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Amid outrage, Homeland Security chief Kirstjen Nielsen 'will not apologize' for separating families

  

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Via:  sixpick  •  8 years ago  •  65 comments

Amid outrage, Homeland Security chief Kirstjen Nielsen 'will not apologize' for separating families

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Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen says officials will not apologize for enforcing immigration laws that result in the separation of children from their parents. (June 18) AP

Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen on Monday defended her department's policies amid  increasingly intense scrutiny over separating children from adults accused of illegally crossing the border.

Nielsen, in a speech to the National Sheriffs’ Association in New Orleans, said the children are provided food, medical attention, education and anything else they might need.

"We have to do our job. We will not apologize for doing our job," she said. "This administration has a simple message — If you cross the border illegally, we will prosecute you."

Nielsen spoke hours after taking to Twitter to vehemently deny that her department's border policy dictates separation of children from their parents.

"We do not have a policy of separating families at the border. Period," Nielsen tweeted late Sunday. "For those seeking asylum at ports of entry, we have continued the policy from previous administrations and will only separate if the child is in danger, there is no custodial relationship between 'family' members, or if the adult has broken a law."

Nielsen stressed that families seeking asylum at border entries are not breaking the law.

"As I have said many times before, if you are seeking asylum for your family, there is no reason to break the law and illegally cross between ports of entry," she tweeted. 

A new policy, unveiled by Attorney General Jeff Sessions in April, calls for "zero-tolerance" for immigrants who illegally enter the U.S. along the Mexican border. Sessions warned that violators would be met with "the full prosecutorial powers of the Department of Justice."

Through the end of May, almost 2,000 children were separated from adults who said they were their parents or guardians, the department said last week

Sessions also defended the Trump administration policy at the sheriff's event. He said the number of immigrants crossing with children increased sharply during the Obama administration.

“This cannot continue,” Sessions said. “We do not want to separate children from their parents. We do not want adults to bring children into this country unlawfully, placing them at risk.

But he said the administration must prosecute adults who "flout our laws" to come here illegally instead of waiting their turn or claiming asylum at any port of entry.

"We cannot and will not encourage people to bring children by giving them blanket immunity from our laws," he said. "If we build the wall, if we pass legislation to end the lawlessness, we won’t face these terrible choices. We will have a system where those who need to apply for asylum can do so and those who want to come to this country will apply legally,” he said.

Republicans were tentatively planning to offer two bills this week in Congress, one that would sharply curtail legal immigration and a compromise measure, as yet not revealed, that could draw criticism from conservatives. President Trump on Monday tweeted a challenge to Democrats, saying they should back GOP immigration bills aimed at fixing "the world's worst immigration laws.

"Where is the outcry for the killings and crime being caused by gangs and thugs, including MS-13, coming into our country illegally?" he added.


We do not have a policy of separating families at the border. Period.

— Sec. Kirstjen Nielsen (@SecNielsen) June 17, 2018

Trump cited Europe, and particularly Germany, for the "big mistake" of accepting millions of Middle Eastern refugees in recent years.

"The people of Germany are turning against their leadership as migration is rocking the already tenuous Berlin coalition. Crime in Germany is way up," Trump tweeted. "We don’t want what is happening with immigration in Europe to happen with us!"

But controversy over DHS treatment of families continues to heat up. Former first lady Laura Bush said that as a resident of a border state, she appreciates the need to protect the nation's boundaries.

"But this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral," Bush tweeted. "And it breaks my heart."


We don’t want what is happening with immigration in Europe to happen with us!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 18, 2018

Earlier, first lady Melania Trump also weighed in through her communications director Stephanie Grisham. Melania Trump, Grisham told CNN on Sunday, "believes we need to be a country that follows all laws, but also a country that governs with heart."

The policy has drawn global fury, with U.N. human rights chief, Zeid Ra’ad al-Hussein, on Monday urging the U.S. to halt the “unconscionable” policy.

Some Republicans have split with the administration on the issue. Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, said the policy is "inconsistent with our American values," adding that "we need to fix our immigration laws, but using children is not the answer."

Even from some of Trump's strongest supporters have panned the policy. Evangelist Franklin Graham, son of legendary evangelist Billy Graham, last week described the splitting up of families as "disgraceful."

“It’s terrible to see families ripped apart and I don’t support that one bit,” Graham told the Christian Broadcasting Network.


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sixpick
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1  seeder  sixpick    8 years ago

 
 
 
luther28
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2  luther28    8 years ago

Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen says officials will not apologize for enforcing immigration laws that result in the separation of children from their parents

An apology is not required, ending an indecent practice is.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  luther28 @2    8 years ago

"Our message, absolutely, is don't send your children unaccompanied, on trains or through a bunch of smugglers," the president said when challenged about whether he's been resolute enough in discouraging such reckless illegal immigration. "We don't even know how many of these kids don't make it, and may have been waylaid into sex trafficking or killed because they fell off a train." .....Barak Obama


 
 
 
It Is ME
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5  It Is ME    8 years ago

"Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen says officials will not apologize for enforcing immigration laws that result in the separation of children from their parents."

GOOD !

Are the "Illegal" Adults Reeeeeeally the parents ? thinking

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1  Greg Jones  replied to  It Is ME @5    8 years ago

A good percentage are not the real parents. Lots of them are drug runners, sex traffickers, and gang members.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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5.1.1  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1    8 years ago
A good percentage are not the real parents. Lots of them are drug runners, sex traffickers, and gang members.

BULLSHIT.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @5.1.1    8 years ago
BULLSHIT.

Really ?

Viable Link, Viable Report, anything showing that's the case you spouted ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.1.4  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.3    8 years ago
Remover for context

Deleted, no value  {SP}

Members should refrain from disciplining other members. If someone is violating the CoC, members should make no comment but rather use the flagging system to report it to the moderators.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.1.6  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.5    8 years ago
SP corrected my violation so you can shut up about it now.

NOPE !

A Blatant COC Violation deserved more than a "Spell Check" change....from what I understand, that is. thumbs up

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.1.9  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.8    8 years ago
If you keep this up I will speak to a moderator and ask you to stop addressing me and I will do the same.

Sooooo…..if I do "Your Thing" (5.1.7) .....you are gonna tell ? Not Impressed

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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5.1.10  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.2    8 years ago

Here ya go, it's just the audio but, that was all they were able to smuggle out of the Trump concentration camp.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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5.1.11  Thrawn 31  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1    8 years ago
A good percentage are not the real parents. Lots of them are drug runners, sex traffickers, and gang members

Based on what evidence?

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.1.14  It Is ME  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @5.1.10    8 years ago

Still doesn't prove the "Adults" that dragged them into the desert were their parents.

Funny...... NO U.S. citizen has this type of outcry when a U.S. citizen breaks the law and is separated from their children.

Kinda makes you wonder why Non-Citizens are sooooooo important to Liberal/Progressive types.

 
 
 
sixpick
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5.1.15  seeder  sixpick  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.9    8 years ago

Tessylo and It Is Me.....

As you know, I would love for both of you to be able to comment and maybe accomplish something in this discussion, but put a little more attention on the issue instead of each other, please.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.1.16  It Is ME  replied to  sixpick @5.1.15    8 years ago

I'm always game ! thumbs up

It does take 2 though. la de da

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.1.18  It Is ME  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.17    8 years ago
Its all about census numbers.

Of course. What's already here is the same number. Gotta get one some NEW numbers !

 
 
 
sixpick
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5.1.19  seeder  sixpick  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.2    8 years ago

Opinion vs fact.  Even though we may be able to provide links, as we know how many of them can you really depend on to not just be opinions?  But at least we'll be a little closer with links to discussing the situations a little more intelligently.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.1.20  It Is ME  replied to  sixpick @5.1.19    8 years ago
Opinion vs fact.

"Opinion" rules on this matter. That's 98% of what we've been fed by MSM. We only get a few snippets of chopped up responses of those actually on the ground running the show.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.1.21  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.3    8 years ago

If you trust a CNN report that shows the number of reported cases in human trafficking across the border have risen steadily, and are under reported.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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5.2  A. Macarthur  replied to  It Is ME @5    8 years ago
Are the "Illegal" Adults Reeeeeeally the parents ?

There is a legal protocol to determine that … and Trump/Sessions intentionally abandoned that and implemented the current, inhumane POLICY (not law, not approved by Congress or Democrats), AND LIED ABOUT IT NUMEROUS TIMES!

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.2.1  It Is ME  replied to  A. Macarthur @5.2    8 years ago
There is a legal protocol to determine that … and Trump/Sessions intentionally abandoned that

How does one "Abandoned" something that truly doesn't exist as a "Finite" law ?

Based on that...."Illegal" Immigration has always just been a kneejerk reaction based on circumstances alone ?

A "Just because" ?

Sounds to me that Trump is right ! WE HAVE AN "ILLEGAL" IMMIGRATION PROBLEM !

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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5.2.2  A. Macarthur  replied to  It Is ME @5.2.1    8 years ago
How does one "Abandoned" something that truly doesn't exist as a "Finite" law ?

By, as I stated, UNILATERALLY and ARBITRARILY ABROGATING THAT LAW!

What is the process of asylum?
Individuals are generally placed into defensive  asylum processing  in one of two ways:· They are referred to an Immigration Judge by USCIS after they have been determined to be ineligible for  asylum  at the end of the affirmative  asylum process
Obtaining Asylum in the United States

The two ways of obtaining asylum in the United States are through the affirmative process and defensive process.

Affirmative Asylum Processing With USCIS

To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.

You must apply for asylum within one year of the date of their last arrival in the United States, unless you can show:

  • Changed circumstances that materially affect your eligibility for asylum or extraordinary circumstances relating to the delay in filing
  • You filed within a reasonable amount of time given those circumstances.

You may apply for affirmative asylum by submitting Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, to USCIS. See   Form I 589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal   for instructions on how to file for asylum,.

If your case is not approved and you do not have a legal immigration status, we will issue a Form I-862, Notice to Appear, and forward (or refer) your case to an Immigration Judge at the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR). The Immigration Judge conducts a ‘de novo’ hearing of the case. This means that the judge conducts a new hearing and issues a decision that is independent of the decision made by USCIS. If we do not have jurisdiction over your case, the Asylum Office will issue an I-863, Notice of Referral to Immigration Judge, for an asylum-only hearing. See ‘Defensive Asylum Processing With EOIR’ below if this situation applies to you.

Affirmative asylum applicants are rarely detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). You may live in the United States while your application is pending before USCIS. If you are found ineligible, you can remain in the United States while your application is pending with the Immigration Judge. Most asylum applicants are not authorized to work.

Please see the   The Affirmative Asylum Process   for step-by-step information.

Defensive Asylum Processing with EOIR

A defensive application for asylum occurs when you request asylum as a defense against removal from the U.S. For asylum processing to be defensive, you must be in removal proceedings in immigration court with the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR).

Individuals are generally placed into defensive asylum processing in one of two ways:·

  • They are referred to an Immigration Judge by USCIS after they have been determined to be ineligible for asylum at the end of the affirmative asylum process, or
  • They are placed in removal proceedings because they:
    • Were apprehended (or caught) in the United States or at a U.S. port of entry without proper legal documents or in violation of their immigration status,
      OR
    • Were caught by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) trying to enter the United States without proper documentation, were placed in the expedited removal process, and were found to have a credible fear of persecution or torture by an Asylum Officer. See   Questions & Answers: Credible Fear Screenings   for more information on the Credible Fear Process.

Immigration Judges hear defensive asylum cases in adversarial (courtroom-like) proceedings. The judge will hear arguments from both of the following parties:

  • The individual (and his or her attorney, if represented)·
  • The U.S. Government, which is represented by an attorney from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)

The Immigration Judge then decides whether the individual is eligible for asylum. If found eligible, the Immigration Judge will order asylum to be granted. If found ineligible for asylum, the Immigration Judge will determine whether the individual is eligible for any other forms of relief from removal. If found ineligible for other forms of relief, the Immigration Judge will order the individual to be removed from the United States. The Immigration Judge’s decision can be appealed by either party.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.2.3  It Is ME  replied to  A. Macarthur @5.2.2    8 years ago
You must apply for asylum within one year of the date of their last arrival in the United States

Trump is stopping catch and release. Clapping

"They are referred to an Immigration Judge by USCIS"

He also said he is not going to start hiring thousands of judges. It doesn't solve the problem . Clapping

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5.2.4  It Is ME  replied to  It Is ME @5.2.3    8 years ago

Deportation
Deportation is the formal removal of a foreign national from the U.S. for violating an immigration law.

The Deportation Process
The United States may deport foreign nationals who participate in criminal acts, are a threat to public safety, or violate their visa.
Those who come to the U.S. without travel documents or with forged documents may be deported quickly without an immigration court hearing under an order of expedited removal (PDF, Download Adobe Reader).

Others may go before a judge in a longer deportation (removal) process.

The foreign national may be held in a detention center prior to trial or deportation. See a map of ICE detention facilities or use the ICE Online Detainee Locator System.

An Immigration Court of the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) hears the related case.
If a judge rules that the deportation proceeds, the receiving country of the person being deported must agree to accept them and issue travel documents before the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) carries out a removal order.

The majority of removals are carried out by air at U.S. government expense, although some removals may use a combination of air and ground transportation. Learn more about the removal of deported foreign nationals by air.

Criminal aliens who have committed nonviolent crimes may be subject to Rapid REPAT.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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6  bbl-1    8 years ago

Nielsen can not apologize.  Conservatism has no memory, honor or soul.

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
6.1  seeder  sixpick  replied to  bbl-1 @6    8 years ago

Nielsen can not apologize.  Conservatism has no memory, honor or soul.

So what would you do, bbl and what would be the consequences of such action or repercussions?

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Silent
6.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  sixpick @6.1    8 years ago

In all honesty.  I would vet the immigrants carefully and allow those deserving to become citizens if they desire.

I would also vet the Trumpers and force those undeserving to...………….leave.  As to where, that would depend upon anyplace that would accept them.

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
7  seeder  sixpick    8 years ago

Listen, I have to go, but will keep an eye on this article.  Think of things you would suggest to do about our problems with illegal immigration, not just this one aspect of the problem.

Please act like adults and keep it civil.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8  JBB    8 years ago
Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen

More like, "Frau Kirstjen Nielsen Infant Internment Camp Commandant"...

 
 

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