Man arrested in connection with disappearance of Mollie Tibbetts, authorities say
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(CNN)An undocumented immigrant has been charged with first-degree murder in the presumed death of Mollie Tibbetts, an Iowa college student who went missing on July 18, officials said Tuesday.
The body that officials believe is that of Tibbetts, 20, was found Tuesday, said Rick Rahn, special agent in charge at the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation. An autopsy is planned for Wednesday.
Authorities said surveillance video helped them determine a suspect. He led them to a cornfield where the woman's remains were found.
The suspect, Christian Rivera, 24, is an undocumented immigrant who authorities believe has been in the area for four to seven years, Rahn said.
He said the suspect followed Tibbetts on July 18 and then abducted her.
The autopsy will determine when Tibbetts died and how.
Rahn said Tibbetts' digital footprint, which included data from a fitness tracker known as a Fitbit, played a role in solving the case.
Tibbetts' father, Rob Tibbetts, when reached earlier Tuesday, had no comment.
Mollie Tibbetts, a University of Iowa student, was last seen jogging on July 18 in the small community of Brooklyn, Iowa, about an hour east of Des Moines, according to the Poweshiek County Sheriff's Office.
Before she went missing, Tibbetts' brother dropped her off at her boyfriend's house so she could dog-sit, HLN reported. Her family reported her missing after she did not show up for work the next day.
Investigators launched an extensive search for Tibbetts across the area, including in ponds, fields and from the air.
Rahn said last week that authorities had received more than 1,500 tips and conducted more than 500 interviews in the case.
Tibbetts was studying psychology and wanted to get a doctorate and write books, her father said.
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You beat me to it. You know if it had been a white guy even remotely associated with the republicans itthey would have been blasting it from every social media outlet they had.
mollie tibbetts.... another acceptable loss to "some" of the democrats platforms of open borders. Putting foreign nationals before citizens. If we were unified enforcing our national sovereignty this death may have been prevented... however with sanctuary cities and other hinderances to our law enforcement officials this animal was able to skate by up to seven years to AT LEAST murder her.
If it had been with a gun they would have focused on that alone.
a govt is formed to represent and protect its citizens... not foreign nationals. However some only seem to be concerned with the prospect of future votes and "haha white people are mad!"
when this country collapses due to unchecked illegal (not undocumented) immigration.... make sure you remember all those with "I'm with her" signs in their yard....
Somehow I don't think our liberal members are going to post her picture repeatedly over the next year like they do other victims of violence.
Maybe time magazine will post her picture :/
So, the question would be, if this guy, here illegally, used a sanctuary city to stay illegally, would the leadership of that city be criminally or civily liable as an accessory to murder, as they enabled htis individual to violate federal law?
I've brought that up in another story. I don't know how someone hasn't sued a city that declares itself a sanctuary city when an illegal kills someone. Seems pretty clear cut that the city should be held responsible for aiding and abetting criminals
that's bullshit and you know it. What democrats call for open borders (at least you spelled it right)
Well quite a few call for open borders. Have you not seen the big push for it? Hell Ellison wore a shirt that said "I don't believe in borders" or something to that effect. And he was what? 2nd in command of the DNC?
Besides. Actions speak louder. How can you say democrats generally (large majority) don't want open borders when you
1) Refuse to deport dreamers
2) refuse to deport their parents
3) refuse to deport the illegals who come here and have an anchor baby
4) actively warn illegals of ice raids
5) create sanctuary cities to protect ALL illegals
6) create policies and prevent expedited immigration trials that cause "catch and release" where the illegal is supposed to come back in 3-5 years for trial but never do. So when they are caught they have been in the US for 10-20 years in which case you again say they shouldn't be deported because thy lived here too long
So HOW are democrats not for open borders? Who is allowed to be deported according to democrats? Pretty much only illegals that have committed murder. That's it. That's the only people they seem ok with. So if you have a policy of promoting illegal immigration unless you end up committing a murder (not even always actually) .. that is an open border policy.
So who should be deported?
So that means we were right to interpret Melania's "I don't care, do you?" designer jacket when she visited the ICE concentration camps for children that she was telling us that she didn't give a shit about those kids.
Deport dreamers:
Let's say that you were born in Poland. Your parents brought you here when you were only 3 years old. They never sought legal citizenship, therefore you and they are illegal immigrants.
Jump ahead 20 years and ICE wants to deport you back to Poland. You've lived here practically your whole life, you can't even speak Polish, you know nothing about Poland, its people or culture. But guess what, SH, that's just too fucking bad. You ain't one of us and now you gotta git.
Seem fair?
That's really about the only thing on your list that I have a disagreement with. I don't like sanctuary cities, I ain't crazy about anchor babies (if that's really a thing), and I do think criminals should be deported.
Is it fair someone spends the time and money to immigrate legally and someone else illegal gets to just hide out for a few years and be in the clear? Because what you are advocating is a big game of "safe tag" where an illegal just needs to hide out with their kids long enough where now it's "unfair" to deport them and their parents. How much do you think sanctuary cities and other democrat practices help that? How many groups are actively protecting illegals with free legal help etc? How much does that help?
Is it fair a citizen now has to compete with a job for someone who wasn't even supposed to be here? Driving wages down as well? A govt is beholden to its citizens... not foreign nationals. When a govt stops representin their citizens that govt is null and void
And anchor baby is a thing. Plenty of examples of them having a kid ... then when they get caught what do (most) democrats say? "Wel you can't deport the mom and dad now! That's breaking up families!"
i wont say it's ALL Dems. You show that when you say you you're against most of the things I said. HOWEVER... there is no way you can deny that there is a large majority who promote and do the exact same things I listed. You had democrat politicians warning illegals in their cities that an ice raid was coming. Then anyone against illegal immigration gets accused of being racist as an additional way to quiet anyone against open borders.
Get the large corps like Tyson to stop hiring illegals and your friends can find real jobs with real wages
There's a whole lotta BS in the following points but I'll make them as brief as I can.
Oh, like your side did with Obama and his family? Even you must have laughed when you posted that howler, Tex.
Get our president to do the same and maybe we'd all have better paying and more jobs as well. But as we can plainly see this president clearly does not lead by example.
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Trump Vineyard Estates, applied for six H-2A visas for temporary jobs valid from Jan. 31 through June 30 of this year.
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Trump International Resort applies to hire more foreign workers
This isn't the first time a resort associated with the POTUS has sought foreign aid to staff his properties. During “Made in America” week at in July, Trump came under fire for seeking permission to hire 70 temporary foreign workers to staff Mar-a-Lago.
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Makin America Great for whom is my question.
No need to when the ghouls on the right are having a field day with this.
True but both ways mean one less american has a job.
IMO: Are underpaid jobs. Pay most Americans I know enough money there isn't much they won't do.
Sounds copasteic until ya consider many Americans are fat, lazy, greedy and stupid but still believe they should have it all and aren't willing to pay the price with either their labor or their cash. That's were cheap labor and goods inter the picture, legally or not.
IMO: The president certainly isn't setting a good example either. 1.1.17
Not really. People will get whatever they want legal or ilegal.
Marijuana is still federally illegal to this date but getting marijuana has never been a problem.
Proabition repeated does not change the outcome.
Legalization and regulation works better as a whole to contain the disadvantages of many things, including immigration when and where the rules and laws are followed.
PS: Even when things are legal we usually still have an illegal elimet taking advantage of anything and everything they can. Thus all the laws and jails.
The worse part of all this is the reason the people come here to begin with, We could probably set up machine gun nests all along the border and shoot anything that moves and we'd still have people dying to come to America.
Some other countries, some not even not too far away, really are shitholes to the point some people want out anyway possible and at all costs.
1) what does hat have to do with the fact democrats generally don't want to deport dreamers
2) obama holds the record on deportations after changing definitions. They started including people turned away at the border as deportations.
and obama never tried to address the parents of dreamers because he DID try and it was smacked down by the courts. He tried the program DAPA deferred action for parents of Americans --- that would have given legal status to parents of American citizens and those with legal status like dreamers...
map that also hits on the anchor baby as well because
3) anchor baby is not a myth. While it does not currently grant you legal status... it has been used to grant a cancellation of removal order. Where they get a green card. This is not a myth. They hide out and CAN get a green card at a minimum.
4) it is not a one off. I can think of at least two times it happened
The Oakland incident. Notice CNN calls the action righteous. So more Dems supported it.
The Massachusetts incident
More pro illegal immigration people with systems to warn of ice raids
along with all the other instances of many protests at ice facilities and protests of ice officials detaining people to be deported. Recent example of the illegal detained "driving his wife to the hospital to give birth" that the MSM conveniently left out that he was wanted for murder.
5) that's the lie told to avoid admitting the truth
"I want to make very clear, we are going to stay a sanctuary city. We welcome, just as in the spirit of what Cardinal (Blase) Cupich talked about, 'There is no stranger among us,'" Emanuel said.
Democrats of sanctuary cities have made it very clear they are trying to prevent anyone from being deported. "We are all citizens of earth" and BS like that. Plenty of quotes you can google that show it's about keeping anyone from being deported.
6) democrats blocked Paul Ryan's amnesty bill. It would have given amnesty to dreamers while havin much needed immigration reform that would have increased the number of judges doing immigration cases and expedited the trials.
Why did they do this? Because they said trump could stop dreamers etc from being deported. They have no interest in improving or borders because they want them open.
Democrats generally can claim to be against open borders... but the sum of your actions shows the policy is generally come one come all. They fight deportations of anyone at every corner. On top of that... they promote things like in state tuition for illegals, drivers licenses for illegals, and now they push for local voting rights for illegals. Yea... sounds like Dems really are against illegal immigration :/ I'm hearing quacking ... it's a duck.
More disdain for your fellow citizens. You realize if companies weren't paying minimum wage to illegals they would be forced to pay citizens hire wages to get employees.
Then IF they can't get enough people our immigration policies should allow them to petition for foreign workers.
Besides being racist assuming illegal aliens are only good enough to pick fruit and work in slaughterhouses....
an example would be tech companies abusing H1 visas to bring in workers so they don't have to pay Americans higher wages.
BUT yes.. that is an issue that needs to be addressed. It only encourages more illegal immigration. I do my best to combat it by reporting companies that I know are hiring a large illegal population. They should reward citizens who report the companies like crime stoppers.
If we can stop the companies and democrat areas from giving them in state tuition rates, drivers licenses, and local voting rights we may be able to discourage illegal immigration... which I assume anyone who says they aren't open borders would support
Trumps wife.
Why because you don't like her husband? Before they deport her they need to hunt down Obama's illegal alien aunt and uncle and toss them out of the country.
And why is that? She's not here illegally. You know, an illegal is President Obama's Aunt..........
If you are one of those who bitch about the illegal immigrants taking jobs but won't do jobs like picking fruit when you need a fucking job, yes, I have disdain for you
She violated her visa when she came here, she is a criminal
I grew up on farms so I have no problem with it
. However I have also seen farms who will only hire illegals so they don't have to pay higher wages.
But I agree with you that if you aren't working when you can we should stop all welfare to them as wel
I grew up on a farm, too, but we only hired local teenagers who were born here.
are very rarely done by illegal immigrants. In fact, there are an unlimited number of visas available to farmers to hire legal immigrants.
Robotics may be the answer to farm labor shortages in the near future. There are already systems being used to milk cows that are completely automated.
I wish my dad were still alive, he would love to see one of these AMS at work
Was he a dairy farmer? LOL.
I left the dairy when I was 17 and swore I would never ever be that close to another milk cow. In hindsight, being tied to a dairy 7 days a week was far easier than putting up with a lot of people in the corporate world. On the farm, it is possible to cull and sell the troublemakers. In the corporate world, the troublemakers are often rewarded and promoted.
For about 3 years, my dad owned half a dairy farm. Dairy farming is very different from crop farming. The cows have to be milked twice a day every day, including Sundays and holidays. We used to have to wait on Christmas morning for Dad to get back from the barn because nobody but him ever showed up for work, even his partner.
Which he didn't. He used a careless farmer, who apparently thought the picture on the stolen ID card looked good enough to him and now we're being told by one of yours that he also used a stolen social security card (how does one give that a pass when either the names don't match?) in the middle of Trump country to hide and get away with this murder.
Well, since the people in rural areas aren't lining up for these jobs so forcing all of them (mostly white users of the welfare system) would have to be the first move. But if that doesn't work, would you be in favor of forcefully moving the ones in the cities onto the farms to work?
Again, that was the bipartisan agreement for years under multiple administrations and even your Scumbag pretended to be in favor of it until he realized he could use it to play to the rabble.
Obvious BS on its face as evidenced by the fact you don't even try to support that.
Etc, etc.
No surprise that you'd just double down on all the lies and continue to throw in irrelevancies like
and this "beaut:"
But I thank you for being such an easy mark for debunking all the usual rightwing BS.
Of course you wouldn't.
Who, unlike Scumbag with Melania, had no part in her coming here or staying here much less helping her get around the law.
Here ya go....Pocahontas Warren on the death of this young yoman by an illegal:
Berman tried to help her but she continued - Berman askied the senator specifically to respond to President Trump and Vice President Mike Pence claiming the Tibbetts murder is proof of the need for stronger immigration enforcement and she continued:
Once again you fail. Where in that statement does Senator Warren call for open borders? Where?
Don't respond unless you can give me a concrete answer. I don't want your usual snark. If you have is the usual volfan misdirection and whataboutisms, don't bother hitting the reply button
proving once again that he did it the legal way and not under the table...LMBO, you people are so ridiculous.
You miss the whole point...again. This seed is about the death of this young lady at the hands of an illegal. My comment was about the 1/10th Pocahontas Warren incredibly insensitive remarks about the death of this young woman...and her highlighting the "real problem" (according to her own statement yesterday) is about "cage after cage after cage" along the border of people who have come over here ILLEGALLY. You can find where she has said plenty about illegals and sanctuary cities on your own.
Really despicable insensitive comment by the 1/10th PW.
Please....your bias makes you see "insensitive".
You still fail
pfft. Tell that to obummer and his clan.
you don't think her comments were insensitive??...WOW, and you talk about "bias"?
No, I am talking about lefties who complain about Pubs who are supposedly the only ones hiring illegals, but then they give an example to bolster their point, which in turn, only is proving that what Trump did was the absolute legal way and then the left still whines about it....OMG, too funny.
No, I don't.
But who cares what I think, right?
Now be on your way and don't comment to me anymore.
Why not? I would think that would be a very insensitive remark no matter what side of the aisle...heck, some of the comments Trump and Pubs make are definitely cringe worthy. I can at least admit that, but you can't admit that was horrible. Well, then...you are hard corp (not corpse). Have a good day, Trout.
You don't read very well.
Be gone
You know you could just quit responding to me. I don't do what libruls tell me to do...so, you first...or do you have lastworditis?
Another preventable murder.
So was Dylann Roof's crime.
"There were a total of 17,250 reported murder and non-negligent manslaughter cases in the U.S. in 2016."
Theoretically, all murders are preventable. This killers immigration status had nothing to do with his murderous intent so I'm not sure why the right thinks this is such a boon for them. I could almost feel the FOX News pundits beam with joy when they learned the likely culprit was possibly an undocumented immigrant. Sure, they ignore how with stalking murders, the far more likely culprits are natural born American citizens.
"The National Organization for Women, for example, cited federal statistics from 2005 that show, on average, about 3.2 women were killed per day by an intimate partner in the United States."
Why don't we focus on the 3 women a day killed by an intimate partner/spouse who is almost certainly a legal resident? Because that would be inconvenient for the right wings desired narrative, right? That's not the story they want to sell, they don't actually care about the victims, they care about partisan politics. Sad.
He chased her down while she was jogging. Crickets from progressives.
It's just being drowned out by the cacking of rightw murder-porn addicted vultures.
They are complicit.
So sad. Hope they fry his ass.
Me too, but it will be life without parole as Iowa does not have the death penalty.
Too bad.
That's surprising
She had her whole life in front of her. So tragic. I saw her family on the news a few times. My heart aches for them.
Another senseless, preventable crime executed by an ILLEGAL ALIEN THUG. I have no words to add. Comments 1 - 5 expressed my emotions and thoughts.
All crimes are potentially "preventable."
I notice that in all your posts, you are not condemning the murderer of this young lady, just spoutng more whatabouisms.
Do you need to hear that from me? Is that some sort of bar I have to clear to satisfy you. Tell you what--watch for a chat response from me.
I'd like to see you stop with all the whataboutisms and address the fact that this person killed an American Citizen. She is dead and gone, lost her life to someone that should not have been here. Right?
Is nice to sit in the cheap seats and talk about this in abstract. Maybe if it ws someone in your life, somoene that you loved, it would penetrate the perverse thinking that tis is a political football to be won at all costs.
To bad that Iowa doesn't have the death penalty...He deserves it.
Also that POS that killed his pregnant wife and two little girls....I hope that Colorado has a death penalty.
He is a coward and a POS. Trying to blame his pregnant wife for killing the little girls.
I read an article this morning. He could face the death penalty.
3rd time an illegal alien is caught it should be death penalty
Cristhian Rivera, the man accused in the death of a 20-year-old University of Iowa student, worked for an Iowa farm owned by the brother of a prominent Iowa Republican. Say it ain't so that a republican hired illegals.....
Oh, no we couldn't possibly hold an employer, especially a good republican farmer, accountable for anything. Remember the republican motto: We Never Have to Take Responsibility for Anything Bad. *
The companion to that motto is: We Take Credit for Good Things We Had Nothing To Do With.
If these EMPLOYERS/JOB CREATORS paid a decent wage and DID NOT HIRE IMMIGRANTS LEGAL AND/OR ILLEGAL then this WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM. But NO, they continue to do so and then something like this happens and they don't suffer any consequences.
I think it's pretty sad that we are trying to make this young ladies death political.
This is part of the statement from the farm where he worked which I read from lady in blacks link in #9
If that statement is true, it would seem that he was here with permission from our government. I don't know what the solution is, should we not allow anyone to hire people our government gave permission to be here? Stronger vetting? what is the answer? I do know that just sitting around arguing about which side is more at fault seems pretty ridiculous.
Particularly since both documented and undocumented immigrants have a lower crime rate than the general population since they have a strong interest in not being arrested.
There's a big difference between being punished for a crime and being punished and then deported. That difference likely explains why immigrants have a dramatically lower rate of criminality, particularly of violent crime. Or it could simply be that immigrants are superior humans in comparison to Americans.
Naaah. Immigrants tend to work hard. Violent criminals don't, and emigrating is usually hard work.
I invite you to make that case based on crime statistics. You'll get to experience the angry blue mist for yourself.
What I'm saying is that discussions about horrible crimes committed by immigrants are not merely pandering to the worst instincts of conservatives with hyperactive amygdalas but they're also completely irrational based on the hard data.
And given that immigrants are people it would also be irrational to expect that no crimes whatsoever would be committed by that demographic. People of all kinds commit crimes but immigrants are just far less likely to commit them than native-born Americans.
The data I cited clearly distinguishes between documented and undocumented immigrants, and it shows that the crime rates of both groups are much lower than that for native-born Americans. So the statement I made at 11.1 is correct: both documented and undocumented immigrants have a lower crime rate than the general population since they have a strong interest in not being arrested. So it's not clear why conservatives freak out about undocumented immigrants......in general you're far safer with them than you are with the average American or with a psycho like Trump.
As the data show that's a bogus argument since undocumented immigrants are much less likely to be criminals than the average American.
While I do agree that the US has an interest in regulating immigration and enforcing its laws, those immigration laws must be enforced sanely and humanely - something which Trump hasn't done at all. Part of that sanity also has to be a dispassionate recognition and analysis of the role which undocumented workers play in the farming and service economies. Again that's something which Trump hasn't done and which reactionary conservatives in general are incapable of doing.
It's nice to see this:
Family of Mollie Tibbetts Condemns Racist Fear-Mongering About Her Alleged Killer
Hmmm..the Tibbetts family seems well aware of it. Even Trump has been engaging in it by taking advantage of what happened to the young woman.
Why must you be so disingenuous?
I agree there's a slight difference between racism and irrational xenophobia, although the two seem closely intertwined in the GOP.
By the way it's great to see Republicans like Newt Gingrich openly admit that the murder of Tibbetts by an undocumented worker helps the GOP's election chances. Gingrich understands that it can be used to pander to the racist and xenophobic GOP base.
Nah....that's not making it political....
This chart is ridiculous.
and so is this statement:
First it is ILLEGAL ALIEN. This is the term used in Federal law to describe someone who entered the country ILLEGALLY. Just so you know, entering the country ILLEGALLY is a CRIME. (regardless of the fact that many political criminals encourage it and break the law regularly with sanctuary cities)
So, If EVERY ILLEGAL ALIEN was not guilty of a crime they wouldn't BE ILLEGAL ALIENS in the first place. Don't you mean less likely to commit ANOTHER CRIME? ..and never mind they are continuously committing a crime by STAYING here illegally, right?
This subject and the piece of defecation who killed his family bring out primal urges to terminate them.
We progressives aren't being vocal enough for Vic, tho, and some of the other cons here
Not all together sure where I fit into the political spectrum these days, but sometimes in cases like these the best workable solution goes something like one shot, one...
Elizabeth Warren thinks the murder of this girl by an illegal is a good excuse to complain about how tough it is for illegal aliens.
Wow, another grotesque lie about Warren followed quickly by the conviction and execution of someone who hasn't even had a trial yet. It's so wonderful to see the minds of "decent, patriotic Americans" at work.
[and, yes, I'm aware that he actually led police to her (probable) remains so it's likely to be a guilty plea]
Funny how you NEVER EVER hear progressives talk about Angel Moms isn't it.
Rightwing ghouls seem positively giddy that they got an "illegal" for this murder. It's almost as if they welcome this [or any] murder to reinforce their claim that all immigrants are criminals [or criminals to be] and to further their anti-immigrant crusade. "President" Scumbag certainly didn't waste any time using it at a political rally. What greater "respect" for the murdered woman could that be?
Giddy is not the word, it's outraged.
Whatever you want to call it, it's ghoulish, exploitive and desacratory to this woman's short life and tragic, violent death.
well its too bad she is dead. And yes it is very annoying to know an illegal who was working on a farm did it to her. Of course it doesn't help that he worked on a GOP owned and operated farm and he also was E-Verified they said.( guess they will fix the system now)
But i will also share that i also am very appreciative and have a tiny bit of respect that he did get his courage up and tell the truth. That amount of honesty will allow for the family to have some closure that can include her body for a proper funeral. Now i wish some of our own criminal citizens of murderous crimes would do the same.
But in the end, he lit a fire up and should with this heinous act and will now have to deal with the consequences.
So we now know for a certainty there will be no consequences for that employer or for the failure of the Scumbag administration's DHS.
This guy had a stolen ID card. Wouldn't that have had a picture on it? Or do all Mexicans look alike to him? Or are ID cards just useless?
There are outfits like IDChief, which hopefully is shut down, which can falsify IDs. Some are easier to falsify than others depending on the sophistication of built in security features.
There is document verification software capable of determining if an ID card is valid or not. These days, without this software, it is next to impossible to verify some of the "better" falsified documents.
They are becoming that way in states that haven't yet complied with the RealID act of 2005.
As a citizen of Missouri, I had to present a copy of my birth certificate in order to renew my driver's license in 2012, but it was not scanned into a database so I do not have an acceptable state ID to fly domestically before the end of this year.
In the near future, I am wondering if a government issued biometric card will be required in order to work in the US.
So that sort of blows the whole rationale for requiring people to have IDs. But are you suggesting that Rivera took the stolen ID to someone who had this software to have the ID fixed to look like him? Somehow, that seems far fetched in the extreme for some guy without much money to be able to both pay for it and be savvy enough to know where to go.
I am not suggesting anything. I am stating the technologies used for document VERIFICATION and NOT false document creation.
There is nothing far fetched about it. That is reality.
Outfits like ID Chief create these false documents. Google them, if they are still around. I have no idea of their pricing structure or physically how they create their documents..
I was a PM on the good guys side and our document readers nailed them.
I had the hardest time getting my military ID updated a few months ago. When I broke my ankle, I stopped dropping Mr off in the morning on base, therefore, I missed noting when my ID expired. I couldn't get a new ID without a passport, birth certificate, voter registration card, or a social security card. They would not accept my driver's license because Arkansas now has the enhanced driver's license thingy (which they failed to tell me about when I renewed last year).
Anyway, got the military ID which is good because I won't be able to board a plane without it or my passport. My DL won't cut it
And here's the pisser: You won't accept my DL which has my photo on it but you'll accept a voter's registration card, birth certificate, or social security card which do not
Better would have been if this POS ILLEGAL ALIEN hadn't murdered a beautiful, innocent AMERICAN CITIZEN.
again, funny how she is all these things and yet.....this POS told the truth and even showed them to where he dumped her. But yet rich white kid and white guys from Colorado dont.
do you get it. there are enough families across this country that have loved ones that they dont know where they are and your fellow POS american citizens who have been convicted of murder, take the information to the grave.
thus again its sad for her and the family but for fucks sake man, at least they can bury her and that because he DECIDED to share that information, not play the lawyer game or the keep it to myself and draw it out over a long court proceeding. so yes i can give that POS a bit of respect.
Like that young woman that went missing in Aruba. Did they ever find her? Weren't they looking at one particular rich kid for information?
yes i believe they did attempt to link a well off party guy to that disappearance.
He's in prison in Peru or Chile for the murder of another woman.
He was Dutch I believe, and his dad was a prominent judge in Aruba. His name escapes me at the moment.
Yes, Stefani Flores I believe is/was her name. He strangled her apparently because she found out about the stuff that happened in Aruba. I could be wrong on this, but I believe he will only serve about 25 years in Peru. I also heard a story about him scamming a US woman out of thousands of dollars (not Natalies mom).
Joran, is his name. Van der (something). It was on the tip of my "fingers"
Moot? That rings a bell
VanderSloot. Her family lives about an hour away from me.
He tried to come across as just a rich frat boy but apparently he's a real psycho. I'd be surprised if he survives prison - his fellow inmates have already tried to stab him to death.
I didn't even know the GOP owned and operated farms. Might want to tread this stuff before you post it.
Your sympathy is noted.
well here we go with YOUR TYPE of folks that know what it means but want to do sentence structure is not correct, boohoo. To me it is a .....................petty ass way to dismiss the facts.
Again it was pointed out, that because the GOP platform has been actively sucked into screaming from the heavens about the illegal immigration problem due to president trumps hissy fits over it, then this type of high profile situation arises. Well then they (supporters of the GOP ) have to own it. Not act like it doesn't matter because the sentence structure is not correct. SMH
And now there is a situation where the Press release of this guy being E-verified appear to have NOT happened.
so this might be a FOLLOW the money situation. meaning there may end up being some funny money being passed around and I wont be surprised if there is a follow up on other so called legal hiring processed employees.
not sure what the issue with this statement is. Because there were alot of people who were like me, holding out hope, she would be found alive.
yes!
good question , i look forward to your report on it.
And there it is, the problem has many facets to it.
It's what YOU wrote. Own it. Stop being a little child. And yes, reading vs. proofreading. The latter? You got me there, homeslice. At least I didn't write an outright lie.
You really should see a doctor about that. But to respond to your ridiculous comment--if employers are never to be held responsible for hiring the wrong people then the problem will never be solved because it's in the interest of the employer NOT to be skeptical or suspicious and just get a quick approval. Which brings us to the next level of system failure--the fake ID. Apparently IDs are that hard to fake which pretty much undercuts the general rightwing claim that IDs can solve everything -- and I'm talking about alleged (but non-existent) voting fraud now. And the final failing point was DHS which wasn't able to detect that this was a fake. So with both private and public sector incompetence like this--which you have no interest in holding accountable. And now to the hypocrisy of that last point: indifference to incompetence and failure when it's your side doing it while demanding perfection from everyone else.
Might be, could be anonymous sources, possible.
You could be a child molester for all we know. Would it be okay to start that rumor about you, becuase it's possible? I mean we heard it from unnamed sources. Like the way that fits? If not, stop doing it to everyone else you don't like.
No, it's never the fault of people the rightwing approve of--in this case a farmer using illegals which illustrates both how dependent the whole agricultural system is on foreign workers (who are the only ones who'll work that hard for such low pay) and how far the right will go to deny their role in the problem. But it does make sense when the goal is to smear people of a certain ethnicity and color.
I didnt say i didnt own it or write it. what i said is is bullshit that you clowns need something that has been confirmed as true.
the farm is owned by a person in the GOP party and that means his farm can be considered GOP owned and operated. I did not say the GOP PARTY OR THE GOP NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS ran or owned the farm. So again it is petty to DISSECT it as if the way i put it or the way you want it, changes how the farm is described, it doesn't.
what are you talking about-- all the news outlets have confirmed the operator of this specific farm is a gop member and recently attempted to win a seat on the farm bureau.
There is no rumors just facts that have been confirmed by government sources. So the only issue is folks who just cant seem to acknowledge information they can find and confirm for themselves away from this website.
This is what your open boarder and abolish ICE advocates get you.
Nope. This is what unscrupulous farmers and an incompetent DHS gets you.
nice spin./s
Somehow that "compliance" just wasn't very effective. This whole sorry, tragic episode seems to be just one system f**k up after another and you lot just can't let yourselves admit that. And I have a hard time believing that this perp was a completely law-abiding, hard working person for all the time he's been in the US and suddenly turned into a vicious killer overnight. Somebody's hiding something about this guy.
Just by reading the comments here, it seems to me that the right would be thrilled with her being murdered as long it was by an American citizen. Ridiculous you say? No more so than saying dems are in favor of open borders.
Actually, the only one that seems to be celebrating her murder is CJ in the above comments.
You've misread once again.
UPDATE:
Lang also clarified that the company did not use the government’s E-Verify system to check Rivera, though the company said in a statement the day prior that it did.
Lang said the company used a system relying on a driver’s license and Social Security card, but that Rivera provided an out-of-state ID and other false documents.
Both E-Verify and the Social Security Administration's program, immigration experts said, can be beaten with a state ID and a Social Security number belonging to someone else.
Problem #1 The love affair certain business has with cheap labor, which America turned away from long ago
Problem #2 The democratic party's need for the illegal alien vote to counter OUR vote!
ie....republicans
We're gonna need proof on that one, Vic
Another update:
Murder Suspect Worked under an Assumed Name
Check the recent correction to that story, the man was not here illegally and was employed by a Republican.
Check the recent correction to that story, the man was not here illegally
Correction: An earlier version of this article incorrectly spelled the first name of the suspect.
Oh, I guess that means he was here legally.
And notice how they all have to throw in the "and he was employed by a Republican". He was employed by a FAMILY member OF a Republican. While that may infer political preference, I can find nowhere where the actual owner is a Republican. But that's okay. It's just scissors. We'll let them run with it.
Funny how ICE never found this guy. Maybe they were too busy separating children from the mothers; you know the "really bad hombres."
So two of those 4 (and it's not 7) were under Scumbag's maladministration and the murder definitely was on his watch. So come up with another way to blame the past.
I am just going to jump in with my thoughts (have not time to read 200 comments).
Careful not to exaggerate this sad, sad, account any more than we do any of the other deaths that take place in the country. Why just this week: a citizen was found to have killed his PREGNANT wife and his two daughters. The two girls were found in a tank of oil on his old job.
So yes, all death is sad. And, don't get me started on the whole American shame of Sandy Hook Elementary, where were these conservative wringing hands and 'pooling' then and now? Conservatives! 26 students and teachers are still waiting for an answer from your side!
Reality is a 'mother.'