‘It’s pretty lonely out here’: why John Kasich is willing to criticize Trump
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As one of the most prominent critics of Donald Trump within the Republican party, John Kasich, the governor of Ohio, admits: “It’s been pretty lonely out here.”
Though he does say he would like more company in a Republican party that still seems loath to ever break with the president, even as he endangers traditional alliances or cozies up to the Russian president, Vladimir Putin. “Not that I mind walking a lonely road, I’ve done it most of my career, but always would be good if you had more people who are willing to stand up and say that’s the wrong direction,” Kasich said.
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The iconoclastic governor leans back in a chair in his office on the 30th floor of a skyscraper overlooking Columbus, Ohio, and the sprawling suburbs beyond. The former Republican presidential candidate did not endorse Trump after losing the nomination to him and has been one of the few members of his party willing to consistently and frankly criticize the administration.
He didn’t see the benefit of being contrarian for its own sake, but as a point of political principle. “You don’t want to become a nihilist, you don’t want to be Ron Paul where nothing is ever good,” Kasich said. “But you don’t want to be a robot for the party.”
Speaking to the Guardian two days after Trump’s Helsinki summit with Putin, Kasich dismissed Trump’s attempt to clean up his already infamous press conference on Tuesday.
“To me it doesn’t explain away what happened,” Kasich said about Trump’s White House statement that he meant to say “wouldn’t” and not “would”. “That was just some short little thing, I just don’t know, I mean maybe he does not understand the consequence or totally disagrees with the vitalness of Nato or the EU.”
Kasich noted his longstanding willingness to speak out when he thought Trump erred. “I’m not a Johnny-come-lately to this.” In contrast, the Ohio governor pointed out “most of the, people have been upset with him, and then endorse him and then they get upset with him. I just have not operated that way,” Kasich, who wrote in John McCain for president in 2016, said.
“I did not feel public pressure to have to go and support somebody that I was not convinced was going to pull the country together,” he added.
A two-term governor of Ohio who ran for office by noting “I think I was in the Tea Party before there was a Tea Party”, Kasich is now more popular with Democrats than Republicans in the Buckeye state as he has made Ohio’s expansion of Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act a key part of his legacy. A former nine-term congressman, Kasich chaired the budget committee and made his name as a fiscal hawk unafraid to take anyone in his party, including George HW Bush, who didn’t share his zeal for balanced budgets.
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However, Kasich says he saw a country increasingly pulled apart by partisanship with two parties where politicians were increasingly marching in lockstep with their leadership and leaving little room for independent thinking as elected officials simply toed the party line and followed orders.
As Kasich put it: “And now if you’re Democrat, I can predict what you’re going to be. If you’re a Republican, I can predict what you’re going to be, and let’s not mingle the two.” As a result, he saw the United States moving “more and more towards a parliamentary system”, a feature he noted that was not what the founding fathers intended. After all, noted Kasich, “if they wanted that they would have copied the British system”.
Kasich did see some practical solutions to curb this trend, pointing to Ohio’s recently passed redistricting reforms to curb gerrymandering by requiring both parties to have input in future congressional maps. “I like that,” said Kasich, “because as districts become less gerrymandered and more balanced then you can’t just pay attention to your base, you can win a primary and lose a general. Right now it’s just about the primary baby in both parties.”
Kasich’s desire for independent thinking was expressed in his reluctance to support the Republican running in his old congressional seat in highly contested special election. In a looming 7 August contest between Danny O’Connor, a Democrat, and Troy Balderson, a Republican, Kasich was not yet ready to fully commit to support the Republican candidate.
“I like Troy a lot as a person,” said Kasich. “He helped me to get elected but I’m looking for some independence in a Republican. The other day I read positively that he disagreed both with the trade policies and the family separation policies [of the Trump administration] at the border.”
Kasich said: “That was encouraging to me that he said those things because I would be inclined to be for him [and] probably will be once I can make sure that I am going to see some independence.” Kasich noted his concern about Balderson stemmed from an interview where the congressional candidates couldn’t name any specific disagreements that he had with Trump. However, the Ohio governor said Balderson had “now pointed some out, so we’ll see”.
Yet his concerns about politics moving to the extremes weren’t just limited to Kasich’s own party. In looking towards the midterm elections, he noted the question of whether the current “level of enthusiasm among Democrats is because they have a better way or because they are anti-something. I don’t see they have much of a better way,” said Kasich. Speaking of the current push on the left of the Democratic party to abolish Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice), he sputtered in seeming disbelief: “I mean abolishing Ice, open borders for our country? That’s ridiculous.”
In his view, this was the same pattern happening on the right and the left.
“Both parties are moving further and further away from each other,” said Kasich, who wondered: “What does that mean about the middle?” The Ohio Republican argued we did not know what that means. “How big is that middle? When push comes to shove is there a big middle or is there not? I don’t know. But there will be a middle.”
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It’s easy to see why he did so poorly in his Presidential bid. I never really considered him to be a serious contender right from the get go. He can’t be counted on to take a firm stand against the leftists. He’s out of touch with people on the grassroots level of his party as he looks out of his 30th floor window.
How exactly are those nasty leftists a problem for you?
They are almost always on the opposite side of every issue from my own views. I see things almost exactly the same as Ron Paul did.
Do you know anything about Ron Paul?
Yes I worked on both his 2008 and 2012 campaigns.
Libertarians want simple solutions to complex problems and are somehow convinced that wealth is a right. Ron Paul also has a history of racism.
Ron Paul was unable to get his license from a statewide organization, so, using his pappy's money he set up his own organization with a board of directors whose sole purpose was to get him the certification he sought.
I, too, like Rand Paul's curly hair, but, I would never VOTE for him. Hell, we have a BIGGER CON ARTIST in the Whitehouse now. Why should be a downgrade to Rand Paul?
OUR TASK IN less than 107 days, VOTE BLUE - KICK EVERY DAY REPUBLICAN out of office.
That explains a lot. Ron Paul opposes things like the Equal protection clause, the CRA and the VRA, and the Incorporation Doctrine regarding the 14th Amendment. He's a bigoted neoconfederate and a theocrat.
There is no LEFTIST to take a firm stand against. The PROBLEM is right wing, self-righteous Evil-genital Conservative Republicans that support Trump and all things Republican because their self-proclaimed preacher man tells them to, and like the JIM JONES CULT they are as brainwashed as those EVANGELICAL were.
Here is where YOUR RIGHT-WING REPUBLICAN PARTY is taking folks, to a field after fields of dead slaughter babies, bodies killed by their FAKE CHRISTIAN LEADERS.
Lankshark, this is not a chess game, or, a polite political discussion to be resolved over a few college debates and beers.
Everyone in America with an IQ above 60 should be outraged about what has happened and is happening to our country.
This is an invasion orchestrated by America's First FAKE PRESIDENT as payback to Putin who bailed him out in the late 80's with an infusion of $1 Billion dollars to the Trump Organization. That is why Trump refuses to show his taxes. He is a crook, not a businessman. Mueller has the evidence, but, only Congress can impeach this selfish monster, who has no qualms about selling it to Putin.
Trump sold six Condos to the Russian Mob, he was charged with money laundering. "The Reality TV Star", fake Business Tycoon has opened the Oval office to Russia's top spyKislyack, and, his minion of top Russian diplomats, while denying access to the American press.
Trump, Tillerson, Ross, Nunes, McConnell, and, many, many others in Congress have financial ties to Russia. All of them are up to their eyeballs in GREED and "aiding and abating" our enemies. Several key people in the Trump Administration are actively using their office to cover up the Greatest Espionage Crime in the History of America for their own personal greed.
We have less than 108 days to CUT TRUMP'S LEGS off! To pull the plug out from under his power source within the Government; Republicans in Congress.
We can do that by KICKING EVERY DAMN REPUBLICAN OUT OF PUBLIC OFFICE on November 6th.
The task is not Robert Mueller's alone, or, Democrats, nor, the media, or, a coalition of bipartisan politicians.
We, as voters, Fathers, grandfathers, citizens, ex-soldiers all have a RESPONSIBILITY to take this invasion seriously and not allow that Fat, Orange Baboon, Trump, and, the Republican cowards in Congress to deal away our way of life for their personal greed and unrelenting lust for power.
Does not our love of country, our HISTORY, our families demand that every damn, red-bloodied American put down the TV changer, turn off Fox TV Controlled Propaganda, get mad, get involved and do every damn thing we can to save our country? Are we a nation of cowards, easily manipulated airheads to stupid to understand what is happening in front of our own eye. Are we so brainwashed by Trump's bull shit that we reject our own Intelligence committee, the press, the media, the world leadership and side with Trump and Fox TV Fake News over our own best interests?
I can assure you that the Koch Brothers, the National Rifle Association, the co-op and injured Republican Party, every damn Republican crook in Congress, Russia, China and all top Republican donors making trillions from deregulation, from relaxed EPA regulations are pouring billions into stopping the people of this nation from having a hand in it decision making.
This is our challenge! This is our WWII. This is our Pearl Harbor, our 9/11. People must choose aside.
If you are not, they, you are part of the problem, my friend!
Dean:
about the people who were responsible to MAKE THIS COUNTRY GREAT and take it BACK from RACISTS!
Calling someone a "Leftist", by a term burr-headed, right-wing Republicans that supported segregation, lynching, gerrymandering, voter suppressions and every damn policy they could dream up to return America to the pre-Civil War era, is a CHEAP SHOT!
It is childish, slanderous, and extremely disingenuous.
Hill Billies with limited education and fire in their bellies have been trying to put their backwoods primitive, Born Upside Down Evangelical, Talking-In-Tongue FAKE CHRISTIANITY into the public domain as a STATE RELIGION since the founding of this country.
Organized attempts by Jimmy Bakker, Jim Jone, Pat Robertson and others have been injecting their RELIGIOUS PLATFORM into our public schools, public buildings, etc in violation of The Constitution's provision of Separation of Church and states. This is a Christian platform, Jesus was not a patriotic extremist.
This misguided effort is simply the life work of uneducated, bigots at the highest level.
These are the same religious folks that will beat people over the head with their bible, and, threaten to shoot them if they do not convert to their BRAND of Christianity.
I am 76.7 and all of my political life I have been called a "LEFTIST" by ignorant Southern riffraff, who never fought one day in arms for their county.
I was maligned, attacked, beaten because I supported JFK, Civil Rights legislation, gay rights, cried when John Birchers murdered, Bobbie Kenney, cheered when Martin Luther King was assassinated and Malcolm X, and God knows, who else.
These southern baked throwbacks stand on their rarely opened bibles quoting the old testament justifying slavery, racism, stoning, and a woman place.
I served in the Vietnam Conflict, I take it you did not. When I returned in 1966, I opposed it as "unjust and unwinnable." A mess that we needed to get out of, and, a travesty. 50,000 America troop where killed, 4 MILLION Vietnamese died defending their country. America was on the wrong side of history.
For decades, despite owning two businesses, have been derisively called "LEFTEST", particularly in the South and Southwest all of my adult life. Right Wing Conservative think it is synonymous with COMMUNISTS! It is not, but, like the old joke, "you can't fix stupid", I, as usual, do not try. However, because, we are not at a very critical stage in our country evolution, and, due to my approaching EXPIRATION DATE, I am speaking about.
The irony of those who use that term as a single to the "Corn Hole Generation of Near Retards" is that it is the Republican Party that is in partnership with the RUSSIANS, not anyone you would denigrate as a "Leftist."
Trump took $1 BILLION FROM RUSSIA.
Trump has received in the last year, a 500 MILLION DOLLAR loan from COMMUNIST CHINA.
The NRA (The National Rifle Association) received $45 million from a Russian owned American firms with ties to RUSSIA.
Trump's wife, her mother, and father are all COMMUNISTS raised and educated under a communist count; they are LIVING IN THE WHITEHOUSE.
Steve Bannon, Trump's Senior Advisor, is a self-admitted Leninist.
Carter Page, Trump's campaign advisor on Foreign Affairs, speaks Russian, give lectures in Russia and is under investigation as a long-time co-opted turncoat for Russia.
Paul Manafort has been doing business with Communist countries for 12 years. He is currently under several investigations. Manafort served as Trump's campaign manager and was the architect who got the REPUBLICAN PARTY to pull the plank out of their platform opposing Russia invasion of Ukraine. Russia was responsible for the killing of over 10,000 of Ukraine's citizens and the annexation of the Crimea Oil field worth TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
Manafort, at Putin direction, received over $12 MILLION to undermine the democratic president of Ukraine by organizing a FAKE NEWS ELECTION SMEAR campaign, very similar to what he did for Trump.
The pro-Putin unpopular president won the contested contest by using the strategies of not the LEFIST, but, the brutal right-wing tactic that included the murder of Journalists.
IT IS TIME TO PUT YOUR "Childish thing away". Time to awaken that at some time, one must outgrow their backwood education garnered from angry people who resent the future.
STOP disparaging people by calling them "leftist" , when you do not know them, or, understand anything
Are these the people you call "patriots"?
You've got fire in your belly and I like it, a lot, but don't hold back. We can take it...
John Kasich likes to portray himself as a moderate Republican but he hasn't been a moderate in Ohio. We are behind the average in jobs. He has raised taxes on everyone but the rich, His education policies are almost as bad as Trump and he is gutting the EPA. He has ignored the opioid crisis that is gripping the state. I can't think of much positive that he has done.
Good feedback. I would have assumed he had shifted to become more moderate then he apparently is. In any event he would still have been more qualified and less embarrassing then Mr. Trump.
I'd guess that's kinda what he's doing.
If the Tea Party / Trump gets hammered in 2018 / 2020, the GOP will move toward the center, and Kasich will be waiting there.
He may be more qualified than Trump but that is a back-handed compliment. He is a staunch neo-conservative who bows to failed TEAparty economics. He doesn't tend to support their idiotic social/religious policies, except during election years when he must pander to them. Kasich is a lot like Paul Ryan.
Right on!! And agreed!
Do you know anything about Kasich. He was not re-elected to Congress. When his term ended he went immediately to NY to get on the board of directors of the very industry that he served on in Congress to regulate it. They paid him millions to show them away around the laws.
Since John is a right-wing, Catholic whose
only campaign issue is to beat up pregnant women, he was gobbled up my FOX TV NETWORK NEWS, as they did with Dick Morris, the political analyst who was fired for paying prostitutes with campaign money by CHECKS.
And, of course, fired reached out to NEWT GINGRICH, because he was the ONLY SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE in the history of America to be CENSURE by his peer for violations of the Ethics Laws. But, the real reason they grabbed him up was because of Newt role in spearheading the IMPEACHMENT ATTEMPT by Republicans of Bill Clinton who they charge was getting fellatio from Monica Lewinsky in the Oval Office anteroom of the Whitehouse.
At the time, Newt later admitted that he was having an affair with his lover, who is now his 3rd Christian wife, and that ironically she was doing to him on the House floor what Monica was doing to Bill Clinton.
VOTE BLUE! Kick every damn Republican out of Office at the Midterm Erection in less than 108 days, unless you SPEAK RUSSIAN, then vote for RED NECKS dumb enough to think PUTIN is their friend.
Come on folks, at some point, one must pull one's head out of one's rectum. Otherwise, one will grow up thinking that is how the air should smell.
Several things:
Your first sentence should have a question mark.
I know very little about Kasich. He doesn't interest me, except as a potential replacement for Trump.
When you include an image, you probably want to give it a bit of margin, so your text doesn't touch it. (Right click, "advanced" tab.)
As for pulling one's head out... you might want to take your own advice.
Raven, the issue is now: GUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY that is protecting Trump and is up to it eyeballs in corruption.
Trump's Replacement is a CELL for treason, and all of the corrupt Republicans that have obstructed justice to protect this LIFETIME, CARE CRIMINAL and proven Russian puppet are going to the slammer with him.
Thanks, I will try that. It works!
Agreed!
At least when he speaks, he comes off as a decent human being.
Maybe to you he does. I can sense his BS for 3 miles away. He makes my skin crawl.
Whatever. If you can't see the difference between Trump and the way Kasich handles himself, I can't help you.
Kasich can say whatever he wants to and attempt to act reasonable, but in the end, John Kasich is just another conservative scumbag who is indebted to corporations and political donors instead of the best interests of the people.
I agree that there's a big difference in style. I wonder if there's as much difference in substance.
I think Kasich is probably better educated on most issues a president would face. He's also more likely to actually listen to people who might know better. One thing is for sure, that he's far less likely to embarrass the country just by being rude or uncouth. Basically, we've been hearing for a couple years that Republicans should be trying to put a decent human being in the White House instead of a crass boor. Kasich would be an opportunity to do just that.
If that's suddenly not good enough, then I have to question how much people really care about all the things Trump does and says.
I'm also a big fan of governors for president because they have experience in virtually everything a president has to deal with except foreign policy. For me, it's practically a prerequisite for the job.
I don't know why anyone would care about what John Kasich thinks or says. He's as big a political joke as "What is Aleppo?" Gary Johnson.
Then... why are you posting here?
Because as a NT member I can, Bob ... just as you've posted on my seeds.
So... Do you have anything significant to say, or are you just wasting everyone's time?
I've already posted my opinion (please refer to comment 4 ). Since that comment, you've made two veiled personal attacks.
No personal attacks. Just doubt about the significance of your post.
But if you just want to fill space, that's ok with me.
Bob Nelson, I think that folks are posting here, to enlighten those who do not seem to know that THE RUSSIAN ARE NOT COMING! They are here, and Republicans are coming up for them, while the biggest Crook in the History of America is inviting them into the Whitehouse,
The choice is simple: VOTE BLUE or learn to speak Russian.
John Kaish is a smaller time crook than Trump. VOTE BLUE, or, do not vote at all.
And who are YOU to tell someone to vote the way YOU want them to , or not vote at all?
I think the consensus reply you will get for that statement is a resounding
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delete the whole thing then SP, not just the good part about the cactus and where it can be inserted.
VOTE BLUE, or, do not vote at all.
(heheheheheheh)
That can be taken any number of ways .
as a challenge
as a form of denigration ( saying your to stupid to vote unless you vote my way)
as a form of intimidation
as a form of election rigging , coercion, even a direct threat to some.
I choose to take it as simply opinionated pigeon poo, easily ignored and cleaned with a pressure washer and some good bleach.
I can also see someone being told this responding for the individual saying it to preform a solo sexual act of fornication on themselves , since it is the individuals choice how they will vote irregardless of what another thinks , and that would most likely be the most common response only differences would be some added descriptors, such as little to no lubrication , or maybe the addition of a desert flora growth of a spiney variety.
and some will simply just shake their head and laugh and do as they choose for their own reasons ignoring the statement completely.
that doesn't mean the person doesn't have the right to say it , they do , but they don't have the right to make anyone agree , listen or even do as they say . it also doesn't mean they cant be poked fun at either......
The funny thing is if John "I Can Win Ohio" Kasich had dropped out early he wouldn't have siphoned votes from Rubio and Cruz. And if Rubio had dropped out when it became completely obvious he would lose Florida then Cruz might have won the nomination. Kasichs own selfish actions actually helped Trump.
Not nearly as much as Putin.
and Hillary and the DNC helped Trump more than Putin ever could have IMHO. Keep in mind I didn't vote for either of them....though I did vote .
Then why do you shill so fervently for The Scumbag of Mar-a-Lago and his collusion, lying and empowering of a bloody criminal like Putin. Did you vote for Putin?
Putin helped rig the GOP primary so Trump could be nominated? He must be a regular Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Russian style.
Can you show where I have ever shilled for the POTUS? Hint , you wont find it here on NT, If anything you find my own opinion.
as for Putin , I can say I don't trust him as far as I can hold back the tide with a teaspoon.
Was Putin on the ballot? I did vote for someone that WAS on the ballot , but knew it was basically a throw away vote , kinda like writing in Mickey mouse , Donald duck or Goofy, all of which would have been better than the last 3 occupants of the WH. but unlike a write in that is disregarded , the named person on the ballot actually counted.
We were likeminded...candidate on ballot, but certainly a throw away in TN! My conscience is clear...Trump was the moron, Clinton was the overconfident witch.
Yes. And 30+ years of slander, lies, accusations and more lies assured she was, "An over confident witch." Propaganda works.
how about actual witnessed behavior ? or doesn't that count? i am old enough to remember back to the 70s even if i wasn't old enough to vote .
get over it , it WASNT her turn , only thing she is is a 2 time looser in the race for the presidency , and one of those times , well like i said , her turn it wasn't.
What? Actual witnessed behavior? She was a 'cock grabber'?
Turn? Had no idea there was a pecking order?
(Cackling like a mnt lake loon because i cant resist) Big sarc tag to this.....
Well with the rumor , slander and lies , i would have thought you would have used the "Timex" analogy, you know took a lickin and kept on tickin…...
What ever. We have Trump. Playmates, Porn Models and Putin. There it is. There you have it. Done and done.
Have no idea what you're talking about or what you're defending.
I am reminded of the line from good morning Vietnam ( may Adrian rest in peace, he passed recently) about Nixon , that he had a train load of shit behind him long enough to fertilize the Israeli desert. (paraphrasing)
well both candidates that made to the ballot for the general for president both had trains of shit they both were hauling , the voters decided which trainload of shit was more palatable , giving their EC votes to that candidate. In that situation , someone lost.
Gee, I hadn't thought of that possibility too. Of course, why wouldn't he have done? It had to be Trump all the way. Putin didn't have anything (that we know of) on any other Republican candidate.
When I was in Vietnam, the "Good Morning Vietnam" was over. We still had 'our Army DJ's' though.
Why are you arguing in favor of Ted Cruz? Do you like that hypocrite?
I'm not in favor of Cruz. I'm just pointing out that if Kasich and Rubio had dropped out early Cruz might have won the nomination. No idea how he might've done in the general.
Here's an idea Rmando. Hillary Clinton was a poison pill on the general election ballot. ANYBODY who ran against her was going to win. Nobody, Republican or Democrat, recognized it at the time, but that's the way it worked out; not because of anything Trump did or even anything Putin did, but because she was Hillary Clinton, widely regarded as the most despicable excuse for a human being ever.
I actually kind of liked Kasich at the beginning of the primary season. His reaction to losing the nomination took care of that. He showed himself as just another slimy professional politician, willing to stab anybody in the back to advance himself.
Isn't that really what Trump was? He lost the popular vote and only was able to "win" the presidency by colluding with a hostile foreign government. Even Trump the traitor expected Trump to lose.
he might have lost the popular vote , but he did win enough votes to get the delegates for the EC to win the presidency which is how the constitution mandates the presidency is decided , like it or not was he a poison pill? was he a long shot that thought he would lose ? i would say yes to both of those things .
What i took away from the 16 election was a party colluded with a candidate to assure them of the nomination against another candidate running in the party, even though the candidate that got the nomination was in my estimation , the least liked candidate in my voting lifetime , bar none, not even Dukakis was that disliked.
I also took away don't believe everything the MSM polls say because the voters have a funny way of making them liars at the last minute.
That's another thing about Hillary Clinton. In addition to being the most disgusting person to ever walk the Earth, she's also not smart enough to know how Presidents are elected in this country. Spend less time in California, where you were going to win anyway and more time in Michigan, where you really needed to win in order to win the Electoral College, winning which is the only thing that matters in a Presidential election. She'd have flunked my American Government class if she didn't know more than that about how Presidents are elected.
Not that it would have helped her to have come to Michigan; we were pretty much fed up with her corrupt slimy ass 20 years ago.
Mark,
Dukakus wasn't really disliked all that much. He was just considered too dumb to pound sand.
Still waiting for that collusion proof....
What would make someone say something like that?
Hillary Clinton is a standard issue traditional politician.
The political right is utterly deranged and comments like the one I quoted is the proof of it.
At least Putin got what he wanted from the 2016 election. He hates and fears Clinton far more than any wingnut in the US does.
a. k. a.--Corrupt Slimeball She was worse than the rest of them, though. At least most professional politicians (corrupt slimeballs) accept their position on the decency scale as being about three steps below a pimp.
I too await.
That may be true, and if it is, it is a monstrous tribute to the Big Lie.
No one has ever been so carefully scrutinized as Hillary Clinton, and the scrutiny has been constant for four decades. Scrutiny by law enforcement and under-the-microscope scrutiny from the media.
And all that scrutiny discovered... nothing.
But her enemies didn't care inf nothing was found. They Big Lied about her, accusing her of... whatever. Accusing. Accusing. Accusing. Accusing. Accusing. Accusing. Accusing. Accusing.
And eventually, a large portion of the population supposed that there's no smoke without a fire.
The term "swiftboating" was invented for the John Kerry case, where an authentic war hero's deeds were not only denied, but inverted to accuse the man of cowardice.
But Hillary is the best/worst case of swiftboating. Forty years of smears were needed to take her down.
Those weren't smears against Hillary. She DID break the law with her emails. The Clintons DID commit perjury during the Lewinsky. It was forty years of bad behavior along with some of the worst campaigning of all time that cost her the election.
Bob , I had to chuckle when I read your eulogy of dame Hillary, if anything 40 + years of both questionable behavior and actions were enough for most to call her bonifidees into question , translate that into being worthy to be voted for.
I think the things that REALLY sunk her , and you will see some parallels to French history here. Was her campaign style or lack there of , IMHO she ran the laziest and smallest campaign I have seen, it was like she was playing chess and trying to win in the least amount of moves , the nail in the coffin , was of course the deplorables remark, if the voters didn't support her but went to her opponent/s , they were not American nor worthy to vote and were the scum of the nation. That is usually how dictatorial royalty acts and talks about its citizenry, see the comparison to French history ? even the peasantry gets tired of abusive royalty that sees nothing wrong in their own actions and words.
I think the best description of Hillary her campaign and her loss came from an old cowhand at the bar, I will warn people now I will not varnish or censor what was said by the ole coot may he live to be 100.
"Hillary approached the race like she was certain she had a win over a disadvantaged opponent , She expected to be handed the scepter and mantle of the presidency by default but failed to do the work, she expected to , she Expected to be the one that would walk out like a bulldydke god , with the citizenry in awe and fear of her massive omnipotent powers and qweefs , nothing could stand before HER. because it was her time , but she forgot the people don't like royalty , nor do they take being maligned kindly for differences of opinion."
So bob you can claim she was swift boated , if she was she did it to herself and it took her 40+ years and her political career in the dustbin of history for it to happen . she has no one to blame , but herself , which she has yet to do.
Not to worry. Your patience will be rewarded.
I was never a Hillary fan. I don't see that she ever actually accomplished much. So when I cite her having been smeared to extinction, my complaint is not on her behalf.
I am disturbed by the capacity of some political organizations to destroy their opponents by unending attacks, independent of any truth in those attacks.
Pelosi is in a very similar situation.
There's a clear pattern: destroy your opponents. Don't debate them; destroy them.
That's not healthy for the nation.
Never charged with anything.
Hillary did not testify in the Lewinsky affair.
Thank you for this demonstration of exactly the kind of unsupported attack that I described.
Never charged with anything? Well, isn't that convienent. Trump hasn't been charged with anything and likely won't be. Neither was George Bush, so I guess we can stop blaming him for war crimes.
You seem to have forgotten what Bill and Hillary said back in 1992- they are two for the price of one and "co presidents". His crimes are her crimes.
He would have won and it wouldn't have been as close as it was. I believe that's true for pretty much anyone the Republicans had nominated.
Kasich says, "It's lonely out here." ? ?
It oughta be. All he's done in here in Ohio is tax cuts, force more economic burden on the cities, more tax cuts, raising government fees, cut funding to The Parks, attack Planned Parenthood and a lot more.. Yeah, Kasich is 'real go getter.'
He portrays himself as "Mr. reasonable nice guy." He's neither reasonable or nice.
You forgot his billion dollar charter school fiasco, his JobsOhio political slush fund that nobody can account for, his attacks on the EPA and his refusal to deal with th opioid crisis. He rasied taxes on everyone but the rich and then took money away from the counties and cities to pay for it while he blamed the county and city shortfall on everyone but himself.
Ohio is behind average on job creation.