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Household net worth falls by largest amount since the Great Recession, new Fed data shows

  

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Via:  ender  •  7 years ago  •  106 comments

Household net worth falls by largest amount since the Great Recession, new Fed data shows

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Total household net worth in the fourth quarter of 2018 dropped by the largest amount since the fourth quarter of 2008 when the country was amid a steep recession, according to  data released Thursday   by the Federal Reserve.

Total household net worth is a measure of the assets — such as homes, stocks and bank accounts — owned by American families and nonprofits minus their debts. In the fourth quarter of 2018, it fell by about $3.7 trillion, a 3.5 percent quarterly decline. Going back to 1952, the start of the Fed’s data, only three quarters — the third and fourth quarters of 2008, and the second quarter of 1962 — posted bigger declines in household net worth, percentage-wise.

The data shows   that change was driven by the poor performance of the stock market in the fourth quarter of last year. The flailing market erased $4.6 trillion in assets from household and nonprofit balance sheets, which was offset somewhat by gains in real estate and other assets. 

The typical American household, however, may not feel much of a financial pinch as a result of the drop. For starters, stocks have since   recovered much of their late 2018 losses , although they remain below the record highs set earlier in the year. 

More important, most of the household wealth in the United States is   owned by the country’s richest families . In 2016, for instance, the top 1 percent of families owned 40 percent of all household wealth, with the next 9 percent of families holding an additional 39 percent. That leaves 21 percent of the country’s net worth for the remaining 90 percent of American families.

Furthermore,   about half of American families don’t own any stocks , while the top 10 percent of families control about 84 percent of the stock market.

Taken together, the numbers are a reminder that   the stock market is not the economy , and that big national-level data sets may not necessarily reflect financial reality for typical American families, many of whom live   paycheck to paycheck   and   struggle to meet even small unexpected expenses .

Christopher Ingraham


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Ender
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1  seeder  Ender    7 years ago

The great divide.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ender @1    7 years ago

only thing great about it, is the amount, 

but again , in Trumps' make America, so sewer Grate,

he exceeds all expectations, as he is also again, accepted by the hypocritical heathens , high on how low they can go, cause blow by blow, they knock down, what they say they build up,

they lower US All, because they believe tales so tall, deficits so small, prejudice & Hate so apparent, while denying the obvious the only thing more  childish

while threatening WAR, they tell us to go Fish, 

while we can only 

toss a coin and make a wish

that their       Well Being

winds up too deep for any to hear their cries and pleas for help , and the rope winds up too long for they to hang themselves, as it all pales in comparison to comparisons of other excuses they continuously attempt to use for this ruse , that is so obvious an abuse, as they cry and grow bawled , while heir apparent and

,

 in truth, we should all be

appalled   

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2  igknorantzrulz    7 years ago

just looked up what is needed to be in the 10% club

,

not really all that much. 

So Jack, i will apologize, but only for myself being ignorant,

something others might want to attempt now and then when true

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1  Jack_TX  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2    7 years ago
just looked up what is needed to be in the 10% club

,

not really all that much. 

You're right.  It really isn't.  It's a lot to me, though.  It hasn't been easy getting here.

Apology accepted.  

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1    7 years ago
It's a lot to me, though.  It hasn't been easy getting here.

i don't currently, but i used to make far more than that annually, till i had to close my small "corporation", as i could not compete with companies employing illegals, and i, stupidly possibly, refused to go that route.

i know a little bit about 80 hour weeks, and not only was i sole proprietor in the beginning, i was also a singlparently responsible for raising a small child who is now grown, myself, with only my family for support.

So congratulations on hard work, as some of us out here, worked hard as well, and appreciate it.

Now, back to where we differ, the people who have profited via unlevel playing fields, should upset us all, just my opinion

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.2  Jack_TX  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.1    7 years ago
Now, back to where we differ, the people who have profited via unlevel playing fields, should upset us all, just my opinion

I was an athlete growing up.  I've been a coach most of my adult life.  There is no such thing as a level playing field, and there never has been. 

Some people are born with genetic advantages like size or speed or high testosterone or sharper minds. 

Some are born with money.  Some are born with good parents who support and push them, or families with high expectations.  Some get to go to good schools.  Some encounter mentors who invest in them.  Some get their college paid for, some can earn it on the basketball court and some can earn it in the classroom.

For every person that gets a break like that, there is somebody who doesn't.  The field is never level, hasn't ever been level, and is impossible to level while we still allow people to raise their own kids.  There is no value in being upset by it, any more than there is value in being upset by cold weather.

There is value is doing the very best you can with the things you can actually control. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.1.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.2    7 years ago
For every person that gets a break like that, there is somebody who doesn't.

False.

your response in no way delves into the inequalities i speak of.

For one to crack the 1% bubble, doesn't even come close to those truly in control, as the top 1% of the 1% bubble is so far off the charts, you need a movie screen or larger to comprehend , how so FCKN FEW, control as much wealth as SO FCKN MANY !

It is not as simple as you try and explain it to be. So either you are not comprehending it, selling it as FAR LESS than it actually is, or barking at the moon because you are a loon,    i just don't know, so ill not speculate

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.4  Jack_TX  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.3    7 years ago
For one to crack the 1% bubble, doesn't even come close to those truly in control, as the top 1% of the 1% bubble is so far off the charts, you need a movie screen or larger to comprehend , how so FCKN FEW, control as much wealth as SO FCKN MANY !

Two questions:

1.  Why do you care?

2.  What do you want done about it?

It is not as simple as you try and explain it to be. So either you are not comprehending it, selling it as FAR LESS than it actually is, or barking at the moon because you are a loon,    i just don't know, so ill not speculate

You've moved the discussion from 10% to .01%.  That's a different discussion.  But let's decide here whether or not you're intelligent enough to discuss without abuse.  If not, let's call it off now.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.5  seeder  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.2    7 years ago

And some people will do their very best their whole life and never make anymore than 50k a year.

In one breath you say people are lazy then in the next breath you say there are disadvantages.

That is trying to have it both ways.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.1.6  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ender @2.1.5    7 years ago
trying to have it both ways

as is the typical, when i have 'discussions' with someone who doesn't seem to know 'Jack' about some things, 

but plenty about others.

Sorry Jack, guess i'm not 'intelligent ' enough to keep up with your ever varying narratives, that i varied to via a few % points

but ,

oh well        Apples      

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.1.7  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.4    7 years ago
let's decide here whether or not you're intelligent enough to discuss without abuse.

is that some sort of challenge , there Jack >?//

cause , i'm self uneducated , so have at it, but please, do go easy on me, as i'm sure you've heard that line before

like a Father,speaking to an Altered Boy about his sister getting none, c'mon jack , this should be FUN

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.8  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @2.1.5    7 years ago
And some people will do their very best their whole life and never make anymore than 50k a year.

I suspect you and I have very different definitions of "their very best".

In one breath you say people are lazy then in the next breath you say there are disadvantages. That is trying to have it both ways.

Why should those two be mutually exclusive?  There are lazy people.  That is a fact.  There are also people born with advantages that others don't have.  That's also a fact.  How is this juxtaposition causing you problems, exactly?

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.9  seeder  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.8    7 years ago

My 'juxtaposition' is trying to blame the widening gap on lazy people. In fact, I would say the opposite. I would say it is greed. Monopolies rule.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.1.10  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ender @2.1.9    7 years ago
it is greed. Monopolies rule.

just as i had to close a legal business, as i could not compete with those skirting laws, 

this is where Jack doesn't seem to know Jack, yet again, though, he seems not to mean well.

Do businesses lying about employees equate to not enough hard work ?

There is NO equal playing field, he states, because i won't break the damn Law ?

Since Jack doesn't want to play with me any longer , i apologize to making my point via you Ender, but not allowed to return to sender, as i'm not "intelligent": enuff, oh well, maybe someday i'll be able to know Jack,

till then,

it is obvious

u n i   don't know Jack

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.11  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @2.1.9    7 years ago
My 'juxtaposition' is trying to blame the widening gap on lazy people.

Do cite me on that.  Or did you want to go ahead and admit you're just making shit up?

In fact, I would say the opposite. I would say it is greed. Monopolies rule.

The widening gap is due to the failure of our public education system, and the vast disparity in the quality of "graduates" it produces.  That's been going on for decades, and we're seeing the consequences.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.12  Jack_TX  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.7    7 years ago
is that some sort of challenge , there Jack >

Nah.  Just checking to see if you can manage it.

Not looking good.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.1.13  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.12    7 years ago

if you believe you can "manage" me

oh, oh i would truly n joy and love ta see

Jack, Jack "manage" me.

I know i'm self uneducated, but somehow

I MANAGE   

 

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.14  seeder  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.11    7 years ago

Cite you on what? What you have been implying all along?

Did you never bring up people being lazy?

I see it is now all the fault of public education. Don't tell me, now you think all education should be private....

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.15  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @2.1.14    7 years ago
Cite you on what? What you have been implying all along?

You mean what you have been inferring all along.  Incorrectly, BTW.

Did you never bring up people being lazy?

Sure.  Did I say they were the cause of a widening gap?  Or did I say that hard work on its own has never been enough?  

I see it is now all the fault of public education. Don't tell me, now you think all education should be private....

You should really stop guessing at what I think.  You're terrible at it.   Both of my kids went to public schools.  And yeah...we could have afforded private.

I just think we need to raise academic standards and modernize curriculum.  

When you have some kids graduating high school having taken advanced calculus and others that can't pass Algebra II, they don't have equal opportunities, now do they?   Further, why aren't we teaching kids about money?  Why is P.E. unchanged since 1950?  Why can't kids get HVAC or plumbing training in HS so they can start journeyman programs when they graduate?

Our educational system is 50 years behind our economy, and it's usually the poor kids who get left behind.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.16  seeder  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.15    7 years ago
You mean what you have been inferring all along

I have never inferred anything. Just going by what others say. Including you.

I can get the gist of what is going on without having to dissect every sentence.

To me that is looking for something.

As far as PS101 I would rather not go down that route as not to derail very much.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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2.1.17  Studiusbagus  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1.1    7 years ago
till i had to close my small "corporation", as i could not compete with companies employing illegals, and i, stupidly possibly, refused to go that route.

Nothing stupid about that.

If it interrupts my sleep for a milisecond, it's gone.

So many times I could have lied or omitted information even to the demise of my deal.

Then, that ONE comes along and depressingly in the sake of honesty, you divulge to the customer what he didn't want to hear. Only to have them call back and say "fix my problem". Not "how much?" Just "fix my problem because you were the only one that was willing to walk away based on your findings, and you told us about it. To the other four I went back and they confirmed but didn't disclose.

That's when I slept best.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.18  bugsy  replied to  Ender @2.1.5    7 years ago
And some people will do their very best their whole life

Subjective only. Some sit on their asses all day collecting welfare and say "Well, I did my best".

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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3  Hal A. Lujah    7 years ago

It’s hard to have net worth when you’re handcuffed to a medical system whose prices skyrocket while pay languishes.  That’s just simple math.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1  seeder  Ender  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3    7 years ago

Add to that sending kids to college at 15k or more a year.

I know people that have wiped out any and all savings just for that.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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3.1.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Ender @3.1    7 years ago

And rent.  My first apartment 30 years ago was $250/mo.  In my area a shitty apartment starts at about five times that amount.  If wages followed that kind of growth, I’d be a millionaire by now.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6  JohnRussell    7 years ago

When you have the majority of Americans unable to sustain an emergency that would cost more than 500 dollars without borrowing money, you have an economy that doesnt work.

That is not opinion, guesswork or supposition. It is truth.

People like Jack can call it laziness or stupidity or whatever they want, the reality is that the economy does not work for most people. Since we have majority rule in America, the TRUE populist politicians would be trying to think of ways to remedy the problem, not saying "those are the breaks".

For decades much of the boom in the economy has come from consumer spending fueled by debt. The average balance on household credit cards is in the many thousands of dollars. Americans are hooked on having the latest phones and tv's , even or especially when they cannot "afford" them. Most people are deluged with offers of credit , either in the mail or through advertising. Advertising works. So debt helps create the illusion of a totally prosperous population. I believe wages have not or have barely kept up with inflation. Not to the extent that can fuel a keeping up with the jones's lifestyle without debt.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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6.2  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @6    7 years ago
When you have the majority of Americans unable to sustain an emergency that would cost more than 500 dollars without borrowing money, you have an economy that doesnt work.

Riiiight.  Because it has absolutely zero to do with their decisions.

That is not opinion, guesswork or supposition. It is truth.

No, it's definitely opinion.

People like Jack can call it laziness or stupidity or whatever they want, the reality is that the economy does not work for most people.

Cars don't work either for people who don't learn how to drive them.  Pens don't work for people who don't learn how to write.  

Americans are hooked on having the latest phones and tv's , even or especially when they cannot "afford" them.

Exactly.  So do you admit it comes down to their decisions?  Or do you intend to tell us all this is some sort of chemical addiction that they can't help?

Most people are

Absolutely fucking terrible at basic math.  They are also horribly undisciplined.  That combination makes a person poor most of the time.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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7  bbl-1    7 years ago

The only message that matters with this story is the plain and simple fact that Supply Side Economics is working perfectly and doing exactly what it was bred to do.

 
 
 
Ender
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7.1  seeder  Ender  replied to  bbl-1 @7    7 years ago

No doubt.

 
 
 
Ender
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8  seeder  Ender    7 years ago
Something's wrong from the moon, my friends
Something's wrong from the moon
As I look down at you my friends
Something's wrong from the moon
Poor little man
You been run down
Poor little man
You're all run down
I can see right through your eyes
I can see right through your weary eyes
I can hear right through your cries
I can hear right through your drunken cries
When they spit, do you wash their floors
And pray that they don't spit no more
Or, rise up children, life goes on and on
Wise up children, life goes on and on
In the dark you cannot see
In the dark the victory is fear
Like a fool you follow fools
Like a fool you follow what you hear
Will they blow us all apart
Or kill us all with virus darts
Or, rise up children, life goes on and on
Wise up children, life goes on and on
On the moon they're laughing hard
On the moon they're falling off their seats
From the moon we're comedy
From the moon we're really quite a treat
Shall we have another beer
And slobber through another year
Or rise up children, life goes on and on
Wise up children, life goes on and on
Rise up children, life goes on and on
Wise up
Something's wrong from the moon my friends
Something's wrong from the moon
As I look down at you my friends
Something's wrong from the moon
Poor little man
You been run down
Poor little man
You're all run down
 
 
 
luther28
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9  luther28    7 years ago

As brought out by the recent Government shutdown, this comes as no surprise as over 50% of Americans do not have 400.00 to access in an emergency.

This is what should top the D.C. discussions, rather than their usual blither blather.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
9.1  Jack_TX  replied to  luther28 @9    7 years ago
As brought out by the recent Government shutdown, this comes as no surprise as over 50% of Americans do not have 400.00 to access in an emergency. This is what should top the D.C. discussions, rather than their usual blither blather.

Why?  The things necessary to address that problem would never pass.  The "My $1000 cell phone is not an extravagance but somebody else should buy my health insurance" crowd would have an instantaneous meltdown.

 
 
 
luther28
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9.1.1  luther28  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1    7 years ago
The "My $1000 cell phone is not an extravagance but somebody else should buy my health insurance" crowd would have an instantaneous meltdown

We will have to color this, most likely but sadly true.

The main difficulty seems to be that at some point many folks forgot how to separate wants and needs.

 
 

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