White Arkansas woman pulls gun on 4 black fundraising teens
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White Arkansas woman pulls gun on 4 black fundraising teens
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In this Thursday, Aug. 15, 2019 booking photo, provide by the Cross County, Arkansas, Sheriff's Office is Jerri Kelly, the wife of an Arkansas jail administrator who has been arrested after officials say she pulled a gun on four black teenagers fundraising door-to-door for their high school football team. Authorities say Kelly is charged with aggravated assault, false imprisonment and endangering the welfare of a minor. (Cross County Sheriff's Office via AP)WYNNE, Ark. (AP) — The wife of an Arkansas jail administrator was arrested and charged with assault several days after police say she pulled a gun on four black teenagers who were going door to door to raise money for their high school football team.
Police in the eastern Arkansas city of Wynne, about 100 miles (161 kilometers) northeast of Little Rock, said the incident happened Aug. 7. Police responding to reports of "suspicious persons" found the four children on the ground, with Jerri Kelly, who is white, standing over them holding a gun, Memphis TV station WMC reported.
The officer let the children stand up, and they told him they had been selling discount cards to raise money for a school athletic program. The Wynne School District said two of the four children were wearing football jerseys.
Kelly, 46, was charged Monday with aggravated assault, false imprisonment and endangering the welfare of a minor.
Cross County Sheriff's Department Captain Jeff Nichols said a warrant was put out for Kelly's arrest, and she turned herself in Monday evening. She was released that night on $10,000 bond.
Kelly, who is the wife of Cross County Jail Administrator Joseph Kelly, couldn't immediately be reached for comment Thursday and it wasn't clear whether she had an attorney who could comment.
Nichols said a mugshot of Kelly wasn't taken on Monday because she had a "medical emergency" as she was being booked. He said he could not release more information, citing medical privacy laws. He said she came to the jail to have a mugshot taken after her initial court appearance on Thursday morning, in part because of community backlash.
"She was afforded the same booking process and procedures as anyone that's brought into our facility," Nichols said. "She received no preferential treatment."
Bill Winkler, who said he has lived in the neighborhood where the incident took place for four decades, said children are typically out this time of year selling discount cards for the football team.
"Usually it's right before football season, late summer or early fall," Winkler said.
Wynne School District Superintendent Carl Easley said the district is considering stopping door-to-door fundraisers.
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They probably should. When my kids were selling stuff for school, they were encouraged to get Mom/Dad to take the order forms to work and hit up the co-workers (I never did) or ask relatives.
Sounds like this lady has some mental problems.
My mom used to dread Girl Scout cookie season. My dad would come home with at least 50 boxes he bought from his employee's kids.
My father used to take my brother's order forms to work for the annual FFA citrus fruit sale. That boy got top seller every year. Those coal miners really liked their oranges
It sure does!!! One thing this AP story dosen't make clear is this:
"Police in the eastern Arkansas city of Wynne, about 100 miles (161 kilometers) northeast of Little Rock, said the incident happened Aug. 7. Police responding to reports of "suspicious persons" found the four children on the ground,"
it was Kelly who called them in the first place:
"Before coming outside, Kelly had already called 911 to report 'suspicious persons' and still had her gun drawn when police arrived."
A minor detail, I know, but the AP should have made that clear.
It's a liberal British tabloid. That's the third time you objected to sources - sources that stated cold hard facts!
When was the last time you ever saw a moderate or conservative publication cited by her? I never have...
I don't think so.
According to a December 2004 survey, 53% of Daily Mail readers voted for the Conservative Party, compared to 21% for Labour and 17% for the Liberal Democrats .
The issue should be the facts, not where they came from, but ya, you are correct.
I don't care what you think and the issue is not what you or your buddy thinks of the Daily Mail, but whether Kelly called the police!
"Kelly is accused of forcing the boys to get down on the ground onto their stomachs with their legs spread and their arms behind their backs. The teens say she told them she had already called 911 and demanded they remain on the ground until officers arrived. An officer arrived and sorted out the situation, according to police."
I shouldn't have to give two links to something that is basic knowledge! Contesting sources dosen't change facts.
Why don't you just admit that Kelly called the cops and the AP should have made it clear?
Because you can't!
Right!
The Daily Mail is not a liberal newspaper. The Guardian is.
The Daily Mail is the UK version of the New York Post.
Did Kelly call 911 or not?
Your opinion of newspapers isn't important.
Is anyone here capable of admitting to a simple fact?
You've made that the topic. You hate truth!
Calm down, I was simply pointing out that The Daily Mail is not a liberal paper. It's really just a tabloid. Take a deep breath already.
So... Are you defending this woman's behavior Vic?
No Gee, I'm only showing how liberals deny facts even when they aren't very important. How about you? Are you another liberal who will not admit the FACT that Kelly called 911?
You weren't pointing out anything. You were defecting!
Who has denied that she called 911? What's the difference if she did or didn't? You cannot hold people at gunpoint simply because they are scary black kids. This is not a good guy with a gun and her guns should be taken from her before she kills someone.
Oh no, I would never defect, I love America, stars and stripes forever, dude.
If you mean "deflecting", no I wasn't. I was responding directly to your comment.
Really? Did she make the call or not? A minor point, but it's the steadfast refusal to address it which is so telling!
Are you reading along? There are at least 3 along with the seeder who have made it a test of will! When you question the source, you are in effect denying the facts provided. That's what they did. So all three are in denial.
What's the difference if she did or didn't?
To the actual incident - it wouldn't change it. It is important for a journalist to make that fact clear. As I said when I raised it that it was a minor point. I hate to be arguing something that shouldn't be an issue. Why all the defiance to the truth?
You cannot hold people at gunpoint simply because they are scary black kids. This is not a good guy with a gun and her guns should be taken from her before she kills someone.
Save it for somebody who is arguing that point. (I doubt you'll find anyone)
vic ,
for shits sake dude, i just read all your post--- and just like in the past---- you think the FACTS you post make you look like you have a point that basically everyone wants to know----which is......WHO CARES ABOUT if she called.
the part you seem to not get is, that your need to have posted a FACT from some kind of news source matters.....it doesnt.
especially given the part ,where again, this is another case/ story / report / documented/ example , of BLACK PEOPLE / kids / adults /not doing shit wrong. and the obnoxious racist scared white person needing to proof again that just being NON white empowers them to treat them differently.
and in this case, not differently in a minor way, but in a major way...by pulling a gun on them.
so VIC--- any body above who reads your replies to any of the posts -wonders , why vic thinks where he GOT HIS FACTS FROM MATTER.
and it then leaves the question of .....why does vic give more about where he got the facts vs how he appears to others by posting them...
Your comment history shows you to find something wrong with black folks and defending of the white persons actions, with out typing it out.....if thats not the case then ANY OF YOUR POST ABOVE could have been replies like.
------------------------->>>>>>>>>>>Yes this is my source for facts and i am APPALLED AT HER POINTING A GUN AT THESE KIDS, when it is clear the kids had a legitimate reason to actually be going house to house.
but nope NOT vic....do you get it ....vic come on man.
....this is a human how the brain functions and a societal issue of the constant UNPROVOKED RACISM blacks Americans deal with in america every dam day...
and sadly MEMBERS of all colors are tired of it happening.....are you?
( and before you answer know your comment history exists) but ..................I guess once in a while i see an albino squirrel too- UGH i cant wait for your answer!! cough cough
Then why not just admit it and we can all move on?
the part you seem to not get is, that your need to have posted a FACT from some kind of news source matters.
I gave not one, but two sources and btw, even the National Enquirer or the Huffington Post need not be challenged when they state a KNOWN FACT such as Trump is President. The AP story alludes to the call being made. The story needs the context of who called. That's all I said!
especially given the part ,where again, this is another case/ story / report / documented/ example , of BLACK PEOPLE / kids / adults /not doing shit wrong. and the obnoxious racist scared white person needing to proof again that just being NON white empowers them to treat them differently.
That has nothing to do with my humble point. You are defining the not so subtle objective of the story. The narrative that there is still racism, we all must understand that and thus the person who seeded it found it so important. I understand...You all want to beat that drum and drive it home. My only point is that the incident makes more sense when the AP adds that Kelly dialed 911 before detaining the children. The theme then becomes more logical - fear!
Your comment history shows you to find something wrong with black folks and defending of the white persons actions, with out typing it out.....if thats not the case then ANY OF YOUR POST ABOVE could have been replies like.
That is quite a word salad, but it appears you want me to defend this woman. Sorry to let you down.
.I guess once in a while i see an albino squirrel too- UGH i cant wait for your answer!! cough cough
I'm sure your'e not so happy now that you got it. Time to clear your throat....What did you swallow?
ok lets not play games here. the fact that she called does not take the way the point of her going to extreme with pointing a gun at four kids who pose no threat. being on someones property with no ill intent does not mean that pointing a gun is the way to dictate interaction, especially when NOTHING else suggest they had an intent that could be suggestive to deem it necessary to point a gun. thus calling the police and staying behind a closed door would have been wiser, dont you think ?
and so what is the reply. why not call the police and STAY behind a closed door.
FEAR FROM WHAT--- a note card in each of there hands. they weren't in gang attire, they didn't have back packs, or bikes to get away fast, nope she saw them and called the police and then WENT OUTSIDE to point a gun at them. which makes it LESS LOGICAL, because the safest place for a fearful person is behind a locked door. ( neighbors from your same sources stated the kids were being JUST kids)
Again lets not play games vic-- since you have been blogging on here for years( and probably newsvine under a different one), YOU are the one who tries to defend white peoples actions that on its face dont look good and then continue to do so when a criminal aspect comes into. My comment history is to remind you and your type of thinkers that......when this shit happens it gets old, and it gets really old when one of the main denominators is being different, thus being black sucks when you DONT KNOW who the next racist minded person is going to act out against you.
so in getting back to this seed, the fear of nothing but SEEING black kids made her take an action that was not reasonable because no other factors were present to suggest otherwise. this is a comment with no race associated with it.
Fair enough! Was that hard?
FEAR FROM WHAT-
Isn't guessing why she acted the way she did part of the conversation? Fear from what she sees on the news or maybe something that happened where she lives, I don't really know. She could be mentally deranged or she could be afraid. Does that seem conceivable to you?
Again lets not play games vic-- since you have been blogging on here for years( and probably newsvine under a different one),
Actually, Iv'e used the same name since I started in 2011 with Newsvine.
YOU are the one who tries to defend white peoples actions that on its face dont look good and then continue to do so when a criminal aspect comes into.
You might think that if you had a strong anti-white bias. I always try to look at each case objectively. You don't see me defending this woman's actions, do you?
My comment history is to remind you and your type of thinkers that......when this shit happens it gets old, and it gets really old when one of the main denominators is being different, thus being black sucks when you DONT KNOW who the next racist minded person is going to act out against you.
Are you telling me that you are black? or are you telling me that every incident is the same thing to you, one big racist event following another?
so in getting back to this seed, the fear of nothing but SEEING black kids made her take an action that was not reasonable because no other factors were present to suggest otherwise. this is a comment with no race associated with it.
Actually it is! You quite clearly stated that you believe she called 911 and pulled the gun because they were black. I think so too. She may have been mentally ill. I think she was afraid.
No it doesnt, it seems like a group of excuses that allow for her conduct to be seen as normal and acceptable to folks who dont EVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING TREATED LIKE THESE BOYS! So a guess works better then undisputed facts. like the police comments and neighbor comments.
The suggestion above about repeated "she could be" leads folks to believe you do!
Yes vic i have expressed that i am black to you before since 2011 with newsvine. And no not every event is one big racist event after another. What i am pointing out to you is that when RACIST EVENTS occur they are just that. and sadly that is something that some folks seem to have a NACK for disregarding and staying behind the buffer they have created. partly due to the fact they dont have to deal with ANY ISSUES related to the ones they comment about. And secondly because they dont have experiences that allow for a relative example that has occurred in there own personal life or those around them.
vic -again no excuses for her action. plus a scared person normally stays behind the closed locked door she had on her house. she choose not to.
You should have quit when you were ahead.
This story is a rarity. The media promotes it for the same reason it was seeded here - to promote the false narrative that America is a racist country.
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I've always opposed kids selling stuff as fundraisers. First, It's really hard to get the kids to do any of the selling. It's the parents who end up doing all the work. (and most of the buying) Second, it takes a large up front investment with no guarantee of profit and a good possibility of a loss. Third, as seen in the article, it can be dangerous, and fourth, when it's all done a large company, posing as good Samaritans, usually takes half of your profits. As somebody who has raised money for baseball, football, swimming, boy and girl scouts, marching band, choir, various drama productions and several school trips, I'll tell you IT'S MUCH BETTER TO THROW A PARTY!!!
Supply the BEER
n i'm HERE
That's what I'm sayin'.
What she did is criminal. So, I am glad she was arrested and will pay for it....
That being said, sending kids out to sell door to door is entirely inappropriate!
I do not care if you did it or your kids did it, it is a very bad dangerous practice.
And a dipshit.
Absolutely.
The Girl Scouts of America have proven this to be false.
The last time I saw an unchaperoned GS selling door to door was in 1967...
No, They Do Not! The policy is girls must be chaperoned and in groups...
Can you imagine the liability GSoA would assume sending girls out alone?
Absolutely.
Moving the goalposts again, eh?
Of course most Girl Scouts are chaperoned. Eight year olds are usually chaperoned.
Oddly enough, it is generally accepted that HS football players in groups of 4 do not need their mommies to walk them around. It is also generally accepted that helping to raise the money to purchase special equipment or additional uniforms or travel expenses causes them to place more value on those things and increases their ownership in the program.
I am not moving a goal post. You are. Those kids were unchaperoned...
If a GS rang your door they were accompanied by an adult. Maybe in the car, but there was an adult along. Sending kids, especially lone children, out to sell cookies or candy to strangers going door to door is plainly negligence. Sending that group of young male athletes into a neighborhood unaccompanied by an adult was negligent on the school's part. I have not seen a lone GS going door to door unaccompanied by an adult for at least fifty years. It is explicitly against GS policy to ever do so...
Oh really now.... Let's review....
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I'm looking for the word "chaperoned". It appears to be absent. Quite conspicuously absent. Also conspicuously absent are any word synonymous with "chaperoned" like "supervised", or "attended".
No...the "chaperoned" qualification is your personal invention to try to make the rest of your comments look less silly.
Strange to relate....but here in America the social custom is not to chaperone kids once they reach their mid-late teenage years, especially those who are old enough to drive themselves. Actually, we often put teenage kids in the role of chaperone over young children. We call this concept "babysitting".
Do explain to all of us how one of these boys taking his father along would have made this crazy racist woman less likely to level a gun at them... How does that work, exactly? Crazy racist woman looks out the window at four large black boys and thinks...."Oh, well there is a large black grown ass man with them....that makes it alright then"?
Yes. We chaperone 8 year olds everywhere.
Imagine if they were chaperoned by four football players. Safest little girl on the planet.
"Lone children"? Did you miss the part where they were in groups of four?
Then I'm sure lawsuits have been filed. Or I'm sure that's complete nonsense you're posting because you're trying to cover up your previous nonsense with more nonsense.
It certainly can be. When I was a very young adult, I had a door-to-door sales job (encyclopedias, if you can believe that) and a woman met me in her driveway, pointing a rifle at me. At another house, the owner released his dobermans on me.
In today's world in NYC if a lone unaccompanied unchaperoned minor child was out soliciting door to door in my building I would have to call Child Protective Services. I sold all kinds of stuff for fundraisers as a kid but mom or dad was always there. That was in a very small town in the 60s and 70s. It is 2019. We know better now...
DAs really like to pile on the charges. These won't stand. She was arguably just defending herself and her home against what she apparently thought might be some kind of home invasion. Though it sounds like she overreacted, it doesn't sound like she initiated contact or went out looking for these guys.
Seeing as how nobody was actually hurt and she's the one who called the police in the first place, I would guess that at worst, she might plead to some kind of brandishing charge.
Do you think she would have pulled a gun on four white teenagers? That is a yes or no question.
Absent some sort of indication that the boys threatened her, which I dont see in the story, she was in the wrong. It is not a gray issue.
There are 327.2 Million people living in the US. The fact that every incident like this is front page news tells us how rare they have become.
It's possible. I know it's possible because it happened to me.
It's front page news because of the races of the people involved. Race drama makes for more clicks and advertising revenue. White people point guns at white people and black people point guns at black people every day and it doesn't make the news because it doesn't feed into the entertainment value of racial drama.
This is true.
Actually you are defending her with your first comment because all your speculations dont jive with the facts. Fact she called the police when they werent even in her yard, fact: she DID initiate contact with these kids by coming outside pointing the gun on them when they were just in her driveway....but in your mind she was DEFENDING her home, that in her HEAD they wanted to INVADE her home......DL Hughly said it correctly the most dangerous place for a black person is on a white person's imagination! Btw aggravated ASSAULT doesnt require injury or even physicial contact just the threat bodily harm and the means to do it is enough (crazy bitch with a gun kind of fits that category) Forcing them to get down on the ground at gunpoint and refusing to let them leave with absolutely no crome being committed completes the false imprisonment and the fact that all that was done to kids finishes the trifecta, shes just lucky shes not in Florida she would be looking at 10 years MINIMUM
If you only understood how ridiculous it looks when you try to tell someone else what they really think.
Yeah, I had a lady do the exact same thing to me. Met me in her driveway. Opened up the garage as I was approaching with her rifle already in her hand. Been there, done that. I recognize the merit in it, though. If you genuinely believe someone is coming to your home to harm you, why would wait until they could trap you in the house to do anything about it?
I urge you to work on 1) reading comprehension and 2) your mind reading powers. I have never said I thought she was defending her home. I merely raised the possibility that she thought that - however misguided that thought might have been on her part. She might also be crazy or racist. I have said all of those things.
The thing that you and your allies are all bent out of shape about is that I will not say unequivocally that she definitely is racist because I (nor you) have any way of knowing that for sure.
That's true, however it is also a crime that requires intent. If her intent is self defense as opposed to simply putting someone in fear of imminent death, then it will be hard to convict her. It's very much in her favor that she called the police and never pulled the trigger.
Dude your words show that you are defending her! You use words like "possibility" people only use that if they are trying to defend an alternative, you come up with outlandish scenerios to justify actions to go against the facts....but yet you still insist you're not defending her?! Here's the problem you're too busy trying to gaslight thus as not being racist that you are giving justification for a blatant obvious crime she committed! Perfect example aggravated assault doesnt require intent just the means to carry out said threat of serious bodily harm! In other words if i told you i was going to beat the shit out of you my 6'1 245lb frame is more than enough to carry that out...that becomes assault, if i had a gun and told you dont move or ill shoot thats AGGRAVATED ASSAULT! Having the gun in hand is all the intent required! Self defense is an affirmative defense, just saying you are afraid isnt good enough she would have to prove their was an ACTUAL threat of serious bodily harm or death.....ACTUAL, not some irrational fear generated by her racism
Now...you keep bringing up this anecdotal event in your life claiming some white woman pointing a gun at you with no context because what you said doesnt sound right...did she meet you at the driveway or opened the garage on you?!
I guess some people see what they want to see. I find it interesting that you don't seem to care about my opinion of what my words mean. It doesn't matter to you that I say I'm not defending her and that I reserve judgment on whether or not she was motivated by race. Only your interpretation of my words has any validity, eh?
Having an open mind is not gaslighting. I'm not trying to convince you you're crazy. I just think you don't have enough information to reach the conclusion you have. That's a simple disagreement and nothing more. But I guess if that kind of thing threatens you this much, then you might think of it as gaslighting. You might want to get used to the idea that not everybody rushes to judgment like you have here. You have also rushed to judge me as well as the woman in the story. Interesting.
No it doesn't. An assault puts the victim in a reasonable apprehension of an imminent battery. That is, you'd have to take a swing at me, or at least cock your fist and make like you were going to throw it at me. Mere threats are not enough. But enough about your fantasies . . .
Claiming? You calling me a liar now?
Both. She opened the garage and stepped out onto the driveway, which is where I already was as I was approaching her front door. I was surprised to see the door opening. I was even more surprised to see her point a rifle at me.
Wouldn't get into too much of a twist over this. It is Arkansas, right next to Mississippi and Louisiana. Antebellum dies hard.
This disgusting excuse for a human being should have the book thrown at her...what a pos idiot.
Has Trump called her fat yet? Probably not.
Maybe he will offer her a position at Homeland Security, after all her husband has law enforcement experience.