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The 100 year betrayal of Israel by the West

  

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The 100 year betrayal of Israel by the West

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The 100 year betrayal of Israel by the West

By Ted Belman, Israpundit, March 26 2017

One hundred years ago the British government published the Balfour Declaration which stipulated,

“His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”

In 1920, the WWI victorious allies met in San Remo for the purpose of allocating the captured Ottoman Empire. It was decided, among other things, to put Palestine under British Mandatory rule. Thus the Allies confirmed the pledge contained in the Balfour Declaration concerning the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine and made it a legal obligation on Britain and a legal entitlement for the Jews.

When the Palestine Mandate was drafted by the League of Nations pursuant to the San Remo Resolution, it added this important recital,

“Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.”

This addition was of great importance as it affirmed the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine, which, by the way, the PA and the UN today are doing their best to deny. In addition, the Jewish right to “reconstitute” their national home was recognized. Thus the Jews were in Palestine as a matter of right and not sufferance.

The Mandate provided,

“The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co¬operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.“

The first betrayal of that promise and right came in 1921 before the Mandate was signed. The Arabs had rioted and Britain decided to reduce Jewish immigration to “absorptive capacity” and told Chaim Weizmann that the mandate wouldn’t be signed if the Jews didn’t agree to delete temporarily, the east bank of the Jordan. The Jews had no choice but to agree and the Palestine Mandate was signed in 1922. This territory amounted to 78% of what was promised to the Jews and it ultimately became Jordan. The deletion of the east bank became permanent contrary to Article 5 which prohibited any removal of land from the Mandate.

While the British Cabinet was generally sympathetic to the Zionist project, the Civil Administration appointed by it to manage the mandatory was antisemitic. It restrained the Jews and emboldened the Arabs thereby violating its pledge to use its best efforts to facilitate the creation of a homeland. Whenever the Arabs rioted, the Jews were made to pay the price. Sound familiar?

After the Arab riots of 1929. A White Paper was issued by Britain that stated that because of the shortage of arable land, Jewish settlement would be permitted only under stringent government supervision. Thus, another betrayal.

From 1936 to 39, The Arab Revolt against the British took place which led to the Peel Commission being appointed to study the matter and make recommendations. The Commission recommended that the Mandate be partitioned between Arabs and Jews thereby further diminishing what was promised to the Jews and what they had the legal right to. This recommendation was passed by the British Parliament but ultimately abandoned.

In and by virtue of the 1939 White Paper, Jewish immigration to Palestine was limited to 75,000 for the first five years, subject to the country’s “economic absorptive capacity”, and would later be contingent on Arab consent. Stringent restrictions were imposed on land acquisition by Jews.

This betrayal was all the more egregious as Hitler, who had been in power for six years had systematically denied Jews their rights and their property and removed them from their jobs and their professions. The Jews were is dire straits and needed to emigrate.

The Jewish Agency for Palestine issued a scathing response to the White Paper, saying the British were denying the Jewish people their rights in “darkest hour of Jewish history. It was to no avail.

During WWII, Hitler attempted to exterminate the Jews, by first transporting them to extermination camps, like Auschwitz, and then killing them with the use of poison gas. Britain still refused to allow more Jews into Palestine.

In effect, Germany was herding the Jews into barns before setting fire to them and Britain was guarding the burning barns to make sure no Jews escaped, metaphorically speaking.

The British also bombed and torpedoed many ships of refugees, with the express purpose to kill Jews. Thus continuing the work of Nazi Germany upon those that had escaped the Nazis.

Tens of thousands of ‘additional’ Jews were murdered intentionally and with malice aforethought by the Government of Britain.

After the war, Britain still wouldn’t let the survivors in. Instead they were housed in “displaced persons” camps in Europe until Israel’s declaration of Independence on May 19. 1948.

Just imagine the millions of Jews who would have emigrated to Israel during the holocaust had Britain adhered to her obligation in the Mandate.

But before leaving Palestine, Britain once more betrayed the Jews by turning over all their military equipment and police stations to the Arabs. This was after they had confiscated all weapons in the hands of the Jews that they could find.

To make matters worse, the US imposed an embargo on all US weapons to either the Arabs or the Jews, making it very difficult for the Jews to get the arms needed to defend themselves.

Upon Israel declaring independence, Six Arab countries invaded Israel intent on destroying the state and killing the Jews. Pres Truman believed that the Jews would be defeated within four months but still maintained the arms embargo. The Jews succeeded in turning the war around and began conquering additional territory. Only then was it possible to arrange a permanent ceasefire. In the Ceasefire Agreement with Jordan, Jordan insisted that the ceasefire lines were never to be construed as a border between Jordan and Israel. Israel agreed. This didn’t stop Pres Obama from demanding that the border between Israel and Palestine be the said ceasefire lines.

In 1956, Nasser closed the Straits of Tiran, an international waterway, and Israel, in response to this causes belli, conquered the Sinai in concert with the Britain and France who were interested in reclaiming the Suez Canal. President Eisenhower forced them all to retreat. Part of the deal was that the US, Britain, France and Russia would guarantee that the Straits would remain open to Israel.

In 1967, Nasser again closed the Straits of Tiran and the Guarantors were nowhere to be found. Another betrayal.

In response to this causes belli and the massing of Arab armies on all Israel’s borders, Israel preemptively attacked and defeated Eqypt, Syria and Jordan in 6 days.

Considering that this was the third time in 20 years that Israel was forced to defend itself, you would think that Israel would be entitled to keep all land conquered in such a defensive war pursuant to international law. But no, the best it could get from United Nations Security Council was Res 242 which began by “Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war “ in total disregard to this war being a defensive war which permits it. It required Israel to withdraw from territories acquired (but not all territories) in exchange for “secure and recognized boundaries free from acts or threats of force”. Thus it was recognized that secure boundaries would necessitate Israel retaining some of the territories.

Subsequently, the international community has embraced the Arab Peace Initiative, which has no legal standing whatsoever, and which requires 100% withdrawal. Another betrayal.

In addition, the international community interpreted this, ex post facto, to include unsecure borders which can be made secure by arrangements rather than borders which are inherently secure as was originally intended. Again, a betrayal.

In 1973, on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, Egypt and Syria launched a surprise attack on Israel and in the first 2 or 3 days came close to destroying Israel. I took Israel this long to fully mobilize. It quickly ran low on ammunition and parts and appealed to the US for resupply. Henry Kissinger, Pres Nixon’s Foreign Secretary, refused immediate delivery as he wanted Israel to suffer a bloody nose so that she would be more pliable in future negotiations. Fortunately, without this much-needed resupply, Gen Ariel Sharon managed to create a beach head on the west side of the Suez Canal from which he started for Cairo which was undefended. Most of the Egyptian Army had gone to the east side to fight Israel. Russia threatened to intervene and Nixon stood up to them and ordered Kissinger to affect the resupply immediately and to arrange a ceasefire. The resupply was made more difficult as the various European countries denied the resupply planes with landing rights on their way to Israel. I would say that Kissinger’s delay of resupply and Europe’s withholding landing rights were two more grave betrayals.

President GW Bush put a lot of energy into convening the Madrid Conference in 1991 in which peace negotiations could start. He tried to have the PLO included in the talks but PM Shamir insisted that only Palestinians from the West Bank could participate as part of the Jordanian delegation. Bush also insisted that Jerusalem be put on the table for final status negotiations. Shamir resisted this as well but in the end agreed. He needed a US guarantee for $10 billion in order for Israel to be able to finance the massive aliya from Russia.

After this, Shimon Peres had an opportunity to negotiate with the PLO in secrecy to see what could be negotiated and PM Rabin gave his approval. This resulted in the Oslo Declaration of Principles for Interim Self Government being signed in 1993. It awkwardly described the Palestinian party to the agreement as “the PLO team (in the Jordanian-Palestinian delegation to the Middle East Peace Conference) (the “Palestinian Delegation”), representing the Palestinian people,”. Quite a mouthful.

“The aim of the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations within the current Middle East peace process is, among other things, to establish a Palestinian Interim Self Government Authority, the elected Council (the “Council”), for the Palestinian people in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, for a transitional period not exceeding five years, leading to a permanent settlement based on Security Council resolutions 242 (1967) and 338 (1973)”

What is important to note is that the Council was “for the Palestinian people in the West Bank and Gaza” thereby excluding the refugees outside of the West Bank. Furthermore, it was intended to lead to “a permanent settlement based on Security Council resolutions 242 (1967) and 338 (1973)”. Nevertheless, the entire world takes the position that the goal of the Oslo Accords is the creation of a Palestinian state. This is a lie and a betrayal.

Of further note, the Accords in no way limited settlement construction, though they did define the settlements as a “final status issue”. Nevertheless, the world demands a freeze on settlement construction because they imperil a two-state solution. But the Accords made no mention of a two-state solution. PM Netanyahu has always said that they are not an impediment because they can always be removed. Besides, the Palestinians have no right to a state.

From day one, the Palestinians have been in default of the Accords because that engaged in incitement and violence which they are committed not to do.

In Sept 2000 they started the Second Intifada in which they murdered well over 1000 Israelis. Pres George Bush sent Sen George Mitchell to the territories on a fact-finding mission and he, in his report, you guessed it, recommended that Israel stop settlement construction. Once again, the West made the Jews pay the price for Arab violence.

Though Saudi Arabia played a major role in the perpetration of the attacks on 9/11 in 2001, Pres Bush felt he had to appease them by calling for a Palestinian state in his vision speech in 2002. This was a betrayal of Israel who had always rejected the creation of such a state.

He also introduced the Roadmap for Peace which also was a further betrayal of Israel for a number of reasons: 1) It began by reciting the Arab Peace Initiative which called for 100% withdrawal by Israel contrary to Res 242 and 2) It called for Israel to freeze all settlement activity (including natural growth of settlements) and 3) for the emergence of an independent, democratic, and viable Palestinian state none of which had Israel agreed to. These were included in the 14 reservations raised by Israel to the Plan and Colin Powell insisted that the Plan be accepted, after all it was only a process he said, and promised that the State Department would give serious consideration to them which it never did.

Because of the pressure put on Israel by the US to create a Palestinian state, PM Sharon thought he had to initiate solutions before he was forced to do what the west wanted. Thus he proposed the Disengagement Plan. Bush gave him a letter in 2004 in support which committed the US to certain things including US support for the retention of the settlement blocs and a solution based on Res 242 rather than the API. It also committed the US to not allow any other Plan to be imposed. This letter was carefully drafted as it was considered to be binding on the US. One of the first things Pres Obama did after his inauguration was to disavow this letter so he would be free to impose terms on Israel if not a full plan. I would say that was a major betrayal.

As part of the Disengagement in 2005, Condi Rice negotiated the Rafah Agreement to remove Israel from manning the Rafah Crossing and to replace them with the Europeans as the arabs had demanded. Shortly thereafter the Europeans hightailed it, leaving no outsider in charge. And thus the smuggling was facilitated.

At the end of the second Lebanese War in 2006, Condi Rice got the UNSC to pass Res 1701 which was intended to prevent Hezbollah from rearming in Lebanon south of the Litani River. It did no such thing due to the lack of commitment and now Hezbollah has stashed 150,000 missies there. A betrayal of massive proportions.

Pres Obama betrayed Israel in many ways during his presidency including forcing Israel to institute a settlement freeze and to support a two-state solution which she wasn’t legally obligated to do. Rather than leave all final status issues to be negotiated directly as had been agreed upon, he attempted to influence the parameters of an agreement by insisting on a division of Jerusalem and the ’67 lines as the borders.

During the last Gaza War in 2014, Obama refused to resupply Israel with needed ammunition and he ordered that US commercial flights to cease during this war. It only was in force for a day but was very dramatic in its implications. Both actions undercut Israel.

His parting shot was to refrain from casting his veto to UN Res 2334 which thoroughly attacked the settlements and demanded a permanent freeze. If that weren’t bad enough, it went on to apply these demands to communities in Jerusalem east of the ceasefire lines.

The Iran Deal requires special mention as a betrayal of major proportions.

The driving force behind all these betrayals is the desire on the part of the West to appease the Arabs due to their 300 million population, their oil and gas exports and to their one billion co-religionists. It matters not, what the facts, history, agreements, values, guarantees are.

It remains to be seen whether Pres. Trump will put an end to this 100 year betrayal.



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Buzz of the Orient
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1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient    8 years ago

The movie Exodus, although somewhat fictionalized, makes the point easily understandable.  The internment of the Jewish refugees, the refusal to allow them to reach Israel, the confiscation of weapons, Arab attacks - are all factual.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2  Bob Nelson    8 years ago

At the same time... without the support of the West, and particularly the US, Israel would not exist.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @2    8 years ago

I don't disagree with that, Bob.  Great Britain has certainly been the worst perpetrator.  However, it kind of makes me think about a person who keeps a pet dog alive, but kicks it in the face from time to time.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1    8 years ago

I don't think that "pet" is Israel's relationship with the US.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1    8 years ago
However, it kind of makes me think about a person who keeps a pet dog alive, but kicks it in the face from time to time.

So true. The US has brokered agreements between Israel and the Palestinians in which Israel gave up land for peace, (land without peace in south Lebanon in 2000 and the same in Gaza in 2005) except Israel didn't get peace. For almost half a century the US has pursued this mindless policy of "land for peace". Trump is different and so is Israel. Israel will not repeat the transaction again, for anyone.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.3  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.1    8 years ago

Come on, Bob, there's a symbiotic relationship between a man and his dog - both provide benefits to each other, just as the US and Israel provide benefits to each other (Do I actually have to give you examples?).  I said Great Britain was the greater perpetrator - but did you not read the article?  You can't tell me Obama didn't betray Israel - what about that last refusal to veto a biased anti-Israel UNSC resolution?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.3    8 years ago

You mentioned kicking the dog in the head...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.5  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.4    8 years ago

Okay, okay, that's cruel - just giving it a spanking then.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3  Ronin2    8 years ago

Nice one sided history lesson.

To start with, did the Arabs ever agree to the Balfour Declaration?  Or was it only Britain trying to maintain it's image as a colonial/major world power?  Also, maybe you need to reread this section of the declaration a couple of times.

it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine

Do the non Jews in Israel enjoy the same civil and religious rights?  So Israel has violated its end of the Balfour declaration as well.

Britain and France both failed in the quest for colonies in the ME; but both shaped the problems that currently exist with the Sykes/Pikot Agreement.  Funny you left that part out.  Also, they betrayed their promise to the Arabs for self rule after helping to bring down the Ottoman Empire by fighting on the allies side during WWI

In order to enlist the military and political support of the Arabs, Britain promises to support their struggle for independence in most of the lands hitherto ruled by the Ottoman Turks, presumably including Palestine (see the correspondence between Sharif Husayn and MacMahon ).
At the same time, Britain agrees with France and Russia to carve up the Middle East into mutually agreed spheres of economic and political influence. The map drawn up in the Sykes-Picot agreement contradicts the promises made in the MacMahon correspondence.
Some authors charge Britain with outright duplicity, others are more forgiving, believing that the British later did their best to stabilize the tense situation they themselves had helped to create during the First World War. With respect to Palestine in particular, the Foreign Secretary Lord Balfour conceded as early as 1919 that
the Powers had made no statement of fact that is not admittedly wrong, and no declaration of policy which, at least in the letter, they have not always intended to violate. (Armstrong, p. 374, quoting from Christopher Sykes, Crossroads to Israel , London 1965, pp. 16-17)
Be that as it may, it is clear that Britain's promises could not all be fulfilled and that the mandatory power proved unable to control the flames of nationalism it had nourished.

Also, see the correspondence between Sharif Husayn and MacMahon.

In a letter dated the 24th of October, 1915, Sir Henry McMahon, then His Majesty's High Commissioner in Egypt, promises the Sharif of Mecca, Husayn ibn Ali , to "recognise and support the independence of the Arabs within the territories proposed by him." These territories included the Arabian peninsula, Syria (including Lebanon, Palestine, and Transjordan), and Iraq as "purely Arab" areas and part of a future Arab state or states in the region. (See MAP of this area. ) Rumors about the content of the Sykes-Picot agreement that were being spread by the Turkish government to cause a rift between Britain and the Arabs were discarded by England as "Turkish war propaganda." After the war, the interpretation of the MacMahon correspondence became contentious because the British insisted that their annexation of Palestine as a direct British mandate and their support of the establishment of a Jewish homeland therein did not constitute a betrayal of its committments to the Arabs since Palestine had not been specifically mentioned. This remained a bone of contention between the British government and Arab representatives arguing for the conversion of Palestine into an Arab state. (See the White Paper of 1939. )

So who did Britain really screw; the Israelis or the Arabs? You could claim both; but Israel exists- and Palestine doesn't.

As for the League of Nations.  It wasn't a World Wide organization; which is the reason it failed. The US; USSR; Germany, and many other countries were either never members; or joined and left.  Any "mandates" made by the League died with it.

Oh, and as for the US treating Israel as a "pet". That is one damn expensive "pet" that attacked and sank a US warship w/o reprisal.  Can't imagine any other country getting away with that.

During the Six-Day War, Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats attack the USS Liberty in international waters off Egypt’s Gaza Strip. The intelligence ship, well-marked as an American vessel and only lightly armed, was attacked first by Israeli aircraft that fired napalm and rockets at the ship. The Liberty attempted to radio for assistance, but the Israeli aircraft blocked the transmissions. Eventually, the ship was able to make contact with the U.S. carrier Saratoga, and 12 fighter jets and four tanker planes were dispatched to defend the Liberty . When word of their deployment reached Washington , however, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered them recalled to the carrier, and they never reached the Liberty . The reason for the recall remains unclear.

Back in the Mediterranean, the initial air raid against the Liberty was over. Nine of the 294 crewmembers were dead and 60 were wounded. Suddenly, the ship was attacked by Israeli torpedo boats, which launched torpedoes and fired artillery at the ship. Under the command of its wounded captain, William L. McGonagle, the Liberty managed to avert four torpedoes, but one struck the ship at the waterline. Heavily damaged, the ship launched three lifeboats, but these were also attacked–a violation of international law. Failing to sink the Liberty, which displaced 10,000 tons, the Israelis finally desisted. In all, 34 Americans were killed and 171 were wounded in the two-hour attack. In the attack’s aftermath, the Liberty managed to limp to a safe port.

Israel  later apologized for the attack and offered $6.9 million in compensation, claiming that it had mistaken the  Liberty  for an Egyptian ship. However,  Liberty survivors, and some former U.S. officials, believe that the attack was deliberate, staged to conceal Israel’s pending seizure of Syria’s Golan Heights, which occurred the next day. The ship’s listening devices would likely have overheard Israeli military communications planning this controversial operation. Captain McGonagle was later awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for his heroic command of the  Liberty  during and after the attack.

The US has gone to war and bombed countries flat for less than that.  I would say this a case of "The Dog biting the hand that feeds it;" and then the supposed owner rewarding it with bigger and better treats afterwards.  Israel is no one's pet.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4  seeder  Buzz of the Orient    8 years ago
"Funny you left that part out."

Funny you think I wrote the article.

"...it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine"

I'm fully aware of that clause.  Are you denying that the surrounding Arab invading countries warned the Arab residents to leave promising they could return after they had pushed the Jews into the sea? And the Arabs fled with that assurance.  And if they didn't leave, how come, if the Jews are blamed for ethnic cleansing, that so many Arabs remained.  If they hadn't, how the hell could Israel possibly be 20% Arab now?  Are you denying that Abbas said that not accepting Partition was the biggest mistake the Arabs ever made?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5  Ronin2    8 years ago

1)  Are you denying that the surrounding Arab invading countries warned the Arab residents to leave promising they could return after they had pushed the Jews into the sea? And the Arabs fled with that assurance.

Yes, the Arab countries did say that; they were wrong. Next.

2)   And if they didn't leave, how come, if the Jews are blamed for ethnic cleansing, that so many Arabs remained.

Look up the Sterns and other Jewish gangs. Many that didn't flee were raped, tortured, and killed.  Of course that had nothing to do with the Palestinians fleeing did it?

Irgun and the Stern Gang, breakaway paramilitary groups, drew up separate plans to take the strategic Deir Yassin in a pre-dawn raid on 9 April 1948, even though the villagers had signed a non-aggression pact with the Jews and had stuck to it. What happened next is still under debate. In his book The Revolt, Menachim Begin, a future Israeli prime minister, recounts how the Jewish forces used a loudspeaker to warn all the villagers to leave the village. Those that remained fought.

"Our men were compelled to fight for every house; to overcome the enemy they used large numbers of hand grenades," wrote Mr Begin, who was not present at the battle. "And the civilians who had disregarded our warnings suffered inevitable casualties. I am convinced that our officers and men wished to avoid a single unnecessary casualty."

Mr Begin's account, however, is challenged by the recollections of survivors and eyewitnesses. Abdul-Kader Zidain was 22 years old in 1948, and immediately joined a band of 30 fighters from the village to fend off the surprise Jewish offensive, even though they were clearly outnumbered.

"They went into the houses and they shot the people inside. They killed everybody they saw, women and children," said Mr Zidain, who lost four of his immediate family, including his father and two brothers, in the attack. Now a frail 84-year-old living in a West Bank village, he says he remembers everything as if it were yesterday. Survivor testimonies are supported by Mr Pa'il, whose detailed eyewitness account was published in 1998. Awaiting reassignment, he went to observe the attack as part of his remit to keep the Irgun and the Stern Gang in check.

After the fighting had wound down, Mr Pa'il described how he heard sporadic firing from the houses, and went to investigate. There he saw that the soldiers had stood the villagers in the corners of their homes and shot them dead. A short while later, he saw a group of around 25 prisoners being led to a quarry between Deir Yassin and neighbouring Givat Shaul. From a higher vantage point, he and a companion were able to see everything and take photographs. "There was a natural wall there, formed by diggingy. They stood the prisoners against that wall and shot the lot of them," he said. Mr Pa'il described how Jews from neighbouring Givat Shaul finally stepped in to stop the slaughter.

In the ensuing confusion and anger over the killings in Deir Yassin, both sides released an inflated Palestinian death toll for very different reasons: the Palestinians wanted to bolster resistance and attract the attention of the Arab nations they hoped would help them; the Jews wanted to scare the Palestinians into flight.

After the dust had settled, Mr Zidain and the other survivors counted the missing among them, and concluded that 105 Palestinians had died in Deir Yassin, not the 250 often reported. Four Jews were killed. But the damage was already done. The reports from Deir Yassin led to a total collapse of morale, and many historians regard the incident as the single biggest catalyst for the Palestinians' flight. By UN estimates, 750,000 Palestinians had fled their homes by the end of the 1948 War of Independence, roughly 60 per cent of Palestine's pre-war Arab population.

3)  If they hadn't, how the hell could Israel possibly be 20% Arab now?

Wow, 20%.  What was the population before that percentages? Hint, the Palestinians were the majority. So 20% that don't have equal rights or religious freedoms. 

4)  Are you denying that Abbas said that not accepting Partition was the biggest mistake the Arabs ever made?

Yes, the Palestinian leadership sucked for a very long time. Do you deny that Israel didn't have expansionist goals that went beyond the borders that were set in the Partition?

According to the founding father of Zionism Theodore Herzl, “the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.”  According to Rabbi Fischmann,  “The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.”

Both sides suck; but Israel has the benefit of being backed by the US militarily and financially. Even when they attacked a clearly marked US warship and killed/wounded most of the crew, Even when they sell our tech to the Chinese.  I am not for either side in this conflict; and there is no solution.  Israel will not make the concessions needed in terms of land and having a complete connected, viable Palestinian state; and the Palestinians will not give up right of return for the millions of refugees still w/o a homeland. We need to end our aid to both sides now.  It isn't like the money could be used within the US to repair our ever crumbling infrastructure. 

Main All News Defense/Security Report: US Furious at Israel Equipment Transfer to China

Report: US Furious at Israel Equipment Transfer to China

Top Israeli defense official allegedly resigns over transfer approval for military equipment move to China; US fears Chinese sale to Iran.

Tova Dvorin,   22/12/13 11:10
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A top Israeli defense official was forced to step down last week, according to  Maariv  Sunday, after the United States expressed fury at Israel's decision to sell military equipment to China. 

Meir Shalit, the Department Head for Defense Exports at the Defense Ministry, announced his resignation last week. While Shalit did not announce the reasons behind his resignation, the report claims that he voluntary resigned after US official investigations last month over the transfer revealed that the move took place with his approval. Shalit apologized to the US in a visit late last week. 

The conflict, according to the daily, stems from different interpretations of the military weapon support contract between the US and Israel.

Israel explained to US officials that sensitive components of the equipment had been removed before the transfer and were being held in Europe.

However, the US insisted that the fact that equipment eventually made its way to China at all presents a security risk to the Middle East.

The US is concerned that the advanced technology could trickle from China to Iran, according to the report. Iran tried to   buy equipment   from China at least once to boost its nuclear weapons production, according to a report published earlier this year. 

The specific technology in question includes a miniature refrigeration system manufactured by Ricor, which is used for missiles and in electro-optic equipment.

The US and Israel have clashed over weapons and air force transfers before. Between 2000-2003, the US forced Israel   to cancel   sale of the Phalcon airborne radar system to China, at a   steep price   of over $300 million in compensation fees. 

China and Israel have strengthened their political and economic ties considerably over the past year.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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5.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @5    8 years ago
"So 20% that don't have equal rights or religious freedoms."

Israel's Declaration of Independance (1948) REQUIRES equal rights and religious freedom. Are you saying Muslims and Christians are not permitted to practise their religions in Israel?  Did Bahai' not make Israel its home base?  Do Arabs not get voted to become members of the Knesset, does an Arab not sit on the Israeli Supreme Court?  

Are you denying that Abbas said that not accepting Partition was the biggest mistake the Arabs ever made? 

You answered yes to that?

The Arabs made a mistake in 1947 when they rejected the UN partition plan, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said in an interview with Channel 2 on Friday.

(That was reported in both the NY Times and Reuters, and I can't open either one, but I could open JPost)'

"...if the Jews are blamed for ethnic cleansing"

Oh yes, it's not new that Israel is blamed for being an apartheid state, the Jews use the blood of Christian children to make matzoh, they are in control of the American government, own all the banks......So what else is new, Ronin?  How about this?  Do you believe this one too?

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“”Do you deny that Israel didn't have expansionist goals that went beyond the borders that were set in the Partition?“”

Not expansionist, but recovering what is legally and historically theirs:

I really wish Bob Nelson would republish his 4-part series ESTABLISHING that Israel LEGALLY POSSESSES Judea and Samaria.  One of the times I was in Israel I stood up on the Golan Heights and realized, looking DOWN at the whole Galilea area of Israel that it would be insane not to retain what was conquered in a defensive war. 

By the way, Ronin, have you ever been to Israel, or are your comments based on only what is reported, even if it COULD be a "little" biased.

I have no time left right now - will continue later.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1    8 years ago

This is almost laughable:

Israel's Declaration of Independance (1948) REQUIRES equal rights and religious freedom. Are you saying Muslims and Christians are not permitted to practise their religions in Israel?

Just Google how many times Temple Mount has been closed to Arabs/Palestinians. They are free to practice their religion when the Israelis say.

Do Arabs not get voted to become members of the Knesset, does an Arab not sit on the Israeli Supreme Court?  

Yes, and they can be removed at any time.

So it is either tow the Israeli Jewish line; or be barred/banned.

What about housing in Israel, is that equal as well. Are Arabs/Palestinians allowed to buy property; expand dwellings; and enlarge their communities?  Or do they face a litany of governmental red tape and must spend years in court especially in Jerusalem?

“It’s no secret that Israel’s government since 1967 has had a policy of annexing as much land as possible without incorporating the people in terms of their basic rights.”

Since 1967, Israel has built approximately 55,000 housing units in newly established illegal Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem, Ofran said.

In the same time period - 47 years - no new Palestinian neighbourhoods have been established.

Rights groups say that Palestinians have been restricted to building in only 17 percent of East Jerusalem, meaning their only option is to expand existing properties.

This process, however, requires obtaining a building permit from the Jerusalem municipality, a lengthy, costly, and ultimately uncertain procedure.

Rami Saleh, Director of the Jerusalem Centre for Legal Aid and Human Rights, said there is an annual shortage of 1,500 housing units in Palestinian neighbourhoods to accommodate natural growth.

The shortage of housing units to alleviate overcrowding in East Jerusalem is estimated in the tens of thousands.

Despite this, Israel’s municipality only approves between 100-150 permits a year, forcing Palestinians to build illegally.

“The municipality does not want to give permits for (Palestinian) houses. They are saying that very frankly. They are forbidding us from building houses to build settlements and expand.”

Saleh said that it can take up to six years to finish the process of applying for a building permit, and ultimately permission is rarely granted to Palestinians.

There is also a huge financial burden to obtain building permits, which can cost as much as 110,000 shekels ($29,900) in taxes and legal fees, the equivalent cost of building a new house.

Given the financial and bureaucratic obstacles, many Palestinians choose to build illegally, incurring the threat of having their house demolished by Israeli authorities.

Since 2004, a total of 517 Palestinian homes have been demolished in East Jerusalem, leaving over 2,000 East Jerusalemites homeless, according to rights group B’Tselem.

Dr Rami Nasrallah, head of the  International Peace and Cooperation Centre  in Jerusalem, said around 22,000 Palestinian housing units out of a total of 45,000 in East Jerusalem have been built illegally.

Roughly 50 percent of all Palestinian homes in Jerusalem are under threat of being demolished.

“It’s two divided cities. The Palestinian city is totally divided from the Israeli side, except for the connection of Israeli spaces, like settlements,” Nasrallah said.

He estimates that at least 1.9 billion shekels ($518 million) would need to be invested in East Jerusalem to bridge the gap in housing, infrastructure and basic services. Currently, only around 10 percent of the city’s municipal budget is allocated to Palestinians, despite forming over 40 percent of the population.

Expansion of settlements

Palestinians in Jerusalem are faced with few choices when it comes to housing.

Residents can live in overcrowded conditions, leave the city and lose their residency rights, or build illegally and hope their home is not demolished.

Hagit Ofran said the looming threat of demolition is a useful tool for Israeli authorities to control the Palestinian population, a constant threat that implies “you have a lot to lose if you don’t behave.”

Jewish residents of Jerusalem face no such restrictions with regards to housing.

Unlike Palestinians, who have to initiate all planning and construction privately, Israeli Jewish citizens buy homes from contractors who have been allocated land by Israel’s government.

“On the west side, the housing ministry will build houses, announce their sale and encourage private companies to buy and contract them. Everything is well-planned,” Rami Saleh said.

The Israeli government considers Jerusalem its “eternal and undivided” capital, according to a basic law passed in 1980 by the Israeli Knesset, and does not differentiate between east and west in terms of sovereignty.

The international community has not recognised Jerusalem has Israel’s capital and sees all settlement building in the east as illegal.

This week, the Israeli government approved 2,610 housing units in the settlement of Givat Hamatos, nearly twice the amount required annually to accommodate the natural growth of Palestinian communities.

An additional 500 settler homes have been built in East Jerusalem since the beginning of 2014, representing roughly a quarter of all new Israeli Jewish homes in Jerusalem.

Around 200,000 Jewish settlers live in East Jerusalem, a 15 percent increase since 2000.

The increase in settlements means 39 percent of Jerusalem’s Jewish population now lives in East Jerusalem, Rami Saleh said.

In addition to ongoing construction in officially established settlements, around 2,000 settlers live in enclaves forcefully established in the heart of Palestinian neighbourhoods.

Only this week, settlers violently took over 25 Palestinian homes in the Silwan neighbourhood in East Jerusalem.

Similar enclaves have been established in the Old City, Sheikh Jarrah and al-Tur.

Rights group say the Jerusalem municipality provides the settlers with private security guards paid for by public taxes, while state forces accompany settlers during the often violent takeovers.

Ofran said the strategic settler enclaves in the heart of Palestinian communities are designed to gradually transform the neighbourhoods into Jewish areas, creating obstacles to challenging Israel’s sovereignty over East Jerusalem.

Settlement blocs in East Jerusalem, such as Pisgat Zeev, Neve Yaakov, Gilo, Har Homa, and Maale Adumim are designed for the same purpose: To separate East Jerusalem from the West Bank and ensure it never becomes part of a Palestinian state in any future peace agreement.

If you want more google it. You will find hundreds with facts numbers and links directly to the Israeli government.

You answered yes to that?

What do you want, for me to write it in blood? Y,es he said it. I wasn't disagreeing. The Palestinian leadership has sucked for a very long time.  I also posted that the Israeli leadership at the time wasn't happy with the Partition either; and backed it up with direct quotes. Anyone thinking that it would have lasted if the Palestinians has said yes is ignoring the facts.

By the way, Ronin, have you ever been to Israel, or are your comments based on only what is reported, even if it COULD be a "little" biased.

No, but I do know several Israeli Palestinians from when I was in college that were barred from returning to Israel. Seems their extended families in the West Bank and Gaza didn't like being occupied and were part of the PLO or Hamas. They were guilty by association. Of course they couldn't stay in the US either; and the government made sure none of them overstayed their student VISAs.  I don't know where they got the idea they were terrorists?/S Two of them are citizens of Canada now; and one became a cooperate lawyer and finally a US citizen.  Of course he was here illegally for most of college, and law school; but as soon as a major corporation wanted him his citizenship was rushed through.  None of them have ever been able to return to Israel.  I also know Israeli Jews as well. Nice people so long as you don't discuss Palestinians, the West Bank or Gaza, US aid to Israel, or politics in general. 

I could ask you the same thing. If you have been to Israel have you visited the Israeli Arab sections?  How the West Bank or Gaza? Have you experience the harassment that is the daily part of Palestinian lives of passing through check points daily? Have you talked to Palestinian farmers that cannot get to their crops because the gates at the wall aren't open at their scheduled times?

I have nothing against the Israelis or the Palestinians. They can get along just fine w/o US taxpayer money.  We need it here to fix problems in this country caused by decades of neglect. Throwing good money after bad at the ME, and expecting things to change isn't working. Time for the US to invest in ourselves for a change. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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5.1.2  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1.1    8 years ago
"Just Google how many times Temple Mount has been closed to Arabs/Palestinians. They are free to practice their religion when the Israelis say."

Probably as many times as the Arabs have thrown rocks down on the Jews praying below, or brought weapons onto the site to attack Jews or Christians who have the right to tour there - I guess I'm lucky because when I visited the Dome of the Rock I didn't get killed. You never answered my question about whether you were ever in Israel to see it with your own eyes but got all your information from biased reports.

I'm not going any further with this, not even going to read the rest of your comment. I didn't post this article for the purpose of giving you a stage to criticize Jews and Israel.

I don't intend to get into a further battle with you about how bad the Israeli Jews are to the Arabs - this article was about the betrayals of the western countries to the Jewish people and Israel so as far as I'm concerned you're off topic.  Why don't you start your own article listing all the bad things the Jews have done to the Arabs?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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5.1.3  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1.1    8 years ago
"Just Google how many times Temple Mount has been closed to Arabs/Palestinians. They are free to practice their religion when the Israelis say."

Probably as many times as the Arabs have thrown rocks down on the Jews praying below, or brought weapons onto the site to attack Jews or Christians who have the right to tour there - I guess I'm lucky because when I visited the Dome of the Rock I didn't get killed. Of course the Palestinians you met were not schooled in Jew-hatred so you got an unbiased report about Israel, right?  Yes, I have been to the West Bank, GUARDED.  Why guarded? This is why:

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I'm not going any further with this. I didn't post this article for the purpose of giving you a stage to criticize Jews and Israel.

I don't intend to get into a further battle with you about how bad the Israeli Jews are to the Arabs - this article was about the betrayals of the western countries to the Jewish people and Israel so as far as I'm concerned you're off topic.  You're not discussing the betrayals, but how rotten the Jews are.  Why don't you start your own article listing all the bad things the Jews have done to the Arabs?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6  seeder  Buzz of the Orient    8 years ago
"Israel will not make the concessions needed in terms of land and having a complete connected, viable Palestinian state"

Look at a map. How do you do that without splitting the Jewish state?  There is a solution - the Jordan Option.

As for the Stern gang - both sides have done regrettable things, but then the topic was the western betrayals, was it not?  However, if you want to start an article about who has been worse - the Arabs or the Jews, go ahead.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6.1  Ronin2  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    8 years ago
Look at a map. How do you do that without splitting the Jewish state? 

What part of unworkable do I have to explain? There is no solution, period. Neither side is willing to do what it takes to make it work. Even if by some miracle they were the radical elements of both would sabotage it.

There is a solution - the Jordan Option.

I have read about the Jordan solution. A different version of unworkable. You had better tell Jordan they are for it. They rejected the US proposal just recently.

Jordan on Sunday rejected a proposal, allegedly floated by US administration officials, calling for the creation of a Palestinian-Jordanian confederation.

Jordanian government spokeswoman Jumana Ghneimat said that joining the kingdom with the West Bank — the bulk of the area Palestinians want for a future state and controlled by Israeli since 1967 — is not a matter that is open for discussion.

In comments reported by the Khaberni news agency, Ghneimat said that “discussing the idea of a confederation with the regions of the West Bank is not possible.”

She clarified that Jordan’s position, which is based on the two-state solution of a Palestinian state alongside Israel, is fixed and clear.

I think the Jordanians will have to have their arms and legs broken; and might still resist before they take on the nightmare of transforming the West Bank.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6.1.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1    8 years ago

IMPASSE

 
 

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