When will Democrats condemn the left’s growing turn to violence?
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Last week, a man was indicted for threatening to kill Republican Rep. Diane Black. “They were serious enough threats that the grand jury did take action,” Black said in an interview with Fox News.
It’s been barely a year since the shooting of House Majority Whip Steve Scalise during congressional baseball practice, and the story of the threats to Black was barely a blip in our news.
The shooting last June should have been a wake-up call for our political discourse, but we’ve only been on a further slide since then.
This month, Black’s fellow GOP congressman Jason Lewis says his daughters were threatened. A man threatened to chop up Sen. Rand Paul’s family with an ax.
Another was arrested outside the campaign office of Rep. Lee Zeldin for threatening to kill supporters of President Trump. And the Nebraska GOP office had bricks thrown through its windows and graffiti painted on its wall.
Last week, a guy was beaten up in Oakland after a crowd thought he was a member of the Proud Boys, a right-wing pro-Trump men’s rights group.
In September, I wrote about the perils of Nazi-punching , and how the online glee about a white supremacist being punched was misplaced and dangerous. One of my concerns was that the violence being cheered wouldn’t end with Nazis. It didn’t.
A telling incident took place this month when a group of Proud Boys wearing MAGA hats got into a fight at an LA bar. This LA Times quote from Josh Androsky , who led the fight against the Boys, is a stunner: “The Proud Boys say they’re not Nazis, and duh, they’re not from 1945, they’re not 100 years old. But in America, there’s a fun little thing, which is a catch-all term for right-wing racist hate groups, and it’s Nazi.”
He added: “The First Amendment protects the right to peaceably assemble. There’s no such thing as a peaceable assembly of Nazis. Just by virtue of their ideology, they are causing harm.”
Absurd. Even actual 100-year-old Nazis are protected by the First Amendment. Where are the prominent liberals to tell their supporters that, no, they can’t actually punch anyone they disagree with?
Before the election, there was a lot of concern that Donald Trump would lose and his supporters would take to the streets. Quartz magazine quoted Trump supporters who threatened “revolution” if he lost. An LA Times op-ed by Doyle McManus found Trump fans saying there’d be a “civil war.”
Since the election, there have been similar pieces about what Trump supporters would do if he were to get impeached or if he lost in 2020.
But there’s been very little exploration of the continuing violent outbursts by people unhappy that Donald Trump is president. The inevitable march from confronting cabinet members in restaurants to confronting ordinary supporters of the president continues apace.
Where is the Democratic leadership? What would their response be if the party ID were reversed? And why isn’t the media hounding them for answers?
Even during the election, Republican leadership spoke out against Trump encouraging violence at his rallies. In March 2016, both Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio issued statements. Cruz was still in the race, so his shot could be seen as a political move on a competitor, but Rubio was out and pledging to support any eventual GOP nominee. Rep. Paul Ryan and Sen. Mitch McConnell both also made comments about the violence, with McConnell noting that he had spoken to Trump about it.
It’s Dems’ turn.
In June, Maxine Waters famously said, “If you see anybody from [the Trump] Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station — you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. Tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere!” Her comments were greeted with appropriate outrage.
People — yes, even those who work in the Trump White House — should be allowed to pump gas or shop without having a crowd “push back on them.”
Waters responded to the criticism spurred by her comments by pointing out that Trump himself has called for violence on various occasions. “He started it” is never an excuse, and it won’t bring a lick of comfort to the family of the victim when someone inevitably dies from the escalation. Democrats need to step up and stop this before it’s too late.
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Violence is coming
I could post just as many or more examples of right wing violence and threats.
No you can't. You could post some anecdotal evidence (some was staged), but not even close to what "antifa" and "BLM" have done by themselves - the two greatest threats to peace in America!
I have always condemned any violence whether it's coming from the alt-right or the left. Whether you're a white supremacist Trump supporter waving your confederate flag or an antifa member shouting down the marching neo-Nazi's, no one should resort to violence or vandalism. So when will Republicans truly denounce the murderers among them? When will they accept that they are harboring white supremacists and violent neo Nazis?
"In January 2018 Samuel Woodward was charged in Orange County, California with killing Blaze Bernstein , an openly gay Jewish college student who went missing earlier in the month while visiting his family. Woodward is an avowed neo-Nazi and a member of the group who had attended Atomwaffen Division events and training camps."
What nearly all of them have in common?
Ideology:
When will Republicans condemn the rights growing turn to violence? When will they speak up and denounce such hateful bigots instead of welcoming them in as fellow Trump supporters? Out of all those who attended the Charlottesville protest, only one committed murder and it was someone from the right ramming his car into the crowd.
You are proof of what the left does. With all the violence coming from the left, starting with a President who coddled those who encouraged the murder of police officers, you go right out and look up violence by the right. Thanks for the mundane trivia
Please give us a list of murders by leftists.
That's a groundless opinion I do not share and you have no actual evidence of. President Obama did not "coddled" any murderers, he said Trayvon looked like he could be his son if he had one, big deal. Trayvon was armed with a bag of skittles and had his life snuffed out by a bigoted vigilante looking for a fight. The left does NOT encourage any violence towards the police, and only a small faction encourage any sort of vandalism and violence against avowed Nazi's and other fascists and white supremacists. But the real question is, why are you so concerned about those few antifa who threw a few punches instead of being outraged that there are still Neo-Nazi's marching in unison with confederate flag waving Trump supporters and other white supremacists? They consider themselves part of your group, part of Trumps base, why do condemnation and rejection of their bigoted ideology and hate? Why the knee jerk reaction of support Trumps claims that there were "good people on both sides"?
It's not groundless, it's well taken. Obama invited BLM to the White House in July 2016, giving them credibility. He also gave a knee jerk reaction to every racial incident to make the front pages. Talk about being un-presidential!
But the real question is, why are you so concerned about those few antifa who threw a few punches instead of being outraged that there are still Neo-Nazi's marching in unison with confederate flag waving Trump supporters and other white supremacists?
Did you really count the punches? I think you have a problem with proportions. It's Antifa which is large & mobilized not the remnants of the KKK. Don't associate them with Trump. BE HONEST. It's Antifa that is the clear and present danger.
They consider themselves part of your group, part of Trumps base, why do condemnation and rejection of their bigoted ideology and hate?
Yup, just like Louis Farrakhan supported Obama. Obama claimed you can't choose who supports you, but here he is doing something Trump didn't:
Why the knee jerk reaction of support Trumps claims that there were "good people on both sides "?
That was an open comment. Do you remember what the Charlottesville incident was initially about? It was about removing statues. Some were offended by Confederate statues, while others (maybe had ancestors who fought for the south) wanted then to stay. THAT is what I believe the President was referring to when he said there were good people on both sides. The liberal media, of course interpreted it to mean he thought both Antifa & the Klan were good people. And they get away with it!
And David Duke supported Trump. So?
One was in the middle of a violent confrontation between extremist groups and the other was simply playing baseball. There's the difference
One dead, the other not.
Why didn't you show a dead victim? oh, wait... there aren't any...
Would you like to see more dead victims of right-wing violence? How many?
One went out to protest what was obviously a violent confrontation by extremists. The other simply playing Baseball. One dead and the other could easily have been dead.You can't seem to fathom the difference. So you're not concerned with violence or the level of harassment & intimidation coming from the vile left.
Your position is it has to be death.
Very well - I'll easily out match you starting with all the cops murdered via that BLM lie about "hands up", which was further encouraged by Obama, who has blood on his hands!
Why are you, along with all the other bullet-point loyalists, working so hard to gin up nonexistent left-wing violence?
Where are you going?
Are you preparing for "preventive strikes" against your adversaries? Are you justifying "militia" violence that you know is coming?
That's how the SA got started...
Haha
Does anyone else sense that the far far far righties are just itching for an excuse to instigate more violence?
The implied threat seems to be, "Get in line behind Trump or we are going to come out shooting". Oh, My...
It seems the far far far right has been pushed to the breaking point. Sadly, it is they who brought us here...
No, Virginia, American is not about to blow up in violence. Saner minds will prevail. Trumpism is a FAILURE!
Also, despite the outrageous hyperbolic rhetoric used by righties, it is righties holding guns to all our heads.
From where? While all the lefties like Waters tells people to go out and harass people
Sadly, it is they who brought us here...
No that was your leader who helped get a lot of cops killed
Trumpism is a FAILURE!
You wish! He's got the economy going so good the dems wont win the House in November, that's how good he's been! Dosen't it just gall ya?
Here you go, Vic . By the way, when Trump told that fella to go ahead and bust the protester's head open and swore he'd pay his legal fees, Trump lied. He didn't and then denied he even said it although it was on tape.
Gosh. Are you as surprised as I am that Trump lied? Yeah ... I was been facetious.
They like Trump because he "hassles" liberals. That is how childish some of these people are. He is a hero to them because he attacks Rosie O'Donnell and Maxine Waters. His criminality is of no matter.
When Trump is thrown on the trash heap of history I hope the wailing and weeping can be held to a minimum so as not to interfere with the celebrations.
Would you say that that is on a AR with coming to come in under sniper fire or stating that marriage is between one man and one woman .
The ridiculousness of this is getting too much attention given the fact that Trump has called for violence at his rallies since the onset. I'm out. No one should respond to this absurdity.