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Biden Security Adviser Jake Sullivan Tied to Alleged 2016 Clinton Scheme to Co-Opt CIA and FBI to Tar Trump

  

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Via:  vic-eldred  •  3 years ago  •  41 comments

By:   Paul Sperry (RCInvestigates)

Biden Security Adviser Jake Sullivan Tied to Alleged 2016 Clinton Scheme to Co-Opt CIA and FBI to Tar Trump
White House National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan figures prominently in a grand jury investigation run by Special Counsel John Durham into an alleged 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign scheme to use bot

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White House National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan figures prominently in a grand jury investigation run by Special Counsel John Durham into an alleged 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign scheme to use both the FBI and CIA to tar Donald Trump as a colluder with Russia, according to people familiar with the criminal probe, which they say has broadened into a conspiracy case.

Biden National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan as Clinton campaign adviser for the 2016 election. AP Photo/Ng Han Guan, File

Sullivan is facing scrutiny, sources say, over potentially false statements he made about his involvement in the effort. As a senior foreign policy adviser to Clinton, Sullivan spearheaded what was known inside her campaign as a "confidential project" to link Trump to the Kremlin through dubious email-server records provided to the agencies, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Last week, Michael A. Sussmann, a partner in Perkins Coie, a law firm representing the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, was indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of making false statements to the FBI about his clients and their motives behind planting the rumor, at the highest levels of the FBI, of a secret Trump-Russia server.

The grand jury indicated in its lengthy indictment that several people were involved in the alleged conspiracy to mislead the FBI and trigger an investigation of the Republican presidential candidate -- including Sullivan, who was described by his campaign position but not identified by name.

The Clinton campaign project, these sources say, also involved compiling a "digital dossier" on several Trump campaign officials - including Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, George Papadopoulos, and Carter Page. This effort exploited highly sensitive, nonpublic Internet data related to their personal email communications and web-browsing, known as Internet Protocol, or IP, addresses.

Alleged targets: Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, George Papadopoulos, Carter Page. YouTube/CNN/FNC/RCP

To mine the data, the Clinton campaign enlisted a team of Beltway computer contractors as well a university researchers with security clearance who often collaborate with the FBI and the intelligence community. They worked from a five-page campaign document called the "Trump Associates List."

The tech group also pulled logs purportedly from servers for a Russian bank and Trump Tower, and the campaign provided the data to the FBI on two thumb drives, along with three "white papers" that claimed the data indicated the Trump campaign was secretly communicating with Moscow through a server in Trump Tower and the Alfa Bank in Russia. Based on the material, the FBI opened at least one investigation, adding to several others it had already initiated targeting the Trump campaign in the summer of 2016.

Michael Sussmann: Indicted former Clinton campaign lawyer allegedly coordinated with Jake Sullivan on dubious materials provided to the FBI and media. perkinscoie.com

The indictment states that Sussmann, as well as the cyber experts recruited for the operation, "coordinated with representatives and agents of the Clinton campaign with regard to the data and written materials that Sussmann gave to the FBI and the media."

One of those campaign agents was Sullivan, according to emails Durham obtained. On Sept. 15, 2016 - just four days before Sussmann handed off the materials to the FBI - Marc Elias, his law partner and fellow Democratic Party operative, "exchanged emails with the Clinton campaign's foreign policy adviser concerning the Russian bank allegations," as well as with other top campaign officials, the indictment states.

The sources close to the case confirmed the "foreign policy adviser" referenced by title is Sullivan. They say he was briefed on the development of the opposition-research materials tying Trump to Alfa Bank, and was aware of the participants in the project. These included the Washington opposition-research group Fusion GPS, which worked for the Clinton campaign as a paid agent and helped gather dirt on Alfa Bank and draft the materials Elias discussed with Sullivan, the materials Sussmann would later submit to the FBI. Fusion researchers were in regular contact with both Sussmann and Elias about the project in the summer and fall of 2016. Sullivan also personally met with Elias, who briefed him on Fusion's opposition research, according to the sources.

Sullivan maintained in congressional testimony in December 2017 that he didn't know of Fusion's involvement in the Alfa Bank opposition research. In the same closed-door testimony before the House Intelligence Committee, he also denied knowing anything about Fusion in 2016 or who was conducting the opposition research for the campaign.
"Marc [Elias] ... would occasionally give us updates on the opposition research they were conducting, but I didn't know what the nature of that effort was - inside effort, outside effort, who was funding it, who was doing it, anything like that," Sullivan stated under oath.

Jake Sullivan's December 2017 House testimony may put him in perjury jeopardy. House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence

Sullivan also testified he didn't know that Perkins Coie, the law firm where Elias and Sussmann were partners, was working for the Clinton campaign until October 2017, when it was reported in the media as part of stories revealing the campaign's contract with Fusion, which also produced the so-called Steele dossier. Sullivan maintained he didn't even know that the politically prominent Elias worked for Perkins Coie, a well-known Democratic law firm. Major media stories from 2016 routinely identified Elias as "general counsel for the Clinton campaign" and a "partner at Perkins Coie."
"To be honest with you, Marc wears a tremendous number of hats, so I wasn't sure who he was representing," Sullivan testified. "I sort of thought he was, you know, just talking to us as, you know, a fellow traveler in this — in this campaign effort."

Marc Elias: Prominent Democrat lawyer allegedly also coordinated with Sullivan. Sullivan would later plead ignorance under oath about Elias's role. Perkins Coie

Although he acknowledged knowing Elias and his partner were marshaling opposition researchers for a campaign project targeting Trump, Sullivan insisted, "They didn't do something with it." In truth, they used the research to instigate a full-blown investigation at the FBI and seed a number of stories in the Washington media, which Elias discussed in emails.
Lying to Congress is a felony. Though the offense is rarely prosecuted, former Special Counsel Robert Mueller won convictions of two of Trump's associates on charges of that very offense.

An attorney for Sullivan did not respond to questions, while a spokeswoman for the National Security Council declined comment. After the 2016 election, Sullivan continued to participate in the anti-Trump effort, which enlisted no fewer than three Internet companies and two university computer researchers, who persisted in exploiting nonpublic Internet data to conjure up "derogatory information on Trump" and his associates, according to the indictment.
Prosecutors say the operation ran through at least February 2017, when Sullivan met with another central figure in the plot to plant the anti-Trump smear at the FBI. But now the goal was to compel agents to continue investigating the false rumors in the wake of the election, thereby keeping Trump's presidency under an ethical cloud.

Daniel Jones: One of the lead figures in helping resurrect the Trump-Russia collusion narrative after Trump's election, Jones coordinated with Sullivan in hatching the effort. McCain Institute/YouTube

On Feb. 10, 2017, Sullivan huddled with two Fusion operatives and their partner Daniel Jones, a former FBI analyst and Democratic staffer on the Hill, to hatch the post-election plan to resurrect rumors Trump was a tool of the Kremlin. As RealClearInvestigations first reported, the meeting, which lasted about an hour and took place in a Washington office building, also included former Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta. The group discussed raising money to finance a multimillion-dollar opposition research project headed by Jones to target the new president. In effect, Jones' operation would replace the Clinton campaign's operation, continuing the effort to undermine Trump.

It's not clear if Sussmann attended the Feb. 10 meeting, but he was apparently still involved in the operation, along with his crew of data miners. The day before the meeting attended by Sullivan, Sussmann paid a visit to the CIA's Langley headquarters to peddle the disinformation about the secret server - this time to top officials there, according to the sources familiar with Durham's investigation. During a roughly 90-minute meeting, Sussmann provided two officials at the intelligence headquarters "updated" documents and data he'd provided the FBI before the election, RealClearInvestigations has learned exclusively.

Then, on March 28, 2017, Jones met with the FBI to pass on supposedly fresh leads he and the cyber researchers had learned about the Alfa Bank server and Trump, and the FBI looked into the new leads after having closed its investigation a month earlier. That same month, FBI Director James Comey publicly announced the bureau was investigating possible "coordination" between Moscow and the newly sworn-in president's campaign.

Despite the renewed push by Jones, the FBI debunked the tip of a nefarious Russian back channel. Agents learned the email server in question wasn't even controlled by the Trump Organization. "It wasn't true," Mueller confirmed in 2019 testimony.

It turns out that the supposed "secret server" was housed in the small Pennsylvania town of Lititz, and not Trump Tower in New York City, and it was operated by a marketing firm based in Florida called Cendyn that routinely blasts out emails promoting multiple hotel chains. Simply put, the third-party server sent spam to Alfa Bank employees who used Trump hotels. The bank had maintained a New York office since 2001.

"The FBI's investigation revealed that the email server at issue was not owned or operated by the Trump Organization but, rather, had been administrated by a mass-marketing email company that sent advertisements for Trump hotels and hundreds of other clients," Durham wrote in his indictment.

Nonetheless, Jones and Sullivan kept promoting the canard as true.

Democrat Senators Mark Warner and Ron Wyden: Conduits for TDIP's Trump-Russia material. AP Photo/Andrew Harnik

With help from Sullivan and Podesta in 2017, Jones launched a nonprofit group called The Democracy Integrity Project, which raised some $7 million mainly from Silicon Valley tech executives. TDIP hired computer researchers, as well as Fusion opposition researchers and Christopher Steele, the British author of the now-discredited Steele dossier, to "prove" the rumors in the dossier. As they sought new dirt on Trump, they fed their information to media outlets, leading Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee (namely Sens. Mark Warner and Ron Wyden), and the FBI. Jones previously worked on the Senate intelligence panel, which had launched a major investigation of Trump and Russia, and he provided a pipeline of information for the committee, according to the sources.
As RCI first reported, Jones emailed a daily news bulletin known as "TDIP Research" to prominent Beltway journalists to keep the Trump-Russia "collusion" rumor-mill going, including the debunked rumor about the "secret server." Durham has subpoenaed Jones to testify before his grand jury hearing the case, along with computer experts and researchers recruited by Sussmann for the Clinton campaign project, persons close to the investigation said. Attempts to reach Jones for comment were unsuccessful.

In a statement, Durham said his investigation "is ongoing."

Special Counsel John Durham: Lengthy single count "speaking" indictment of Sussmann suggests a broader conspiracy case in the works. AP

Indictments for a single-count process crime such as making a false statement normally run a page or two. But Durham's filing charging Sussmann spans 27 pages and is packed with detail. FBI veterans say the 40-year prosecutor used the indictment to outline a broader conspiracy case he's building that invokes several other federal statutes.
"That is what we call a 'speaking indictment,' meaning it is far more detailed than is required for a simple indictment under [federal statute] 1001," which outlaws making false statements and representations to federal investigators, former assistant FBI Director Chris Swecker said in an interview with RealClearInvestigations.

"It is damning," he added. "And I see it as a placeholder for additional indictments, such as government grant and contract fraud, computer intrusion, the Privacy Act and other laws against dissemination of personally identifiable information, and mail fraud and wire fraud - not to mention conspiracy to commit those offenses."

Chris Swecker: The Sussmann indictment "is damning," and "I definitely see more to come," says the ex-top FBI investigator. Miller & Martin

"I definitely see more [indictments] to come," emphasized Swecker, who knows Durham personally and worked with him on prior investigations. The sources close to the case said former FBI general counsel James Baker, who accepted the sketchy materials from Sussmann and passed them on to agents for investigation, is cooperating with Durham's investigation, along with former FBI counterintelligence chief Bill Priestap, who has provided prosecutors contemporaneous notes about what led the bureau to open an investigation into the allegations Trump used Alfa Bank as a conduit between his campaign and Russian President Vladimir Putin to steal the election.

According to the sources, Durham also has found evidence Sussmann misled the CIA, another front in the scandal being reported here for the first time. In December 2016, the sources say Sussmann phoned the general counsel at the agency and told her the same story about the supposed secret server - at the same time the CIA was compiling a national intelligence report that accused Putin of meddling in the election to help Trump win.
Sussmann told Caroline Krass, then the agency's top attorney, that he had information that may help her with a review President Obama had ordered of all intelligence related to the election and Russia, known as the Intelligence Community Assessment. The review ended up including an annex with several unfounded and since-debunked allegations against Trump developed by the Clinton campaign.
It's not clear if the two-page annex, which claimed the allegations were "consistent with the judgments in this assessment," included the Alfa Bank canard. Before it was made public, several sections had been redacted. But after Sussmann conveyed the information to Krass, an Obama appointee, she told him she would consider it for the intelligence review of Russian interference, which tracks with Sussmann's 2017 closed-door testimony before the House Intelligence Committee. (Krass' name is blacked out in the declassified transcript, but sources familiar with Sussmann's testimony confirmed that he identified her as his CIA contact.)

Caroline Krass: Michael Sussmann also gave Trump-Russia material to this CIA lawyer. CIA/Wikipedia

"We're interested," said Krass, who left the agency several months later. "We're doing this review and I'll speak to someone here."
It's not known if Sussmann failed to inform the top CIA lawyer that he was working on behalf of the Clinton campaign, as he's alleged to have done at the FBI. Attempts to reach Krass, who now serves as Biden's top lawyer at the Pentagon, were unsuccessful.

But in his return trip to the CIA after the election, Sussmann "stated falsely - as he previously had stated to the FBI general counsel - that he was 'not representing a particular client,' " according to the Durham indictment, which cites a contemporaneous memo drafted by two agency officials with whom Sussmann met that memorializes their meeting. (The document refers to the CIA by the pseudonym "Agency-2." Sources confirm Agency-2 is the CIA.)
Remarkably, the CIA did not ask for the source of Sussmann's walk-in tip, including where he got several data files he gave the agency. The FBI exhibited a similar lack of curiosity when Sussmann told it about the false Trump/Alfa Bank connection.

Attempts to reach Sussmann to get his side to the additional CIA allegations leveled by Durham were unsuccessful. The 57-year-old attorney pleaded not guilty to a single felony count and was released on a $100,000 bond Friday. If convicted, he faces up to five years in prison.
The prominent Washington lawyer quietly resigned from Perkins Coie, which has scrubbed all references to him from its website. And late last month, as rumors of the indictment swirled, the powerhouse law firm divested its entire Political Law Group formerly headed by Marc Elias - who commissioned the Steele dossier. Elias, who worked closely with Sussmann on the Trump-Alfa Bank project, also is no longer employed by the firm.

Jake Sullivan's Golf Cart Rounds


In late July 2016, during the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, the CIA picked up Russian chatter about a Clinton foreign policy adviser who was trying to develop allegations to "vilify" Trump. The intercepts said Clinton herself had approved a "plan" to "stir up a scandal" against Trump by tying him to Putin. According to hand-written notes, then-CIA chief John Brennan warned President Obama that Moscow had intercepted information about the "alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on July 26, 2016, of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to vilify Donald Trump." That summer, Brennan had personally briefed Democrats, including then-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, on the Alfa Bank-Trump server rumors, according to congressional reports. Reid fired off a letter to Comey demanding that the FBI do more to investigate Trump's ties to Russia.
During that convention, Sullivan drove a golf cart from one TV-network news tent in the parking lot to another, pitching producers and anchors a story that Trump was conspiring with Putin to steal the election. CNN, ABC News, CBS News, and NBC News, as well as Chris Wallace of Fox News, all gave him airtime to spin the Clinton campaign's unfounded theories. Sullivan also gave off-camera background briefings to reporters.
"We were on a mission," Clinton campaign spokeswoman Jennifer Palmieri later admitted in a Washington Post column. "We wanted to raise the alarm."
Then, on the eve of the election, Sullivan claimed in a written campaign statement that Trump and the Russians had set up a "secret hotline" through Alfa Bank, and he suggested "federal authorities" were investigating "this direct connection between Trump and Russia." He portrayed the shocking discovery as the work of independent experts — "computer scientists" — without disclosing their attachment to the campaign.
"This could be the most direct link yet between Donald Trump and Moscow," Sullivan claimed.
Clinton teed up his statement in an Oct. 31, 2016, tweet, which quickly went viral. Also that day, Clinton tweeted, "It's time for Trump to answer serious questions about his ties to Russia," while attaching a meme that read: "Donald Trump has a secret server. It was set up to communicate privately with a Putin-tied Russian bank called Alfa Bank."

The Clinton campaign played up the bogus Trump-Alfa Bank story on the eve of the 2016 election. Twitter/@HillaryClinton

It's not immediately apparent if then-Vice President Joe Biden was briefed about the Alfa Bank tale or other Trump-Russia rumors and investigations.

Biden has never been questioned about his own role in the investigation of Trump. However, it was the former vice president who introduced the idea of prosecuting Trump's national security adviser appointee, Gen. Flynn, under the Logan Act of 1799, a dead-letter statute that prohibits private citizens from interfering in U.S. foreign policy and which hasn't been used to prosecute anyone in modern times. According to notes taken by FBI counterintelligence official Peter Strzok, who attended a Jan. 5, 2017, Oval Office meeting with Obama and Biden, in which Trump, Flynn and Russia were discussed, Biden raised the idea: "VP: Logan Act," the notes read.

Although he's not an attorney, Sullivan has argued in congressional testimony and elsewhere that Flynn violated the Logan Act, raising suspicions he may have put the idea in Biden's head. Sullivan had advised the vice president before joining the Clinton campaign.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    3 years ago

Question:  Is Biden's national security advisor in Durham's crosshairs?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 years ago

Question:  Is Biden's national security advisor in Durham's crosshairs?

If true, in Durham's crosshairs would be the safest place to be with the utter incompetence that Durham has shown.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2  JBB    3 years ago

This just proves our own intelligence agencies were investigating Trump's Russian collusion long before Marco Rubio funded the Steel Dossier or Hillary Clinton had anything to do with it. Trump and his family were secretly negotiating with the Russians to build Trump Tower Moscow right up to election day in 2016...

Don Jr and Rudy Giuliani have admitted to all of it.

Trump even tried to bribe Putin with a penthouse!

You can't blame the FBI or CIA for doing their jobs.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @2    3 years ago

LMAO!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.1  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    3 years ago

Why? What I stated above is all verified facts...

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1.2  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    3 years ago

You cannot co-opt something that doesn't exist.

Both the FBI and CIA were already investigating trump, with good cause, all prior to the election. 

That is why John Durham is coming up bupkiss.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @2.1.2    3 years ago
That is why John Durham is coming up bupkiss.

LMAO!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.4  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @2.1.1    3 years ago

None of it  is true or factual.  You've  been duped.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.5  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.4    3 years ago

Prove me wrong! You cannot. The fact show that what I said is 100% factual. Just admit it.

The CIA and FBI were already investigating Trump for his secret deals with Russia long before the 2016 election. The American people deserved to know the truth about Trump's clandestine Russian deals and it would have been impossible for intelligence agencies not to know and to investigate it.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @2.1.5    3 years ago

So, what did they find? THAT'S the bottom line.

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1.7  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.6    3 years ago

That Trump was secretly colluding with the Russians about business deals and getting help from Putin for his campaign and lying about it!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.8  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @2.1.7    3 years ago

Show us

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.9  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @2.1.5    3 years ago

There were no clandestine Russian deals. Quit making stuff up.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.9    3 years ago

He's been called

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.11  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @2.1.7    3 years ago

Link???

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.12  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.11    3 years ago

He just makes pronouncements, There are never any links.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.13  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.12    3 years ago

Drive by disinformation ....

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @2.1.5    3 years ago
The CIA and FBI were already investigating Trump for his secret deals with Russia long before the 2016 election.

Ok. Tell us all about the results of the investigations the CIA and FBI conducted into secret deals between Trump and Russia.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3  Greg Jones    3 years ago

In a statement, Durham said his investigation "is ongoing."

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @3    3 years ago

If John Durham had anything he would have shown it while it might have helped Trump's reelection...

He did not. Now he is just shuffling papers till 2024.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3.1    3 years ago
If John Durham had anything he would have shown it while it might have helped Trump's reelection...

That wouldn't have been the right thing to do?  The idea is to follow the facts, as someone here likes to say.


He did not.

He didn't play politics, nor was he ready to file his report. The investigation goes on. You have two indictments thus far.

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.2  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.1    3 years ago

When did Trump ever care about doing right?

Where are indictments of Obama and Holder?

Durham never indicted Andy McCabe, either...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3.1.2    3 years ago
When did Trump ever care about doing right?

When he acted as President


Where are indictments of Obama and Holder?

Are we about to hear another lie?


Durham never indicted Andy McCabe, either...

Why didn't he?

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.4  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.3    3 years ago

Our intelligence agencies were already legitimately investigating Trump for his clandestine possibly illegal business and personal dealings with the Kremlin long before 2016. It was out of Democratic hands. Trump and Co put themselves onto the FBI's and CIA's itinerary all by themselves without any help from anyone...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3.1.4    3 years ago

Starting when?  and based on what?

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.6  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.3    3 years ago

The grand jury declined to indict Andrew McCabe because they did not believe he had actually lied or had committed any crimes...

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @3.1.4    3 years ago

And a link to their findings would be great................if you can find one......

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.8  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.5    3 years ago

Look it up! You can do it. It's public knowledge.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.7    3 years ago

It's going to be tough. You see, the FBI never had any evidence, only political dirt paid for by Hillary Clinton's campaign.

And this is all two of them want to talk about, yet they can't prove anything they say.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3.1.8    3 years ago
Look it up! You can do it. It's public knowledge.

You have to give us a link, otherwise it's all bullshit

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.11  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.10    3 years ago

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.12  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.10    3 years ago

How many links before you accept reality?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.13  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3.1.11    3 years ago
Our intelligence agencies were already legitimately investigating Trump for his clandestine possibly illegal business and personal dealings with the Kremlin long before 2016.

Your "fact check" link does not show that there was an investigation of Trump going on before 2016. According to the "fact check" timeline the first investigation started on July 31, 2016, which is the date the FBI always claimed that it began on. The reason given was the one that the FBI always gave - that Papadopoulos had learned that the Russians obtained “dirt” on Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails.”

That's not news. The FBI openede a counterintelligence investigation in 2016 because such an investigation doesn't require a criminal predicate. We also know that Papadopoulos was fed all that shit by a CIA operastive.

That was it?

That's sad.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.1.14  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @3.1.12    3 years ago

Nice links.................to the timeline. But you said this up above.

Our intelligence agencies were already legitimately investigating Trump for his clandestine possibly illegal business and personal dealings with the Kremlin long before 2016.

And your factcheck link states this

In July 2016, the FBI began investigating the Russian government’s attempt to influence the 2016 presidential election,
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.15  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3.1.12    3 years ago

-- The FBI’s counterintelligence probe was not launched because of the “dossier,”

It was opened because of what we now know was a framed Papadopoulos. Wev'e learned a lot since 2017 & 2019. First and foremost, the FBI had no right to investigate a political campaign or private citizens. Thanks for the timelines.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.16  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3.1.6    3 years ago
The grand jury declined to indict Andrew McCabe

You can't even prove that...here..




You ran with every rumor there was

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.17  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @3.1.12    3 years ago
How many links before you accept reality?

How about you give a link not based on fantasy / false / incomplete information first.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.1.18  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.3    3 years ago
When he acted as President

He never "acted" as President.  Even when he had an opportunity to.  If he'd handled COVID with even a tiny modicum of leadership, we'd have had 4 more years of the idiot.  But he refused to handle the crisis, 600,000 Americans died because of him, and Biden won with a record number of votes.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.19  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.18    3 years ago
If he'd handled COVID with even a tiny modicum of leadership, we'd have had 4 more years of the idiot. 

Bullshit. Biden has his own death total, the same medical advisor Trump had and the vaccines Trump left him.

The difference is the media hasn't pushed a narrative blaming Biden.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.1.20  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.19    3 years ago

Lol ..... that's because in their minds, it's all still Trumps fault.

Everything bad?   Trumps fault

Everything good?   Bidens doing.

Such is the dysfunction junction these days .......

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5  Sean Treacy    3 years ago

He's as corrupt as they come.

 
 

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