QAnon Believers Are Obsessed With Hillary Clinton. She Has Thoughts.


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Via:  john-russell  •  3 weeks ago  •  6 comments

By:   Michelle Goldberg

 QAnon Believers Are Obsessed With Hillary Clinton. She Has Thoughts.
The mass execution cult has roots in three decades of demonization.

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T

The mass execution cult has roots in three decades of demonization.


By Michelle Goldberg

 New York Times Opinion Columnist

  • Feb. 5, 2021


A clear indication that Marjorie Taylor Greene was more than a dabbler in QAnon was her 2018 endorsement of "Frazzledrip," one of the most grotesque tendrils of the movement's mythology. You "have to go down a number of rabbit holes to get that far," said Mike Rothschild, whose book about QAnon, "The Storm Is Upon Us," comes out later this year.

The lurid fantasy of Frazzledrip refers to an imaginary video said to show Hillary Clinton and her former aide, Huma Abedin, assaulting and disfiguring a young girl, and drinking her blood. It holds that several cops saw the video, and Clinton had them killed.

When Greene posted a picture of Donald Trump with the mother of the slain N.Y.P.D. officer Miosotis Familia on Facebook, one of her commenters described Frazzledrip and wrote, "This was another Hillary hit." Greene replied, "Yes Familia," then continued, "I post things sometimes to see who knows things. Most the time people don't. I'm glad to see your comment."

Contemplating Frazzledrip, it occurred to me that QAnon is the obscene apotheosis of three decades of Clinton demonization. It's other things as well, including a repurposed version of the old anti-Semitic blood libel, which accused Jews of using the blood of Christian children in their rituals, and a cult lusting for mass public executions. According to the F.B.I., it's a domestic terror threat.

But QAnon is also the terminal stage of the national derangement over Clinton that began as soon as she entered public life. "It's my belief that QAnon really took off because it was based on Hillary Clinton," said Rothschild. "It was based specifically on something that a lot of 4chan dwellers wanted to see happen, which was Hillary Clinton arrested and sort of dragged away in chains."

I was curious what Clinton thinks about all this, and it turns out she's been thinking about it a lot. "For me, it does go back to my earliest days in national politics, when it became clear to me that there was a bit of a market in trafficking in the most outlandish accusations and wild stories concerning me, my family, people that we knew, people close to us," she told me.

The difference is that, even if Fox News or Rush Limbaugh spread demented lies about the Clintons, there was no algorithm feeding their audience ever-sicker stuff to maximize their engagement. For most ordinary people, there were no slot machine-like dopamine hits to be had for upping the ante on what might be the greatest collective slander in American history.

Looking back to the 1990s, it's easy to see QAnon's antecedents. In "Clinton Crazy," a 1997 New York Times Magazine story, Philip Weiss delved into the multipronged subculture devoted to anathematizing the first couple. He described "freelance obsessives, the people for whom the Internet was invented, cerebral hobbyists who have glimpsed in the Clinton scandals a high moral drama that might shake society to its roots."

The people Weiss wrote about targeted both Clintons, but there was always a special venom reserved for Hillary, seen as a feminist succubus out to annihilate traditional family relations. An attendee at the 1996 Republican National Convention told the feminist writer Susan Faludi, "It's well-established that Hillary Clinton belonged to a satanic cult, still does." Running for Congress in 2014, Ryan Zinke, who would later become Trump's secretary of the interior, described her as "the Antichrist." (He later said he was joking.) Trump himself called Clinton "the Devil."

For Clinton, these supernatural smears are part of an old story. "This is rooted in ancient scapegoating of women, of doing everything to undermine women in the public arena, women with their own voices, women who speak up against power and the patriarchy," she said. "This is a Salem Witch Trials line of argument against independent, outspoken, pushy women. And it began to metastasize around me." In this sense, Frazzledrip is just a particularly disgusting version of misogynist hatred she's always contended with.

Nor is the claim that she's a murderer new; it's been an article of faith on the right ever since the 1993 suicide of Vince Foster, an aide to Bill Clinton and a close friend of Hillary's. Recently I spoke to Preston Crow, who, when he was a graduate student in 1994, created one of the first anti-Clinton websites, where he posted about things like the "Clinton body count." (He has since become a Democrat, and he voted for Hillary in 2016.) "Once you start following the conspiracy theories, it's fairly similar," he told me. "QAnon took it several steps farther."

Greene now claims that she no longer believes in QAnon. In a speech on Thursday, before the House voted to strip her of her committee assignments, she blamed her claims that leading Democrats deserve to die for their role in a diabolic pedophile ring on her inability to trust the mainstream media. "I was allowed to believe things that weren't true," she said.

To my surprise, Clinton thought Greene's passive account of her own radicalization wasn't entirely absurd. "We are facing a mass addiction with the effective purveying of disinformation on social media," Clinton said. "I don't have one iota of sympathy for someone like her, but the algorithms, we are now understanding more than ever we could have, truly are addictive. And whatever it is in our brains for people who go down those rabbit holes, and begin to inhabit this alternative reality, they are, in effect, made to believe."

Clinton now thinks that the creation and promotion of this alternative reality, enabled and incentivized by the tech platforms, is, as she put it, "the primary event of our time." Nothing about QAnon or Marjorie Taylor Greene is entirely new. Social media has just taken the dysfunction that was already in our politics, and rendered it uglier than anyone ever imagined.

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1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago   /en/article/y3gedm/marjorie-taylor-greene-believes-in-frazzledrip-qanons-wildest-conspiracy-theory

Marjorie Taylor Greene Believes In Frazzledrip, QAnon’s Wildest Conspiracy

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January 3: Rep.-elect Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., wears a "Trump Won" mask during the first session of the 117th Congress in the House Chamber as members of the 117th Congress are sworn in on Sunday, Jan. 3, 2021. (Photo by Caroline Brehman/CQ Roll Call via AP Images)


Unraveling viral disinformation and explaining where it came from, the harm it's causing, and what we should do about it.



The average QAnon believer likely has no idea what “frazzledrip” is. But Marjorie Taylor Greene, the newly minted representative from Georgia who recently filed impeachment papers against President Joe Biden, is no average QAnon follower.

On Tuesday, it was revealed that   Greene had shown support for executing Democrats   including liking a comment in January 2019 that said it would be “quicker” to remove Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi with “a bullet to the head.” 

At the same time, it was revealed that the Republican lawmaker had signaled her endorsement of the unhinged “frazzledrip” conspiracy.

Here’s what that theory, which originated on conspiracy site YourNewsWire (now known as News Punch) in April 2018, claims:

A video that was found on the laptop of Anthony Weiner, the former Democratic congressman who was jailed in 2017 for sexting with a minor, began circulating on the “dark web.” The video was found in a folder on the laptop’s hard drive called “life insurance” and was named “frazzledrip.”

The bogus report says the video — which, to be clear, does not exist on the dark web or anywhere else — shows Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin, Weiner’s former wife and longtime Clinton aide, raping and mutilating a young girl. Specifically, the video is supposed to show Clinton filleting the young girl’s face, and then taking turns with Abedin to wear the girl’s face as a mask in order to purposefully terrify the child so that her blood would be flooded with adrenochrome. The girl then bleeds out before Clinton and Abedin drink the blood during a Satanic ritual sacrifice.

But the horrific conspiracy theory didn’t end there. QAnon supporters also spread the rumor that multiple officers from the New York Police Department who saw the video had been killed by Clinton, who then covered up the murders by making them look like suicides.

In May 2018, just a month after YourNewsWire first spread the frazzledrip conspiracy, Greene posted a picture of   the mother of slain New York Police Department Detective Miosotis Familia   with former President Donald Trump, a post first flagged by Media Matters for America, a progressive media watchdog.

Eric Hananoki
Jan 26
On Facebook in 2018, now-Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) endorsed a conspiracy theory that Hillary Clinton participated in a satanic child murder and ordered a hit on a police officer to cover it up. https:// rie-taylor-greene-endorsed-deranged-conspiracy-theory-about-democrats-and-satanic


Under the post, a commenter wrote: “This is the mother of a NYPD officer who watched a horrific video seized on anthony weiners laptop of huma and hillary filleting a childs face. This was another hillary hit.” 

Greene liked that comment and replied: “Yes Familia.” 

In another comment, Greene appeared to lean further into the conspiracy: “I post things sometimes to see who knows things. Most the time people don’t. I’m glad to see your comment. I’ve decided it’s time to start doing a lot more videos and engage further in the fight. Most people honestly don’t know so much. The [mainstream media] disinformation warfare has won for too long!”

Most of the millions of Americans who have been brainwashed by the QAnon cult over the last 12 months have been exposed not to the extreme dark side of the conspiracy, but to a lighter version, pushed by hijacking the Save the Children message and eschewing any overt link to QAnon and its origins.

Greene has repeatedly tried to distance herself from links to QAnon, which recently played a central part in the Capitol riots, but she has never disowned the conspiracy movement. And this latest revelation shows that Greene is not just flirting with the fringes of this conspiracy theory, but embracing its darkest corners.

On Tuesday, CNN reported that Greene had endorsed calls, made on Facebook, to execute Democrats. Greene claimed that these problematic posts were all the fault of her “team.”

“Over the years, I've had teams of people manage my pages. Many posts have been liked. Many posts have been shared. Some did not represent my views. Especially the ones that CNN is about to spread across the internet,” she wrote.

In that case, Greene has some serious questions to ask her team, because not only has her Facebook account endorsed executing Democrats and embraced the unhinged frazzledrip conspiracy, it has also   promoted 9/11 conspiracy theories   and called the Sandy Hook and Parkland school shootings   “false flag” events . It labeled Parkland survivor   David Hogg a “#littleHitler.”   And it liked a meme that claimed some of her now-Democratic congressional colleagues have used the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program for   human trafficking, pedophilia, and organ harvesting .

And what is the Republican leadership doing about the horrific conspiracy theories being peddled by one of its newest members of Congress?

Apparently, House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy “ plans to have a conversation   with the Congresswoman about them.”

That should sort everything out.

Professor Principal
2  seeder  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

Greene should have been expelled from Congress. Leaving her there just prolongs this infection on our politics. 

Professor Principal
3  Kavika     3 weeks ago

McCarthy didn't do a damn thing to Greene, it's now the party of Qanon. 

Professor Principal
3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Kavika @3    3 weeks ago

Greene didnt just "like" insane Q Anon ideas, she endorsed them. 

"I post sometimes to see who knows things."

PhD Principal
4  JBB    3 weeks ago

Is it any wonder that the once Grand Old Party of Abraham Lincoln is now known merely as Qanon?

Junior Principal
5  Nerm_L    3 weeks ago

Yeah, this sounds like a scheme the Clintons would cook up.  If you oppose Clinton then you must be Qanon.

Bill and Hillary Clinton are both dirty politicians.  That's not a conspiracy.


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