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Trump just made 2 problematic admissions about the Trump Tower meeting by Aaron Blake

  

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Via:  galen-marvin-ross  •  6 years ago  •  48 comments

Trump just made 2 problematic admissions about the Trump Tower meeting by  Aaron Blake

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President Trump has yet again tweeted about his personal legal issues in a way he perhaps shouldn't have.
The Washington Post reported Saturday that Trump had expressed concerns in the past week about his son Donald Trump Jr.'s legal exposure from the 2016 Trump Tower meeting. In a tweet about that report on Sunday, Trump said, “This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics - and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!”

Two issues.

The first is that Trump appears to have broken some new ground here when it comes to admitting the true purpose of the Trump Tower meeting with a Kremlin-aligned lawyer — and even further contradicted the initial statement he helped draft about it. At the time, Donald Trump Jr. issued a statement explaining that he and the lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, had “ primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children .” We have since discovered that the elder Trump actually dictated that statement .

The first is that Trump appears to have broken some new ground here when it comes to admitting the true purpose of the Trump Tower meeting with a Kremlin-aligned lawyer — and even further contradicted the initial statement he helped draft about it. At the time, Donald Trump Jr. issued a statement explaining that he and the lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, had “ primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children .” We have since discovered that the elder Trump actually dictated that statement .
Quickly, though, that explanation fell apart , and we learned that Trump Jr. had actually been promised harmful information about Democrats, including Hillary Clinton. The president himself seemed to shrug it off, saying in July 2017 that, “ from a practical standpoint, most people would have taken that meeting .” He added: “It’s called opposition research or even research into your opponent.” (Trump also tweeted along these lines .) But at the same time, he still suggested that the meeting was, in large part, about adoption.
Sunday's tweet appears to acknowledge more explicitly than before that the meeting was indeed predicated on opposition research: “This was a meeting to get information on an opponent.” The initial denial — which, again, Trump himself dictated — is pretty irreconcilable with that. (You could perhaps argue that adoption was mostly discussed, even if the meeting was set up to discuss oppo research, but that's a stretch.)
If you're Robert Mueller and you're looking at whether Trump obstructed justice, you've now got even more evidence of a clear attempt to mislead the public and obscure the truth. Trump's July 2017 comments came before we knew he was involved in drafting that initial misleading response, and they don't so precisely say the meeting was intended to get oppo; now there is really no disputing that point if you're Trump's lawyer. (It's a little like Trump's Lester Holt interview, in which he said Russia was on his mind when he fired James Comey. That may not be the same, legally speaking, as him saying he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation.)
The second issue here are the final words of the tweet. “I did not know about it!” This is something Trump has said regularly about the Trump Tower meeting and something he has re-upped now that Michael Cohen is reportedly telling people that Trump did know about it .
But here's the thing: This is a tweet about how the Trump Tower meeting was totally fine — nothing illegal to see here. If you've got no real concern about legal exposure from the meeting, why distance yourself from it? Trump seems to be arguing against his own point by assuring us that he had nothing to do with this meeting, which — oh, by the way — was totally on the up-and-up. Trump might as well have just confirmed The Post's report that he is worried about what the meeting portends for his son.
Is this tweet, in and of itself, damning? Probably not. But obstruction-of-justice cases are about proving that someone had “ corrupt intent ” when they took the actions they did. And for the second time in less than a week , Trump tweeted something that suggested his intent wasn't terribly wholesome. He also suggested that he isn't as convinced as he'd like us to believe that there's nothing to see here.


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Galen Marvin Ross
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1  seeder  Galen Marvin Ross    6 years ago

Ok, so, this is were I have been telling folks on here that Trump and his campaign have broken the law and, here is the law that was broken.

§ 30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(b) “Foreign national” defined
As used in this section, the term “foreign national” means—
(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term “foreign national” shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or
(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.
(Pub. L. 92–225, title III, § 319, formerly § 324, as added Pub. L. 94–283, title I, § 112(2), May 11, 1976, 90 Stat. 493; renumbered § 319, Pub. L. 96–187, title I, § 105(5), Jan. 8, 1980, 93 Stat. 1354; amended Pub. L. 107–155, title III, §§ 303, 317, Mar. 27, 2002, 116 Stat. 96, 109.)

and, this story says that Donald J. Trump Sr. just admitted it on Twitter.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @1    6 years ago

Trump is a foreign national?

Wrong statute there. 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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1.1.1  seeder  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1    6 years ago
Trump is a foreign national? Wrong statute there.

Nope, it's the right statute, just the wrong section, it goes on to say that ACCEPTING that help is a violation, also, the FBI required Trumps campaign to report any contact with a foreign national who wanted to get involved in their campaign and, they didn't, in fact, they lied about having met with any Russians about the campaign or, during the campaign even though their were pictures and, video of members of the campaign not only talking to Russians but, having Dinner with them and, inviting them to the RNC convention.

 
 
 
Old Hermit
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2  Old Hermit    6 years ago
Ok, so, this is were I have been telling folks on here that Trump and his campaign have broken the law and, here is the law that was broken.

Lock them UP!, Lock them UP!

§ 30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A)..............or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

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Read the Emails on Donald Trump Jr.’s Russia Meeting

JULY 11, 2017

On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:

Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Best

Rob Goldstone

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On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:53, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:

Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

Best,

Don

..................................................................

“This was a meeting to get information on an opponent”: Trump changes his story on Russia meeting

In denying reports he’s worried about legal scrutiny of Donald Trump Jr., Trump made a big shift in how he talks about the Trump Tower meeting.
By Emily Stewart Aug 5, 2018,

From: Rob Goldstone

Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 12:40 PM

To: Donald Trump J

Subject: Re: Russia - Clinton - private and confidential

 Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower. This was a meeting to get information on an opponent , totally legal and done all the time in politics - and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 5, 2018
 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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2.1  seeder  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Old Hermit @2    6 years ago
This was a meeting to get information on an opponent , totally legal and done all the time in politics - and it went nowhere.

It is not legal to accept information from a foreign power or, foreign national on an opponent, check the law out and, saying that "nothing came of it" or, "We didn't know it was illegal" is no excuse. 

Conspiracy punishes defendants for agreeing to commit a criminal offense. Conspiracy is an inchoate crime because it is possible that the defendants never will commit the planned offense. However, a conspiracy is complete as soon as the defendants become complicit and commit the conspiracy act with the conspiracy intent. The rationale for punishing defendants for planning activity, which generally is not sufficient to constitute the crime of attempt, is the increased likelihood of success when defendants work together to plot and carry out a criminal offense (Dennis v. U.S., 2011). If the defendants commit the crime that is the object of the conspiracy, the defendants are responsible for the conspiracy and the completed crime, as is discussed in Section 8.2.4 “Consequences of Conspiracy”.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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2.1.1  livefreeordie  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @2.1    6 years ago

Any law that prohibits getting political information from anyone other than a nation we are at war with is clearly an unconstitutional limit on freedom. It has never been tested in the courts but should be so it can be struck down

statist governments always try and suppress liberties

 
 
 
Old Hermit
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2.1.2  Old Hermit  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @2.1    6 years ago
It is not legal to accept information from a foreign power or, foreign national on an opponent, check the law out and, saying that "nothing came of it" or, "We didn't know it was illegal" is no excuse. 

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Oh they knew what they did was illegal. 

Why else would Pres. Trump personally come up with that, " The meeting was about the children , (adoption)", lie and all the other "Sidestep" dancing they've been doing since the meeting became public knowledge. Image result for dance a little sidestep gif

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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2.1.3  seeder  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  livefreeordie @2.1.1    6 years ago
Any law that prohibits getting political information from anyone other than a nation we are at war with is clearly an unconstitutional limit on freedom. It has never been tested in the courts but should be so it can be struck down

Russia, as the Soviet Union, declared war on us in the late 1940's and, hasn't stopped that war since then, yes, it has softened for a time but, it is still going on, they meddled in our elections in 2016 and, offered a political opponent "dirt" on another political opponent and, Putin even admitted that he ordered his intellence services to "help Trump win the election", that is a covert attempt to over throw our democracy, in other words an act of war.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  livefreeordie @2.1.1    6 years ago
Any law that prohibits getting political information from anyone other than a nation we are at war with is clearly an unconstitutional limit on freedom.

So you feel burglary is okay, as long as it is committed for political purposes?

Kidnapping and torture for political purposes?

Bugging a phone? 

Blackmail?

All okay as long as you get political information?

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.1.5  Skrekk  replied to  livefreeordie @2.1.1    6 years ago
Any law that prohibits getting political information from anyone other than a nation we are at war with is clearly an unconstitutional limit on freedom.

"I did not have collusion with that hostile foreign power.   And if I did it was consensual anyway."

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The really funny part is that Trump can't seem to decide which crime he wants to publicly admit to - obstruction of justice in several different cases, conspiracy to defraud the US, or conspiracy after the fact.    So far he's admitted to all of them.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
2.1.6  livefreeordie  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @2.1.3    6 years ago

Really? Can you show us that declaration of war?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
2.1.7  livefreeordie  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.4    6 years ago

I said none of those things

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.8  Ozzwald  replied to  livefreeordie @2.1.7    6 years ago
I said none of those things

Really???  I even included your quote..

Any law that prohibits getting political information from anyone other than a nation we are at war with is clearly an unconstitutional limit on freedom.

See?

Any law that prohibits getting political information from anyone other than a nation we are at war with is clearly an unconstitutional limit on freedom.

So yes you did.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
2.1.9  livefreeordie  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.8    6 years ago

We are not at war with Russia

 
 
 
lennylynx
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2.1.10  lennylynx  replied to  livefreeordie @2.1.9    6 years ago

They're at war with us though, but our President is a Russian agent so we aren't going to fight back.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.11  Ozzwald  replied to  livefreeordie @2.1.9    6 years ago

We are not at war with Russia

What the fuck has that got to do with what we were talking about?????

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
2.1.12  livefreeordie  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.11    6 years ago

Galen said Russia declared war on us in 1940

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.1.13  Ozzwald  replied to  livefreeordie @2.1.12    6 years ago

Galen said Russia declared war on us in 1940

Again.....

What the fuck has that got to do with what we were talking about?????

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
2.1.14  livefreeordie  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.13    6 years ago

Ask him

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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2.1.15  seeder  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  livefreeordie @2.1.6    6 years ago
Really? Can you show us that declaration of war?

What would you call it when a country try's to subvert your government through your elections? I would call that an act of war.

Act of war,

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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2.1.16  seeder  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  livefreeordie @2.1.12    6 years ago
Galen said Russia declared war on us in 1940



1945
Defeat of Germany and Japan

February 4-11: Yalta Conference meeting of FDR, Churchill, Stalin - the 'Big Three'
Soviet Union has control of Eastern Europe. The Cold War Begins

May 8: VE Day - Victory in Europe. Germany surrenders to the Red Army in Berlin

July: Potsdam Conference - Germany was officially partitioned into four zones of occupation.

August 6: The United States drops atomic bomb on Hiroshima (20 kiloton bomb 'Little Boy' kills 80,000)

August 8: Russia declares war on Japan

August 9: The United States drops atomic bomb on Nagasaki (22 kiloton 'Fat Man' kills 70,000)

August 14 : Japanese surrender End of World War II

August 15: Emperor surrender broadcast - VJ Day








1946
February 9: Stalin hostile speech - communism & capitalism were incompatible

March 5 : "Sinews of Peace" Iron Curtain Speech by Winston Churchill - "an "iron curtain" has descended on Europe"

March 10 - Truman demands Russia leave Iran

July 1: Operation Crossroads with Test Able was the first public demonstration of America's atomic arsenal

July 25: America's Test Baker - underwater explosion








1947
Containment

March 12 : Truman Doctrine - Truman declares active role in Greek Civil War

June : Marshall Plan is announced setting a precedent for helping countries combat poverty, disease and malnutrition

September 2 - Rio Pact - U.S. meet 19 Latin American countries and created a security zone around the hemisphere








1948
Containment

February 25 : Communist takeover in Czechoslovakia

March 2: Truman's Loyalty Program created to catch Cold War spies

March 17: Brussels Pact organized to protect Europe from communism

June 24 : Berlin Blockade begins lasting 11 months








1949
Containment

April 4 : NATO ratified

May 12 : Berlin Blockade ends

29 August : Russia tested its first atomic bomb

October 1 : Communist Mao Zedong takes control of China and establishes the People's Republic of China

December 1 - Chiang Kai-shek moved to Formosa and created Nationalist government








1950
January 30 - Truman approved H-bomb development

February : Joe McCarthy begins Communist witch hunt and loyalty tests

June 24: Korean War begins. Stalin supports North Korea who invade South Korea equipped with Soviet weapons








1951
January 12 : Federal Civil Defense Administration established

April 11 - Truman fires MacArthur








1952
A-bombs developed by Britain








1953
March 17-June 4 Nuclear Arms Race atomic test series of 11 explosions at Nevada Test Site

April 15: RAND report on the "Vulnerability of U. S. Strategic Air Power"

July : Korean War ends

December 8: Ike's Atoms for Peace speech








1954
March 1: H-bomb Castle-Bravo test

March : KGB established

CIA helps overthrow unfriendly regimes in Iran and Guatemala

July : Vietnam split at 17th parallel

1955
May : Warsaw Pact formed








1956
June 29: USSR sent tanks into Poznan, Poland, to suppress demonstrations by workers

September 4: USSR sent military aid to Afghanistan

October - November : Rebellion put down in Communist Hungary.

October 29: Suez Crisis began with Israeli attack led by Moshe Dayan against Egyptian forces in the Sinai

Egypt took control of Suez Canal








1957
August 26: Vostok rocket launched 1st ICBM

October 4 : Sputnik launched into orbit

November 3: Sputnik II launched - Laika died in space








1958
January 31: Explorer I launched

July : NASA began Mercury project using Atlas rocket

November : Khrushchev demands withdrawal of troops from Berlin








1959
January : Cuba taken over by Fidel Castro

September : Khrushchev visits United States; The Kitchen Debate








1960
A-bombs developed by France

May : Soviet Union reveals that U.S. spy plane was shot down over Soviet territory

November : John F. Kennedy elected President of USA

December 19: Cuba openly aligns itself with the Soviet Union and their policies.








1961
April : Bay of Pigs invasion see Cuban Missile Crisis Timeline

August 13 : Berlin border is closed

August 17 : Construction of Berlin Wall begins








1962
U.S. involvement in Vietnam increases see Vietnam War Timeline

October : Cuban Missile Crisis see Cuban Missile Crisis Timeline








1963
1963: July : Nuclear Test Ban Treaty ratified

1963: November : President Kennedy assassinated in Dallas, Texas








1964
August : Gulf of Tonkin incident - see Vietnam War Timeline

October: A-bombs developed by China








1965
April : U.S. Marines sent to Dominican Republic to fight Communism

July : Announcement of dispatching of 200,000 U.S. troops to Vietnam








1966
B-52s Bomb North Vietnam








1967
The US Secretary of Defence Robert McNamara admits that the US bombing raids had failed to meet their objectives








1968
January : North Korea captured U.S.S. Pueblo

President Johnson does not run for the presidency and Richard Nixon Elected President of the USA

August : Soviet Red Army crush Czechoslovakian revolt








1969
July 20 : Apollo 11 lands on the moon








1970
April : President Nixon extends Vietnam War to Cambodia








1971
Publication of the Pentagon Papers








1972
February: President Richard Nixon visits China

July : SALT I signed








1973
January : Cease fire in Vietnam between North Vietnam and United States

September : U.S. supported coup overthrows Chilean government

October : Egypt and Syria attack Israel; Egypt requests Soviet aid








1974
1974: August : President Nixon resigns








1975
April 17 : North Vietnam defeats South Vietnam which falls to Communist forces








1976
February: Soviet and Cuban forces help to install Communist government in Angola.








1979
January: U.S. and China establish diplomatic relations.

July : SALT II signed

November : Shah of Iran overthrown; Iranian Hostage Crisis

December: Soviet forces invade Afghanistan








1980
August: Polish shipyard workers strike Solidarity Union formed. Strike leader Lech Walesa is elected as the head of Solidarity








1983
President Reagan proposes Strategic Defence Initiative

1983: October : U.S. troops invades and overthrows regime in Grenada








1985
Mikhail Gorbachev becomes leader of the Soviet Union initiating a campaign of openness called "glasnost" and restructuring called "perestroika"








1986
October : President Reagan and Gorbachev resolve to remove all intermediate nuclear missiles from Europe








1987
October : Reagan and Gorbachev agree to remove all medium and short-range nuclear missiles








1989
January : Soviet troops withdraw from Afghanistan

June : Poland becomes independent

September : Hungary becomes independent

November : Berlin Wall is demolished and East Germany allows unrestricted migration to West Germany

December : Communist governments fall in Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, and Rumania

Decline of the Soviet empire








1990
March : Lithuania becomes independent

May 29 : Boris Yeltsin elected as President of Russia

October 3 : Germany reunited








1991
August : End of Soviet Union and the Cold War Ends

and, now we have this,

So tell me LFD what rock were you hiding under when all this was going on?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
2.1.17  livefreeordie  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @2.1.16    6 years ago

And not one declaration of war

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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2.1.18  seeder  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  livefreeordie @2.1.17    6 years ago
And not one declaration of war

HELLO, It's called a cold war for a reason. You can play dumb and, stupid all you want LFD but, we know that you are itching for a fight with someone so, why don't you take your ( Deleted ) and, find someone else to pester.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
3  livefreeordie    6 years ago

It’s time we use whatever means necessary to tear down the fascism both parties have pushed on us over the past 85 years

even the so called federal election commission is run by the two corrupt parties 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.1  Skrekk  replied to  livefreeordie @3    6 years ago

Agreed!   Let's start by putting treasonous and corrupt fascists like Trump, Junior and Jared in prison.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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3.1.1  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Skrekk @3.1    6 years ago

Deleted

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.1.2  Skrekk  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @3.1.1    6 years ago

Removed for context

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
4  lennylynx    6 years ago

Amazing that anyone can still deny any wrongdoing by Trump.  Anyone who still denies that now, will always deny it, no matter how damning the evidence against Trump turns out to be.  There is literally nothing Trump could do that would turn his cult against him, nothing.  I thought Trump's '5th Avenue' comment was just more of Trump's bluster and hubris when he said it, now it looks like the truest words Trump has ever spoken.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5  Kavika     6 years ago

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JohnRussell
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5.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Kavika @5    6 years ago

trump jr dumb.jpg

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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5.1.1  A. Macarthur  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    6 years ago

He's so dumb it takes him an hour and a half to watch Sixty Minutes!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  A. Macarthur @5.1.1    6 years ago

laughing dude

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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5.1.3  seeder  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    6 years ago

His twin brother, from another mother,

 
 

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