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Trump Lies About Germany, Again, to Cast Immigrants as an Existential Threat

  

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Via:  johnrussell  •  8 years ago  •  32 comments

Trump Lies About Germany, Again, to Cast Immigrants as an Existential Threat

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THE PRESIDENT OF the United States told a blatant lie about Germany on Monday, claiming that the nation’s crime rate — which is at its lowest level in 25 years  — has gone “way up” since Europe granted asylum to hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing the wars in Syria and Iraq.

The lie, posted on Twitter by Donald Trump, was an attempt to justify the exceedingly cruel measures he ordered to deter unauthorized immigration, including the arrest of asylum-seekers at the southern border and the removal of their children for detention in cages .

It was widely debunked and criticized by Germans, like the political scientist Marcel Dirsus.





Marcel Dirsus









We will not be lectured on immigration by a man who locks up children in cages.

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Donald J. Trump




The people of Germany are turning against their leadership as migration is rocking the already tenuous Berlin coalition. Crime in Germany is way up. Big mistake made all over Europe in allowing millions of people in who have so strongly and violently changed their culture!

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As Mathieu von Rohr of the German magazine Der Spiegel pointed out, Trump’s false claim about crime in Germany — which is down 5.1 percent overall since last year and 2.4 percent for violent offenses — also misled readers about the continued popularity of Chancellor Angela Merkel, even as she resists calls for a crackdown on asylum-seekers from allied conservatives in the state of Bavaria.

Jeremy Cliffe, the Berlin bureau chief of The Economist, noted that Trump’s grasp of the politics of immigration in Germany is also shaky. While it is certainly true that Merkel’s party has lost some support to the anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany, the far-right party is still supported by just 16 percent of the voters in recent polling, and its leader, Alexander Gauland, trails Merkel 50-12 in overall approval.

Undeterred by the facts, Trump followed his false claim with a second tweet, in which he revealed that the lie about Germany was part of a broader effort to cast immigration, at least by nonwhites, as an existential threat to both Europe and the United States.





Donald J. Trump









We don’t want what is happening with immigration in Europe to happen with us!











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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1  seeder  JohnRussell    8 years ago

This is an interesting development. Let's just say that the stank of the white nationalist Trump adviser Stephen Miller is all over this as Trump begins to consolidate his racist base for the November elections. 

This article is nice evidence that the Trump administration draws a connection between immigrants from the south of the US and migrants from the Middle East and Africa into Europe. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2  Trout Giggles    8 years ago

Why does he have to lie so much?

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1  epistte  replied to  Trout Giggles @2    8 years ago
Why does he have to lie so much?

It is about his message and his ego. Facts are irrelevant to him because he knows that his followers don't care about the truth. They want their beliefs reinforced and echoed by the government. 

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Silent
3  lady in black    8 years ago

This POS lies every time he opens his fool mouth

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4  Sean Treacy    8 years ago

German migrants are twice as likely to commit crime as Germans.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    8 years ago

You make a good Trumpster. When he is asked why he lied about the German crime rate he will probably say the same thing you did. 

 
 
 
epistte
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4.2  epistte  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    8 years ago
German migrants are twice as likely to commit crime as Germans.

Prove it.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Quiet
5  Skrekk    8 years ago

Heck....where I live we used to whine about those damn criminal immigrants from Germany, like Herr Drumpf.    We know that he was a pimp and a rum-runner, his son a KKK member and his grandson a sociopathic con artist.    Nothing good has ever come from these criminal German immigrants.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
6  Sunshine    8 years ago

Maybe it is Germany lying - 

"For years the policy has been to leave the [German] population in the dark about the actual crime situation... The citizens are being played for fools. Rather than tell the truth, they [government officials] are evading responsibility and passing blame onto the citizens and the police." — André Schulz, director, Association of Criminal Police, Germany.

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1  epistte  replied to  Sunshine @6    8 years ago

Maybe you could find a source that doesn't illicit guffaws because of its obvious bias?   Gatestone is John Bolton's mouthpiece that has a middle eastern bias so obvious that even Helen Keller can see it. 

What do the crime figures say?

The latest official crime figures we have from Germany show that 5.76 million crimes were reported in 2017. As a percentage of the population, this means crime is now at its lowest level for 30 years.

What about crime by foreigners?

Crime by foreigners specifically is also down significantly – and even more sharply. The figure of crimes by non-German nationals fell by 23 per cent since last year, from 950,000 to just over 700,000.

Should we believe the figures?

Polls suggest Germans are more worried about crime, with 44 per cent saying they feel less secure in Germany than a year before. 

The disconnect has been noted in Germany. Conservative Interior Minister Horst Seehofer – who happens to be Angela Merkel's main critic on immigration – says "Germany has become safer" but also adds "much more needs to be done".

Andre Schulz, the head of the Federation of German Police Officers, said the difference btween public sentiment and actual safety was "a paradox," and that the two had no bearing on one another.

Use a 3rd party source that doesn't have a dog in the fight.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
6.1.1  Sunshine  replied to  epistte @6.1    8 years ago

prove the bias in the article.

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1.2  epistte  replied to  Sunshine @6.1.1    8 years ago
prove the bias in the article.

Why would anyone place any merit on what Donald Trump says when it has been proven that he lies more than 75% of the time? Unless you agree with his xenophobia........?

What is it about immigrants that bothers you? 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
6.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  epistte @6.1.2    8 years ago
What is it about immigrants that bothers you? 

The GOP has been waging war on people with brown skin for decades. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
6.1.4  Sunshine  replied to  epistte @6.1.2    8 years ago

Prove bias in the article.  You implied it, now prove it.  

Did the article say something about Trump?  You are too funny.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
6.1.5  Sunshine  replied to  epistte @6.1.2    8 years ago
What is it about immigrants that bothers you?

What is it about the truth that bothers you?

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Participates
6.1.6  epistte  replied to  Sunshine @6.1.5    8 years ago
What is it about the truth that bothers you?

What is it about immigrants that bother you? Or is it just the brown skinned ones that might not be members of your religion? 

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
6.1.9  Sunshine  replied to  epistte @6.1.6    8 years ago

Why do you call immigrants "brown skinned"?  

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Participates
6.1.10  epistte  replied to  Sunshine @6.1.9    8 years ago
Why do you call immigrants "brown skinned"?

It seems that conservatives have a problem with any immigrant that has more melanin in their skin than Wonder bread.

One of the sources who was briefed on the conversation said that Trump said, “Why do we want all these people from Africa here? They’re shithole countries … We should have more people from Norway.”

President Donald Trump on Thursday questioned why the United States would want to have immigrants from Haiti and African nations, referring to some as “shithole countries,” according to two sources familiar with the comments.

 
 
 
Silent_Hysteria
Freshman Silent
6.2  Silent_Hysteria  replied to  Sunshine @6    8 years ago

They ar Elton.  They have already been caught not reporting and changing reporting procedures to downplay the issue.  Example - they used to count every single crime someone committed in a situation.  IE rape, burglary, assault etc.  now they bundle as much as they can to count it as 1.

remember people were called crazy when they said the U.K. was hiding rapes of kids...  now we know it was the truth.  

Immigration on the level they have done is a Trojan horse... intentional.  Eventually a catalyst is going to trigger war in many of these countries.  My money is on someone nuking Mecca.  That will cause no go zones to spread int a base of operations for them

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Silent_Hysteria @6.2    8 years ago

Of course. Makes No Sense

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
6.2.2  Sunshine  replied to  Silent_Hysteria @6.2    8 years ago
remember people were called crazy when they said the U.K. was hiding rapes of kids...

sure do

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7  seeder  JohnRussell    8 years ago

Word is Trump saw someone on Fox and  Friends talk about the German crime situation in this negative way and of course Trump accepts it as gospel. How embarrassing to have the POTUS led around by the nose by a show that has just about the worst reputation among all the media for factual accuracy. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
7.1  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @7    8 years ago
Word

Did you get a briefing this morning?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sunshine @7.1    8 years ago

It's not that hard for people who follow such things to see a topic mentioned on Fox and Friends in the morning and then Trump is tweeting about it 20 minutes later. It has happened MANY times since he took office. 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
7.1.2  bugsy  replied to  Sunshine @7.1    8 years ago

Only by his handlers.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
8  MrFrost    8 years ago
Trump Lies About Germany

Not very shocking, he lies over 80% of the time. Only an idiot would believe anything that comes out of trumps mouth. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
8.1  Raven Wing   replied to  MrFrost @8    8 years ago
Not very shocking, he lies over 80% of the time

Only 80%? I don't think Trump would know what truth was if it smacked him in the face and stroked his fat butt. And if he did recognize it, he would claim it was 'Fake Truth'.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
9  MrFrost    8 years ago

We will not be lectured on immigration by a man who locks up children in cages.

Something trump could stop with an E.O. He signed E.O.'s for damn near everything else. But stopping kids from being separated from their parents? Naw.....better go golfing instead. 

 
 

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