Kamala alienates Manchin 10 days into the job

  

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Via:  texan1211  •  4 weeks ago  •  47 comments

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Kamala alienates Manchin 10 days into the job
Just 10 days into the job, President Biden may be facing some buyer's remorse.

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Kamala alienates Manchin 10 days into the job

Just 10 days into the job, President Biden may be facing some buyer's remorse.

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In her first real political gambit as vice president, Kamala Harris went on a local West Virginia news station to try and sell the state on the administration's coronavirus bill. Well, really, Harris was trying to sell it to one West Virginian in particular, Sen. Joe Manchin, the swing vote in a 50-50 deadlocked Senate.

Harris's pressure campaign backfired. Badly. Manchin, who has implored the White House to dial down the cost of the aid bill and try to compromise with Republicans, took to the same outlet to blast Harris for attempting to bully him in his own backyard.

"I saw [the interview], I couldn't believe it," he said. "No one called me [about it]. We're going to try to find a bipartisan pathway forward, but we need to work together. That's not a way of working together."

West Virginia is an R +19 state, and if Harris wants to wrangle Manchin into a vote that ensures a Democrat never represents West Virginia in the Senate, that's a 2024 problem. But Biden and Harris have to govern right now, and even if they believe they can squeak this thing through reconciliation, a feat that still seems dubious as a matter of procedure, Democrats still need Manchin's vote so Harris can come in and break the tie.

Biden ran on the promise of a return to normalcy and uniting the nation amid partisan divides. Passing a $1.9 trillion grab bag replete with items such as a $15 federal minimum wage with not a single Republican's support, and all of this after Congress already spent $4 trillion on coronavirus relief while we have our highest national debt-to-GDP ratio since World War II, is neither normal nor uniting.

Unlike his predecessor, Biden isn't spitballing to Maggie Haberman from the residence or live-tweeting from the Oval Office. We have little on where his head is at on the relief issue. But between Manchin's evident recalcitrance and the most centrist Senate Republicans now formally and publicly lobbying Biden to bring them to the table, the pressure is on, in large part thanks to Harris insulting Manchin when she needed him the most.

Harris achieved next to nothing in the Senate, and her presidential campaign flamed out so dramatically that she was forced to withdraw from the primaries before Iowa. Biden may have finally gotten the media to gush at how #historic and #progressive his presidency is by putting the first woman, first black American, and first Asian American in the vice presidency, but he has to get a handle on her before her Clintonian political instincts cost him his agenda.

Tags:Opinion, Beltway Confidential, Joe Manchin, Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, Coronavirus

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Texan1211
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1  seeder  Texan1211    4 weeks ago

Sometimes, just being #historic and #progressive doesn't cut it.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2  Ozzwald    4 weeks ago

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Texan1211
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2.1  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2    4 weeks ago

So, in fact, you offer absolutely nothing to disprove any word in the article.

Good to know that all you have is an attack on a source!

So, which (if any at all, of course) facts in the article are you claiming are incorrect?

Did Harris not give an interview? Did Manchin not respond? 

What do you dispute, and WHY?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2    4 weeks ago

Within the guidelines set forth. Is there a problem?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2    4 weeks ago

Within the guidelines set forth. Is there a problem?

Did I say there was?  Just putting things into context.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.2  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2    4 weeks ago

I guess he doesn't dispute the actual article--just kvetching about the source.

I will give him credit for not bothering to argue the facts though.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.3  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.1    4 weeks ago
Just putting things into context.

The article put things in context.

Harris alienated a Democratic Senator who the Administration needs to be on board.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.3    4 weeks ago

Harris alienated a Democratic Senator who the Administration needs to be on board.

Says the opinion of a conservative author who works for a questionable "news" agency.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.5  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.4    4 weeks ago

I am sorry if you don't recognize what Harris did, or how Manchin reacted.

The Biden Administration needs Manchin. 

Manchin doesn't need the Democratic Party.

One must remember the Senate is split 50-50.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.5    4 weeks ago
I am sorry if you don't recognize what Harris did, or how Manchin reacted.

You were there?  You have spoken to him personally?  Didn't think so.

The Biden Administration needs Manchin.

The confusion here is that the GOP demands lock-step obedience, not the Democrats.

Manchin doesn't need the Democratic Party.

Nobody needs the Republican party.

One must remember the Senate is split 50-50.

So let's just have everyone vote straight down party lines, and see who wins.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.7  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.6    4 weeks ago
You were there?  You have spoken to him personally?  Didn't think so.

No need to be silly. I didn't claim I was there, but I did read the article and others.

The confusion here is that the GOP demands lock-step obedience, not the Democrats.

Confusion? What are you confused about? Simple reality dictates in a 50-50 Senate split that the Biden Admin. can not tolerate defectors within their own party if it wishes to pass items.

Nobody needs the Republican party.

Did someone here make it a point of saying anyone did? Nice deflection.

So let's just have everyone vote straight down party lines, and see who wins.

You can write that, but can't see that the Democratic Party needs Manchin to get to the 50-50 vote split? WTF? Do you know that the Vice-President will only get to vote if it is a 50-50 tie?

Do you know what the point the author was trying to make?

 
 
 
MAGA
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2.2.8  MAGA  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.2    4 weeks ago

What’s the issue with the Examiner? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.9  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  MAGA @2.2.8    4 weeks ago

Some may think if it isn't CNN, MSNBC, The NYTimes or Washington Post, it MUST be "fake" news!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @2.3    4 weeks ago

Your original source, The Washington Examiner is not a reliable source.

"Since you don't like that source, will these suffice?"

They're all obviously far right wing sources, so no, they won't suffice!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.3.2  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @2.3.1    4 weeks ago
Your original source, The Washington Examiner is not a reliable source.

Can you dispute anything in the article? Anything at all?

"Since you don't like that source, will these suffice?" They're all obviously far right wing sources, so no, they won't suffice!

You have made it abundantly clear here many times that you don't read links, so I have zero confidence that you even opened a single one of them up.

Do you have anything to say about the content of the article, or just interested in trashing a source you don't like?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.3.3  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @2.3.1    4 weeks ago

Here is another source for you to not look at.

Perhaps CNN is now far right wing to you?

Joe Biden just made his first big mistake as president (msn.com)

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.3.4  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @2.3.2    4 weeks ago

I don't read YOUR links.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.3.5  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @2.3.4    4 weeks ago
I don't read YOUR links.  

Yes, you have made it quite clear you don't read links.

Nothing new there.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.3.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.3.2    4 weeks ago
Can you dispute anything in the article?

It's not an article, it is an opinion piece.  The author drew the conclusion himself.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.3.7  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.6    4 weeks ago

So you may choose to ignore facts, but they will still exist for those willing to look!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.3.8  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.3.7    4 weeks ago
So you may choose to ignore facts, but they will still exist for those willing to look!

Can you not read what I write?  I just checked, and it is in English.  I stated that the author drew his own conclusion, I never said anything about any "facts".

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.3.9  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.8    4 weeks ago

The author drew obvious conclusions based on the facts.

Problem?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.3.10  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.8    4 weeks ago
I just checked, and it is in English.

Hmm, I have never had that problem, I always know what language I post in.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.3.11  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.3.10    4 weeks ago

Hmm, I have never had that problem, I always know what language I post in.

And yet comprehension, so often, seems to elude you.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.3.12  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.11    4 weeks ago

Hmm............and yet, I am not the one who feels the need to check what language I posted in.

Go figure!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.3.13  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.3.12    4 weeks ago
and yet, I am not the one who feels the need to check what language I posted in.

Which language is that?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.3.14  Greg Jones  replied to  Texan1211 @2.3.2    4 weeks ago

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Texan1211
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2.3.15  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.13    4 weeks ago
Which language is that?

So now you don't even know what language you are reading?

Wow.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.3.16  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @2.3.9    4 weeks ago

What facts?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.3.17  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @2.3.16    4 weeks ago
What facts?

The rather obvious facts contained in the article you didn't read.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3  Thomas    4 weeks ago

So, basically he is upset that he didn't get called to be on the interview, too???  

I'll have some air cooked fries with that nothing burger, please.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Thomas @3    4 weeks ago
So, basically he is upset that he didn't get called to be on the interview, too???  

If one misses the entire point of the article, one might assume such nonsense.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.1.1  Thomas  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1    4 weeks ago

It is not nonsense at all. I watched the interview, both parts of it and the response of the Senator on the same channel. She did not say anything against the Senator. As a matter of fact, she said nothing at all about him, presumably because she was not asked. If the Senator was upset, it can not be said that it was through an error of commission. Apparently, he was butt-hurt because no-one called him about the interview. 

Perhaps you could explain what, if anything, the issue was besides this? 

From the words of the article it appears more to be a hit piece against Harris than anything else.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.2  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Thomas @3.1.1    4 weeks ago

If one misses the entire point of the article, one might assume such nonsense.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.1.3  Thomas  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.2    4 weeks ago

I thought not.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.4  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Thomas @3.1.3    4 weeks ago
I thought not.

If you don't get what the article is about, then you just don't get it.

So be it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.5  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.4    4 weeks ago

If Thomas is wrong then tell him why ... ‘nuh ‘uh is not cutting it.   He asked you to explain your objection (as he did his).   

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.6  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.5    4 weeks ago
If Thomas is wrong then tell him why ... ‘nuh ‘uh is not cutting it.   He asked you to explain your objection (as he did his)

I will continue to choose what I reply to, when I reply to it, and how I reply to it.

If someone doesn't like it, tough.

Your unsolicited advice is duly noted.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.1.7  Thomas  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.6    4 weeks ago

Yet you can muster the energy to reply to another... Which tells me that you cannot reply to my assessment of the article because it is true. Now is your chance to make a reasoned rebuttal.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.8  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Thomas @3.1.7    4 weeks ago
Yet you can muster the energy to reply to another... Which tells me that you cannot reply to my assessment of the article because it is true. Now is your chance to make a reasoned rebuttal.

Ah, but I did indeed already respond to your post.

Whether you can read it, see it, understand it, or like it isn't on me.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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4  Thrawn 31    4 weeks ago

If he is going to carry water for the GOP then lethim join to GOP

 
 
 
MAGA
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4.1  MAGA  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4    4 weeks ago

That might happen.  Something like that did happen 20 years ago when the senate was 50-50.  Even if he became an independent not caucusing with either party, he’d return the senate to GOP control.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4    4 weeks ago

Democrats need him, get used to it.

 
 
 
JBB
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4.2.1  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2    4 weeks ago

West Virginia's republican governor came out strongly for the biggest imagonable stimulus package so I do not think Manchin will be out of step with the Democrats on Biden's agenda...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.3  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @4.2.1    4 weeks ago

West Virginia's republican governor came out strongly for the biggest imagonable stimulus package so I do not think Manchin will be out of step with the Democrats on Biden's agenda..

Hate to be the one to break the news to you, but West Virginia's Governor doesn't get a vote on it.

Perhaps actually reading the article would give you some insight into what issues Manchin had with Harris' interview, maybe not.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5  Greg Jones    4 weeks ago

The point, in spite of some uninformed and ignorant people questioning the source, or the validity of the content, is that Biden and the Dems need every Senate vote they can muster in order to get anything passed. Their are probably a few more decent Democrats in the Senate like Manchin who will vote their conscience instead of falling in lockstep with the nuttier members of their party.

Also, ground work for the midterms is already being laid and the Dems better get serious about responsible governing or they could lose seats in both Houses.

 
 
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