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Obama Administration Used Tear Gas, Pepper Spray at Border Dozens of Times, CBP Data Shows

  

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Via:  96ws6  •  6 years ago  •  88 comments

Obama Administration Used Tear Gas, Pepper Spray at Border Dozens of Times, CBP Data Shows
the data also showed that the substance was deployed nearly the same number of times in fiscal years 2012 and 2013 under former President Barack Obama, with CBP using the substance 26 times in fiscal year 2012 and 27 times in fiscal year 2013.

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As the Trump administration continues to face widespread backlash over its use of tear gas against Central American asylum seekers at the southern border on Sunday, data from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency has shone a light on just how common the use of tear gas and pepper spray at the border really is. 

In a statement sent to  Newsweek  on Tuesday, the CBP said its personnel have been using tear gas, or 2- chlorobenzylidene malononitrile (CS) , since 2010, deploying the substance a total of 126 times since fiscal year 2012. 

Under President Donald Trump, CBP's use of the substance has hit a seven-year record high, with the agency deploying the substance a total of 29 times in fiscal year 2018, which ended on September 30, 2018, according to the agency's data.

However, the data also showed that the substance was deployed nearly the same number of times in fiscal years 2012 and 2013 under former President Barack Obama, with CBP using the substance 26 times in fiscal year 2012 and 27 times in fiscal year 2013.

CBP's use of tear gas appeared to decline in the following years, with 15 uses in fiscal year 2014, eight in fiscal year 2015 and even fewer in fiscal year 2016, with three recorded instances. 

As Trump took office, the numbers began to rise again in fiscal year 2017, climbing to 18 deployments of tear gas, before reaching fiscal year 2018's record high of 29 uses. 

CBP also noted in its statement that in addition to using tear gas, the agency also "regularly uses" Pava Capsaicin, or pepper spray. 

In terms of pepper spray use, deployments appeared to soar under the Obama administration, with CBP personnel using the substance 95 times in fiscal year 2012, a number that climbed to 151 in 2013, before dropping to 109 in fiscal year 2014. 

Instances of pepper spray use appeared to drop significantly in fiscal year 2015, declining to 30 instances of use, before rising to 49 instances in fiscal year 2016 and 56 in fiscal year 2017, which would have seen some overlap between Obama and Trump's presidencies. 

In fiscal year 2018, CBP said there were 43 recorded instances of pepper spray use under Trump. 

CBP has not immediately responded to a request for records outlining why tear gas and pepper spray were used in instances recorded since fiscal year 2012. 

In a statement emailed to  Newsweek,  CBP spokeswoman Stephanie Malin said that more than 1,000 individuals who were part of the "so-called caravan" "attempted to cross illegally into the U.S. by breaching section of the fence and using vehicle lanes in and near the San Ysidro Port of Entry" on Sunday.

"The group ignored law enforcement agencies in Mexico and assaulted U.S. Federal Officers and Agents assigned to respond to the situation in San Diego," Malin said. 

The CBP spokesperson said that "in response to the assaults and to defuse this dangerous situation, trained CBP personnel employed less-lethal devices to stop the actions of assaultive individuals attempting to break into the U.S." 

Malin said that CBP had been "preparing for weeks" for situations like the one that unfolded at the border on Sunday. 

"We have seen the use of violence by members of this so-called caravan who have attacked law enforcement personnel in Guatemala, Mexico and now the U.S.," the CBP spokesperson said. 

She said that the agency "takes Sunday's employment of use-of-force very seriously," adding that the agency "reviews and evaluates all uses of force incidents to ensure compliance with policy." 

While CBP has said that some asylum seekers threw projectiles at Border Patrol agents, striking some personnel, the faction that rushed the border on Sunday represented a small group of the thousands of asylum seekers currently waiting in Mexican border town Tijuana to make their asylum claims at the U.S. border.

In a statement released by the Mexican government on Monday, Mexico's interior ministry reported through the National Institute of Migration that 98 people were slated to be deported to their home countries in connection with "violent" behavior at the U.S.-Mexico border. 

Meanwhile, thousands of others face weeks, if not months of waiting in Tijuana to make their asylum claims in the U.S., with the San Ysidro Port of Entry only seeing around 100 claims or fewer processed each day.


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96WS6
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1  seeder  96WS6    6 years ago

At this point sheeple who aren't aware of, or deny blatant media bias showcase their own hypocrisy and/or stupidity.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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1.1  Cerenkov  replied to  96WS6 @1    6 years ago

Oh look. More evidence of leftist hypocrisy and TDS.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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2  It Is ME    6 years ago

Mr. Obama would have never done something like that. Just like he would have never caged "Illegals". jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

Obama was the "Savior" of the "NEW WORLD ORDER ? " after all ! jrSmiley_20_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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2.1  KDMichigan  replied to  It Is ME @2    6 years ago
Obama was the "Savior" of the "NEW WORLD ORDER ? " after all ! 

I'm surprised the community organizer didn't call for drone strikes on the border. jrSmiley_30_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JBB
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3  JBB    6 years ago

"Obama did it, too". Are you fucking kidding me? Is that your new standard?

 
 
 
It Is ME
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3.1  It Is ME  replied to  JBB @3    6 years ago
"Obama did it, too". Are you fucking kidding me? Is that your new standard?

One "Good" turn deserves another ?

What's "Good" for the Goose is "Good" for the Gander ?

 
 
 
96WS6
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3.2  seeder  96WS6  replied to  JBB @3    6 years ago

Not the point of the seed.  See comment 1.   How come no one heard of this before and why weren't you outraged then?/s

BTW thanks for unwittingly proving my point.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.4  Ronin2  replied to  JBB @3    6 years ago

Is hypocrisy this left's new standard? The media did not report on it. The Democrats and their followers didn't care. Obama had the almighty D behind his name- so it didn't matter.

The only issue the left has is that Hillary was too stupid (twice) to know how the electoral college worked; and that she was more despised than even Trump. The media created Trump because they thought Hillary would have no problem defeating him, and now they can't control him.

I doubt that Trump can win a second term- unless Hillary decides she is the best option again- and the Clinton machine submarines all of the Dem candidates. Then you, the rest of the left, and the media can go back to ignoring anything the POTUS does.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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3.4.1  Studiusbagus  replied to  Ronin2 @3.4    6 years ago
The media did not report on it. The Democrats and their followers didn't care. Obama had the almighty D behind his name- so it didn't matter.

What a load of shit that is.

Trump brought this coverage on himself. 

Obama's not the one running around with a flaming raccoon on his head shouting about the caravan containing murderers, mules, sex traffikers, thieves and rapists. Without a single shred of evidence.

Of course the press will cover that...he brought it on. Otherwise, it was Tuesday.

 
 
 
96WS6
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3.4.2  seeder  96WS6  replied to  Studiusbagus @3.4.1    6 years ago

In denial of media bias much?  LMFAO!

So you think you should have been kept in the dark when BO did it but are outraged now becuse it's Trump.

You guys just cant help unwittingly proving the articles point, can you?   

Just curious?  How did you explain photos of kids in cages taken during BO's reign being used as as political fodder for Trump?

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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3.5  Cerenkov  replied to  JBB @3    6 years ago

Nice deflection! I think the actual subject is liberal hypocrisy and faux outrage. Can you respond coherently?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.7  Ozzwald  replied to  JBB @3    6 years ago
"Obama did it, too". Are you fucking kidding me? Is that your new standard?

It's an entire seed of WHATABOUTISM.  They must be getting even more desperate.

whataboutism-everywhere.jpg

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.7.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @3.7    6 years ago

[deleted] get their panties in a wad over things happening under the Trump Administration, and remained silent when the exact same things happened under the Obama Administration, then that is rank hypocrisy--not whataboutism.

Please learn the difference.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.7.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Ozzwald @3.7    6 years ago
They must be getting even more desperate

Nope, just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left every chance we get.

 
 
 
96WS6
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3.7.3  seeder  96WS6  replied to  Ozzwald @3.7    6 years ago

Whataboutism is the new word for Liberal Hypocrisy.   Got it.

 
 
 
JBB
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3.7.4  JBB  replied to  96WS6 @3.7.3    6 years ago

Are yours guys havin fun yet? For Christ Sake! Nobody ever said Obama was pro illegal immigration. He deported more undocumented border jumpers and visa jumpers than any President before him even dreamed of. Obama was though not known for having a particular hardon for poor brown refugees fleeing wartorn homelands. In any case, whoever said Obama was not an establishment politician?

Obama is culturally a white ivy league Kansan trapped in a beige body. He never even lived in a black household until he married Michelle. So what? He is also now the retired and honored two term former President of the United States of America and The Most Admired Man in the World for the last ten years running. None of that will ever be truly spoken of Donald Trump except for the former President part and that is what really burns you...

Oh, while y'all were distracting yourselves with this more and more evidence of Trump and Co conspiring with our enemies to violate our election laws is in the news again today. Slowly they turn. Inch by inch. Step by step. And then POW! Right in the impeachment. Yeah that right, Nancy Polosi will be The Speaker of the House, again, in about five weeks. BWAHAHAHAHAHA...

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.7.5  bugsy  replied to  Ozzwald @3.7    6 years ago
It's an entire seed of WHATABOUTISM.

You know...you're right. I remember a short ten years to about three years ago that whenever Obama was criticized for something, we heard the collective liberal cry...."But Buuuuuuuusssshhhhh". Pain in the ass, wasn't it?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.7.6  Tacos!  replied to  Ozzwald @3.7    6 years ago
It's an entire seed of WHATABOUTISM.

You people need to learn there is a difference between whataboutism and pointing out hypocrisy.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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3.7.7  livefreeordie  replied to  JBB @3.7.4    6 years ago

There’s yet to be any existence of the non existent crime of election collusion with the Russians and no one has been indicted for this non existent crime.

Pelosi may yet be Speaker but cannot get any leftist legislation signed into law and has zero power over the Senate confirmation of judges and justices

 
 
 
JBB
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3.7.9  JBB  replied to  livefreeordie @3.7.7    6 years ago

Maybe not, but Pelosi can impeach Trump for his high crimes...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.7.10  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @3.7.9    6 years ago

Yeah, but she has nothing to do with the determination of guilt or innocence.

She can't remove Trump.

 
 
 
lennylynx
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3.7.11  lennylynx  replied to  JBB @3.7.9    6 years ago

President Pelosi has a nice ring to it.

 
 
 
lennylynx
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3.7.13  lennylynx  replied to    6 years ago

I don't think she is going to RUN for President.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.7.14  arkpdx  replied to  lennylynx @3.7.11    6 years ago

That must be some strong recreational pharmaceuticals you using there. 

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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3.7.15  Studiusbagus  replied to    6 years ago
Please run her please

Won't need to. Pence is in this up to his eyeballs. Boot the both, send the Trumps to prison and she's now the President and you won't even have to put your slippers on.

 
 
 
lennylynx
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3.7.17  lennylynx  replied to  arkpdx @3.7.14    6 years ago

You're.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.7.19  Texan1211  replied to  Studiusbagus @3.7.15    6 years ago

Do you happen to live in a state where marijuana is now legal?

 
 
 
lennylynx
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3.7.20  lennylynx  replied to    6 years ago

Aerosmith.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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3.7.21  Studiusbagus  replied to    6 years ago

Your comment brings a Arrow smith...

[Deleted]

Aerosmith

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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3.7.23  livefreeordie  replied to  JBB @3.7.9    6 years ago

She won’t do it because it would go nowhere in the Senate

it could bring us to a second civil war if that’s what you want

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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3.7.24  livefreeordie  replied to  Studiusbagus @3.7.15    6 years ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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3.7.25  Studiusbagus  replied to  livefreeordie @3.7.23    6 years ago
it could bring us to a second civil war if that’s what you want

Now that was fucking stupid.

 
 
 
96WS6
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3.7.26  seeder  96WS6  replied to  JBB @3.7.4    6 years ago

Still missing what this has to do with blatant media bias.

 
 
 
Spikegary
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3.7.27  Spikegary  replied to  JBB @3.7.9    6 years ago

Um, no she can't.  She can forward articles of impeachment to the Senate for consideration, if she has enough votes to do that.  The other side of that sword blade is that the vorters can and will see that when it came time to legislate and help every American Citizen, that she and her sheeple opted for doing nothing but going the Don Quixote route of tilting at windmills-without a prayer of ever seeing success.

That's a strategic plan, alright.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.7.28  Ronin2  replied to  JBB @3.7.4    6 years ago

Please stop with the lie. Obama's own Homeland Security Head admitted Obama changed the way deportees were counted.  Unless he was lying to Congress.

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson acknowledged Tuesday that his department’s deportation numbers are now mostly made up of illegal immigrants caught at the border, not just those from the interior, which means they can’t be compared one-to-one with deportations under President Bush or other prior administrations.

The administration has argued it is tougher on illegal immigration than previous presidents, and immigrant-rights groups have excoriated President Obama, calling him the “deporter-in-chief” for having kicked out nearly 2 million immigrants during his five-year tenure.

But Republican critics have argued those deportation numbers are artificially inflated because more than half of those being deported were new arrivals, caught at the border by the U.S. Border Patrol. Previous administrations primarily counted only those caught in the interior of the U.S. by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

“Under the Obama administration , more than half of those removals that were attributed to ICE are actually a result of Border Patrol arrests that wouldn’t have been counted in prior administrations,” said Rep. John Culberson, Texas Republican.

“Correct,” Mr. Johnson confirmed.

That would mean that in a one-to-one comparison with the final years of the Bush administration, deportations of those same people under Mr. Obama had actually fallen, according to immigration analysts who have studied the  data.

Two more sources just to refute the lie.

But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.

Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.

On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's deportation statistics.

The vast majority of those border crossers would not have been treated as formal deportations under most previous administrations. If all removals were tallied, the total sent back to Mexico each year would have been far higher under those previous administrations than it is now.

The shift in who gets tallied helped the administration look tough in its early years but now may be backfiring politically. Immigration advocates plan protests across the country this week around what they say will be the 2 millionth deportation under Obama — a mark expected to be hit in the next few days. And Democratic strategists fret about a decline in Latino voter turnout for this fall's election.

Until recent years, mostpeople caught illegally crossing the southern border were simply bused back into Mexico in what officials called "voluntary returns," but which critics derisively termed "catch and release." Those removals, which during the 1990s reached more 1 million a year, were not counted in Immigration and Customs Enforcement's deportation statistics.

Now, the vast majority of border crossers who are apprehended get fingerprinted and formally deported. The change began during the George W. Bush administration and accelerated under Obama. The policy stemmed in part from a desire to ensure that people who had crossed into the country illegally would have formal charges on their records.

In the Obama years, all of the increase in deportations has involved people picked up within 100 miles of the border, most of whom have just recently crossed over. In 2013, almost two-thirds of deportations were in that category.

At the same time, the administration largely ended immigration roundups at workplaces and shifted investigators into targeting business owners who illegally hired foreign workers.

"If you are a run-of-the-mill immigrant here illegally, your odds of getting deported are close to zero — it's just highly unlikely to happen," John Sandweg, until recently the acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said in an interview.

Even when immigration officials want to deport someone who already has settled in the country, doing so is "virtually impossible" because of a lengthy backlog in the immigration courts, Sandweg said. Once people who have no prior removals or convictions are placed in deportation proceedings, actually removing them from the country can take six years or more in some jurisdictions, Sandweg said.

Deportations of people apprehended in the interior of the U.S., which the immigration agency defines as more than 100 miles from the border, dropped from 237,941 in Obama's first year to 133,551 in 2013, according to immigration data. Four out of five of those deportees came to the attention of immigration authorities after criminal convictions.

Many of those convictions are related to crossing the border — the other big consequence of the change in the way border removals are handled.

A growing number of people caught trying to cross the border now have a formal deportation order on their records. Entering the country without legal authorization is not a crime. But once a person has been deported, he can be prosecuted if he reenters the country.

"The statistics are actually a little deceptive," Obama said last month during a discussion with Hispanic journalists. There has been "a much greater emphasis on criminals than non-criminals." And "with stronger border enforcement, we've been apprehending folks at the borders and sending them back. That is counted as a deportation even though they may have only been held for a day or 48 hours."
Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, noted Obama's remarks Wednesday, saying he's "frustrated about the administration's deceptive marketing tactics in claiming that they have deported more undocumented people than ever before."
The administration is "playing a double game," argued Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which favors tighter immigration restrictions. "They're telling (pro-immigration) advocacy groups that they're focusing on the worst of the worst" by committing more resources to the most dangerous undocumented immigrants.
"But they're telling the broader public they've achieved record levels of deportations. It's a clever spin."
So what are the facts? Nearly 400,000 individuals were removed from the country in fiscal year 2011, which ended September 30, according to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency. ICE Director John Morton trumpeted the news, calling it the result of "smart and effective immigration enforcement" that depends on "setting clear priorities for removal and executing on those priorities."
The 396,906 figure is indeed a record -- but not by much. A total of 392,862 people were deported in 2010 -- a difference of little more than 1%, according to ICE. Almost 390,000 people were deported the year before that.
Significantly larger increases in the total number of deportations occurred during George W. Bush's administration. Fewer than 120,000 people were deported in 2001, when Bush took office.
 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JBB @3    6 years ago

Nope, just truth and reality.

 
 
 
charger 383
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4  charger 383    6 years ago

If both Obama and Trump did it, how can anybody make an objection and be taken serious?

 
 
 
96WS6
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4.1  seeder  96WS6  replied to  charger 383 @4    6 years ago

Well the media will keep doing their best to make sure no one knows BO did it and to demonize Trump for doing it and there are a lot of (willingly?) ignorant people so...

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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4.1.1  Studiusbagus  replied to  96WS6 @4.1    6 years ago
Well the media will keep doing their best to make sure no one knows BO did it

And yet you pulled this from the very media you're bashing.

Sure glad you checked that out before lying about it.

A quick Google shows WaPo, USA Today, newsweek, free beacon and several others reported this.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.2  bugsy  replied to  Studiusbagus @4.1.1    6 years ago

OK, so they reported on it...where was your outrage about it?

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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4.1.3  Cerenkov  replied to  bugsy @4.1.2    6 years ago

Faux outrage takes time to prepare... And the occasional advice from crisis actors...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @4.1.2    6 years ago

There was no outrage.

They only found their "conscience" when a Republican Administration does the exact same thing.

Isn't that just SHOCKING?!?!

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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4.1.5  Studiusbagus  replied to  bugsy @4.1.2    6 years ago

No outrage because I already knew.

And you won't find a damn thing.from me about Trump doing it either.

It's non-lethal.

 The only thing that brought this much attention is Trump himself. Obama didn't send the military, he sidn't throw out lies about who's in the caravan, he didn't lie about Mexico agreeing to shelter them.

 Trump made this a grandstand moment and it has now come back to bite him in the ass like most everything he's doing and taking credit for. 

 
 
 
96WS6
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4.1.6  seeder  96WS6  replied to  Studiusbagus @4.1.1    6 years ago

why don't you post the links so we can compare the stories?/S

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5  Ed-NavDoc    6 years ago

Never use logic and common sense on progressive liberals or the truth. Their minds just cannot handle it and implode!jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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5.1  Cerenkov  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5    6 years ago

Would that be a bad thing? 

 
 
 
96WS6
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5.2  seeder  96WS6  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5    6 years ago

They just avoid it alltogether, as is evident by the number participating in this discuccion....

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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5.3  Studiusbagus  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5    6 years ago

Does that mean you won't disappear when your comments can't be backed up and then the truth debunks you?

Talk about imploding!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5.3.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Studiusbagus @5.3    6 years ago

I have never backed down yet. If someone proves me wrong I am man enough to admit it. I cannot say the same for a great many hard core progressive leftist liberals I have seen posting on Newstalkers. You have a nice day now

 
 
 
MrFrost
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7  MrFrost    6 years ago

It was bad when Obama did it, it's bad when trump does it. Simple as that. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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7.1  livefreeordie  replied to  MrFrost @7    6 years ago

Nonsense. We have a right to secure our borders against invaders committing violence against us

 
 
 
MrFrost
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7.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @7.1    6 years ago
Nonsense.

So It was bad when Obama did it, and good when Trump does it? THAT'S your argument? LMFAO!!!!!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.2  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @7    6 years ago

That would be a LITTLE bit more believable IF Democrats had been up in arms when it happened under the Obama Administration.

But the silent left has NO credibility now after not saying a word when it happened under Obama.

THAT is hypocrisy, any way you slice it.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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7.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2    6 years ago

When and where did i say it was ok when it happened under Obama? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @7.2.1    6 years ago

When and where did you condemn the actions of the Obama Administration for doing exactly what the Trump Administration is doing now?

 
 
 
MrFrost
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7.2.3  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.2    6 years ago
When and where did you condemn the actions of the Obama Administration for doing exactly what the Trump Administration is doing now?

Um, #7?

Short memory?

It was bad when Obama did it, it's bad when trump does it. Simple as that. 
 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @7.2.3    6 years ago

Did you complain WHEN it occurred under the Obama Administration, or only NOW?

Please don't be disingenuous.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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7.2.5  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.4    6 years ago
Did you complain WHEN it occurred under the Obama Administration,

Um, yes, I did actually. Any other questions? Here is one for you..

Do you condemn trump for doing exactly what Obama did? Of course not.. 

SMFH

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @7.2.5    6 years ago

Hell NO I didn't condemn Trump for what happened, JUST LIKE I NEVER CONDEMNED OBAMA WHEN IT HAPPENED UNDER HIM.

See, I want a President to protect our borders. And enforce immigration laws.

 
 
 
lennylynx
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7.2.7  lennylynx  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.6    6 years ago

You may not have condemned him but you refused to give Obama credit for how tough he was on illegal immigration.  The illegal entry problem basically ended under Obama.  It was no longer a problem when Trump took over and it's not a problem now.  Trump just wants to heap gratuitous cruelty on desperate refugees to please his bloodthirsty, hate-filled base.  Trump's a sick fuck and you know it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  lennylynx @7.2.7    6 years ago

So what? I didn't sing Obama's praises enough for you? That's too bad. Hell, I don't like how you never seem to give credit to Trump for anything, but that isn't the topic, now is it?

Why are you bringing that up when the discussion is whether I condemned Obama for the tear gas used under him?

Keep moving those goalposts, buddy!

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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7.2.9  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  lennylynx @7.2.7    6 years ago
The illegal entry problem basically ended under Obama.  It was no longer a problem when Trump took over and it's not a problem now. 

I think we have a new problem now. I think its also because we didn't do squat to squash it when we maybe could have. These countries overflowing with people exiting didn't happen overnight, In The past we did stuff to help stabilize our neighbors when and where we could to help keep this exact thing from happening . This time I don't think we did shit. Now we have a problem.

Trump just wants to heap gratuitous cruelty on desperate refugees to please his bloodthirsty, hate-filled base.

First I dont think trump thinks that far in advance, second I don't think he thinks some stuff thru a lot if he give it much thought at all. Look at his instantaneous zero release immigration debacle not so long ago that I think we're still paying for and cleaning up. No detailed planning it  seems. I look for more of that. 

Trump does what gives him power and he is an opportunist, however I doubt he "engineered" any of this. 

 
 
 
96WS6
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7.2.10  seeder  96WS6  replied to  lennylynx @7.2.7    6 years ago

 Catch and reelase is not tough on immigration it is a plot to grow constituency.

 
 
 
PJ
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7.2.11  PJ  replied to  96WS6 @7.2.10    6 years ago

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Tessylo
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7.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  lennylynx @7.2.7    6 years ago

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Ronin2
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7.2.13  Ronin2  replied to  lennylynx @7.2.7    6 years ago
The illegal entry problem basically ended under Obama.  It was no longer a problem when Trump took over and it's not a problem now. 

You are too funny. So Obama stopped the illegal entry problem? Got any proof of that? I won't hold my breath waiting. 

It was no longer a problem when Trump took over and it's not a problem now.

What do you call the caravan that is at our border now that has swollen to over 8,500, with at two more caravans forming in South America? Future Democrat voters?/S

Trump just wants to heap gratuitous cruelty on desperate refugees to please his bloodthirsty, hate-filled base. 

And the left wants to lie and say most of the caravan is women and children; which has been proven to be repeatedly false. Most of the caravan is made of young adult, working age, males.  They violently crossed Mexico's southern border; and they are now trying to violently enter the US. Most will not qualify for amnesty; since economic hardship not a valid reason under the law.

Trump's a sick fuck and you know it.

Yes, and those with TDS are sick fucks and we know that as well. Trump wasn't my choice for POTUS; but the Dems ran someone even more despised than Trump; and still hasn't learned how the electoral college works. 

Trump actually did something right; and it is driving the left around the bend.

 
 
 
96WS6
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7.3  seeder  96WS6  replied to  MrFrost @7    6 years ago

The problem is when BO did this and putt kids in cages and deported illegals no one had a problem with it.  Now all of a sudden the world is coming to and end./s   

The question at hand is why didn't it matter when BO did it?  How come it wasn't front page news that BO gassed cheldren and caged them using the laws CLINTON put in place?

 
 
 
PJ
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7.3.1  PJ  replied to  96WS6 @7.3    6 years ago

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livefreeordie
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9  livefreeordie    6 years ago

Sunday’s border violence

“Some migrants threw rocks, and U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers responded with tear gas to disrupt the crowds.

San Diego’s chief Border Patrol agent Rodney Scott went on CNN on Monday to discuss agents’ response.

On whether the migrants at the border are really asylum seekers:

“I do not believe that is true. I believe there are definitely people in that group that are going to try to claim asylum. The vast majority of those, from what we call the northern triangle, are economic migrants, though. They do not meet the qualifications to get asylum here. They can still apply. That’s a different issue. However, what I saw at on the border (Sunday) was not people walking up to Border Patrol agents and asking to claim asylum. Matter of fact, one of the groups that I watched — one of the groups that actually, several of them were arrested — they passed 10 or 15 marked Border Patrol units walking west to east, numerous uniformed personnel. They were chanting, waving the Honduran flag and throwing rocks at the agents. If they were truly asylum seekers, they would have just walked up with their hands up and surrendered and that did not take place.”

On the use of tear gas on women and children:

“When the threat is to our personnel or to protect others, you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do. What I find unconscionable is that people would intentionally take children into this situation. What we saw over and over (Sunday) was that the group, the ‘caravan’ as we call them, would push women and children toward the front and then begin basically rocking our agents. So there’s different types of tools we use, different types of CS (gas) deployment. We try to target specifically the instigators, specifically the person assaulting the agent, but as you saw from the video, once that chemical is released it does go through the air. I was in an area where I actually inhaled quite a bit of it (Sunday) as well. That’s what’s going to happen in those situations.”

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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9.1  Cerenkov  replied to  livefreeordie @9    6 years ago

These invaders are despicable. 

 
 
 
PJ
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9.1.1  PJ  replied to  Cerenkov @9.1    6 years ago

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PJ
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9.1.2  PJ  replied to  PJ @9.1.1    6 years ago

ARGH.....I've been censored!

My freedom of speech is under attack!!!!!   Egads

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I would just like to say that I think my comment was very valuable.  

 
 

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