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Beatings, killings, gulags: North Korea rights abuses likely to be ignored at summit

  

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Via:  hal-a-lujah  •  8 years ago  •  46 comments

Beatings, killings, gulags: North Korea rights abuses likely to be ignored at summit

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Lee Cheol cannot remember how many times he was forced to gather with his fellow soldiers at an airfield outside Pyongyang in North Korea and watch as firing squads executed enemies of the state. But one thing he does remember is that these public displays of violence increased under Kim Jong-un.

“I was very traumatised, I couldn’t eat or sleep for days,” Lee says, recalling the first time he was made to watch teams of soldiers unload their AK-47s into the condemned. “I remember the sound of a person being hit by a bullet, it’s very different from the sound of a target, but after seeing it so many times I became numb.”

Lee spent nearly eight years in the North Korean army, starting when he was 16. It was his only chance at a better life, and of going to university. But his military career was marked with intense violence that included public executions and regular beatings doled out on his unit as a form of collective punishment.

It is estimated that between 80,000 and 120,000 political prisoners are detained in four large political prison camps in North Korea, according to a landmark United Nations inquiry that compiled evidence of a raft of crimes against humanity.

The UN commission of inquiry found the regime’s crimes included “extermination, murder, enslavement, torture, imprisonment, rape, forced abortions and other sexual violence, persecution on political, religious, racial and gender grounds, the forcible transfer of populations, the enforced disappearance of persons and the inhumane act of knowingly causing prolonged starvation”. The targets included people the regime considered a threat to the political system and leadership of North Korea.

Human Rights Watch says North Korea remains one of the world’s most repressive states despite recent diplomatic openings with South Korea, the United States, and other countries.

Despite this, North Korea’s plethora of human rights abuses are unlikely to be discussed in depth at a landmark summit between Donald Trump and Kim on 12 June in Singapore, with officials singularly focused on convincing the North to relinquish its nuclear weapons program.

Luxury for some, starvation for others

Lee worked in a construction brigade, toiling on government buildings and apartments for the country’s elite. His faith in the regime began to deteriorate when he was assigned to one of Kim’s vacation homes.

“We were told everyone in North Korea was going through hardship together, but they were living in luxury,” he says. “I felt betrayed, like my whole life was a lie.”

A set of blueprints for one of those holiday retreats in the resort town of Wonsan went missing, and Lee was blamed. He escaped to his home town and was told by senior officials he would be executed if caught. He bribed his way out of North Korea last year, but still fears for his family and asked to use a pseudonym out of concern they may face reprisals.

Michael Kirby, the former Australian judge who chaired the UN inquiry, says the “gulag-like” camps are a “a very large aggregate of human suffering” and the world has a responsibility to address the regime’s “many crimes against humanity”.

Kirby hopes Trump will raise human rights with Kim when they meet and worries that if the topic is not brought up now, it might be hard to return to it down the track.

“If there’s no progress on human rights, you’re never going to have peace and security on the Korean peninsula,” he says. “You’re then putting all of your eggs in the basket of hoping that economic progress which may be offered to North Korea will bring with it human rights developments. That sometimes happens, but it doesn’t always happen.”

Trump did not mention the issue when he hosted Kim Yong-chol, a senior regime official, for talks at the White House last Friday, but the president has kept open the possibility of discussing human rights at the forthcoming summit with the North Korean leader. “I think we probably will, and maybe in great detail,” Trump told reporters after his meeting with the regime’s former spy chief.

North Korea has previously bristled at diplomatic efforts to raise the topic. The regime, which rejected offers to cooperate with the UN commission of inquiry, later claimed its findings were “concocted by the US and other hostile forces”. Just last month, North Korea’s foreign ministry said the US should not “deliberately provoke” the country by raising human rights issues and deploying strategic military assets in South Korea.

Increasing brutality

Kim, the third ruler in the dynasty, has been accused of ordering acts of extreme brutality as he moved to tighten his own grip on power. Lee observed a rise in executions of military officers after Kim came to power, and described increasingly brutal methods, including the use of explosive rounds that tore bodies apart as families were forced to watch.

Kim’s uncle, Jang Song-thaek, was executed in 2013 after being accused of plotting a coup and his estranged half-brother, Kim Jong-nam, died after assassins smeared a substance believed to be the banned chemical weapon VX in his face in Malaysia’s Kuala Lumpur airport in February last year. The two women accused of his murder, who say they were tricked into taking part, are facing the death penalty. The US placed Kim on its sanctions blacklist in mid-2016 for complicity in human rights abuses.

Paek Yosep has firsthand knowledge of the cruelty of the North Korean state. Paek, the son of an army political officer who was raised in relative comfort, fled the army when he was conscripted at 17. He was caught by Chinese police and sent back to North Korea where he was sent to a labor camp, which he described as “one of the lightest possible sentences”.

While he was there interrogators would strip him naked and beat him with a belt and wooden sticks, and the guards forced him to stay awake for days on end.

“Most prisoners lie because they are afraid of being punished, and the authorities use violence to make people tell the truth,” he says.

But Paek and Lee’s experiences are unlikely to register at a hastily arranged summit with designs on reshaping the regional political landscape.

“It’s a missed opportunity and unfortunate human rights are being sidelined in a rush to rapprochement and solving security problems,” says Sokeel Park, director of research and strategy at the rights group Liberty in North Korea.

“Everyone sees North Korea as a security problem, but it’s not, it’s a country and these problems are a symptom of its fundamental way of operating. Unless there are changes in the system, there won’t be any lasting breakthroughs,” he added. “You can’t have a normal security relationship with such an abnormal country.”


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Hal A. Lujah
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1  seeder  Hal A. Lujah    8 years ago

This article was released before Trump's meeting with Kim.  I'm only posting it because his moronic followers seem to be entirely unaware, or entirely unbothered by the reality of life in North Korea.  There are a number of good books written by women who have survived escaping from North Korea.  I imagine they won't bother to look into them either.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1    8 years ago

I think I know everything I need to know by looking at how thin the people of NK are and how stout Kim is.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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1.1.2  mocowgirl  replied to  Release The Kraken @1.1.1    8 years ago
Once they get a Walmart, the'll fatten up.

But that will do little to nothing to alleviate abuse if what has happened in China is any indication.

Authorities subjected more human rights defenders—including foreigners—to show trials in 2017, airing excerpted forced confessions and court trials on state television and social media. Police ensured the detainees’ compliance by torturing some of them, denying them access to lawyers of their choice, and holding them incommunicado for months.

In Xinjiang, a nominally autonomous region with 11 million Turkic Muslim Uyghurs, authorities stepped up mass surveillance and the security presence despite the lack of evidence demonstrating an organized threat. They also adopted new policies denying Uyghurs cultural and religious rights.

Hong Kong’s human rights record took a dark turn. Hong Kong courts disqualified four pro-democracy lawmakers in July and jailed three prominent pro-democracy student leaders in August.

China’s growing global influence means many of its rights violations now have international implications. In April, security officials at the United Nations headquarters in New York City ejected from the premises Dolkun Isa, an ethnic Uyghur rights activist, who was accredited as a nongovernmental organization (NGO) participant to a forum there; no explanation was provided.

In June, the European Union failed for the first time ever to deliver a statement under a standing agenda item at the UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC) regarding country situations requiring the council’s attention. This stemmed from Greece blocking the necessary EU consensus for such an intervention due to its unwillingness to criticize human rights violations in China, with which it has substantial trade ties. Chinese officials continued throughout the year to pressure governments around the world to forcibly return allegedly corrupt mainland officials despite a lack of legal protections in China or refugee status determination procedures outside China.

Despite the high costs, many in China continued to fight for rights and justice in 2017. Activists, including those working on women’s, disability, and lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights, continued to take cases to court to seek limited redress and raise awareness. In a small but significant step, in July a court in Henan province ruled against a public hospital for forcing a gay man to undergo discriminatory “conversion therapy.” In its narrow ruling, the court found that admitting the plaintiff to the hospital against his will violated his rights.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Release The Kraken @1.1.1    8 years ago

laughing dude

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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1.2  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1    8 years ago

I think the same could be said about all communist countries including China. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.2.1  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Dean Moriarty @1.2    8 years ago

China is a step up from North Korea.  It's where North Korean women go to escape execution and starvation, so that they may become a filthy old man's sex toy instead.  China won't execute them, but they will gladly hand them back to North Korea for them to execute.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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1.2.2  mocowgirl  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.2.1    8 years ago
China is a step up from North Korea.

Which means what exactly in the context of human rights abuses?  Being tortured/killed in China is preferable to being tortured/killed in Korea?

According to a report by World Economic Forum, China ranked 100th out of 144 countries for gender parity in 2017, falling for the ninth consecutive year since 2008, when it ranked 57th. 

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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1.2.3  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.2.1    8 years ago

China kills more if its own people than any other county and they do not release the statistics to the public. 

China is believed to have executed more people than the rest of the world combined in 2016

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.2.4  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  mocowgirl @1.2.2    8 years ago

I'm not patting China on the back.  I'm just sick to death of every single fucking issue about Trump being deflected into something about Hillary, or Obama, or Iran, or anything that any mouthbreather can come up with to force a random and meaningless comparison out of thin air.  Attempts at discussion on this forum aren't even worth it anymore.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.2.5  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Dean Moriarty @1.2.3    8 years ago

You're going to hurt Buzz's feelings.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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1.2.6  mocowgirl  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.2.4    8 years ago
I'm just sick to death of every single fucking issue about Trump being deflected into something about Hillary

Got it.

So regardless of anything that might be positive in any manner to the people of Korea or the US, it must be criticized as long as Trump is POTUS?

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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1.2.7  mocowgirl  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.2.4    8 years ago
Attempts at discussion on this forum aren't even worth it anymore.

Discussion or conversion...or working through the 7 stages of grief because Clinton lost in 2008 and 2016?

This level of anger is not healthy for the person who has it and the people it is directed towards.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.2.8  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  mocowgirl @1.2.7    8 years ago

And there it is …. Hillary. Thanks for proving my point. Every day I see you getting a little cozier to Trump.  Sad.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.2.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Dean Moriarty @1.2.3    8 years ago
China is believed to have executed more people than the rest of the world combined in 2016

That's only because Russia, Syria and North Korea, all of Trumps new crew, don't admit or publish all the dissenters, political opponents and journalists they "disappear" annually. China actually publishes when it's planning to execute prisoners.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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1.2.10  mocowgirl  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.2.8    8 years ago
Every day I see you getting a little cozier to Trump.

Written in the manner of a true Clinton supporter who can't get over it.

I did not vote for Trump or Clinton.  I am in the majority of US citizens who do not trust either one of them. 

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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1.2.11  mocowgirl  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.2.8    8 years ago
And there it is …. Hillary.

In reference to you bringing her up in the first place.

However, she is always the elephant in the room wherever her supporters gather to "discuss" politics.  LOL!

 
 
 
GregTx
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1.2.12  GregTx  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.2.4    8 years ago

Sounds frustrating, but on the bright side at least you're not automatically deemed a racist simply for being critical of the current president.😁 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.2.13  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  mocowgirl @1.2.10    8 years ago

I was a Bernie supporter, and only voted for Hillary because she wasn't the disaster that the EC decided should be President (the actual voters decided otherwise).  The US is now the laughingstock of the world, but you are comfortable with that so long as a Clinton isn't in the White House.  Trump's actions and anti-diplomacy will have lasting repercussions for your kids and grandkids, but hey, at least they won't have to read about President Hillary Clinton in their school books. Good deal.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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1.2.14  mocowgirl  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.2.13    8 years ago
but you are comfortable with that so long as a Clinton isn't in the White House.

Projection again.  Again spoken like a Clinton supporter.

My level of comfort in life has little to do with who is living in the White House in the United States since I know that the POTUS of the United States does not have unlimited power and is not invincible.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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1.2.15  mocowgirl  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.2.13    8 years ago
Trump's actions and anti-diplomacy will have lasting repercussions

More than that of any other POTUS that has bombed and starved our economic "enemies" in other countries?

More than that of any other POTUS that has backed trade agreements that were detrimental US workers?

etc., etc., etc.,..........

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.2.16  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  mocowgirl @1.2.14    8 years ago
I know that the POTUS of the United States does not have unlimited power and is not invincible.

Just watch what Trump will have to say about that in the future.  He's already commented positively about China's decision to instill its leader for life, and Republicans are demonstrating a willingness to postpone Presidential elections here in the US.  He's eliminated almost everyone who was hired to guide him on foreign and domestic policy, two areas he is completely ignorant on.  He still refuses to release his tax returns, which likely show a financial allegiance to Russian powers.  He's one millimeter away from doing anything possible to end an investigation into his corruption.  A sizeable portion of his own party recognizes the danger he represents, but hey, Hillary isn't in the White House.  That's all that matters to you.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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1.2.17  mocowgirl  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.2.16    8 years ago
A sizeable portion of his own party recognizes the danger he represents,

Fearmongering?  Paranoia?  Hillary tried that tactic when she lost to Obama.  

Trump is an old fat man who does not diet or exercise.  He is not immortal or invincible.  He is certainly not going to topple the US government with a handful of cronies and a handful of rednecks waving confederate flags.

Some of us are not as susceptible to political fearmongering BS as others because we realize that fear shuts down our capacity to problem solve and think rationally.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.2.18  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  mocowgirl @1.2.17    8 years ago

Oh, a comment about Hillary.  How refreshing.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.2.20  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to    8 years ago

Lol - you think that China and North Korea are equals in human rights violations?!  Tell that to any North Korean.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.3  Tacos!  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1    8 years ago
seem to be entirely unaware, or entirely unbothered by the reality of life in North Korea.

Not at all. But you aren't going to solve all the problems before lunch, ya know? It's the first meeting and it lasted what? 4 hours? What did you accomplish this morning?

Just wondering: Can we also look forward to a call from you to end our peaceful relations and trade with China? Because they are like the Super Bowl of human rights abuses and we do hundreds of billions of dollars in business with them every year. Are we to deduce from your silence that you are "entirely unbothered by the reality of life in" China?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.3.1  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Tacos! @1.3    8 years ago

It is a given that NK will not ever use a nuclear weapon on the US or its allies, what allies we have left anyways, because it would be assured suicide.  Pretending that their nuclear threat is more important than widespread forced famine and massive human rights violations gives rational thinking people a clear view into the warped mind of a Trump supporter. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1    8 years ago
I'm only posting it because his moronic followers seem to be entirely unaware, or entirely unbothered by the reality of life in North Korea

Lucky we have you Hal. Who could forget  you spending 2009-2017 attacking the Obama administration for ignoring the human rights violations in NK. It's not like you suddenly developed an interest in the suffering of the people of NK as a cudgel to wield against Trump. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.4.1  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.4    8 years ago

Obama did the right thing, as did his predecessors when it comes to North Korea.  He ignored their disingenuous offers for discussions.  I don't know what you think Obama should have done.  Do you thing he should have just loaded up a container ship full of humanitarian aid and floated it into NK territory?  Maybe include a note to please denuclearize?  I'm sure you would have given him high praise for that!  Trump has intentionally ignored everything important about the real crisis in North Korea, to focus his sycophantic followers on nuclear fear mongering.  In the process, he has painted himself as Kim's little bitch.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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1.4.2  mocowgirl  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.4.1    8 years ago
I don't know what you think Obama should have done.

Not sell arms to Saudi Arabia.  Trump is continuing the sales, but would Hillary have done differently?  Why is our country always promoting war?  Is it because it is profitable?

U.S. President Barack Obama’s administration has offered Saudi Arabia more than $115 billion in weapons, other military equipment and training, the most of any U.S. administration in the 71-year U.S.-Saudi alliance, a report seen by Reuters has found.

Washington’s arms sales to Riyadh recently have come under fire from rights groups and some members of Congress are disturbed by the rising number of civilian casualties in the war in Yemen, where a coalition led by Saudi Arabia is fighting Iran-allied Houthi rebels.

The conflict has killed at least 10,000 people. Last month the United Nations human rights office said that 3,799 civilians have died in the conflict, with coalition air strikes responsible for an estimated 60 percent of the deaths.

“The more recent deals that have involved resupplying Saudi Arabia with ammunition, bombs, and tanks to replace weaponry used up or damaged in the war in Yemen are no doubt driven in part by the effort to ‘reassure’ the Saudis that the U.S. will not tilt towards Iran in the wake of the nuclear deal,” Hartung said.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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1.4.3  Raven Wing   replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.4.1    8 years ago

Both Kim and Trump are liars, and neither can be trusted to keep their word. All that 'letter' represents is a laughable promise to try and fool the world of their good intentions toward the world and each other. If it was not so pathetic if would be funny. 

But, as we all know, there is a fool born every minute, and there are always those who will believe it. And that is what they are counting on.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.5  Greg Jones  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1    8 years ago

So you're expecting everything to be fixed in 4 hours? And how does this relate to the nuke issue? Are you saying that Kim can't or won't change his ways?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.5.1  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Greg Jones @1.5    8 years ago

Step one is identify the real problem.  He failed.  All he is interested in is a photo op.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.5.2  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @1.5    8 years ago
Are you saying that Kim can't or won't change his ways?

Has he, his dad or grandfather? No. They lie every single time. Remember that Iran deal you hated so much? What did Obama say? "This deal is not based on trust....". What did trump say? "I trust him..". Trump literally said he trusts a dictator that has had over 400 people executed, including some of his own family? Do you have any idea how fucking stupid that is? Trump trusts him? Holy shit...what a disaster. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
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3  Sunshine    8 years ago

When I saw Trump shake that assholes hand it did make me cringe a lot.  But, I also understand that sometimes it must be done to hopefully move forward and help those that so desperately need it.

Nixon's visit  to China was deemed horrendous at the time.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Sunshine @3    8 years ago

It appears that some resident liberals are wishing this peace initiative will fail.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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3.1.1  Sunshine  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    8 years ago

Guess we should just do nothing....only thing that seems to make them happy.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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3.1.4  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to    8 years ago

Mostly yours though.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.6  MrFrost  replied to    8 years ago
I joke around you take your seriously way too seriously.

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