Iraq Tells Trump GTFO After Soleimani Strike
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On Sunday, just days after the U.S. strike that killed the powerful Iranian military commander Qassem Soleimani, the Trump administration got its first real taste of international pushback. The Iraqi parliament voted to oust American troops from the country and Tehran announced that it would pull completely out of its obligations under the 2015 nuclear deal.
The pushback didn’t come in the form of a targeted strike on a major American outpost or U.S. service member, but combined, the two events served as a wakeup call for officials in Washington who for days had tried desperately to manage the fallout of the Soleimani strike, with some describing it as an act to “advance the cause of peace.”
President Donald Trump’s truculent response? Threaten Iraq with sanctions if it expels U.S. troops: “If they do ask us to leave, if we don’t do it in a very friendly basis, we will charge them sanctions like they’ve never seen before ever. It’ll make Iranian sanctions look somewhat tame.”
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The Iraqi parliament voted to oust American troops from the country.
President Donald Trump’s truculent response? Threaten Iraq with sanctions if it expels U.S. troops: “If they do ask us to leave, if we don’t do it in a very friendly basis, we will charge them sanctions like they’ve never seen before ever. It’ll make Iranian sanctions look somewhat tame.”
Its been obvious for some time that our Chicken-Hawk-in-Chief's been mentally ill. But unfortunately his condition has gotten much worse as of late.
When we leave Iraq, ISIS will return.
So Trump failed?
We are getting kicked out of Iraq so Trump is threatening them with sanctions.
Return faster. ISIS has already started rebuilding after Trump abandoned the Kurds.
What do you expect, Trump is the definition of a "one trick pony".
What are you worried about?
They are only the JV team after all.
Obviously the Iraqis are not too fond of us...why?
Prove it. Seriously.
That is Syria, not Iraq. Guess what we are still in Syria! We just reduced our footprint. We now occupy the Northern Syrian oil fields- which is really pissing off their government.
The Turks didn't wipe out the Kurds in Syria. The Syrian Kurds are now allied with the Syrian government, Russians, and Iranians. None of those factions are going to allow ISIS/ISIL to return.
As for Iraq. We never should have gone back in the first place. The Iraqi government is loyal to Iran. Iraq now has how many thousands of Iranian militias (sorry meant terrorists) running around their country? Think Iran or the Iraqi government wants to see ISIS/ISIL come back? Think they won't fight them? OK, maybe the Iraqi government will roll over and play dead again; but the Iranian militia and Iraqi Kurds are made of sterner stuff.
What about our damn allies. You know that the British and French were supposed to pick up the slack in Syria; but when the time came they beat us to the damn door. We are protecting their interests in Iraq, not ours. It is about time our NATO allies stepped up and pulled their own weight.
Who really gives a damn if ISIS/ISIL comes back in Iraq or Syria. Outside of the Kurds (only the Iraqi Kurds deserve our support), let them kill each other off. They have been doing it for thousands of years before we came along. They will be doing it once we depart Iraq and Syria (If we ever do).
So much damn hyperbole and disinformation. The sheer amount of BS being spread is staggering.
Let me see.
How many times have we bombed them into oblivion? At least twice with Bush Sr & Bush Jr, and several hit and runs with Clinton.
How many civilians have we killed? Google it, it isn't pretty even by conservative estimates.
If that was all I wouldn't really blame them; but they held a grudge against the US long before we did anything to them.
1) Fundamentalist radical Sunni (ISIS/ISIL) can't stand the US. They would be out to destroy us no matter what. We leave them alone they will still be trying to kill us.
2) Fundamentalist radical Shai (loyal to Iran) can't stand the US. They would be out to destroy us no matter what. We leave them along they will still be trying to kill us.
Thankfully they hate each other far more than us; so let them get back to killing one another already. It is what they desperately want!
As for the sanctions. Go ahead. The Iraqi government is not holding up their end in protecting US personnel or our embassy. Yet we are the ones that freed them from Saddam; and saved their asses from ISIS/ISIL. We have rearmed and retrained their damn military twice! Yet their loyal to Iran.
I'm wondering...how many more countries will our Chickenjawk president send American kids into?
What's next?
Good point.
The only ones in the area that we have been able to count on have been the Kurds and the israelis.
Our Chickenhawk Neocon-in-Chief has screwed over the Kurds... so I wouldn't be surprised if its only a matter of time before he decides on a whim to f*ck over the Israelis as well...
We already have troops deployed in 150 different countries . Trump didn't do that. That's old news.
Excuse me?
Syria is Obama's debacle. Trump was trying to get our troops out of Syria and faced a withering attack from Neocons on both sides; and the newly minted chicken hawks on the left.
The sheer amount of "Trump is betraying the Kurds" BS was endless.
My only criticism with Trump is he didn't follow throw, and only reduced our footprint in Syria. He caved to pressure from the military, state department, intelligence agencies, and Congress.
The Syrian government has told us repeatedly to get out; and we are still there. W/O a single legal leg to stand on should we be attacked. I doubt we will leave Iraq either- even if they demand we go.
First off see post 3.1.3.
Not all Kurds are created equal. Syrian Kurds are a different faction than the Iraqi Kurds. Many of the Syrian Kurd factions are designated as terrorists by both Turkey and the US. The even fight among themselves for territory and power.
Funny how no one thought Bush Jr/Obama were abandoning the Iraqi Kurds when Bush Jr signed the SOFA agreement to remove US forces; and Obama followed through on it after the Iraqi government rejected his offer to keep 10,000 troops there for as long as they desired.
Secondly, show me one time that Trump has screwed over Israel? Just once? He moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem. He has signed onto Bibi's plan for peace with the Palestinians of "Jordan is Palestine". He is going to allow Israel to keep all of their West Bank settlements in any peace deal. If anyone should be feeling betrayed by Trump it is the Jordanians.
Sunday’s maelstrom and new developments were not entirely unexpected by Trump’s national security brass or his war planners.
Shortly before he ordered Thursday’s fateful, potentially world-altering attack, the president was briefed on a menu of possible consequences if Soleimani were slain.
According to two administration officials, one of the listed potential consequences was attacks on U.S. military personnel abroad—and another was the Iranian regime deciding to amp up its nuclear program.
Before Trump droned Soleimani, many Iraqis hated that Iranian asshole.
Trump has turned Soleimani into a fucking Shia martyr.
Bullshit .... if they hated him then, they still hate him now. That shit doesn't just magically happen because you want it to.
Leave it to the left to try and elevate another murderous POS to martyr status.
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Trump elevated "another murderous POS to martyr status" by killing him.
You've got no answers that work the problem in a better direction. None that hunt in the real world. That and you don't have the slightest idea what was behind the decision to frag this POS. All you got is a visceral hatred for Trump. Nothing more .....
Sad beans for you there buddy, very sad beans!
So Sparty On said:
I pointed out:
Your "so so" comments don't change that.
I just said "Trump has turned Soleimani into a fucking Shia martyr."
First you tried to blame "the left" and now you're just spewing bullshit.
Knowing Trump, it's a safe assumption that it had nothing to do with our intelligence community's analysis, or anything resembling weighing the pros and cons of various responses. Most likely he saw the protesters at the embassy and, being an insecure egomaniac, decided he had to do something to "look strong."
Or, since he brags about going only by his gut, maybe he had indigestion from too many Big Macs and diet sodas.
Try to concentrate Jizzy ...... do you have an answer to the problem at hand or not? Are you saying Trump wacking the guy is your answer or are you just playing a little NV mafia reindeer game here.
My money is on the latter.
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Unlike some of the other folks in here, hacking away at Trump just for the sake of hacking, you post some good stuff here from time to time but i'm afraid you're biases are getting the best of you on this one katrix.
You don't have the slightest idea either .....
Oh, I admit that I don't have the slightest idea. And I honestly don't know whether or not it was a good idea to take this guy out. Every action we take in the Middle East seems to backfire.
But I still like my guesstimates as to why he did it, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if my first idea is true, based on his past actions. He openly disparages our intelligence community, refuses to listen to his security briefings, and brags about ignoring all experts and going by his gut. So it's a pretty safe assumption that it wasn't particularly well thought out on his part, whether or not it was the right thing to do. He also hates to think he's looking "weak" so it's not too far out to wonder if the protests were what set his ego off.
So what? Every POS we have taken out over there has been elevated to "martyr " status.
This one is just as dead a martyr as the rest.
Thanx for the personal insult (a CoC violation).
What's YOUR fucking "answer to the problem"?
I just said " Trump has turned Soleimani into a fucking Shia martyr."
I don't even know what fucking "problem" you're referring too.
Am I supposed to bring Soleimani back to life?
Nah but if you really feel that strongly about it, report it and quit whining like a little school girl scorned. Otherwise grow a thicker skin. Oh wait, you already did .... what a badass! Good job!
Lol answer my question first
Trump did no such thing but a shitload fundamentalist Islamic crackpots thank you for your sentiments. Giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Good job!
WTF ..... do you want to?
Knowing Trump... its obvious that one of his favourite techniques of confronting negative coverage is...not confronting it!
he's obviously been upset by all the negative coverage of the Impeachment hearings. Heck-- just by the very fact that in all of history he's only the 3rd president to be impeached!
And one of his main actions when facing negative publicity-- is distraction.
Creating a crisis to divert attention away...
So what could be a better way than by murdering an Iranian hero!
Twice.
That's a fucking lie.
I have never flagged a comment on NT and I never will.
Your juvenile insult just shows everyone the type of person you are.
Go ahead and call me names, tough guy. I won't flag any of your stupid comments.
Trump made Soleimani a Shia martyr when he killed him.
When I state the obvious it does NOT "give aid and comfort to the enemy".
That is YOUR ridiculous assumption.
Still whining I see .... the big show on the internet .... trying to show off for your NT mutual admiration society.
You bad ..... still haven’t answered my question yet but you aren’t really interested in coming up with answers are you? You’re much better at simply whining.
Yes agreed, you do it so well.
Yes. And the consequences go beyond that.
As anyone who's kept up with current events is aware,,,there have been anti-government protests in Iran as of late. But now the killing of Solemani has turned many of those protestors into solidarity with other Iranians....they are united in their outrage over a person they see as an iranian hero.
Nice going trump! (/sarc)
Ok but this:
And this:
So it all sounds pretty meaningless.
But hey, if Iraq wants to be Iranian territory, be my guest and good luck with that.
I wonder why that’s not the lede...
Yeah, why isn't the headline "Handful of Iraqis cast meaningless, unenforceable vote to eject US?"
According the Wall Street Journal , only 167 of the 328-member parliament were there to vote. And apparently they're all - or mostly all - Shiites so they tend to be pro-Iran. The rest are all Kurds and Sunnis, who boycotted the event.
Stop using facts.
They are very inconvenient to the TDS based narrative being used here
Their mother-ship hates it when you do that ..........
Have to disagree with that position. I know it wasn't your quote, but voting NO on the resolution would be a sign of support for the U.S.. Not showing up for the vote says that they do NOT support the U.S. position, but are not willing to go so far as to support Iran either.
Shhhh...
He's made up his mind...don't confuse him with the facts!
No. Showing up and voting no would have put those politicians in the cross hairs of those very same Iranian Militias. Or do you think the Iraqi government would suddenly grow a pair and stop those terrorists from reprisal killings? They sure as hell didn't protect those Iraqi civilians protesting the government.
Don't let common sense get in the way of TDDDDS.
So you are saying that the Iraqi politicians that support the U.S. are all cowards? They couldn't have "phoned in" their vote? They couldn't have made their beliefs known?
Must be nice to live in a world where everyone shares your beliefs unless they stand up and specifically say otherwise.
So what?
The Kurds, of all the groups in Iraq, have always supported the U.S.!
(So therefore it should come as no surprise that our Chickenhawk-in-Cheif betrayed them by pulling out of their areas in Syria, leaving them open to massacres by the Turks).
or have you conveniently forgotten that?
Maybe they don't feel as betrayed as you think they do.
Yes, it is unfuckingbelievable that people still aren't informed enough to know that there are several factions of Kurds. While they all share a common goal they don't agree on the means of accomplishing it. They fight among themselves regularly for territory and power.
The Iraqi Kurds would not appreciate being lumped in with the Syrian Kurds.
Yep you got the Hatfield & McCoy Kurds, the Roadrunner and Coyote Kurds, the Tom and Jerry Kurds, etc, etc .....
That's quite an overgeneralization!
While you might not be aware of it, Iraq is comprised mainly of three very different groups-- Sunni Arabs, Shia Arabs, and Kurds. And they don't all think alike!
The majority of Shia Iraqis support the Shia nation of iran-- the majority of the other two groups don't!
(The newstalkers...the possibility exists..to "get smarter here'...)
I am very aware of it. The quote in my comment points out that the vote was not any kind of unanimous referendum. For my information, see my comment @4.1.1.
And once again Trump, the US president, has given Putin's Russia another opportunity to expand it's military and economic influence in the Middle East.
Russia supports Iran and that is no accident. I wonder if this was discussed at Helsinki too?
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Why? Is there something I said that is not true?
If so, point it out.
Remember the Alamo, I mean Crimea (2014) and Libya.(2011). And we didn't even get a terrorist out of the deal.
So, is your theory here that we killed an important Iranian to make Russia happy?
Maybe, but either way the Russians will probably take advantage.
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No. My comment is merely on probable geopolitical realignments in the ME.
The general's daughter summed it up nicely......crazy Trump.
"Tehran’s announcement about its nuclear program Sunday indicated that the efforts Iran and the United States made in recent months to discuss the possibility of negotiations had all but evaporated."
Such a "Threat".
Trump pulled us out of that "Non-Binding" Nuclear thingy in 2018 .
It's 2020 .....isn't it ?
"And the Iraqi vote in parliament, although nonbinding "
Ouch ?
Lets see. When Iraq told the US to get out under Obama the Democrats lauded it as "Obama ended the war in Iraq". Wonder if they'll extend the current President the same accolades.