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Republican State Lawmaker: ‘Owning Slaves Doesn’t Make You Racist’

  

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Via:  john-russell  •  7 years ago  •  14 comments

Republican State Lawmaker: ‘Owning Slaves Doesn’t Make You Racist’
“[Slave owners] weren’t enslaving black people because they were black.

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Republican State Lawmaker: ‘Owning Slaves Doesn’t Make You Racist’






Jamie Ross







If you were writing a list of things that are and are not racist, slavery should probably be pretty close to the top of the “are” section. But not for a Republican state lawmaker from New Hampshire, who claimed in a Facebook post that owning slaves was based on economics, not racism. State Rep. Werner Horn has deleted a Facebook post on the matter, but has repeated his opinion in multiple interviews since. Horn was responding to a post from state House member who asked: “If Trump is the most racist president in American history, what does that say about all of the other presidents who owned slaves?” Horn replied: “Wait, owning slaves doesn’t make you racist... owning slaves wasn’t a decision predicated on race but on economics. It’s a business decision.” He later told HuffPost: “[Slave owners] weren’t enslaving black people because they were black. They were bringing in these folks because they were available.”








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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    7 years ago

A  New Hampshire lawmaker  came under fire this week for claiming American slavery was based on economics, not racism. 

Republican state Rep. Werner Horn stated his case in a now-deleted Facebook post, then reaffirmed his position in  multiple interviews  with media outlets.

Horn initially drew attention for his comments in a Facebook post by former state House member Dan Hynes, who posed the question: "If Trump is the most  racist president  in American history, what does that say about all of the other presidents who owned slaves?"

Horn responded, “Wait, owning slaves doesn’t make you racist..."

"I guess not,"  Hynes answered Tuesday . "Which is surprising since everything else makes someone a racist." 

Horn then added, “It shouldn’t be surprising since owning slaves wasn’t a decision predicated on race but on economics. It’s a business decision.”

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New Hampshire state Rep. Werner Horn remarked on Facebook July 16, 2019 that "owning slaves doesn't make you racist."  (Photo: Facebook)

Hynes took a different position on Thursday via Facebook, saying that "slavery in the U.S. was in fact racist."

But, Horn, a three-term lawmaker, further denied racism's role in interviews  with the Huffington Post  and the New Hampshire Union Leader. 

Horn  told the Union Leader  that people have been enslaving others throughout history, calling the American institution of slavery an "economic reality."  

“Slavery later on in the  American South  was not about the color of the skin of the slaves but their value as workers on the plantations,” Horn told the newspaper. "The U.S. had abolitionists since the start, people who felt slavery wasn’t moral but they weren’t enslaving black people because they were black. They were bringing in these folks because they were available.”

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Millions of Africans  were kidnapped, then shipped to the U.S. where slave owners forced them to do physical labor and brutally punished those who rebelled. Black people still face discrimination related to the color of their skin, including  disproportionate incarceration rates  and  overdiscipline in schools . 

Ray Buckley, the state's Democratic Party chairman, criticized Horn's comments as well as the lack of condemnation from Republican Gov. Chris Sununu.

“Sununu’s silence on Trump’s racism has sanctioned this kind of behavior from his Republican Party and has permitted comments like these with impunity," Buckley said in a statement to the Union Leader. "It’s disgusting."
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    7 years ago
“Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery – the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. " Mississippi, Ordinance of Secession adopted January 9, 1861
 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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3  igknorantzrulz    7 years ago

Too apropos these daze

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  seeder  JohnRussell    7 years ago
“Our new government is founded upon . . . its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery – subordination to the superior race – is his natural and normal condition.”

Alexander Stephens 

vice president of the Confederate States of America. 

Has the New Hampshire lawmaker who says slavery wasnt based on race ever read a book?

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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5  Dean Moriarty    7 years ago

I was reading in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries more than 300,000 white people were shipped to America as slaves. If a white man owns a white slave I would not consider that to be racist. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5    7 years ago
If a white man owns a white slave I would not consider that to be racist. 

That's nice. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5    7 years ago

320 For once, I agree with you, Dean.

Slavery is a topic that is highly susceptible to anachronisms. Slavery in America was not Black African at its inception, and non-Black slavery probably only disappeared after 1800.

As the Triangular Trade rose, white slavery disappeared.

Great Britain stopped the slave trade in the first half of the 19th century, but by then, slavery was firmly race-based and race-justified.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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6  Snuffy    7 years ago

I don't believe it's appropriate to condemn someone in the past based on today's standards. At their time, owning a slave was legal and not considered racist. If they were to own a black person as a slave today then they would definitely fit the bill as racist (along with several other choice terms). But I think we need to stop denouncing anybody from the past who isn't perfect by today's standards.  We have learned about racism and a lot of people have moved on from it and yes, a lot of people still wallow in it.  Hold the racist of today to those standards, but don't use today's standards to condemn those from the past.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @6    7 years ago
At their time, owning a slave was legal and not considered racist.

Over time slaveholders came to realize and understand it was a moral wrong , in other words racism. They didnt call it racism because that is a concept that developed over time, and was in fact part of the rationale slaveowners came to use.  "Negroes are inferior" or "God wanted them to be slaves"  were excuses that slaveowners used to defend slavery.  They didnt want to give up slavery because they were making money using slaves. So they created excuses and that is pretty much how racism evolved in America. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7  Nerm_L    7 years ago

A Republican from New Hampshire is pro-slavery?  That seems to be an expectation that we suspend our disbelief.  Especially when New Hampshire boasts so much diversity that the population is only 94 pct white.  There must be a lot of political competition for the 'brown' people living in New Hampshire.

If a person is provided food, clothing, shelter, and medical care in exchange for subservience and obedience, isn't that person a slave?  Isn't that the devil's bargain of slavery?  It doesn't really matter if someone chooses to make that devil's bargain or if it forced upon them, that person is still a slave.

Forcing a person into abject dependence is really just another form of slavery that can be hidden by the political correctness of charity.  Look how benevolent and charitable we are.  We provide everything, now vote for us or lose our benevolence.  How do so many of the sublimely benevolent enrich themselves through their charity?

It seems the slavery of benevolence is quite profitable, indeed.  How many poor Democrats of any racial descent are serving in Congress?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @7    7 years ago

Nerm, your comment is disgusting. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    7 years ago
Nerm, your comment is disgusting. 

So, you think slavery by another name is acceptable?

The Democratic Party was established to preserve and expand the institution of slavery.  Tell us what has changed?  How is today's Democratic benevolent patronage different than Democrat John C. Calhoun's claims that slavery is a positive good?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @7.1.1    7 years ago
How is today's Democratic benevolent patronage different than Democrat John C. Calhoun's claims that slavery is a positive good?

You are falling down a hole you will never get out of. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.2    7 years ago
You are falling down a hole you will never get out of. 

Democrats dug the hole 200 years ago and, apparently, Democrats have not climbed out of that hole since then.

 
 

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