Didn't you seed that ?
I haven't gone to a Pride even in almost 25 years. I went to the very first in 1992 and never after that. It's not that exciting when your hetero.
Actually the refusal directly contradicts corporate policy. Moreover the event had already been planned and scheduled, and then some dumb bigot at the franchised gym cancelled the event because they hate gays......and that very likely did violate the non-discrimination ordinance in Indianapolis.
By the way that local gym no longer exists because CrossFit revoked their franchise since it was the franchise owner who was the bigot, not merely one of his employees.
I have been in gay bars many times due to the fact that I have many LGBT friends, so nothing that I could see at a Pride parade could upset me. They are pretty tame and only occasionaly amusing. Most gay people are just like you and I except that the gender of their partner is the same as themselves.
That was the act of corporate because he disobeyed policy. Take it up with the humorless suits.
Pride events are always full of good cheer and are pretty well represented by both straight and gay peeps. Brings a smile to my face to have such pleasant events available to us.
I'm a straight white guy and I think it's a great day for civil rights whenever dumb bigots are driven out of business. If the bigot wants they're free to do what Rush Limbaugh's whites-only country club does and run it as a private members-only club (the gym here is a different case), but I suspect they'd have a very difficult time finding anyone who'd want to join.
In this case the coaches, staff and members of the gym all quit because of what the gym franchisee did, and then the company yanked the franchise license because they don't want to be associated with dumb bigots. So the gym was dead either way, all due to the foolish actions of the franchisee.
I have progressive cooties, so you better wash your hands.
I don't have a problem with CrossFit not celebrating Gay Pride Day. I just hope you and they have no problem with me not wanting to do business with them
A private business serving LGBT people equally isn't celebrating anything except capatalism. Most intelligent bakeries understood that the Obergfell decision opened up a new flush demographic for your business. LGBT people have more money than heterosexuals because gay people aren't spending that money on their kids or saving it for their college fund. LGBT people tend to be better educated than the heterosexual population so they have more money to spend. Smart business owners know better than to alienate customers with money to spend and the desire to do it.
There isn't much profit in making donuts but making wedding cakes is a license to print money because they average 20%+ profit on a custom cake.
Jack Phillips has had protesters and counter protesters at his cake shop every business day since last Thursday. I wonder how many of those old racist/bigot SBC thumpers will continue to whither under the 90+ degree heat for him. Do people buy cakes for funerals?
A Question::
How is it possible to claim rights under the " Constitution " and not comprehend what is the POWER of the said?
What are the KEY words on the Top of that Document, and hence what is its POWER?
An Answer::
L.L. Power is 3 phase 60 Amp!
The US is not and never has been a democracy. The very existence of the Bill of Rights guarantees equal rights to all people and not just those in the majoirty.
Power is the rate of doing work.
Your comment makes no sense whatsoever.
E.A Post a Pic of the Constitution here and I will explain Line by Line
Either Someone can not do a search
Or they fear what they have Found.
And Rightly so, for what they are
Assuming as their " Rights " are Allowances,
that are by the " Will of WE the People "
and can be Withdrawn at ANY time!
That statement is incoherent.
I do not mean to insult you, but is English your first language?
Sorry but that's not how civil rights work in this country. You also might want to learn about the 14th Amendment.
Hey HA, I have an idea, why don't you seed some articles about gay wedding cakes ? We just don't see enough of that here on NT.
Gay wedding cakes did not choose to be gay, they were created that way. Just thought I'd point that out!
Good point!
No, they're just ex-straight cakes after going through conversion therapy.
If you bump the oven while the cake is baking or you add too much icing on one side your cake will no longer be straight. I suppose it might just be bi.
Are we talking about the sexual orientation of cakes or people?
Who is supposed to surrender?
Why would I surrender to you or anyone else? To surrender means that I have done something wrong and I accept the consequences of my actions, so what did I do wrong?
"Why would I surrender to you or anyone..."
Perhaps HA needs to look up the word surrender in order to know what the word means. Obviously, he doesn't.
He probably twists it in his mind to mean that atheists and those of us who support LGBT rights should surrender to him for offending his delicate religious sensibilities.
That would be a good guess. He feels superior to anyone who does not agree with him, especially, those who are gay or atheist. I am glad I don't know his Jesus if he is proud of people in the world like that.
Too bad he never learned what Jesus actually said,
Or, like my mother use to tell me all the time, "Don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his moccasins"
E.A why not Quote Matthew 7:20-21
Here this will help with getting the Gist of it!!!
Matthew 7
15Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20So then, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’
The House on the Rock
(Luke 6:46-49)
24Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain fell, the torrents raged, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because its foundation was on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain fell, the torrents raged, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell—and great was its collapse!”
So tell me what is the " Fruit " that a person bears?
Exactly. And there does seem to be a few here on NT that like to make it their business to sit in judgement of others, when their own backyard is full of the same kind of crap they point their oh so pious fingers at. They need to clean up their own backyard before worrying about someone else's backyard.
It's really amazing to me that some of the Christians can even make a judgement about anyone considering what Jesus said,
Jesus wasn’t confused in His teaching. He didn’t mean we should never make a judgment about right and wrong. As He explained, He meant we shouldn’t make a judgement hypocritically. Considering that most of the Right wing Christians are hypocrites when it comes to their own lives, this says it all about their judgements on anyone else.
I knew you needed to look up sarcasm in dictionary.com
Good idea......there just isn't enough stupidity going on around here on NT these days. /s
Actually a dumb bigot at a local CrossFit gym cancelled a previously scheduled event because he hates gays. Then an equally bigoted corporate officer foolishly tweeted his support for that bigotry. So not only has the bigoted corporate officer been fired, but the local gym has been closed and its franchise revoked. No ethical company today wants such bigoted morons as employees or even as franchise holders......the liability is just too great and the PR damage can cause serious harm to a company.
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Not really. Kennedy reversed a lower court error but he said that Colorado's law properly prohibited what the bigoted baker did. So your side actually lost big time.
Note that the first ruling to cite the Masterpiece decision used it as precedent to uphold a non-discrimination law which some dumb bigots had challenged because they hate gays.
Kennedy only actually addressed 1/2 of the issue, but he left enough informatrion in the ruling about how he would rule when the issue of LGBT discrimination in a public business is actually adressed.
By "1/2 of the issue" are you referring to free exercise vs free expression claims? If so you should note that neither has ever been accepted as an excuse for violating these laws, and the former has been explicitly rejected. The only limiting factor would be the compelled speech doctrine but that's not a legitimate argument when the denial of service hinges on the identity of the customer rather than the content of the message.
Note that the recent Phoenix ruling was about a free expression claim and it cites Masterpiece as precedent despite that claim not really being part of the Masterpiece case.
The other big factor here is that the court majority noted that any exception granted the business would have to be very narrow so as not to gut all non-discrimination laws......and that's simply not possible to do based on a constitutional claim. In other words if there is a constitutional claim which trump's the state's compelling interest then that claim could be used as an excuse to deny service to women and blacks, deny housing to blacks and Muslims, deny women employment, etc. I think people missed that part of the ruling or didn't really understand the breadth of what Kennedy was saying.
No, there's zero doubt about that. The government (federal, state or local) is absolutely free to protect sexual orientation or gender identity as a class and the legal treatment will be the same as for any other protected class. So that particular issue will never come before the court.
In fact since it's a state law in these cases it's not even within the scope of SCOTUS' authority to deny that protection anyway, absent a constitutional claim which generally undermines those laws. If it were a federal statute it would be a different matter, like the current issue in the courts of whether "sex" under Title VII protects sexual orientation.
some must see updates:::
https://thenewstalkers.com/eagle-averro/blog/1417/censorship
Hey, y'all had a fit claiming that 'the gay' redefined marriage. Why are you trying to redefine bigotry?
E.A so asking for Stoning Christians in not " Bigotry "?
bigotry
[big-uh-tree]
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noun, plural big·ot·ries.
stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.?
Origin of bigotry
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See more synonyms on Thesaurus.comE.A Yes and that is clearly shown by the allowance of that Post to stand, and worse still the N umber of NT members that Voted that up!
Now take that measure and see how many NT members have had Code Violation, for far FAR lesser shall we say " infringements " that screams loud and clear!
Who the fuck asked for Stoning of Christians?
I've wanted to punch a couple in the face but never wanted to stone one.
E.A posted a few lines above where we are now,,
8 Eagle Averro 4 hours ago
some must see updates:::
https://thenewstalkers.com/eagle-averro/blog/1417/censorship
So that means that Christians are bigoted against gay people. Good to see you admit it.
Oh you mean the spam? Try a little Buddhism and BE HERE NOW. Address THIS thread in THIS seed. Sheesh.
The problem is, the bigotry is some christians AGAINST others. Those christians are pissed they can't discriminate at will without consequences. It is so weird to see the power group try to pull victim card because of the blowback from their bigotry. The interpretation of religion that promotes that is wrong. It offends me when religion is used to do the opposite of the original intent.
LOL. You've previously admitted that you think gay couples should be denied the right to marry, and you currently admit that you think Christian extremists who own a business should be free to deny service to gays.....just like the racist Southern Baptists who denied service to black folks.
Wow man, if a Christian wants to get stoned who am I to disagree?
E.A LOL Well for ONE if they do it then they can not claim to be " Christian " but what got you from One stone to that one?
My twisted mind.
E.A see what a Lot of STONEs/Stoning can do!! Lay OFF it!!
LMFAO
It would appear that he can't remember which side of his mouth he as talking out of before.
Well, everyone knows he speaks with forked tongue. Sorry, (hangs head)
When faith-based adoption orgs. are operating with state money their religious beliefs are secondary to their duties as an arm of the secular state. If they don't like that fact then they must stop accepting state money as a state-supported adoption agency.
Not only is it a forked tongue, but, it is also badly bent.
Like a mountain road.
How very magnanimous of you.
How about outside of their homes?
So if a baker selling a gay couple a wedding cake means that the baker supports the marriage, does selling a gun used in a murder mean that the seller supports the murder?
Pfffttt.
I have no problem with faith based agencies being able to discriminate against gay people adopting either, as long as they don't receive a penny of federal or state funding.
Baking a cake is not in any way being part of a marriage ceremony. Drop the emotional hyperbole.