AP FACT CHECK: Is US great again or dystopian? GOP says both

  

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Via:  dulay  •  last year  •  12 comments

By:   CALVIN WOODWARD, HOPE YEN and JOSH BOAK, Associated Press

AP FACT CHECK: Is US great again or dystopian? GOP says both
The Republican National Convention begged this question: Why are President Donald Trump’s most fervent supporters describing the state of his union as a hellscape?

Here is the predicate for the AP Fact Check, go to the link to read the blow by blow of the BS that was spewed. 

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It was perhaps the central paradox for voters wondering what to believe in the rhetoric, because it defied logic to believe it all. Are Americans living in a dystopia or in an America made great again by Trump?

Four years ago, candidate Trump promised that if he won, "The crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon come to an end. Beginning on January 20th, 2017, safety will be restored.”

Now? “I’ve never seen our streets go this bad so quickly," Pat Lynch, representing tens of thousands of New York police officers, told the GOP proceedings. “We are staring down the barrel of a public safety disaster.” He said this in remarks singing Trump's praises.

Rudy Giuliani, Trump's personal lawyer and a former New York mayor, spoke of years of “carnage” and violence rising now, and implored, “Mr. President, make our nation safe again."

All of the convention's apocalyptic rhetoric was in service of bashing Trump challenger Joe Biden, Democratic mayors and national Democrats both in and out of office as being soft on violence and anarchy. Yet the landscape of lawlessness they described is Trump's America now.

Hyperbole suffused the proceedings, both when Trump and his supporters hailed his record and when they denounced the other side. Outright falsehoods were heard every night on the social justice protests, the coronavirus, the economy and Biden's agenda.


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Dulay
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1  seeder  Dulay    last year
DONALD TRUMP JR. on the coronavirus response: “The president quickly took action and shut down travel from China.” — Monday.

THE FACTS: No, he didn't shut down travel from China.   He restricted it . Dozens of countries took similar steps to control travel from hot spots before or around the same time the U.S. did.

The U.S. restrictions that took effect Feb. 2 continued to allow travel to the U.S. from China’s Hong Kong and Macao territories over the past five months. The Associated Press reported that more than 8,000 Chinese and foreign nationals based in those territories entered the U.S. in the first three months after the travel restrictions were imposed.

Additionally, more than 27,000 Americans returned from mainland China in the first month after the restrictions took effect. U.S. officials lost track of more than 1,600 of them who were supposed to be monitored for virus exposure.
 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Dulay @1    last year

All of the convention's apocalyptic rhetoric was in service of bashing Trump challenger Joe Biden, Democratic mayors and national Democrats both in and out of office as being soft on violence and anarchy. Yet the landscape of lawlessness they described is Trump's America now.

All the violence that has go on for months now....seems to be organized and well funded.

It appears that most of the participants belong to Antifa or BLM, known thugs and troublemakers

Sadly, left wing politicians and "leaders" seem to condone the violence and actively resist offers of Federal help in cleaning this mess up

Only so much Trump can do

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    last year

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Dulay
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1.1.2  seeder  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    last year
It appears that most of the participants belong to Antifa or BLM, known thugs and troublemakers

It does? How so Greg? You do know that the AP did a study of arrests in the last few months and found little to no connection of those arrested with Antifa OR 'known thugs and troublemakers' right? 

As an example, the majority of arrests in Kenosha are for violation of the curfew. Hardly a part of a 'landscape of lawlessness'. 

Sadly, left wing politicians and "leaders" seem to condone the violence

Bullshit.. 

and actively resist offers of Federal help in cleaning this mess up

Like they did in Portland Greg? The Feds ESCALATED the violence. 

Only so much Trump can

What has Trump done? Name ONE thing Trump has done to address the violence and anarchy. 

Firing teargas at peaceful protesters and holding up a bible don't count...

Oh and BTFW, if he CAN fix it, why isn't he doing it? Why wait until AFTER the election? WTF has he been waiting for all this time?

Come on Greg, you seem to think that the Feds can 'clean up the mess' so explain Trump's abdication. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2  Paula Bartholomew    last year

No 'But Biden' whataboutism.

The article mentions Biden a lot.  Still, a great seed from you as usual.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1  seeder  Dulay  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2    last year
The article mentions Biden a lot.

If a member can refute the cited fact checking, have at it, but I won't suffer fools who only want to post 'whatabout' Biden...

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Dulay @2.1    last year

Ahhh.  Got ya.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    last year

Pretty devastating (to Trump) list of fact checks.  No one should vote for the POS based on this fact check (and others like it ) alone. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.1  seeder  Dulay  replied to  JohnRussell @3    last year

But alas John, it seems that no amount of empirical evidence will sway Trump's sycophants. As far as they are concerned, the RNC was wonderful, politicizing OUR White House is AWESOME and it doesn't matter that the vast majority of what was said was stated to gaslight them. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Dulay @3.1    last year

I doubt if most Trumpsters , here and elsewhere, will even read that list of fact checks about Trump's claims. They don't want anything interfering with their idolatry of their "hero". 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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3.1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    last year

A hero is a sammich and in Trump's case...all bologna.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4  seeder  Dulay    last year

Unlocked. 

 
 
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