USS Johnston: World's deepest known shipwreck from World War II discovered - Part of the US Navy Finest Hour.

  

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USS Johnston: World's deepest known shipwreck from World War II discovered - Part of the US Navy Finest Hour.
The world's deepest known shipwreck, a World War II US Navy destroyer, has been fully mapped and filmed by a US-based crew.

An amazing discovery and a huge part of the history of the Battle of Leyte Gulf and Samar. 

USS Johnston was part of Taffy 3 which in spite of the odds stopped the largest Japanese armada ever formed. Four battleships including the Yamamoto (the largest battleship in the world) six heavy cruisers, two light cruisers, and eleven destroyers. 

Against this massive fleet stood six escort carriers, three destroyers, and four destroyer escorts. 

To give you an idea of the difference in size and firepower the weight of the Yamamoto was more than all of the ships of Taffy 3 combined. 

Outnumbered and outgunned USS Johnston leads  Taffy 3 on a charge into the teeth of the monster and an epic battle that naval historians call, ''The Navy Finest Hour''. 

This is the true story of one of the largest naval engagements in history. The USS Johnston, and her sister ships desperate fight to save the ''baby flattops'' and the Marines and Soldiers on shore.

The USS Johnston, and her commander, Ernest Evans led the charge against overwhelming odds, and the might of the Japanese Navy.

A movie is in the making of this epic battle and Commander Ernest Evans, (Cherokee/Creek).

It is called by historians, ''The Navy Finest Hour''.

This will be a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival cannot be expected. We will do what damage we can. —Lieutenant Commander Robert W. Copeland, commanding officer, USS Samuel B. Roberts.

United States Navy Task Group Taffy-3 was not designed to engage enemy warships in combat. Comprised of just six carrier escorts (basically just ordinary merchant ships, each equipped with a flight deck and a complement of thirty aircraft), three destroyers, and four destroyer escorts, Taffy-3’s primary mission during the American operation to retake the Philippines was to hang around off the coast of Leyte Island and launch ground attack aircraft to support the infantry assault. If a submarine or two came knocking on the door looking for a nice meaty carrier to deep-six, or some stray squadron of Japanese fighter-bombers stuck its nose where it didn’t belong, the destroyers were equipped to handle it.

So, naturally, when Rear Admiral Clifton “Ziggy” Sprague, Taffy-3’s commander, received a frantic radio call from one of his reconnaissance pilots reporting that the largest and most heavily armed assortment of surface-sailing battle cruisers ever assembled was bearing down on a collision course with Taffy-3, he was a little concerned. Unfortunately, there wasn’t a damn thing he could do about it—the Japanese superbattleship Yamato was out there, accompanied by three massive battleships, eight cruisers, and eleven destroyers, bearing three-four-zero, range twenty miles, closing fast on his position at thirty knots.

Five minutes later, a trio of armor-piercing shells eighteen inches in diameter threw up a towering wall of water just off the bow of Sprague’s flagship. It had been launched by the Yamato , the largest battleship ever built in the history of naval warfare—seventy-two thousand tons of steel-plated intimidation equipped with massive cannons that could launch a bullet the size of a Volkswagen over fifteen miles. This heavily armored, virtually indestructible behemoth of imperial justice outweighed the entire Taffy-3 task force by itself , and those planet-killing guns it was popping off like bottle rockets were more than baller enough to completely vaporize any ship in the American task force with a single round. Meanwhile, the biggest guns in Taffy-3 were the Mark 12 5-inch/38-caliber guns mounted on the decks of the destroyers and destroyer escorts—midsized crew-operated cannons designed for use against aircraft and lightly armored targets like surfaced submarines. A direct hit from one of those things couldn’t have even dented the cooking utensils on the Yamato .

Of course, it’s not as if that was going to stop the Americans from giving this massive Japanese battleship fleet a hell of a fight.

It should be mentioned here that there was a hell of a lot more at stake here than just those six carrier escorts (although these were to be defended at all costs). Earlier in the day a masterful Japanese feint had succeeded in drawing the entire U.S. Third Fleet away from the Philippines on some wild-goose chase snipe hunt into the middle of nowhere, and with Third Fleet’s unexpected departure the only thing keeping this gigantic Japanese armada from donkey-punching the two hundred thousand American soldiers and marines fighting on Leyte Island in the kidneys with artillery shells the size of refrigerators were the tiny antisubmarine warships of Taffy-3. Defeat here would give Japanese admiral Takeo Kurita’s battleships a free run to annihilate the landing craft and troop transports currently ferrying reinforcements and supplies to the island, massacring an entire division of U.S. Marines in their ships, crippling the operation to retake the Philippines and quite possibly turning the tide of the war in the Pacific back against the Allies.

The men of Taffy-3 weren’t about to let that happen.

Sprague’s carriers turned east into the wind so they could launch their fighters, then the entire Taffy-3 group turned south and ran toward Leyte as fast as they could go, zigzagging between enemy shells while roughly half of the Japanese navy took potshots at their asses. The destroyers all started pumping black smoke out of their smokestacks in a desperate effort to conceal the carriers from enemy gunners, hanging tight around the ships they’d been ordered to protect as salvos from the unstoppable enemy armada churned up the water around them so hard it looked like they were sailing through a glass of Alka-Seltzer, but it quickly became obvious that running wasn’t going to be enough—the Japanese cruisers could easily haul ass at twice the speed of the carrier escorts, and their guns were more than enough to shred the unarmored carriers as if they were paper targets in a shooting range. And they were closing in fast.

Then, suddenly, out of the black smoke spewed forth by the destroyer screen, burst the bow of the DD-557—the U.S.S. Johnston . A fifteen-thousand-ton Fletcher-class destroyer on a one-ship suicide run straight into the teeth of the most heavily armed surface fleet ever assembled. It was commanded by Captain Ernest E. Evans, a Creek/Cherokee Indian who had vowed never to take one step back from the Japanese no matter how miserable a situation he found himself in, and now that he was presented with the opportunity to stick it to the enemy this infinitely hardcore warrior  was launching a freakishly dangerous lone-wolf suicide attack head-on against a twenty-three-ship armada, hoping that his desperate effort to ruin their asses would delay the enemy long enough for his task force to escape.

Still way out of range for her little five-inch guns or torpedoes, Johnston determinedly zigzagged at flank speed through a barrage of concentrated fire from twenty-three enemy ships, knowing full damned well that she needed to cross twenty miles of open water to get within range and that a single hit from any enemy ship would rip her hull a new one and send her careening to the ocean floor in minutes. Still, seemingly completely oblivious to any form of danger, Captain Evans raced on.

Six squadrons of American fighter-bomber aircraft screamed through the air over Johnston , making their way toward the Japanese fleet despite a hail of tracer fire and airburst shrapnel exploding all around them. Undaunted by a sky full of explosions, bullets, and other horrible crap capable of disintegrating the fuselage of even the toughest aircraft like a wet paper towel in a bowl of sulfuric acid, the Avenger attack craft and Hellcat fighters streaked in at two hundred miles an hour, strafing the enemy ships with everything they could bring to bear—which wasn’t all that much, considering that these planes had been kitted out for antipersonnel and antisubmarine warfare and the ground crews hadn’t had time to rearm them with something more useful. But the American pilots didn’t give a crap—with literally five hundred heavy machine guns and antiaircraft cannons ripping up the skies around them, Avenger pilots were dropping depth charges on heavy cruisers and Hellcat fighters were diving out of the clouds to strafe armored battleships with .50-caliber machine guns, just hoping that maybe they could maybe just shoot someone important or knock out some critical piece of exposed equipment

Back on the ocean surface, Johnston had somehow miraculously made its way through the carnage and closed within range to begin its attack. Desperate for delicious vengeance and single-mindedly intent on doing as much damage as its armament would allow, Johnston opened up on the lead Japanese heavy cruiser, blasting all five of her five-inch guns at the Kumano , a hulking warship that outweighed the little Johnston by a factor of seven. Undeterred, Johnston ripped off two hundred rounds of five-inch ammunition in just five minutes, hammering the enemy superstructure, destroying a couple of her heavy gun mounts, and then following that flurry of blows up with a ten-torpedo salvo that smashed into Kumano 's balls, ripped her hull up, and blasted off her bow, splitting the cruiser force’s flagship nearly in half. First blood had been drawn, and it was Little Mac getting the Star Power uppercut on Mike Tyson himself.

Having now expended all of her torpedoes—the only weapons capable of legitimately damaging the enemy heavies— Johnston cranked the emergency brake, turned about, and started screaming ass back toward Taffy-3, still blasting hundreds of rounds from her five-inch cannons at anything with a rising sun emblazoned on the hull.

Unfortunately, Johnston ’s luck finally ran out, and, at extreme close range with the enemy she took a direct hit from the ridiculously massive Japanese battleship Kongo . Heavy sixteen-inch shells punched through Johnston ’s hull, destroyed a boiler, and cut the American ship’s speed in half. Another round from a heavy cruiser then smashed into the crippled American ship, igniting a magazine of forty-millimeter antiaircraft ammunition that exploded and spewed shrapnel across several decks, and then yet another round from some other enemy ship slammed directly into the ship’s bridge, snapping the mast and destroying her communications and radar capabilities. Captain Evans lost two fingers and took a ridiculous spray of white-hot burning metal shrapnel to his face, chest, and hands, but this tack-eating hardcase just got up, dusted himself off, walked out to the deck like he didn't even notice half his body was burning, and kept shouting orders, commanding his ship even though his shirt had been blown off like when James T. Kirk fought the Gorn lizard man Captain on the surface of that asteroid.

 

Overhead, the Avengers and Hellcats continued their strafing attacks, diving down at high speeds on the enemy, releasing their ship-humping bomb loads, then pulling out of their dives and trying not to black out from the ferocious amount of Gs that were trying to crush their skulls. The cruiser Suzuya was hit with two air-to-ground bombs and badly damaged, pulling out of formation alongside the similarly crippled Kumano . Even the pilots whose bomb bay holds had been loaded with propaganda leaflets and other useless objects found a way to contribute to the battle—these guys opened their (empty) torpedo bays and made fake torpedo runs on the enemy cruisers—the Japanese, of course, didn’t know that these pilots weren’t carrying weapons, and were forced to take evasive maneuvers just in case, throwing them off their game and buying the American fleet just a little more time to make their escape.

Inspired by the example of the Johnston , the rest of Taffy-3’s destroyer screen soon decided, Screw it, these guys aren't going to have all the fun, we’re also going to join the fight and get in on some of this sweet sweet asskicking goodness. The American destroyers Heerman and Hoel threw themselves through the smoke screen into battle, joined by the destroyer escort Samuel B. Roberts —a supertiny, superslow, lightly armed, virtually unarmored antisubmarine ship that under any other circumstances would stand up about as well in toe-to-toe surface combat with an imperial battleship as a paddle-operated swan boat crewed by two guys with steel helmets and nine-millimeter handguns. To give you some indication of scale here, the splashes of water thrown up by off-target Japanese battleship rounds were taller than the mast of the Roberts .

As the second American attack wave closed to torpedo range, they passed the crippled Johnston , still trying to limp back to the carriers. The bleeding, half-dead Captain Evans was standing at attention on the deck saluting them as they hurtled toward almost-certain death. After the destroyers had passed him, Evans gritted his teeth, got pumped up out of his mind, and ordered the Johnston to turn around and go back into the fray , bringing up the rear of the formation and providing covering fire with whatever ammo was left in her five-inch guns despite the ship basically just being held together by duct tape and bumper stickers at this point.

The American destroyers steamed flank speed through the deadly spray of enemy artillery shells straight into the midst of the Japanese formation, their assortment of antiaircraft and antisubmarine guns blazing for everything they were worth. The Hoel launched her torpedoes at the battleship Kongo but missed, then started trading point-blank salvos with the gimongous imperial cruiser Haguro —a losing proposition on the best of days, let alone when you’re outnumbered twenty-three to three. The Heerman charged straight into four Japanese battleships, hitting them with a barrage of fifty-four-pound shells from its five-inch guns, and then fired seven torpedoes at the behemoth Yamato . The imperial flagship, seeing more than a half-dozen torpedoes streaking through the sea toward her, peeled off to evade, a maneuver that sent the ship—and Admiral Kurita—sailing out of the battle in the wrong direction. Kurita, observing the battlefield in his rearview mirror and realizing he wasn’t going to be around to command and control the action, simply ordered a “general attack,” meaning basically every Japanese captain was on his own to figure out what the hell he was supposed to be shooting at. Heerman then hit the battleship Haruma with another torpedo barrage, damaging her hull with a high-explosive underwater kick to the junk. The little Samuel B. Roberts got involved as well, closing with the heavy cruiser Chokai , hammering it with torpedoes, and trading gunfire with it at point-blank range. The Roberts was so small that at such a close range, the Chokai couldn’t depress its guns low enough to hit it, allowing Roberts to get in some sweet shots at Chokai ’s soft peanut-buttery underbelly.

 

As the swirling ship-to-ship free-for-all melee ensued, with three tiny American destroyers engaging a dozen enemy heavy cruisers and battleships at extreme close range, Captain Evans noticed that a group of five Japanese destroyers—ships comparable in size and weaponry to the Johnston —had peeled off from the enemy formation and were preparing to make a torpedo attack on the American carriers. Johnston was crippled and without electrical power (the engine had to be hand-cranked by two strong men while ocean water seeped into the engine room around them), but Evans knew she was the only ship with any prayer of making it there in time. He ordered his ship to turn and attack, diving straight into the formation, guns blazing, firing madly despite being outnumbered five to one by ships in much better fighting shape than his. In his desperate charge, Evans successfully threw the entire Japanese destroyer column off course as they reacted to the heavy shells pounding into their hulls, distracting their aim and sending their entire torpedo complement sailing well wide of the American carriers.

Back in the gun battle now engulfing the seas off Samar Island, the destroyer escorts Dennis , Raymond , and John C. Butler also steamed ahead and joined their sister ship Samuel B. Roberts , powering straight into the teeth of the epic naval duel that now raged across the ocean. The tiny American ships did everything they could to get in the way of the Japanese heavies and keep them away from the carriers, firing with everything they had as planes were diving in and out all over the place blasting away with their guns and bombs. The Heerman was trading fire with two heavy cruisers at point-blank range, Hoel was fighting for her life against impossible odds as three warships hammered her from different sides, and the little Samuel B. Roberts was firing at a rate that would see her expend six hundred rounds from her two guns in the span of just an hour, most of them hammering the heavy cruiser Chokai so hard it actually somehow knocked her out of the battle.

For the next hour the fighting was fast and furious, but the situation was getting darker and darker by the minute. The Heerman and the destroyer escorts damaged the cruiser Chikuma , which turned to escape and was promptly torpedoed into a coral reef by Avenger aircraft, but aside from that, things were slowly starting to turn against the American fleet. Heerman then took a round to the bridge, but continued to fight despite being totally on fire and boxed in by a trio of Japanese destroyers.

 

Swarmed by battleships and cruisers, the Hoel was hit by the battleship Kongo , a trio of heavy fourteen-inch shells smashing her aft engine and guns and rendering her navigation system inoperable. Hoel , virtually dead in the water, still continued on and opened fire with her final torpedoes—aimed manually because the electronics were all toast—the torps striking the cruiser Haguro , detonating some of her lower decks, and forcing her to peel out of formation. But Hoel was in deep trouble. Unable to evade her attackers and with most of her weapons either depleted of ammunition or broken beyond repair, Hoel was struck forty times during the one-hour battle and smashed to bits. The captain finally ordered the crew to abandon ship, but the Hoel ’s gun crews refused, still firing as the ship sank beneath them, reloading the guns manually because the ammo lifting machines were offline.  They were finally silenced only when an enemy round went into the magazine and blew up the ammunition stores. The little Roberts was hit as well, a three-round salvo of massive armor-piercing shells forcing her to call to abandon ship, putting an abrupt end to her heroic struggle.

Back in the carrier fleet the American carrier Gambier Bay became the only U.S. carrier ever sunk by surface fire after taking a stray round from a Japanese battleship. Though the Kalinin Bay was struck fifteen times by enemy shells, she kept floating, which is impressive considering that it only takes five hits to kill a carrier in a game of Battleship, but aside from those two setbacks the rest of the escort carriers continued their desperate sprint to safety, taking full advantage of the brave destroyer escorts now sacrificing themselves to save the day. A second torpedo run by Japanese destroyers was thwarted by quick maneuvering on the part of the escort carriers and by some heroic sharpshooting pilots shooting the torpedoes out of the water with machine gun fire while hauling ass at two hundred miles an hour.

Elsewhere on the battlefield, Johnston was valiantly fighting her last stand, firing wildly in every direction, surrounded by four destroyers hammering the superstructure without mercy. Finally, with all of her guns knocked out and her engines flooded, Evans gave the abandon ship order, then subsequently vanished from history, never to be seen again. As the Japanese destroyers sailed off to rejoin the rest of the battle, their men came on deck and saluted the American sailors as they floated in the water.

In a two-and-a-half hour melee off the coast of Samar Island, the Americans lost four ships—the destroyers Johnston and Hoel , the destroyer escort Samuel B. Roberts , and the escort carrier Gambier Bay . The Japanese, who had gone into the battle with an unimaginably more powerful force, suffered similar losses—two heavy cruisers were dead ( Chokai and Chikuma ) two more were badly damaged ( Kumano and Suzuya ), and the battleship Haruma sustained severe damage to her superstructure and hull. Deciding that his attack wasn’t worth the losses he was taking—and realizing that reinforcements were rapidly approaching in the form of fresh American fighter aircraft and warships—Admiral Kurita called off the attack. Taffy-3 had somehow held off the largest gunship fleet ever assembled, and they’d done it with just six escort carriers and seven destroyers.

Taffy-3 suffered 792 men dead and 768 wounded, and those men who had abandoned ship were stuck spending seventy hours in shark-infested waters before being rescued. But, against all odds, they had accomplished their mission—the carriers and the Leyte landing craft were safe, and the Japanese Center Force had been turned back in one of the most heroic naval battles ever fought. The entire unit received the Presidential Unit Citation, and Captain Ernest E. Evans of the USS Johnston was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor.

Throughout the Battle off Samar, Admiral Kurita had thought he’d been fighting fleet carriers escorted by American heavy cruisers. He had no idea he was actually fighting units half that size.

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Lilit Marcus and Brad Lendon, CNN • Published 2nd April 2021 Up next (CNN) — The world's deepest known shipwreck, a World War II US Navy destroyer, has been fully mapped and filmed by a US-based crew.The ship, the USS Johnston, is at a depth of 21,180 feet (about 6,500 meters) in the Philippine Sea. Its location has been known, but this is the first time that a crew has been able to map and film the entire wreck site.Caladan Oceanic, a US-based private company that focuses on ocean expeditions, gets credit for reaching the shipwreck on March 31. Its research vessel, the DSV Limiting Factor, was able to survey the wreck, which was more than 100 feet deeper than previously believed, sitting in the darkness more than four miles below the surface of the Pacific. The USS Johnson, pictured here in 1943. From US Navy/Naval History and Heritage Command Caladan Oceanic's founder is Victor Vescovo, a former US Navy commander who has a long-established passion for visiting some of the world's most hard-to-get-to places. He holds the record for being the first person in history to have been to the top of all the world's continents, both poles, and the bottom of all its oceans.With the survey of the USS Johnston, Vescovo reached another milestone -- completing the deepest shipwreck dive in history. He was at the controls of the Limiting Factor for the whole process, which took place in two eight-hour segments over two days.

Sunk during the Battle off Samar


The USS Johnston was sunk by the Japanese navy on October 25,1944, during the Battle off Samar. It was one of four naval battles which comprised the Battle of Leyte Gulf, one of the largest battles in the history of naval warfare and engagement that sounded the death knell of the Japanese navy in World War II, according to the US Naval History and Heritage Command (NHHC).Sam Cox, director of the NHHC, said the new images of the wreck of the Johnston help the Navy put the spotlight on the heroism and history of its crew. The ship was named after Lieutenant John V. Johnston, a Civil War hero. Vulcan Inc. The Johnston was captained by Cmdr. Ernest Evans, a Native American from Oklahoma. Along with two other US destroyers and four smaller destroyer escorts, Evans led the Johnston in attacking a far superior Japanese force of four battleships, six heavy cruisers, two light cruisers, and 11 destroyers, according to the NHHC account of the battle.In an initial encounter, fire from the Johnston knocked out a Japanese cruiser, but the US destroyer was heavily damaged and its ammunition depleted. Evans himself was seriously wounded.Undaunted, Evans regrouped his crew and the Johnston attacked the Japanese ships again, drawing their fire from a nearby US aircraft carrier.After two-and-a-half hours of fighting, the Johnston was without power and surrounded by Japanese ships. Evans ordered the crew to abandon ship, and it rolled over and sank. Researchers believe they found the wreckage of the USS Johnston World War II era destroyer at a depth of 20,400 feet under the Philippine Sea. Vulcan Inc. Two of the three ships that followed the Johnston into the Japanese battle line were also sunk, said Carl Schuster, a former Navy captain and Hawaii Pacific University instructor."The discovery of the USS Johnston serves as yet another reminder of the heroism and sacrifice of that day in Leyte Gulf 77 years ago," he said.Of the Johnston's crew of 327 men,186 died, including Evans. He was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor, the first Native American in the US Navy to be awarded his country's highest military honor, according to the NHHC.For Vescovo, being able to reach the USS Johnston was a very personal mission."In some ways we have come full circle," he said in a statement. "The Johnston and our own ship were built in the same shipyard, and both served in the US Navy. As a US Navy officer, I'm proud to have helped bring clarity and closure to the Johnston, its crew, and the families of those who fell there

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Kavika
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1  seeder  Kavika     2 weeks ago

NO POLITICS.

Click on ''seeded content'' to see some of the photos of the USS Johnston lying four miles below the surface of the Philippine Sea.

We have a current member whose father was one of the soldiers on shore that watch history as the battle of Samar took place before him. 

We have another member whose father was on board the Samuel B Roberts the destroyer escort during this epic battle.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @1    2 weeks ago

although I've read and heard it a few times, it's a truly awesome story of USN history. thanks, Kavika.

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  devangelical @1.1    2 weeks ago

You're welcome devan. Hopefully, they'll make a movie of this.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika @1.1.1    one week ago

And a most exciting movie it would be.  Just reading the story you posted was like watching a movie.  The story makes me think of the British movie Sink the Bismark, in which England's biggest battleship, the Hood, was sunk by the Bismark before the Bismark was finally sent to its watery grave.  Very moving story, and so much credit goes to a true Native American warrior for the result.

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1.3  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.2    one week ago

Every time I read about the battle it is quite amazing. Talk about a David and Goliath senario. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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1.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Kavika @1    2 weeks ago

The best book I read on the Leyte Gulf was "The last of the tin-can sailors"   I highly recommend the read.

Incredible decision making and bravery to get the job done  A handful of thinly armored destroyers doing battle at point blank range with Japanese heavy cruisers and battleships.  The shells from the heavy Japanese guns were passing through the destroyers without detonating as their hulls were too thin to set off the fuses. 

Their sacrifice saved the lives of countless other sailors.....  

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.2.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.2    2 weeks ago

I read the book as well, it was a great read.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.2.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.2    2 weeks ago

I have that book, but it's been years since I read it. Guess I need to read it again.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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1.2.3  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2.2    one week ago

Kavika's seed has me pulling it out as well Ed....

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2  Ed-NavDoc    2 weeks ago

I do wish the people who write these articles would do some proper research. The Japanese battleship mentioned at the beginning was not the Yamamoto. It was the Yamato.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2    2 weeks ago

Other than that what did you think of the article?

BTW the author of the article is ex Navy or Marines. Damn, those guys never get it right mixing up an admiral and a battleship, for shame. 

No soup for him.

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Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Kavika @2.1    2 weeks ago

I'm sorry, I should have stated that other that about the Yamato I thought it was a very good article.

 
 
 
TTGA
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2.1.2  TTGA  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.1    2 weeks ago

Ed, it was only in the first couple of paragraphs that they misnamed the ship.  Farther down in the article, they got it right.  Likely that the proofreader didn't catch the earlier mistake.  That sometimes happens.

A bit of expansion.  In April of 1945, while enroute to attack the American forces fighting on Okinawa, the Yamato was attacked by carrier aircraft.  She took 10 torpedoes and 7 bomb hits, rolled over and sank, taking most of her crew with her.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.3  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.1    2 weeks ago

Just giving you a hard time Doc.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Kavika @2.1.3    2 weeks ago

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Greg Jones
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3  Greg Jones    2 weeks ago

For those who are interested.

 
 
 
Kavika
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3.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Greg Jones @3    2 weeks ago

Halsey screwed up and it took Taffy 3 to bail his ass out.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Kavika @3.1    2 weeks ago

Sometimes when little guys go up against the big guys, the little guys do win.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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3.1.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Kavika @3.1    one week ago

He followed it up with another screwup of sailing his taskforce through Typhoon Cobra.  This one cost:

  • Three destroyers
  • 146 aircraft
  • 802 sailors.
 
 
 
Kavika
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3.1.3  seeder  Kavika   replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.2    one week ago

This is from a review I read. 

Reynolds observed, “Tactically, Halsey was a meleeist in the tradition of [Vice Admiral Horatio] Nelson. . . . He had daring and was unafraid to take risks, but he was also sloppy in his procedures.” 19  The indictment concluded: “Admiral Halsey proved to be an embarrassment to the Pacific Fleet after his arrival in the Central Pacific in mid-1944. . . . Halsey managed to leave the Leyte beachhead uncovered to a Japanese fleet bombardment and then took the carriers into two typhoons. . . . The war simply became too complicated for Halsey.” 20
 
 
 
Kavika
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3.1.4  seeder  Kavika   replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.2    one week ago

In some articles I've read the question that arose that this battle was not given more publicity was that the Navy was trying to cover up the huge screw-up by Halsey.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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3.1.5  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Kavika @3.1.4    one week ago

Halsey was shunned for decades by the Navy.  You can tell that simply because they refused to name a class of ships after him.

It wasn't until the eight Leahy class destroyer was laid down in 1960 that he got his name on a ship... (later reclassified as a guided missile cruiser in 1975)

His name is currently on the side of a Burke class destroyer, but again he is well away from he head of the line at 47th in that class.

I would be willing to bet that there are good portions of Naval Academy lectures that come under the heading of "Bull Halsey.... keeping your focus on your mission, and avoiding disasters."   

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.5    one week ago

For as much as being shunned, he was still only one of four naval commanders advanced to the rank of five star Fleet Admiral during or shortly after WW II.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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4  Gordy327    2 weeks ago

I remember Battle 360 on the History Channel (back when the History Channel discussed actual history), there was an episode about the Battle of Leyte Gulf. The navy was so aggressive, the Japanese thought they were being attacked by a more superior force than anticipated. I suppose in some ways, they were.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Gordy327 @4    2 weeks ago

The courage and skill of the Tin Can Sailors and airmen were certainly something that should and will live on in history. 

Finding the wreck of the Johnston is a milestone and at the depth of four miles below the surface of the Philippine Sea is remarkable.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
4.1.1  Gordy327  replied to  Kavika @4.1    2 weeks ago

Agreed on both counts.

 
 
 
Freefaller
PhD Guide
4.2  Freefaller  replied to  Gordy327 @4    2 weeks ago
(back when the History Channel discussed actual history)

Lol you mean Ancient Aliens isn't actual history? 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
4.2.1  Gordy327  replied to  Freefaller @4.2    2 weeks ago

Well, it does say "ancient." jrSmiley_26_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
shona1
Freshman Participates
5  shona1    2 weeks ago

May she slumber well in the depths of the sea. Rest undisturbed along with the lost souls, their duty done...Lest we forget...

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  shona1 @5    one week ago

CMD Ernest E. Evans, ( USS Johnston) Medal of Honor recipient.

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