Removal of flag honoring veterans from White House sparks anger

  

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Via:  pj  •  2 weeks ago  •  36 comments

By:    Alexandra Alper and Idrees Ali

Removal of flag honoring veterans from White House sparks anger

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A decision by the Trump administration earlier this year to move the flag honoring missing war veterans from a prominent position atop the White House to a less visible spot on the South Lawn has angered some veterans and lawmakers, who see it as disrespectful and potentially illegal.


The flag is dedicated to prisoners of war and service members who are missing in action. According to a White House video posted in June, it was relocated in a private ceremony with full military honors, months after President Donald Trump signed into law a bill requiring the flag to be flown at certain federal sites including the White House every day.

The revelations come amid growing questions over Trump's respect for the military, after a report last week by the Atlantic magazine alleging that Trump had called fallen American soldiers "losers" and "suckers" sparked outrage and controversy.

Trump denied the assertions, but has publicly disparaged the service of the late Senator John McCain, a war veteran, and was accused of criticizing his own generals in excerpts of a forthcoming book titled "Rage," by Bob Woodward.

"It's bad enough that President Trump publicly ridicules American heroes like Senator McCain and others who were captured on the battlefield. He inexplicably promotes the Confederate flag but fails to fly the POW/MIA flag," said Democratic Senator Jack Reed, a co-sponsor of the bill. "It's part of a pattern of disrespect by President Trump toward those who honorably served our nation."

Reed, and fellow Democratic Senators Elizabeth Warren and Margaret Hassan, who also co-sponsored the bill, sent a letter to the White House on Thursday requesting that it reconsider the flag's relocation.

"This decision to abruptly move the POW/MIA Flag from atop the White House to an area that is apparently not visible to the public may violate federal law and does not appropriately honor the service and sacrifices of American prisoners of war, missing servicemembers, and their families," the letter reads.

The White House defended the change of venue but did not offer a reason for it.

"President Trump dedicated a POW/MIA memorial site earlier this year on the White House grounds to forever remember our heroic service members who were prisoners of war or missing in action," White House spokesman Judd Deere said. "The President selected a site on the Southwest corner of the South Lawn for this prominent and sacred memorial, which is visible to all those who visit the White House, that features the POW/MIA flag," he added.

The black and white flag, which reads "you are not forgotten," depicts a man beneath a guard tower gazing down at a barbed wire fence. Roughly 82,000 American servicemembers are still missing since World War Two.

U.S. law requires the flag to be displayed in a "manner designed to ensure visibility to the public." In its current position, it can be viewed from limited vantage points outside the White House complex.

The American Ex-Prisoners of War group, which represents 10,000 former POWs and their families, said it was outraged last month when it learned of the move, calling it a "slap in the face."

"While he touts his support for the U.S. Armed Forces and their families, actions speak louder than words. And this action speaks of disdain for Prisoners of War and the Missing in Action," the group said.

The bill, co-sponsored by Republicans including Senators Marco Rubio, Tom Cotton and John Thune, was signed by Trump in November and sought to give the flag a lasting place of prominence.

Over Memorial Day weekend this May, Trump touted his signing of the law to representatives of Rolling Thunder, a veterans advocacy group.

"In the months since, that righteous flag has proudly flown over the White House; you probably noticed it today," Trump told them.

But its relocation prompted inquiries from veterans advocates, including Artie Muller, founder and executive director of Rolling Thunder, who said he "wasn't too happy" when he learned of the change.

"It was supposed to be over the White House," he said, adding that he did not see it as illegal or disrespectful, but hoped it would be restored to its prior location to increase visibility.

Ann Mills-Griffiths, chairman and chief executive officer of the National League of POW/MIA Families, said that "working-level White House staff members" had been made aware of the concern over the flag not being flown over the White House.

For its part, the American legion said it was pleased that the flag "flies 24/7 at its own POW/MIA Memorial on White House grounds."


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PJ
1  seeder  PJ    2 weeks ago
"This decision to abruptly move the POW/MIA Flag from atop the White House to an area that is apparently not visible to the public may violate federal law and does not appropriately honor the service and sacrifices of American prisoners of war, missing servicemembers, and their families," the letter reads.
The White House defended the change of venue but did not offer a reason for it.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  PJ @1    2 weeks ago

Trump seems to have some sort of psychological dysfunction related to U.S. prisoners of war or MIA.  It's hard to imagine anyone but Trump ordered the removal of this flag to a less visible and prominent location. 

I think it's true, I think he really does consider those who were killed or captured or became missing in our wars to be "losers". 

Nice find PJ. 

 
 
 
PJ
1.1.1  seeder  PJ  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    2 weeks ago

Their sacrifice is the highest any American can give to their country.  I'm not exactly sure what is driving this aversion to those in our military.  It's weird.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  PJ @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

Because he knows inside that he could never measure up.  It is a blatant reminder that he is a coward where others showed the metal of their character.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.2    2 weeks ago

trumpturd doesn't measure up in any way, shape, or form to a decent human being.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.2    2 weeks ago

I think that's exactly it. I was trying to form the words in my head, but you said it best. It's like that flag is an affront to him because it reminds him of how cowardly he is. And I do think he listens to criticism regarding him and how he treats the military.

That flag commands so much more respect than he could ever hope to have

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.5  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.4    2 weeks ago

Have you noticed how he denigrates everyone that he knows is better than he is and has achieved more than he has because of their character.....  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.5    2 weeks ago

Oh, yes I have. He pisses on veterans because he knows they had the balls to go do what he was too afraid to do. He hates scientists because they make him look foolish. He can't stand intellectuals because he can't figure out what they're talking about.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.2  1stwarrior  replied to  PJ @1    2 weeks ago

The White House is not/did not move the U.S. flag from the roof of the White House - just the POW/MIA flag.

On November 7, 2019, the National POW/MIA Flag Act was signed into law, requiring the POW/MIA flag to be flown on certain federal properties, including the US Capitol Building, on all days the flag of the United States is flown.

The White House is NOT the U.S. Capitol Building.  The U.S. Capitol Building is where Congress meets and has offices.

 
 
 
Kavika
2  Kavika     2 weeks ago

How utterly disgusting. Trump has never served a day in his life and IMO, is very jealous of real men and women that served in the military. 

 

 
 
 
PJ
2.1  seeder  PJ  replied to  Kavika @2    2 weeks ago

There's definitely a diagnosis there but you would think someone in the WH or in his campaign would tell him now is not the best time to do anything that may be viewed as controversial as it relates to his support for our military.  He is going to need that block of voters.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  PJ @2.1    2 weeks ago

Trump knows his military supporters have turned away from him so now he just wants to heap more abuse upon them.  He is all butt hurt because they don't like him now, so screw them.

 
 
 
PJ
2.1.2  seeder  PJ  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.1    2 weeks ago

Yes, some are upset with his comments but other Vets have said they don't care that he disparages them.  They plan on continuing to support him.  That may be one reason he doesn't feel he needs to pretend to care.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  PJ @2.1.2    2 weeks ago

Any vets who still supports him are total scum and no longer part of my extended family.  They have dishonored the uniform they wore.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.3    2 weeks ago

Almost all of the people I hang with are veterans. They still support him even after he's dumped on them.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1.5  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.4    2 weeks ago

Why hang out with them then?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.1.6  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.4    2 weeks ago

And are any of their reasons for still supporting him valid, or are they mixing the Kool-Aid (bug juice) extra strong prior to consumption?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.1.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.5    2 weeks ago

They're Mr G's friends and I don't have any of my own. I do like my daughter's MIL. We're like sisters and she doesn't get political

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.6    2 weeks ago

I honestly don't know. I suspect that some of them think that just because they're veterans they're supposed to support the Republican Party. My own husband doesn't like him very much but he supports him as pres.

And it could be that they are just assholes. I like that idea

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @2    2 weeks ago

Everything about trumpturd is utterly disgusting.  

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
3  Release The Kraken    2 weeks ago

The flag is still there. Another bogus story bites the dust.

 
 
 
PJ
3.1  seeder  PJ  replied to  Release The Kraken @3    2 weeks ago

Yes, the flag is still on the WH grounds but it has been moved from it's prominent spot to a less visible location. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  PJ @3.1    2 weeks ago

So what? Should a flag for every group or unit be flown atop the WH?

Trump has little use for the generals, whose only goal in life appears to be to get involved in endless wars to keep their buddies in the defense industries happy. Eisenhower was correct in his warning

Trump supports the troops and wants to bring them home

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  PJ @3.1    2 weeks ago

It is like when you hide the picture of your in laws in the closet.  It is still in the house but in less visible location.

 
 
 
PJ
3.1.3  seeder  PJ  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

Well.....I think the flag is a symbol of prisoners of war and the missing in action.  It's not exclusive to generals. 

You seem to be confusing policy with tradition and honor.  The flag doesn't promote war or spending. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.1.4  FLYNAVY1  replied to  PJ @3.1.3    2 weeks ago

You've got it exactly right PJ......  That flag is about remembering those that sacrificed for this country at levels rarely accounted for in the history books.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
3.1.5  1stwarrior  replied to  PJ @3.1.3    2 weeks ago

The White House in Washington, D.C., is the official residence of the President of the United States. Being the official residence of the U.S. head of state, it flies the U.S. flag from a flagpole on its rooftop. The U.S. flag is flown there 24 hours a day and seven days a week.

As the official residence of the U.S. head of state, the United States' national flag is permanently displayed from the White House's rooftop flagpole.  Contrary to popular misconception, that U.S. flag is not lowered or removed from the flagpole when the U.S. president departs from the building's premises, but remains flying.  This has been the case since September 1970, when then–U.S. president Richard M. Nixon mandated this practice on the suggestion of his wife and the then–U.S. first lady, Pat Nixon.

Aside from the U.S. flag, other flags have occasionally been flown from the rooftop flagpole on the White House. The only foreign national flags to have been flown there are those of Serbia and France, the former flown alongside the U.S. flag in July 1918 as a show of solidarity by the United States towards the Serbian people during World War I, and the latter done in July 1920 to commemorate the French Bastille Day.

The U.S. flag that is displayed on the rooftop flagpole on top the White House is often lowered to half-staff on the direction of the U.S. president in order to commemorate a certain occasion or object, such as a person or persons important to the United States who had recently died (such as prominent political figures like U.S. senators and congressmen).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_at_the_White_House#:~:text=The%20White%20House%20in%20Washington,and%20seven%20days%20a%20week.

It is not a symbol of prisoners of war and the missing in action.

 
 
 
Kavika
3.1.6  Kavika   replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

You understand that Generals cannot declare war or invade a country don't you Greg?

The person that can send troops or declare war is the President. 

Yet Trump increased the Military budget. Go figure when Trump declares that the Generals are warmongers.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.7  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

Now you know why Trump had it removed.

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1.8  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.1    2 weeks ago
Trump has little use for the generals, whose only goal in life appears to be to get involved in endless wars to keep their buddies in the defense industries happy.

Generals cannot start wars and they don't have ties to defense industries. Once again, trump tells a lie and supporters run to the internet to spew his bullshit. Seriously, regurgitating the bullshit that comes out of trumps mouth, a guy that has told over  18,000 lies in 4 years, isn't a good look for anyone. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.5    2 weeks ago

You apparently misread the statement.

The topic is this flag

196

which is most certainly the symbol for all POWs and MIA throughout our history.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Release The Kraken @3    2 weeks ago

Now you are calling Reuters liars? , Reuters is considered possibly the most straightforward news agency in the world. Have you ever called Trump a liar? 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.2.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    2 weeks ago

He can't take the chance that his Trumpy Bear will be repossessed.

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.2.2  Split Personality  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    2 weeks ago

and NewsMax and OANN,

It is unclear if the recently signed law requires it to be on the WH.

On November 7, 2019, the National POW/MIA Flag Act was signed into law, requiring the POW/MIA flag to be flown on certain federal properties, including the US Capitol Building, on all days the flag of the United States is flown. Previously, the flag was only flown on Armed Forces Day, Memorial Day, Flag Day, Independence Day, National POW/MIA Recognition Day, and Veterans Day.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_League_of_Families_POW/MIA_Flag

"certain federal properties"?

https://www.congress.gov/116/plaws/publ67/PLAW-116publ67.pdf

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
5  Thrawn 31    2 weeks ago

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MrFrost
6  MrFrost    2 weeks ago

Of course he moved the flag, all of us vets are losers and suckers according to donny the draft dodger. 

 
 
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