Nikki Haley breaks with Trump: 'We shouldn't have followed him'

  

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Nikki Haley breaks with Trump: 'We shouldn't have followed him'
Former Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley issued stunning remarks breaking with former President Trump, telling Politico in an interview published Friday that she believes he "let us down." "We need to acknowledge he let us down," Haley, who served in her ambassador role under Trump, said. "He went down a path he shouldn't have, and we shouldn't have followed him, and we shouldn't have listened to him. And we can't let that ever...

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Nikki Haley breaks with Trump: 'We shouldn't have followed him'

Former Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley issued stunning remarks breaking with former President Trump, telling Politico in an interview published Friday that she believes he "let us down."

"We need to acknowledge he let us down," Haley, who served in her ambassador role under Trump, said. "He went down a path he shouldn't have, and we shouldn't have followed him, and we shouldn't have listened to him. And we can't let that ever happen again."

Haley's remarks are her strongest yet against the former president in the aftermath of the Jan. 6 Capitol riot and come as Trump's legal team is set to defend the former president on Friday in his second Senate impeachment trial.

The House impeached the former president for a second time shortly after the riots, saying his unsubstantiated claims of widespread voter fraud following his election loss to President Biden and his comments earlier that day incited the mob that stormed the Capitol.

The former South Carolina governor told Politico that she has not spoken with Trump since the mob attack, further expressing her disappointment with remarks Trump gave at a rally ahead of the riot condemning his own vice president, Mike Pence.

"When I tell you I'm angry, it's an understatement," Haley told Politico. "I am so disappointed in the fact that [despite] the loyalty and friendship he had with Mike Pence, that he would do that to him. Like, I'm disgusted by it."

Haley in the days immediately following the attack said in a speech to Republican National Committee members that Trump was "badly wrong with his words," at his Jan. 6 rally.

"And it wasn't just his words," she added at the time. "His actions since Election Day will be judged harshly by history."

Haley, who many speculate is a possible top 2024 presidential contender, announced a new political action committee last month named after her Stand for America advocacy group. Haley spokeswoman Chaney Denton said at the time that the PAC would be focused on helping get conservatives back in control in the House and Senate in 2022.

Bradley Crate, the treasurer for Haley's PAC, was the treasurer for Trump's presidential campaign in 2016 and Sen. Mitt Romney's (R-Utah) top financial adviser for both his presidential runs.

Updated 7:43 a.m.


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FLYNAVY1
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1  seeder  FLYNAVY1    3 weeks ago

Wow...... Look who's running for president.....   Wasn't it just a couple of weeks ago where she said that impeachment was a joke, and we should "give the man a break"...?

Nikki Haley Pleads For Trump: 'Give The Man A Break!' | Crooks and Liars

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1  Kavika   replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    3 weeks ago

I'm sure that she is heartfelt in her most recent comment. /s

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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1.1.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Kavika @1.1    3 weeks ago

If they don't break now from Trumpism, anyone that has the appearance of still supporting agent orange may win primary after primary, but will lose in general elections due to the Trump stink.

Hawley, Cruz, Rubio...... They will get Trumpism shoved up their asses sideways in their attempts to run for the WH.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.2  Dulay  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    3 weeks ago

Seriously, there is no way in hell Haley can dig her way out of the shithole she jumped into. No thinking person can watch what she said to Ingraham and then accept her flip flop in the Politico article. 

BTW, the Politico article is well worth reading and even more damning. She comes off as conveniently obtuse while still wanting to be taken seriously. If she is what the GOP is hanging their hat on, let them...

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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1.2.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Dulay @1.2    3 weeks ago

Grab your popcorn Dulay....

I for one would have considered voting for Haley, right up to the point where she said we should give Trump a break.  It became clear that she put clearly put her political ambition ahead of the US Constitution.  I won't stand for that.

Actually I'm looking forward to the entertainment value of Ted Cruz's next run for the WH.  This should be a spectacular crash and burn that he can't see coming.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

I dont think Haley has a chance in 2024. She's not Trumpy enough for that bunch, and she's not honest enough for everybody else. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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1.2.3  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.2    3 weeks ago

Bingo.....

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.2.4  Dulay  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

Judging from the 'quality' of what the GOP is offering so far, I will be more in need of grabbing a barf bag. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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1.2.5  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Dulay @1.2.4    3 weeks ago

I suggest buying your Tums by the case at Costco and stocking up now....!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

Nikki Haley's big problem is she is known for talking out of both sides of her mouth. 

If , somehow, Trump endorses her for president in 2024 she will throw her arms around him and kiss him on the mouth. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3  sandy-2021492    3 weeks ago

Too little, too late, Nikki.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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3.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3    3 weeks ago

I'm never going to vote for someone who's ethics and morality are things of convenience...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1    3 weeks ago

So you didn't vote for HRC or Biden.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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3.1.2  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

Anyone that has supported Trump in the way you have has jettisoned any understanding of what morals, or ethics are.  As such, while you are free to sit in judgement, your opinions have no foundation supported by credibility Greg.

You will forever be covered by the stink of Trump.....  And justifiably so.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.2    3 weeks ago
You will forever be covered by the stink of Trump.....

Newstalkers fascists are hoping we'll forget that stink. We mustn't.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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3.1.4  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.3    3 weeks ago

Not a chance in hell we'll forget what they willfully and gleefully unleashed on America and her people.....

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

I will never take Greg seriously

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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3.1.6  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.5    3 weeks ago

I'd say your position is well earned Trout...... Happy Friday.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.6    3 weeks ago

And a Happy Friday to you as well, Fly!

 
 
 
bbl-1
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3.1.8  bbl-1  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.5    3 weeks ago

greg who?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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4  Bob Nelson    3 weeks ago

256 From POLITICO:

Nikki Haley’s Time for Choosing

The 2024 hopeful can’t decide who she wants to be—the leader of a post-Trump GOP or a “friend” to the president who tried to sabotage democracy.

Late last year, Nikki Haley had a friend who was going through a hard time. He had lost his job and was being evicted from his house. He was getting bad advice from bad people who were filling his head with self-destructive fantasies. He seemed to be losing touch with reality. Out of concern, Haley called the man. “I want to make sure you’re okay,” she told him. “You’re my president, but you’re also my friend.”

refusing to concede defeat in an election he clearly lost, opting instead to delegitimize the institutions of government that upheld the result, indulge in outlandish conspiracy theories and generally subvert the country’s 244-year-old democratic norms. Republican leaders who possessed the credibility to dispute these claims publicly and exert a counterinfluence over the GOP electorate had chosen not to. Haley was among those who kept quiet.

For the previous four years, since being plucked from the governorship of South Carolina to serve as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Haley had navigated the Trump era with a singular shrewdness, messaging and maneuvering in ways that kept her in solid standing both with the GOP donor class as well as with the president and his base. She maintained a direct line to Trump, keeping private her candid criticisms of him, while publicly striking an air of detached deference. Upon her resignation in 2018, the New York Times editorial page praised Haley as “that rarest of Trump appointees: one who can exit the administration with her dignity largely intact.”

Haley told me about this phone call in the second week of December. We sat in the shadow of a twinkling 15-foot Christmas fir inside the parlor of the Kiawah Island Club, an exclusive lair nestled between two golf courses and the Atlantic Ocean where she has lived since returning to private life. I had come to talk with Haley about her future; about how the antics of the outgoing president might complicate her plans to pursue that very office in 2024. Knowing that she did not believe Trump’s conspiracy theories, I asked Haley whether she had attempted to persuade the president that he was wrong—that the election wasn’t rigged, that he had lost legitimately.

“No,” she replied. “When he was talking about that, I didn’t address it.”

Since January 20, 2017, the Republican Party has become defined by its unwillingness to confront—and, in many cases, its willingness to enable—an out-of-control president. Here was Haley, someone with a reputation for speaking candidly to Trump, someone who had the courage as governor to remove the Confederate flag from her state capitol, admitting that she hadn’t bothered to challenge him—even in private—on a deception that threatened the stability of American life. Why not?

“I understand the president. I understand that genuinely, to his core, he believes he was wronged,” Haley told me. “This is not him making it up.”

But Trump was making it up. To date, there had been no discovery of material voting fraud. The president’s legal team had lost 55 court cases and won just one. All 50 states had certified their results and sent a single slate of electors to the Electoral College. Despite all this—despite that politically, legally and constitutionally, it was game over—Trump was inciting threats against judges and elections officials and urging Americans to take matters into their own hands.

She countered that one case remained—a lawsuit brought by the Texas attorney general, endorsed by more than 100 Republican members of Congress, seeking to invalidate tens of millions of votes in battleground states—and it must be heard before Trump stands down. “This is coming to the end,” she said. “Up until now, he has not been able to prove it in court. So, if this continues to go down that path, Biden will be president. He knows that.”

Never mind that the Texas lawsuit was a publicity stunt; never mind that, hours after our conversation, it was shot down by Trump’s own appointees to the Supreme Court. What was more striking was Haley’s underlying position: that because Trump believed he had been robbed, he was therefore justified in saying and doing whatever he pleased.

“You have the president of the United States telling everyone that he was cheated, that the voting systems are corrupt, that we’re living in a banana republic where the deep state has rigged this election against him,” I told her. “Isn’t that dangerous?”

“He believes it,” she smiled.

Haley clearly wasn’t prepared to have this conversation. Like so many Republicans, she had expected Trump would either eke out a second term, putting a date-certain on the end of his presidency, or lose so lopsidedly that his career would be toast. Instead, he split the difference, losing by less than one percentage point in each of three decisive states, a result that sent him spiraling into delirium. The resulting paralysis could be seen across the GOP, but Haley was a special case. She knew she could not afford to antagonize the president. But her rationalizations for his behavior were so strained that they called into question her own judgment. This was a test for Haley, an early opportunity to define herself on a question of great national urgency. And she was failing.

“There’s nothing that you’re ever going to do that’s going to make him feel like he legitimately lost the election,” Haley said. “He’s got a big bully pulpit. He should be responsible with it.”

“Is he being responsible with it?” I asked.

“He believes it,” she replied.

Haley would only allow that Trump’s lawyers had “done a disservice to him.” But there was no accountability for his actions. When I pressed her—why couldn’t she answer the basic question of whether the president was acting responsibly?—Haley cut me off, pointing out the window toward an emerald-tinted putting green.

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There's a lot more, with links and photos, in the Original Article .

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1  Dulay  replied to  Bob Nelson @4    3 weeks ago

Well gee Nikki, if despite all empirical evidence to the contrary, Trump still believes that he didn't legitimately lose the election, shouldn't that delusion alone preclude him from ever holding office again? Oh and Nikki, since you want to be taken seriously as a leader, shouldn't you have outed Trump's delusions months ago? 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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4.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dulay @4.1    3 weeks ago

She's operating in a party where truth is of no interest. Her quandary is not whether to tell the truth. It is ''which lie to tell''.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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4.1.2  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1.1    3 weeks ago

They have to keep the lies going in the GOP, otherwise their entire house of cards falls apart.  You'd think they would do it sooner than later to minimize the damage.  But alas....... the few in the GOP that have the courage to tell the truth are now outcasts of their own party.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5  Kavika     3 weeks ago

Where the hell is all our MAGA Haley supporters. You know the group on NT that sings her praises and will support her in the 2024 presidential election? 

She is now a RINO....LOLOLOL

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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5.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Kavika @5    3 weeks ago

Morning Kavika...

Unless the senate republicans' join to convict Trump of the impeachment charges, they have no hope of getting their party back from the right wing loons anytime soon.  If they ripped the band aid off now, they just might be able to recover prior to the next election cycle.  If they do a half-ass job looking for the easy way out, (as expected) the Rino's will get primaried, and the loons will continue to lose during the general elections to more centered democrats.  

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.1  Kavika   replied to  FLYNAVY1 @5.1    3 weeks ago

Morning FLY, 

Your comment is right on target.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6  Greg Jones    3 weeks ago

2024 is quite a ways off.  Some sanity will have returned to politics. The hysteria over Trump will have faded

Never underestimate Haley. The people will be more than ready to vote out the Dems and Biden....or Harris

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1  Texan1211  replied to  Greg Jones @6    3 weeks ago
The hysteria over Trump will have faded

Have to disagree there. 

Absolutely nothing the Democrats have done indicate they will ever let Trump go.

They are like starving dogs who found a bone!

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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6.1.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1    3 weeks ago

You promoted Trump, [Deleted] and continue to do so.  

It's telling that few in the GOP, present NT company included, are interested in providing more than a fraction of the interest in accountability for the deaths and insurrection on 6JAN21, as compared to being "all in" on Benghazi.

You wanted Hillary locked up for email security....   Nothing for Trump's orchestrated attack on the first branch of government which included dead and wounded police?

Give us a call when you are serious about defending the country and the US Constitution......  Or how about you just start acting like it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.1.1    3 weeks ago
You promoted Trump, lied in coverage for him, and continue to do so.  

Completely false--just made up by you.

The rest is no better.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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6.1.3  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.2    3 weeks ago

You can't run from your posts Tex..... [Deleted]

None of your comments or positions will ever be taken seriously until you start embracing the truth and facts surrounding Trump and the damage done to the country.

More simply put..... you are part of the problem, and will be for the foreseeable future.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.1.3    3 weeks ago
You can't run from your posts Tex..... You're covered with the same Trump stink that the rest of the NT "Forever Trumpers" are.

Not running from anything, just not willing to give any creedance to lies from you.

Quote me lying--if you CAN, of course. I can't run from my posts, so quote my lying as you claimed I did.

And if I valued your opinion, it MIGHT bother me if some yahoo on the internet cares about what I write.

But I won't tolerate your blatant lies about me.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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6.1.5  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.4    3 weeks ago

You've been a well documented all out Trump supporter since you joined NT Tex.  More easily put.... You've been "all in" on the Trump Train....  Nothing has changed.  Your support of Trump means you have bought in on that which surrounds Trump.

Statements like: "Democrat Theatrics" regarding impeachment would be your latest.... as an example.

Simply answer this question.... Should the Senate uphold the impeachment charges against Trump?  If not.... why not?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.1.5    3 weeks ago
You've been a well documented all out Trump supporter since you joined NT Tex.  More easily put.... You've been "all in" on the Trump Train....  Nothing has changed. Statements like: "Democrat Theatrics" regarding impeachment would be your latest.... as an example.

You claimed I lied, and I ask, no, demand your proof of that.

Why can't you simply answer what you were asked instead of endless deflections?

You should at least have the personal honesty to retract your lie.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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6.1.7  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.6    3 weeks ago

Knock it off.... Exacty where did I say you lied anyway.... by quote please.  Your strawman.....

You can lay off of the righteous indignations too.  Your a forever Trumper and the NT membership knows it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.1.7    3 weeks ago
Knock it off..

Not until you retract your lie.

Exacty where did I say you lied anyway.... by quote please.

With pleasure--and note it is something YOU are completely incapable of doing:

Post 6.1.1  You promoted Trump, lied in coverage for him, and continue to do so.  

Right there in your post. You can't run from them, you know.

Your strawman.....

Obviously you don't have a clue what a strawman argument is.

You claimed it--so therefore it is NOT a strawman.

You can lay of the righteous indignations too.  Your a forever Trumper and the NT membership knows it.

You can lay off the lies.

maybe.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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6.1.9  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.8    3 weeks ago

You can easily settle this.

All you have to do is state that Trump is a fascist, and that anyone who continues to support him after JAN6 is proving themselves to also be fascist.

What you say now is more important than what you said before JAN6.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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6.1.10  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.8    3 weeks ago

Okay... I'll take responsibility for that statement in 6.1.1

So now lets move back to the real point of all of this.... Are you still supporting not holding Trump accountable for the actions of 6JAN21, or are you willing to admit that the impeachment charges are correct and should be supported by senate republicans...?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.1.10    3 weeks ago

Well of course you are responsible, you freaking wrote that unsubstantiated lie, and I will wait until you retract it.

Perhaps next time in your haste to get all personal you'll remember to start with AT LEAST the truth.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1.9    3 weeks ago

No need for me to have to lie just because others do.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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6.1.13  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.11    3 weeks ago

[Deleted]

Just say that Trump should be convicted of the impeachment charges...... Consider it your first step back from the dark side.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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6.1.14  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.12    3 weeks ago

No one is asking you to lie.

What seems limpid since 6JAN2021 is that no one can ignore the fact that Trump is a fascist. So one can either recognize that fact... or try to weasel out of recognizing it.

From there, each of us follows our conscience.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.1.13    3 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1.14    3 weeks ago

wrong.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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6.1.17  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.15    3 weeks ago

Whaaaaa!

Come on Tex answer the questions before you........ Would you vote today to support Trump's impeachment?

Shit or get off the pot.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.1.17    3 weeks ago

still waiting for you to retract your lie.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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6.1.19  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.18    3 weeks ago

See 6.1.8..... cause that is the extent of my retraction in the matter of me falsely accusing you of a lie. That or this post is.

OH MY GOD, I FALSLY ACCUSED TEX OF LYING.....I TAKE IT ALL BACK...!

Now that is cleared up, you can answer the question put to you.....

 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.1.19    3 weeks ago

already read that post AND responded to it.

That post and this latest one aren't retraction.

Since you started out with false allegations about me, I see no point in answering your little questions.

You will likely make up what you'll claim my answer is anyways.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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6.1.21  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.20    3 weeks ago

Just another move of political cowardice.  What we've all come to expect.   Just cant bring yourself to defend the constitution over the wants of your party eh.? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.1.21    3 weeks ago

so you wish to make this personal, after lying about me?

no thank you.

I just told you I am interested in your games.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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6.1.23  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.16    3 weeks ago

I expected no less from you.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1.23    3 weeks ago

oh, gee, that really concerns me!

and since it is necessary:

/s

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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7  Greg Jones    3 weeks ago

Last I looked, Trump is no longer president.

Why all this ongoing fuss?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.1  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @7    3 weeks ago

He doesn't get to rape and loot and pillage on his way out the door and not be held accountable . . . . 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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7.2  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Greg Jones @7    3 weeks ago

He was when he was impeached, and those proceedings need to be finalized. 

At the very least as a country, we need to make sure Trump can't hold or even run for elected office again.  That can only happen if the impeachment charges are accepted by 2/3rds of the senate.

Seriously.... you wanted Hillary locked up for her emails and Benghazi didn't you?  Why not hold Trump accountable for his crimes against the nation?    

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

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Thrawn 31
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9  Thrawn 31    3 weeks ago

Oh wow, when a large majority hate him now you change your tune? Fuck off.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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10  Greg Jones    3 weeks ago

That can only happen if the impeachment charges are accepted by 2/3rds of the senate.

They won't be. The impeachment managers have no valid case, they can't prove prior intent on Trump's part, and aggressive political rhetoric is protected speech. So what happens next?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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10.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Greg Jones @10    3 weeks ago

NAFTA

Not A Fucking Thing Again

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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10.2  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Greg Jones @10    3 weeks ago

What's in a person's mind is always hard to prove it doesn't mean that isn't what they wanted though. 

Many times common since is a pretty damn good indication though. Including this time !!!

IF people are OK with wanting a leader who stoops to this level, IMO: They deserve one. 

I don't.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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10.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  Greg Jones @10    3 weeks ago

You are right, nothing. The senate will vote that attempting to overthrow a free and fair election is okay in America. 

I will laugh so Hard when  a Democrat is the first to do it. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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10.4  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Greg Jones @10    3 weeks ago

The impeachment managers have no valid case

Look up "But-for" test regarding tort law and criminal law to determine causation..... "but for the existence of X, would Y have occurred?"

Our NT lawyers will be able to do a better job than I can.

In an accident involving six cars "If car one hadn't... x, the y accident involving the six cars wouldn't have happened"

If you take Trump out of the equation of inviting his army to the capital on 6JAN21, and his speech to them that he directed them to violate the permit and head to the capitol, would the riot have occurred?  The answer is a resounding...No!   Furthermore if you can say no to that argument, then his speech is not protected under the first amendment.

(Any of you lawyers care to help out......? Engineers speaking legalese is frowned upon in our ranks. ) 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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10.4.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @10.4    3 weeks ago

Very clear. You get an honorary JD.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
PhD Guide
12  Paula Bartholomew    3 weeks ago

Didn't Trump fire her at one time?

 
 
 
bbl-1
PhD Quiet
12.1  bbl-1  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @12    3 weeks ago

which f?

 
 
 
bbl-1
PhD Quiet
13  bbl-1    3 weeks ago

Day late and a dollar short, Nikki.  Then again, when weren't you?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Principal
14  Hal A. Lujah    3 weeks ago

I guess she’s not spreading her legs for Don anymore.

 
 
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