ACLU suggests Biden out to lunch over $450K migrant separation payouts

  

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Via:  vic-eldred  •  4 weeks ago  •  65 comments

By:   By Steven Nelson and Samuel Chamberlain

ACLU suggests Biden out to lunch over $450K migrant separation payouts
“Yeah. $450,000 per person — is that what you’re saying?” Biden replied. “That’s not gonna happen.”

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President Biden “may not have been fully briefed about the actions of his very own Justice Department,” the ACLU charged Wednesday, after he labeled as “garbage” a news report that his administration is considering  $450,000 per person  payouts to families separated after illegally crossing the US-Mexico border.

In a statement, ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero warned Biden that he risked “abandoning a core campaign promise to do justice for the thousands of separated families.

“We respectfully remind President Biden that he called these actions ‘criminal’ in a debate with then-President Trump, and campaigned on remedying and rectifying the lawlessness of the Trump administration,” Romero said. “We call on President Biden to right the wrongs of this national tragedy.”

Hours earlier, Fox News correspondent Peter Doocy had asked Biden if the payments, which were first reported last week by the Wall Street Journal, could incentivize even more illegal immigration.

“If you guys keep sending that garbage out? Yeah. But it’s not true,” Biden shot back.

“So this is a garbage report?” Doocy asked.

“Yeah. $450,000 per person — is that what you’re saying?” Biden replied. “That’s not gonna happen.”

However, the Journal  reported last week  that the Departments of Justice, Homeland Security, and Health and Human Services “are considering payments that could amount to close to $1 million a family” for migrants detained during the Trump administration.

The total amount paid out could reach close to $1 billion to settle lawsuits filed over the separations, which drew public outcry because children were housed apart from their parents.

Family units were separated under then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions’  April 2018  “zero tolerance” policy of prosecuting all adults who illegally cross the border. Trump signed an order to end family separations in  June 2018  after backlash.

Payouts to illegal immigrant families would not be the first controversial legal settlement agreed to by the Biden administration.

The Justice Department last month  agreed to restore  former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe’s pension and to pay him $200,000 in missed benefits and  $540,000  in attorney fees.

McCabe was fired in 2018 at the urging of the FBI’s non-partisan Office of Professional Responsibility after he allegedly lied to FBI agents, the Justice Department inspector general’s office and former FBI Director James Comey about authorizing a leak to the media about a probe of the Clinton Foundation. He was not prosecuted, even though lying to the FBI carries up to five years in prison.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

Evidently, his handlers aren't even bothering to tell Biden what they are doing.

Can't really blame them.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 weeks ago

And it's causing Brandon to look more of a failure than we already know he is

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1    4 weeks ago

There's no saving him now and the worst part is that he selected someone less liked than himself for VP.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    4 weeks ago

Maybe he considered selecting Harris a kind of insurance, a defensive move.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.2    4 weeks ago

Do you really think he's that smart?  All he promised was a black woman.....any black woman!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    4 weeks ago

A person on his/her own has to be smart.  The POTUS has an army of advisors. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    4 weeks ago

Her ONLY qualification was that she was a woman.  Sheer pandering.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.4    4 weeks ago

And his advisors are running the show. Their big mistake was allowing Harris. Now they have nothing for 2024.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.5    4 weeks ago

That was Biden's campaign: pander to blacks & Trump haters and hide in the basement!

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.7    4 weeks ago

Pretty good plan Soros and Rice came up with eh?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.8    4 weeks ago

2021 will be remembered as the year that the left imposed all of their desires on America. There can be no stepping away from this.

 
 
 
gooseisback
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1.1.10  gooseisback  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.5    4 weeks ago
she was a woman.

Hey wait.....can we say that?  Or is this just a person who happens to have a vagina! 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  gooseisback @1.1.10    4 weeks ago

She might identify as a hockey puck for all we know.

 
 
 
gooseisback
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1.1.12  gooseisback  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.11    4 weeks ago
She might identify as a hockey puck for all we know.

I believe the IQ's would be the same.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.13  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  gooseisback @1.1.10    4 weeks ago
"Hey wait.....can we say that?  Or is this just a person who happens to have a vagina! "

I think these days you have to say she was a woperson.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.14  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.11    4 weeks ago
"She might identify as a hockey puck for all we know."

No way.  She's not a Canadian.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.14    4 weeks ago
She's not a Canadian.

We sure as hell don't want her.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 weeks ago

Implausible deniability? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2    4 weeks ago
Implausible deniability? 

That is what they would call it.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2  Buzz of the Orient    4 weeks ago

If Trump was the one who cruelly ordered that the children be separated from their parents maybe HE'S the one who should come up with the reparations.  I wonder how he'd feel if Barron were taken away from him and put in a foster home. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    4 weeks ago

Won't happen and why in the hell is the solution always to throw money at a problem? Person gets killed, millions awarded. Like that will bring the dead person back. It's all bullshit. Reparations my ass. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1    4 weeks ago

Hey, then YOU put the families back together, because that's certainly better than compensation, isn't it. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.1    4 weeks ago

Sure would be. And not my problem.

And they wouldn't be in this predicament had they not broken the fucking law. Capiche?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    4 weeks ago
If Trump was the one who cruelly ordered that the children be separated from their parents maybe HE'S the one who should come up with the reparations. 

Well, Obama did it too,

Btw, how would you keep those incarcerated with their children?

It happens every day, just about everywhere.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2    4 weeks ago

Lol .... you beat me to it by about 2 minutes

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2    4 weeks ago

Weren't the Japanese Americans interned with their children during WW2?  I've read stories that indicated that they were.  If Obama did it too, why didn't Trump sign an order reversing it as soon as he took office?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.2    4 weeks ago
Weren't the Japanese Americans interned with their children during WW2?

They were. Is that what you are recommending?


 If Obama did it too, why didn't Trump sign an order reversing it as soon as he took office?

Because, like Obama, Donald Trump didn't see anything wrong with punishing with law breakers.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.2    4 weeks ago

Deterrent. Plain and simple. But they were told different by the coyotes and handlers of the migration.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.3    4 weeks ago

They were desperate. I guess it's hard for Americans to know what that feels like.  Maybe they didn't think that the kind open arms of 'America, you know, like the words at the 'Statue of Liberty, wouldn't take their children away and throw them into prisons. 

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.2.6  charger 383  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.5    4 weeks ago

why should they come here and be problems for us?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.5    4 weeks ago
Maybe they didn't think that the kind open arms of 'America, you know, like the words at the 'Statue of Liberty, wouldn't take their children away and throw them into prisons. 

Maybe they thought Biden meant it when as a candidate, he had telegraphed that he wouldn’t, in fact, enforce our laws or secure our border. Migrants came en masse, because they believed Team Biden had invited them. 

That's too bad.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.2.8  Sparty On  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.2    4 weeks ago

Completely different thing Buzz and i think you know that but lets examine why that happened in context with those times.

Japan had just sneak attacked us without declaring war and killed thousands of Americans.   A 9-11 type event or worse for the times.    We were at war and Roosevelt wasn't sure who could be trusted.   IMO he made the right decision for the times.   In retrospect it appears to have been overkill but i guess we will never know that for sure since they were interred and therefore were never afforded the ability to be subversive if that's what they were going to do..

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.2.9  Nerm_L  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.5    4 weeks ago
They were desperate. I guess it's hard for Americans to know what that feels like.  Maybe they didn't think that the kind open arms of 'America, you know, like the words at the 'Statue of Liberty, wouldn't take their children away and throw them into prisons. 

Canada had a similar problem with US draft dodgers in the 1960s.  

I don't know about China's problems with illegal immigrants.  Communist countries seem to have a bigger problem keeping their own population in the country rather than people trying get into the country.  The flood of border jumpers on the US border are people escaping communism.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.10  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Nerm_L @2.2.9    4 weeks ago

Canada isn't the topic, nor is China, but I DO know that draft dodgers during the Vietnam war had no problem settling in Canada because some of them were my friends and I even created a business partnership with two of them and it became quite successful.  

I doubt that most of those you call border jumpers came from Communist countries - dictatorships maybe, authoritarian government maybe, but that isn't Communism.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.11  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.3    4 weeks ago
"Because, like Obama, Donald Trump didn't see anything wrong with punishing with law breakers."

I think separating children from their parents is cruel and unusual punishment for the children if not for the parents (unless, of course, it is because the parents abuse their children).

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.12  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.11    4 weeks ago

You want them locked up/deported together?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.13  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.12    4 weeks ago

What I want is irrelevant.  I've simply been playing devil's advocate here, and it did generate quite a few comments for the benefit of your seed.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    4 weeks ago

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charger 383
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2.5  charger 383  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    4 weeks ago

If they had stayed were they belonged this would not be an issue

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.5.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  charger 383 @2.5    4 weeks ago

Stayed where they belonged?  If that were the rule only the Indians would be populating America and you'd be living where your ancestors came from. 

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.5.2  charger 383  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.5.1    4 weeks ago

and you would not have been in Canada either

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.5.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  charger 383 @2.5.2    4 weeks ago

Canada is not the topic, but yes, if immigrants were never permitted to go to Canada it would be populated only by the First Nations.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.6  Nerm_L  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    4 weeks ago
If Trump was the one who cruelly ordered that the children be separated from their parents maybe HE'S the one who should come up with the reparations.  I wonder how he'd feel if Barron were taken away from him and put in a foster home. 

Separating children was a legal requirement. 

The Trump administration was detaining border jumpers longer to process them while they were in detention.  The Trump administration was not releasing border jumpers into the country to await processing.  The law does not allow children to be mixed with adults held in detention.  The law requires separating children from adults to protect the children.

Keep in mind that it was the border jumpers engaged in a criminal act; not the government.  The border jumpers broke the law.  The border jumpers were the criminals.  The law requires that immigrants enter the country through ports of entry.  Jumping the border is illegal.

Entering the country through a port of entry is inconvenient; particularly when a large number of people are trying to enter the county.  The law doesn't reward a desire for instant gratification.  Breaking the law by jumping the border is a shortcut to achieve gratification faster.  In the case of immigration, crime pays.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.6.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Nerm_L @2.6    4 weeks ago

So when the parents were released or deported, why weren't their children reunited with them?  Yes, it's a criminal act for people who have never been criminals to take the words on the Statue of Liberty seriously and in desperation seek a better life.  I think it's time to remove those words from the Statue of Liberty because they are VERY misleading. 

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.6.2  charger 383  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.6.1    4 weeks ago

I agree, that poem is not law or public policy

It is a good slogan for a scrapyard or recycling center but not a country that is now overpopulated

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.6.3  Nerm_L  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.6.1    4 weeks ago
So when the parents were released or deported, why weren't their children reunited with them?  Yes, it's a criminal act for people who have never been criminals to take the words on the Statue of Liberty seriously and in desperation seek a better life.  I think it's time to remove those words from the Statue of Liberty because they are VERY misleading.

Many, many people read those words when they disembarked on Ellis Island, which was a port of entry.  The requirement is to enter through a port of entry.  The United States has accepted millions of immigrants through ports of entry.

The Statue of Liberty doesn't allow immigrants to just do as they please.  Why do the most liberal minded about immigration claim that the US is a nation of laws when it comes time to impeach a President?  Why are the most liberal minded trying to protect the ability of border jumpers to break the law?

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.6.4  charger 383  replied to  Nerm_L @2.6.3    4 weeks ago
      "The United States has accepted millions of immigrants through ports of entry."
That was when we needed immigrants and all they had to do was go out west where there wasn't anybody except Indians.   Some of those pointing to that poem and favoring immigrants also complain about the way Indians were treated.  Can't have it both ways

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.7  charger 383  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    4 weeks ago

Should the children be put in adult jails with their lawbreaking parents?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.7.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  charger 383 @2.7    4 weeks ago

That would be better than separating them from their parents forever, which is what seems to have happened with a lot of them.  Do you have kids?  How would YOU feel if that happened to you?

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
2.7.2  charger 383  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.7.1    4 weeks ago

I did not commit the crime of illegibly crossing the US border, 

 

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
2.7.3  charger 383  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.7.1    4 weeks ago

They would have howled worse about that 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.7.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.7.1    4 weeks ago
That would be better than separating them from their parents forever,

Except it is against the law...................................too

 
 
 
gooseisback
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2.7.5  gooseisback  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.7.1    4 weeks ago
That would be better than separating them from their parents

In Canada do the children accompany the single mom's to jail?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.7.6  Sparty On  replied to  gooseisback @2.7.5    4 weeks ago

Yes and they give them both an order of Poutine for their troubles.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.7.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sparty On @2.7.6    4 weeks ago
"Yes and they give them both an order of Poutine for their troubles"

.With a butter tart and a cup of Tim Horton's coffee.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
2.7.8  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  gooseisback @2.7.5    4 weeks ago

In Canada single moms are jailed only if they commit serious crimes and border jumping would not be considered a crime serious enough to jail anyone.  In case of being jailed for a serious crime they would be considered a bad influence on their children anyway.  Canada would most likely require house arrest if minor crimes were committed by single moms.  House arrest was used in Canada for Weng, the CFO of Huawei in an international fraud case. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.7.9  Sparty On  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.7.7    4 weeks ago

Lol ... and a pound of back bacon

 
 
 
charger 383
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4  charger 383    4 weeks ago

First Biden remined me of Uncle Joe from Petticoat Junction, "Uncle Joe, He's a movin kinda slow "  but now he is more like Mr MaGoo 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1  Sparty On  replied to  charger 383 @4    4 weeks ago

Oh Biden .... you've done it again.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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5  Buzz of the Orient    4 weeks ago

Well, it's been fun and I've enjoyed this banter, but it's 10:20 p.m. here now and I'm going to bed.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5    4 weeks ago

Sleep well.............

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
5.2  charger 383  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5    4 weeks ago

Good night, I'm off to get a coffee

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6  Sean Treacy    4 weeks ago

Does his administration even bother letting him know what it’s doing at this point?  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    4 weeks ago

I don't think so by the looks of it.............at all.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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7  Tacos!    4 weeks ago

It did seem like Biden was hearing about this for the time, when asked about it. It might be that either the initial story was bogus or those government departments aren’t really “considering” the idea as much as we were led to believe - if at all.

I’m not sure any government department would even have the authority to make payments like that without an appropriation from Congress. As to that option, even the most progressive members of Congress have to know that would be political suicide. 

 
 
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