Texas health officials say the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in the state rose by nearly 2,000 Sunday and there were another 24 deaths tied to the disease caused by the new coronavirus.

Record numbers of patients requiring inpatient care have been reported in Arizona, where crowds packed tourist spots like Lake Havasu over the long weekend, and Texas, which was one of the first states to ease stay-at-home orders.

Its understandable that governors want to "open" their states early-- but this is what happens when they push to do it to early

Navajo Nation has mandatory ''wear face mask'' on the Navajo Nation Rez. 

Seeking a city willing to allow a large-scale event amid the pandemic, Republicans have tentatively settled on Jacksonville, Fla., as the new destination for the premier festivities of the Republican National Convention in August, according to three Republican officials briefed on the plans.

Now the question is-- will the Floridians be stupid enough to allow such a large gathering...especially in an enclosed space?

Now the question is-- will the Floridians be stupid enough to allow such a large gathering...especially in an enclosed space?

Even worse is:

Trump is reportedly insisting the Republican National Convention be held without face masks or social distancing measures

It seems to be conservatives who push this notion that the precautions are overkill.   Where do you think this comes from?   Seems like reckless wishful thinking to me. 

It seems to be conservatives who push this notion that the precautions are overkill.

Is it Conservatives?   Look at all the protests that are all over the country. Don't you think that's reckless?

Protests have already gone down the liberals' memory hole.

Never happened.

It was ok because it was something THEY wanted!

Protests have already gone down the liberals' memory hole.

they have the attention span of goldfish

Is it Conservatives?   Look at all the protests that are all over the country. Don't you think that's reckless?

Yes I do think protests without precautions is reckless.   But I was speaking of the arguments made.   Basically, the argument that essentially claims that the government is exploiting the pandemic to impose its will on the people.   In a word: overkill.

Protests have already gone down the liberals' ...

Given the context of your comment ....

Do you hold that an individual must either be wholly conservative or wholly liberal?   That is, if someone takes a position that ideologically differs from yours, are they automatically a liberal in your eyes?

Basically, the argument that essentially claims that the government is exploiting the pandemic to impose its will on the people.  

Is that how you interpret those six sentences? It looks to me like the claim is being made that some places weren't strict enough.

Is that how you interpret those six sentences?

I was not trying to interpret the content of the seed.   I made a comment and answered your question.

TiG @3 ☞ It seems to be conservatives who push this notion that the precautions are overkill.   Where do you think this comes from?   Seems like reckless wishful thinking to me. 

Vic @3.1 ☞ Look at all the protests that are all over the country. Don't you think that's reckless?

TiG @3.1.4 ☞ Yes I do think protests without precautions is reckless.   But I was speaking of the arguments made.   Basically, the argument that essentially claims that the government is exploiting the pandemic to impose its will on the people.   In a word: overkill.

My comment was that it seems that those pushing the idea that precautions against COVID-19 is overkill by authorities are on 'the right'.  

And in answering your question, I opined that protests without precautions is reckless.

My comment was that it seems that those pushing the idea that precautions against COVID-19 is overkill by authorities are on 'the right'.  

And another way of saying that is that those favoring extreme measures to absolutely shut down the economy for as long as possible are on the left.

Now I'm making a comment and it can be viewed as equally valid. So there is no need to post any more quotes.


And in answering your question, I opined that protests without precautions is reckless.

Thank you again. The fact that the same media which only a few weeks ago condemned people for going to beaches, but is now silent & openly giddy about mass demonstrations is another aspect of it. However, I'm not asking for your opinion of that.

Have a nice day.

Look at all the protests that are all over the country. Don't you think that's reckless?

Wow, off topic deflection......again. 

Care to address the article?

And another way of saying that is that those favoring extreme measures to absolutely shut down the economy for as long as possible are on the left.

I am sure there are some on the left who are willing to compromise the economy as a wedge to defeat Trump.   I condemn such a practice as irresponsible.

There is a difference though.   The argument to impose precautions such as stay-at-home (which is now relaxing), social distancing, masks, cleaning, etc. is based on our modern understanding of viruses, coronavirus in particular, and pandemics in general.   So when someone, such as myself, argues that it makes sense to engage in precautions until we have stabilized the infections and to continue with select precautions until we have a vaccine and/or cure, then that argument is based on facts and reason.   It is an argument that has nothing whatsoever to do with partisan politics.

The fact that the same media which only a few weeks ago condemned people for going to beaches, but is now silent & openly giddy about mass demonstrations is another aspect of it. However, I'm not asking for your opinion of that.

I have no interest trying to explain the media.   I will note, however, that taking precautions today and ongoing is the responsible way to operate.   It is far better to suck it up now to prevent this pandemic from growing worse.   It is difficult but things would be substantially more difficult if we threw caution to the wind.   As it stands right now, our economy will recover.   We will get back to a new normal.   There is good reason to be optimistic that we will get past this (with scars).   But one should be able to recognize that this pandemic could have been devastating (well beyond what we experienced) if we had a worldwide view that the precautions are simply an exploitation of a situation to impose more authoritarian rule and thus were ignored.  And, importantly, we could easily spike right back to a worldwide pandemic if we drop our guards.

Is it Conservatives?   Look at all the protests that are all over the country. Don't you think that's reckless?

Yes it's reckless.  You could only imagine how many would show up were it not for coronovirus. Many people stayed away because of it.  I went down there for a few hours one day and kept my distance, wore an n95 mask, and registered 21 voters.

So when someone, such as myself, argues that it makes sense to engage in precautions until we have stabilized the infections and to continue with select precautions until we have a vaccine and/or cure, then that argument is based on facts and reason. 

What did you think of the WHO reporting that Coronavirus patients without symptoms aren’t driving the spread of the virus. They said that Monday.

Walked it back since.  cnbc

Thoughts?

The explanation is that results from admittedly statistically weak data suggest the spread by asymptomatic individuals was rare.   But we also know that asymptomatic individuals can indeed spread the virus.

My take is that science continues to report based on what is has discovered and will revise prior recommendations as needed.  Nothing surprising here to me.   As far as I am concerned, given we (collectively) do not understand asymptomatic spread we should err on the side of caution and assume that anyone could be infectious. 

o you hold that an individual must either be wholly conservative or wholly liberal? 

Not at all.

No, but those who self identify as liberals or progressives or always post liberal talking points tend to behave very predictably.  And they will ignore the protests altogether when talking about any spike in corona-virus cases. It's right here on this post for all to see. 

 That is, if someone takes a position that ideologically differs from yours, are they automatically a liberal in your eyes?

Not at all. My ideology isn't even that right wing, so many who disagree with me are more "conservative" then I am.  

No, but those who self identify as liberals or progressives or always post liberal talking points tend to behave very predictably.

I agree, partisans and ideologues behave in very predictable manners.   This is not limited to a particular ideology or a particular party.

Not at all.

Then you were not, in spite of the very obvious context, including me as a 'liberal'?  

When I saw a news clip showing a man in California being detained by police because he flouted the guidelines, shouting:  "I woke up this morning a free man...."  I could see where this was going.  The cultural difference between those to whom the good, the safety and happiness of the collective, or caring for others more than oneself, is commonplace differs so vastly from those who demand their personal freedom and rights and fuck everyone else does make it clear where the numbers were going to skyrocket.  In my opinion, you ain't seen nothin' yet.  

In my opinion, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

I totally agree. 

In the initial outbreaks, our government began its Socialist policy of bailing out failing companies. And actually giving out checks to many people and companies (Ironic because on Fox news they are constantly obsessing about the dangers of "Socialism"....but of course its OK with them when Trump does it!

But with a second out, eventually the government will have to stop doing that.

And while shutting down parts of the economy worked in states who did it during the initial outbreak-- when the second outbreak strikes most of the population will be more reluctsnt to stay home again...

But with a second out, eventually the government will have to stop doing that. And while shutting down parts of the economy worked in states who did it during the initial outbreak-- when the second outbreak strikes most of the population will be more reluctsnt to stay home again...

In addition, many believe the first outbreak was temporary-- eventually "we'd get though this". (People who lost their jobs were saying "We're temporarily unemployed" but after a second outbreak, many of those companies may not to re-open-- and have to go out of business!

"we'd get though this"

Didn't Trump say it was going to disappear?

It seems to be conservatives who push this notion that the precautions are overkill.   Where do you think this comes from?

From Trump-- and his spineless sycophants.

From the beginning he denied that it was serious. And Fox news and his other flunkies parroted his every word.

Here's an excellent video that show exactly what they said and how they downplayed the seriousness of the Corona-virus. Amazingly stupid comments in retrospect! Note how early on they were in total denial.

(In the video the dates they made each statement are written on the bottom of the screen):

Buzz:  If you want to search for that video on a site you have access to, here's the title you can try searching for:

"Saluting the Heroes of The Pandumic - The Daily Show"

I tried bing, yahoo and ecosia searches and could not open it.  Only SixPick and perhaps another member can convert it to a format I can watch.

Oh. It's going to get crazy. Like, way crazier than the first wave.

Here you go btw. Some light viewing: