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The Latest on Boulder Shooting: Live Updates  - The New York Times
The enormity of the loss in a shooting at a Colorado grocery has become clearer with the identification of the 10 victims. What drove the gunman remains unknown.

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The suspect has been charged with 10 counts of murder.


A memorial was erected near the police barricades surrounding the King Soopers store.Credit...Eliza Earle for The New York Times

As the personal stories of those gunned down in a Colorado grocery store have emerged — a dedicated gardener, a helpful store employee, a man soon to become a grandfather — the enormity of the loss has become clearer.

But what remained unknown on Wednesday was why a gunman had chosen to cut their lives short, with the authorities yet to release details about a possible motive for the mass shooting at a King Soopers grocery store in Boulder, Colo.

The Rev. Radovan Petrovic, the family priest of one of the victims of Monday's shooting, 23-year-old Neven Stanisic, described the family's loss as "beyond comprehension."

"And now, the biggest question for the family, besides all the sorrow they are enduring, is how this could have happened here," he said.

Though that question has not been answered, the authorities on Tuesday released a detailed affidavit as they charged a suspect, Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, with 10 counts of first-degree murder, which in Colorado carries a penalty of life imprisonment without parole.

Law-enforcement officials said Mr. Alissa had been armed with a handgun and military-style semiautomatic rifle and was wearing an armored vest when he carried out the attacks.

Investigators said the gunman began the rampage in the store's parking lot, then pushed inside. Officer Eric Talley, 51, an 11-year veteran of the Boulder Police Department, was the first officer to reach the scene. Officers who swept into the store soon after found his lifeless body and dragged it back outside.

Mr. Alissa's brother described him to the Daily Beast as paranoid and antisocial, and in 2018, Mr. Alissa was convicted of misdemeanor assault against another student at his high school.

The attack in Boulder, combined with the killing of eight people at Atlanta-area spas last week — six of whom were women of Asian descent — has brought gun control back to the center of political discourse in America. President Biden on Tuesday called for Congress to take immediate action by passing a ban on assault weapons and closing background check loopholes.

In Boulder, memorials were planned for Wednesday as people continued to grieve, including a candlelight vigil scheduled at the Boulder County Courthouse.

"Flags had barely been raised back to full mast after the tragic shooting in Atlanta that claimed eight lives," said Colorado's governor, Jared Polis, during a news conference, "and now a tragedy here, close to home, at a grocery store that could be any of our neighborhood grocery stores."

— Will Wright

The victims are mourned in Boulder.


They were young and old, single and married, King Soopers customers and King Soopers employees. The youngest was 20; the oldest 65.

Some had spent years working at the grocery. Others had been in the store only a few minutes. All left behind relatives and friends who were struggling to comprehend what had happened and who were more eager to talk about how their relative or friend had lived than how they had died.

The authorities identified the victims as Denny Stong, 20; Neven Stanisic, 23; Rikki Olds, 25; Tralona Bartkowiak, 49; Eric Talley, 51; Teri Leiker, 51; Suzanne Fountain, 59; Kevin Mahoney, 61; Lynn Murray, 62; and Jody Waters, 65.

Like the people shopping at a Walmart store in El Paso in 2019, like those working in three Atlanta area spas last week, 10 victims in Boulder, Colo., were killed by the gunfire of a heavily armed man.

"I don't want her name to be another name next to an age on a list," said Alexis Knutson, 22, a friend of Teri Leiker, 51, a King Soopers employee who she said had worked there for about 30 years and who died in the attack.

Ms. Knutson met Ms. Leiker through a program called Best Buddies that connects students at University of Colorado Boulder with members of the community who have intellectual and developmental disabilities. Ms. Knutson remembered going together to university sporting events, and how Ms. Leiker loved to cheer on the teams.

"She had the biggest, brightest smile," Ms. Knutson said. "She always just had these dimples that, especially when she got excited about something — her smile was just huge."

Despite their age difference, Ms. Knutson said, they bonded, and would talk often. "I always had a rule: She couldn't call before 9 a.m. because I like my sleep," she said. "She would always call me at 6 a.m."

Denny Stong, 20, worked at the store for several years. Only a few years ago, he had been a student at Fairview High School in Boulder.

One day in a hall at Fairview, he complimented a classmate, Molly Proch, on her superhero T-shirt, and the two became fast friends.

"I've been spending most of my morning crying, really confused on how something like this could happen again," said Ms. Proch, 20. "He was an essential worker, working at a grocery store. It makes my blood boil."

— Shawn Hubler, Giulia McDonnell Nieto del Rio, Marie Fazio and Manny Fernandez

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Across states, a checkerboard of gun laws reflects a partisan tilt.


A gun store in Charlotte, N.C., last year. A national checkerboard of state-by-state gun laws align with the partisan tilt of each state.Credit...Logan R. Cyrus for The New York Times

Hundreds of miles apart but at exactly the same time on Monday afternoon, a gunman opened fire in a supermarket in Boulder, Colo., and Iowa State Senate Republicans voted to gut the state's law requiring permits to carry concealed weapons. The bill's sponsor expressed relief that Iowans would be able to exercise their gun rights "without a permission slip.''

Last month in Maryland, however, Democrats overrode Gov. Larry Hogan's veto of a bill expanding background checks, and in Virginia, Democrats passed bills banning guns on the State Capitol grounds and tightening the state's background checks system.

The diverging efforts reflect the national checkerboard of state-by-state gun laws that align with the partisan tilt of each state, while Congress has not addressed gun violence with meaningful legislation since 1994, when a 10-year ban on assault weapons was included in the crime bill championed by now-President Biden.

Since the 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut killed 20 first-grade students and six adults, 13 states, all controlled by Democrats, have enacted or expanded background checks for new gun purchases. Meanwhile, 14 states, all controlled by Republicans, have passed laws allowing their citizens to carry guns with no permit process at all, as the Iowa legislation would do.

The political divide on gun policy across the states is another example of the way national issues — including abortion rights and, in the post-Trump era, voting rights — are defining local politics.

Still, gun politics has shifted drastically in the decade since the Sandy Hook shooting. Since then, two major gun control organizations, backed by former Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg of New York and former Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona, a victim herself of gun violence, have built nationwide grass-roots organizations. In the 2018 and 2020 elections, the groups outspent the embattled National Rifle Association in federal campaigns for the first time.

— Reid J. Epstein

The suspect was prone to angry outbursts, according to former classmates.


Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, the man accused of killing 10 people in a grocery store attack in Colorado, had a history of angry outbursts, according to police records and people who knew him, including one that resulted in a misdemeanor assault conviction when he was still in high school.

According to a police affidavit, just a week ago, he bought a Ruger AR-556 pistol — essentially a shortened version of an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle.

On Monday, law enforcement officials say, Mr. Alissa, 21, who lived in Arvada, Colo., went to a King Soopers store in nearby Boulder and killed 10 people.

And a man who identified himself as Mr. Alissa's older brother described him to the Daily Beast as mentally ill, antisocial and paranoid.

When he was a senior at Arvada West High School, he beat up another student during a class, leading to the assault conviction; a fellow student said he flew into a rage "out of nowhere."

A police report from the November 2017 incident said he "got up in classroom, walked over to victim & 'cold cocked' him in the head," knocking him to the floor, and then "punched him in head several more times." The report said Mr. Alissa stated that the other student had "made fun of him and called him racial names weeks earlier."

Others also recalled examples of Mr. Alissa's temper, sometimes in response to slights.

Mr. Alissa, a wrestler, had friends in high school, but also had an anger problem, said a classmate, Brooke Campbell, who was the wrestling team manager. "When he'd lose wrestling matches, when it's something not that important, he'd get too angry," she said.

"It's scary, you know, looking back, that you knew someone that was capable of those things, or is now," Ms. Campbell said of the shooting.

The police affidavit, released on Tuesday, said Mr. Alissa bought the Ruger firearm on March 16, and that his brother's girlfriend saw him playing with what she thought looked like a machine gun just two days before the shooting. The authorities have said he had a rifle and a pistol with him during the assault, but it is not clear if one of those weapons was the Ruger bought last week.

He was charged on Tuesday with 10 counts of first-degree murder, which in Colorado carries a penalty of death or life in prison without parole. Officials have not suggested a motive for the crime.

Michael Dougherty, the Boulder County district attorney, said the suspect had "lived most of his life in the United States." Both the suspect's criminal record and a Facebook page that appeared to belong to him say he was born in Syria in 1999.

The police affidavit described Mr. Alissa as standing 5 feet 6 inches tall and weighing 200 pounds. That is far more than the 140 pounds listed from his arrest in November 2017, when he was a high school senior; a few months later he was found guilty of third-degree assault, and sentenced to probation and community service.

Mr. Alissa apparently had a serious interest in martial arts. The Facebook page listed wrestling and kickboxing as being among his interests, and many of the posts were about martial arts. One Facebook post, in 2019, said simply, "#NeedAGirlfriend."

The page said he had studied computer engineering at Metropolitan State University of Denver, but a university spokesman, Timothy Carroll, said the suspect "is not nor has ever been an MSU Denver student." The Facebook page was taken down within an hour of Mr. Alissa's name being released by the authorities.

The suspect's identity was known to the F.B.I. because he was linked to another individual under investigation by the bureau, according to law enforcement officials.

— Richard Perez-Pena


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

"A police report from the November 2017 incident said he "got up in classroom, walked over to victim & 'cold cocked' him in the head," knocking him to the floor, and then "punched him in head several more times." The report said Mr. Alissa stated that the other student had "made fun of him and called him racial names weeks earlier."

Question: Did the progressive attempt at making the massage parlor shootings, a week earlier, to be the work of "racists" actually put a target on the backs of white people, for someone who was as deranged as Mr. Alissa?


"The suspect's identity was known to the F.B.I. because he was linked to another individual under investigation by the bureau, according to law enforcement officials."

Might we have seen this movie before?


Trump and his supporters are off topic

I am off topic


 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago

it looks like the seedlings of right wing racism have matured and are now bearing fruit. I don't expect to see any changes in national gun laws until the majority of future shooting victims are republicans.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.1    3 weeks ago

To the contrary, it's the end result of progressive ideology with all it's hate & divisiveness.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    3 weeks ago
To the contrary, it's the end result of progressive ideology with all it's hate & divisiveness.

If only we could go back to the 1950's when middle class white protestants were the model of American virtue everyone was to aspire to, right Vic ? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.1    3 weeks ago

So true, so true!!!!!!!!!!!!

Until they are affected, they don't give a shit how many dead.  

There is so much blood and death on their hands.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    3 weeks ago

"To the contrary, it's the end result of progressive ideology with all it's hate & divisiveness."

Projection.  Pure projection.  More like projectile vomiting.  

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Vic Eldred
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1.1.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.2    3 weeks ago

We can never go back John. The mold has been broken. Right now we are at the same stage as Ancient Rome, when the Republic had been replaced by an imperial regime, with a vocal mob in the streets, all languages spoken in the forum and tenacious enemies at the gates.

No John, we shall never regain our time of glory.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.5    3 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
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1.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.6    3 weeks ago

He happens to be off topic. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.6    3 weeks ago

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Gordy327
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1.1.9  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.5    3 weeks ago
We can never go back John. The mold has been broken.

So? Regression is not necessarily a good thing. 

Right now we are at the same stage as Ancient Rome, when the Republic had been replaced by an imperial regime,

Such hyperbole.

with a vocal mob in the streets, all languages spoken in the forum and tenacious enemies at the gates.

How is that different than any other time in history?

No John, we shall never regain our time of glory.

Depends on how one defines "glory."

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago

I thought that the NY Times was a left wing rag, not to be trusted?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    3 weeks ago

I always take time to vet whatever they print. It's a must!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago

Mr Alissa doesn't seem to fit the narrative, so already his devout embrace of Islam, his  ISIS sympathies, his being known to the FBI for his ties to a jihadist , and his hatred of Trump are being downplayed and suppressed by the leftist media so they can give him victimized status. Once again, the lie is being perpetuated forward and we have seen this same sad movie before.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.3.1  1stwarrior  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3    3 weeks ago

And, Greg, how 'bout these incidents that have occurred that have been downplayed and never addressed -

The Boulder, Colorado, shooter was named as 21-year-old Ahmad al-Aliwi Alissa. And then this gem from the New York Times:
(New York Times) “The suspect’s identity was known to the F.B.I. because he was linked to another individual under investigation by the bureau, according to law enforcement officials.”
A reminder…. 50 FBI agents were enlisted within the Trump-Russia investigation to push a narrative.
13 FBI agents were dispatched to Talladega speedway to investigate a garage pull-down rope and push a narrative.
Thousands of FBI hours have been spent investigating the January 6th Washington DC protest… and yet, once again, another terrorist carries out a mass shooting where the FBI knew the suspect in advance.
The FBI knew in advance the Pulse Nightclub shooter (Omar Mateen) and were tipped off by the local sheriff.
The FBI knew in advance the San Bernardino Terrorists (Tashfeen Malik).
The FBI knew in advance the Boston Marathon Bombers (the Tsarnaev brothers) tipped off by Russians.
The FBI knew in advance the Garland, Texas, shooters (Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi).
The FBI knew in advance of the Parkland High School shooter (Nikolas Cruz).
The FBI knew in advance of the Fort Hood shooter (Nidal Hasan); and now the FBI knew in advance of Ahmad al-Aliwi Alissa.
Those are just off-the-top of my head… notice a pattern?
Meanwhile the political FBI agents chase the ghosts of mysteriously invisible white supremacists conducting random acts of unidentified racism.
 
 
 
expatingb
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1.3.2  expatingb  replied to  1stwarrior @1.3.1    3 weeks ago
Those are just off-the-top of my head… notice a pattern?

You neglected the most glaring of all.  September 11, 2001.

I've become convinced that unless an insane killer sends a personal signed/sealed/delivered confession of a premeditated and planned with specific dates/times/targets preidentified, and then follows up with additional warnings on a daily basis with a final notification to the media to have cameras rolling at such and such place, the FBI will very likely miss it and claim yet one more time that the "individual was on our radar"

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3    3 weeks ago

There is one consolation - a rare moment of honest journalism from the New York Times.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.4  devangelical  replied to  1stwarrior @1.3.1    3 weeks ago

if you're suggesting that the FBI should arrest people before they commit crimes, an awful lot of republicans would be sitting in jail.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.3.5  Ronin2  replied to  devangelical @1.3.4    3 weeks ago

To go along with the countless multitude of Democrats cutting in line in front of them for entrance.

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
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1.3.6  Transyferous Rex  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3    3 weeks ago

When did they officially release this guy's identity? Just yesterday, I was reading stories lambasting white men with guns. Today, I read that Issa was a naturalized citizen from Syria. The media has abandoned all integrity and is unapologetically divisive in its attempt to paint middle american white men as the greatest threat to humanity. These bastards are so focused on the color of a person's skin, their heritage, etc., they are missing the real meat. But, they don't care, so long as they jump on the opportunity to throw race or ethnicity cards with their brand of spin, it doesn't matter how far off of the truth they are. 

The real story here is that a social outcast, already under FBI monitoring, somehow was not flagged during a background check, and went ballistic. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago
Question: Did the progressive attempt at making the massage parlor shootings, a week earlier, to be the work of "racists" actually put a target on the backs of white people, for someone who was as deranged as Mr. Alissa?

What a ridiculous and sad attempt to lay the blame for this on liberals and progressives. The answer is a resounding "No". This shooting simply proves that mentally disturbed angry ammosexual incels come in all shapes and sizes, from right wing extremist to Middle eastern extremists. I think his #needagirlfriend says far more about him than his name or birth in Syria and none of the details about him connect him in any way to liberals or progressives. In fact his apparent infatuation with martial arts, guns and being involuntarily celibate and feeling like an outsider would seem to link him far closer to many right wing extremists who share the same loves and frustrations.

 
 
 
MonsterMash
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1.4.1  MonsterMash  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.4    3 weeks ago
none of the details about him connect him in any way to liberals or progressive.
The media was silent that he is a Trump-hating, Christian-hating, leftist freak. 
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.4.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.4    3 weeks ago

His statements on Islam and Trump speak volumes.

Btw when are we going to prosecute all the leftist thugs who terrorized cities for most of 2020?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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1.4.3  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4.2    3 weeks ago

Btw when are we going to prosecute all the leftist thugs who terrorized cities for most of 2020?

Around or about the same the we castrate all those that still believe in and/or support "The Big Lie". 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2  TᵢG    3 weeks ago
"It's scary, you know, looking back, that you knew someone that was capable of those things, or is now," Ms. Campbell said of the shooting.

Mental illness.   It is most definitely a problem that mentally ill people can gain access to lethal weapons.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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2.1  JaneDoe  replied to  TᵢG @2    3 weeks ago
Mental illness.   It is most definitely a problem that mentally ill people can gain access to lethal weapons.

It’s also a huge problem that many people with mental health issues never seem to get the help they need before they snap. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.1  devangelical  replied to  JaneDoe @2.1    3 weeks ago
many people with mental health issues never seem to get the help they need before they snap. 

very true, as america witnessed that play out from 11/4/20 to 1/20/21.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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2.1.2  JaneDoe  replied to  devangelical @2.1.1    3 weeks ago

Yep, and thousands of times before that.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  TᵢG @2    3 weeks ago

Very true. Mental illness also knows no ethnic, racial, religious, or political boundaries.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.3  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @2    3 weeks ago
Mental illness.   It is most definitely a problem that mentally ill people can gain access to lethal weapons.

Indeed. This is one reason why safety and background checks are necessary.

 
 
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