Starbucks unionization vote is 'tip of the iceberg,' organizers say

  

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Starbucks unionization vote is 'tip of the iceberg,' organizers say
Labor organizers say the unionization of a Starbucks store in Buffalo, New York, could be "the tip of the iceberg." "The pandemic has laid bare the typical lip

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Labor organizers say the unionization of a Starbucks store in Buffalo, New York, could be "the tip of the iceberg."

"The pandemic has laid bare the typical lip service that workers get," said Christian Sweeney, deputy organizing director of the AFL-CIO labor union. "There's been lots of praise for people doing grunt work," but few worker gains, he said.

"Workers doing essential work have higher expectations that they're going to see wages and benefits reflect the essential nature of their work," Sweeney said. More organizing activity is growing at restaurants, food retail establishments and among e-commerce delivery and distribution center workers, he said.

Across the country, a new momentum appears to be gathering for increased worker power and rights. Employers are clamoring for workers as many hang back for health or child care issues, or because their time apart has given them a chance to reflect on what they want out of life. Historic levels of job openings have stiffened workers' spines as they feel more confident than they have in years, quitting jobs at historic levels, in what is being termed "The Great Resignation," and demanding higher wages and benefits.

In 2020, the number of strikes and work stoppages fell to historic lows. For 2021, there have been 346 so far, according to the Cornell University Labor Action Tracker. John Deere workers struck for a month starting in October over a new contract, while Kellogg workers are still on strike. Health care workers in California struck as one-third of state hospitals experienced staffing shortages, and Nabisco workers went on strike.

A union drive at an Amazon warehouse in Bessemer, Alabama, was defeated earlier this year, but in late November the regional office of the National Labor Relations Board ordered a new election after a hearing officer found that the e-commerce giant had illegally discouraged organizing. On Thursday, 17,000 student researchers at the University of California, San Diego, won the right to be recognized as a union represented by the UAW.

Starbucks Workers United, an affiliate of the Service Employees International Union, may also have energy to spark more organizing elsewhere. Starbucks workers in Mesa, Arizona, have also sent a letter to the company petitioning for a union election.

After plunging to a historic low in 2009 at the height of the Great Recession, Americans' support for unions is now around 68 percent, according to Gallup polling, a level not seen since 1965.

Unions aren't just for blue collar factory workers or public service employees any more. Organizing attempts have succeeded or been attempted at digital and legacy media organizations in recent years.

"It's a generational issue. For these workers, they're poor people. They work at Starbucks. They have second jobs or are in school with debt. Almost none of them have any hope for owning a home," said Richard Bensinger, an experienced organizer who assisted with the Starbucks unionization effort.

The role of unions has been a hotly debated and politicized issue for years. Some labor economists see unions as creating market inefficiencies by effectively monopolizing and withholding labor in order to raise wages above competitive levels, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis.

But, in circumstances where companies have excessive control over market structure, unions have a positive impact overall, according to the bank's report.

"In special cases — for example in a "company town" where labor mobility is restricted and there are just one or two employers — a labor union can counteract the monopsony power of the employer(s), resulting in more efficient resource allocation and a net benefit to society."

The pandemic has made clear there is a profound power imbalance between employers and employees, said Heidi Shierholz, president of the Economic Policy Institute, a nonprofit think tank.

"Rising inequality and stagnant wages for working people for most of the last four decades, corporate profits going like gangbusters and billionaires' fortunes going up by billions in the middle of pandemic has underscored that this is an economy not working for everyone," Shierholz said.

Billionaires' fortunes going up by billions in the middle of pandemic has underscored that this is an economy not working for everybody.

"These are extraordinary circumstances. We're in the aftermath of a Covid recession and we're still in a pandemic. People are watching workers literally die because of unsafe workplaces," she said.

On Friday, President Joe Biden, who was outspoken in his pro-union beliefs during his election campaign, added his voice to the chorus, sending out a statement in support of striking Kellogg workers.

He spoke specifically to reports that Kellogg would permanently replace striking workers during collective bargaining, but he also expressed backing for union workers more broadly, acknowledging "the critical role collective bargaining plays in providing workers a voice and the opportunity to improve their lives while contributing fully to their employer's success."

"Unions built the middle class of this country," Biden said in the statement. "My unyielding support for unions includes support for collective bargaining, and I will aggressively defend both."

Labor members think the Starbucks union effort marks a watershed for the workers' movement.

"It could inspire other workers on the fence to go for it. More unions equals better wages for all," said Tia Yammie, a unionized service industry worker from California.

"Why is there growing support for unions? Because workers are tired of low wages, no benefits, and lack of protection. Waiting for someone to hand workers a living wage, job protections hasn't worked, the time to demand it and get it is now."


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Sparty On
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1  Sparty On    2 months ago

Great news for everyone who wants to pay even more for products being produced by unionized labor.    Also for people who enjoy the higher inflation it will help bring as well.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1  Ender  replied to  Sparty On @1    2 months ago

How in the world is Starbucks employees getting a union going to cause inflation...

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ender @1.1    2 months ago

Starbucks was already ridiculously expensive, for bad coffee.  I don't think unionization is the biggest problem they'll face.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.2  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.1    2 months ago

I have never been in one, but I buy my daughter gift cards for them on holidays.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.3  Ender  replied to  devangelical @1.1.2    2 months ago

I don't mind them but they are expensive.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.1.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  devangelical @1.1.2    2 months ago

Apparently, if you get the frilly drinks, they're all right.  The flavorings disguise the taste of the coffee itself.  I usually drink my coffee black, no sugar, so there's nothing to disguise the taste.

Now, I do drink a frilly coffee drink now and then - something iced or frozen in summer, maybe.  But they're sugar bombs, so I try not to get them often.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
1.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  Ender @1.1    one month ago

Economics 100.  

When costs go up, they help increase inflation.   Higher labor costs certainly won't lower inflation.

Do you think think the cost of Starbucks will remain the same when their labor costs go up?

I'm apparently one of the few people here who actually understands such concepts.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
1.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.1    one month ago

I agree but their coffee isn't bad imo.   I've had it before when someone else was buying.

But then again I'm not a coffee snob, i like MacDonalds coffee when i'm not drinking my Black Rifle K-pod coffee.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.1.7  Nowhere Man  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.1    one month ago
Starbucks was already ridiculously expensive, for bad coffee.  I don't think unionization is the biggest problem they'll face.

100% agree on the bad coffee... as far as unionization goes, one branch out of over 9000? (and they barely won there) Methinks the union organizer is a bit over-optimistic, they were trying to get 6 of them to unionize.... the rest of the 9k didn't even certify as organized to hold a vote...

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.1.8  sandy-2021492  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.6    one month ago

I like McDonalds' coffee.  Starbucks coffee tastes burnt and acidic to me.

I gave up on Keurigs after my third one quit working less than a year after I bought it.  Bad water pump.  I used filtered water, de-limed it, etc., but it died an early death, anyway.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.9  Sparty On  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.8    one month ago

I've had better luck with Keurig.   Still on my first one, it's at least 6 years old.  

I have friends trying to talk me into that french press nonsense.   I admit, it can be better coffee but it feels like a lab experiment to me.  

When i do drink coffee at home, not every morning, i like my Keurig K-pods.

More than good enough for me.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1.7    one month ago

I thought they were going for all of Starbucks.   The only way it could affect inflation in a meaningful way

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.1.11  Nowhere Man  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.10    one month ago

Nope, a foot in the door thing, No where nears getting enough to get a dispensation for a companywide vote.. (30% yes vote)

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.1.12  Nowhere Man  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.4    one month ago
The flavorings disguise the taste of the coffee itself.  I usually drink my coffee black, no sugar, so there's nothing to disguise the taste.

Me too I'm a mocha nut, 24oz 3 shot in hershey's.... other than that, black coffee perk for me...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @1    one month ago

There is one proven way to beat American unions, but I don't think Starbucks will be able to brew & serve their coffee from China.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2  Right Down the Center    2 months ago

While I have no use for unions there is a certain amount of satisfaction seeing them organize at a company that has spent so much time and money virtue signaling and caving to the woke mob in order to avoid a getting unionized.  Another example of the woke eating there own.....lovely.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1  devangelical  replied to  Right Down the Center @2    2 months ago
I have no use for unions

I'm always amazed by the willful ignorance exhibited by those that make that claim, especially after being employed in this country and enjoying the benefits that unions have directly made possible for all working americans the last 100 years.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  devangelical @2.1    2 months ago

There was a time when unions were a good thing for the country, that time is long gone.  I'm always amazed by the willful ignorance exhibited by those that make the claim that they are somehow still needed even though their power and numbers have greatly diminished over the past 100 years because they are no longer needed. 

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.1.2  charger 383  replied to  devangelical @2.1    2 months ago

here I agree with you

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  charger 383 @2.1.2    2 months ago

I have no problems with unions other than people being forced to pay them to work. I feel each person should decide for themselves what to spend their money on.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @2    2 months ago

What strikes me as funny is how hard unions and their supporters have to work to convince working people that they need to pay a union in order to have a good job. And why do unions and especially Democrats fight so hard to make it where people MUST join a union instead of merely having a choice.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2    2 months ago

Unions have become corrupt and some people just don't see it because they live in the past and don't see what crooks they are.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.1    2 months ago

And Democrats will continue to prop up unions as much as possible to ensure the huge campaign donations continue to flow to them. Quid Pro Quo.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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2.2.3  Nowhere Man  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2    one month ago

Besides unions are predominantly a government thing today, they are virtually non-existent in the public sector as a percentage of employed... The only way they have any political power is the money they give to democrat candidates... that's the real reason the Democrats LOVE them...

A ready source of funding...

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.2.4  Sparty On  replied to  Nowhere Man @2.2.3    one month ago
Besides unions are predominantly a government thing today,

Don't kid yourself.   They don't have the numbers like they did in the 50's but private unions like the NEA are still very powerful.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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2.2.5  Nowhere Man  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.4    one month ago

But the NEA (National Education Association) is a union of government workers comprising of mostly public school employees... Most private schools do not have teachers associated with it...

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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2.2.6  Nowhere Man  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.4    one month ago
They don't have the numbers like they did in the 50's

I know they don't, the days of the Teamsters threatening to shut the country down are long gone....

 
 
 
charger 383
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3  charger 383    2 months ago

Unions make the individual worker strong

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.1  Sparty On  replied to  charger 383 @3    one month ago

Unions tend to protect the bad workers and unacceptable.

Need proof?    I give you Derek Chauvin.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4  Ronin2    one month ago

My only question is if they will make enough in added salary and benefits to cover their Union dues? 

I worked as a shipping/receiving clerk at a Union shop. The only thing that kept the Union afloat was all of the long time workers that were heavily invested in the pension fund; and were all at the high end of the hourly pay scale. They couldn't keep a new worker there long enough to make it to certification; because they quickly found out with the graduated pay scale the Union had agreed to (which favored long time workers heavily)- new workers were losing money every month paying the dues. The company had to go to a temp agency to get new workers to come in; and they never lasted long- not too many people want to work with chemicals at a company that produces driveway patches and sealers, road patch, and primers/sealers for floors and walls. The smell alone was enough to drive most out; that is if they could maintain the piece count that was required running the production line and labeling machines. 

The Star Buck workers in Buffalo may think they have won a great victory- until they find out the costs of being a Union member.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1  Sparty On  replied to  Ronin2 @4    one month ago
The Star Buck workers in Buffalo may think they have won a great victory- until they find out the costs of being a Union member.

Lol yep, and their union rep rolls up in a gold Cadillac and a Mr T starter kit around their neck.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5  Kavika     one month ago

I always enjoyed my union membership in the ILWU, with excellent wages and benefits. 

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Nowhere Man
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5.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  Kavika @5    one month ago

Well I back in the day I worked for employers taking government money from a government contracted employer with a union shop, and as a result had to pay  me prevailing wages, which was nice while they lasted (about three times as much as regular non-governmental work) but that didn't happen often... AND, all it did was to reveal how "Elite" the unions had become... Of course no one I worked with knew anyone in a union to get the required sponsorship into the union... You had to know someone in the union to become a union member... They were special...

Closed house in every sense of the word and all that stuff...

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Nowhere Man @5.1    one month ago

Some unions require that you know someone other do not. If that is what you consider ''elite'' then I guess that you'd call us ''elite''. That elite status allowed us to have a stable financial environment for our families and it is keeping the jobs American. 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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5.1.2  Nowhere Man  replied to  Kavika @5.1.1    one month ago

I wasn't using the word "elite" in it's usual sense of "The Best", and I think you know how I was using it my friend... (in it's political sense)

I'm happy it provided well for your family, what is a real shame, is the tens of millions of workers who were shut out of that economic security by unions...

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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5.1.3  Jack_TX  replied to  Kavika @5.1.1    one month ago
and it is keeping the jobs American. 

I don't think so.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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5.1.4  Nowhere Man  replied to  Jack_TX @5.1.3    one month ago
I don't think so.

Absolutely correct, Union pension requirements destroyed the US steel industry and almost destroyed the US auto industry until the Government bailed them out by taking their pension obligations off their hands..

US Steel at one time was one of the largest companies in the world, it now doesn't exist due to unions..

Yeah, there is a government agency to handle union pensions when the cost has driven the company bankrupt...

The Employee Benefits Security Administration of the Department of Labor and

The Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation

And the latest version of Pension Rescue ... (passed last July)

Read it and you like how they claim that rescuing the pensions of 1 million union workers is rescuing ALL workers?

I always thought it interesting that the democrat party only recognizes the union worker as the only workers worth saving or helping in this nation... I guess it reveals the position that if your not in a union your not a worker... in reality it represents that if your not in a union your not a locked in democrat supporter....

That relationship has always been interesting to me... But watch what happens to their wonderful unions if the progressive's or socialists get full power... History teaches us that unions are made illegal when that happens...

Once a socialist system takes over and consolidates power, those that put them in power are done away with for those who keep them in power... Unions are socialist pre-power organizations... ie Marx's useful idiots...

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.5  Kavika   replied to  Nowhere Man @5.1.4    one month ago
I don't think so.

Why would say that it isn't saving ILWU jobs?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.6  Kavika   replied to  Nowhere Man @5.1.2    one month ago
wasn't using the word "elite" in it's usual sense of "The Best", and I think you know how I was using it my friend... (in it's political sense)

I use the word in its usual sense, so there is that. 

I'm happy it provided well for your family, what is a real shame, is the tens of millions of workers who were shut out of that economic security by unions...

The unions didn't shut them out, there are free to join a union or start a union. If anything it was the corporations that did their best to shut down the unions.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Kavika @5.1.6    one month ago
The unions didn't shut them out, there are free to join a union or start a union.

Shame that freedom didn't include a choice when it came to joining a union vs. not joining but still working at the same place.

You know, workers' choice.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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5.1.8  Nowhere Man  replied to  Kavika @5.1.5    one month ago
Why would say that it isn't saving ILWU jobs?

I don't know Kav, I didn't dig into it too much, I can if you want... see what details I can find..

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.9  Kavika   replied to  Nowhere Man @5.1.8    one month ago

Sorry, my comment was meant for Jack who made the comment I was referring to. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.10  Kavika   replied to  Jack_TX @5.1.3    one month ago
I don't think so.

Why do you think it's not protecting ILWU jobs?

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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5.1.11  Nowhere Man  replied to  Kavika @5.1.9    one month ago

Thanks Kav, saved me a lot of searching and reading... {chuckle}

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.12  Kavika   replied to  Nowhere Man @5.1.11    one month ago

BTW, your analogy of USS and ILWU, if that is what your comparing isn't valid. Two very different models.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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5.1.13  Nowhere Man  replied to  Kavika @5.1.12    one month ago

I didn't make an analogy using either of them, where did you get that? I never mentioned the International Longshore Workers Union, please point out where I did...

And yes I know they are two entirely different industries... So any comparison as far as most employment issue wouldn't be valid...

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.14  Kavika   replied to  Nowhere Man @5.1.13    one month ago

5.1.4 your response to Jack and his comment of ''I don't think so''....

The difference goes far beyond the two different industries.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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5.1.15  Nowhere Man  replied to  Kavika @5.1.14    one month ago

I still don't see where I mentioned the ILWU? Does anyone else see where I mentioned the ILWU?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.16  Kavika   replied to  Nowhere Man @5.1.15    one month ago

Then what were you comparing? Jack responded to me that ''I don't think so'' when I said American jobs were being protected. You then posted to Jack on USS and the car industry and how the unions destroyed them. 

If you weren't saying what it sound like so be it.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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5.1.17  Nowhere Man  replied to  Kavika @5.1.16    one month ago

Sorry my friend, the ILWU never entered my mind when I wrote that, the ILWU never had the pension underfunding problem the two I mentioned did cause the business model is completely different... the ILWU is a service union they perform a service to the ports and shippers and manufacture nothing... Comparing them would be comparing grapes to watermelons...

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.18  Kavika   replied to  Nowhere Man @5.1.17    one month ago

Actually, the ILWU aren't employees of the ports/shippers/container lines, we are employees of the union. 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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5.1.19  Nowhere Man  replied to  Kavika @5.1.18    one month ago

Yeah Kav, I know ... It's still grapes to watermelons...

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
5.1.20  Sparty On  replied to  Kavika @5.1.18    one month ago

Curious, so the ILWU union employees you, bills the clients you work for and pays you directly for your hours worked?

The ILWU does that directly?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.21  Kavika   replied to  Sparty On @5.1.20    one month ago

The ILWU in conjunction with the Pacific Maritime Assn (PMA) does.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
5.1.22  Sparty On  replied to  Kavika @5.1.21    one month ago

So your paychecks came from companies signatory to ILWU labor.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.23  Kavika   replied to  Sparty On @5.1.22    one month ago
So your paychecks came from companies signatory to ILWU labor.

Yes, that is correct. If you want your ships worked you are a signatory to the agreement. The ILWU controls every West Coast port from Dutch Harbor Alaska to San Diego, CA.

If you want a history of the ILWU reading anything about Harry Bridges would be informative. He was a visionary and the leading force in the ILWU. An Aussie btw.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
5.1.24  Sparty On  replied to  Kavika @5.1.23    one month ago

I understand how it works.   I've worked several trade unions in my career.

My point was, you are a member of ILWU but an employee to the signatory companies that hire you.

A common characterization of such relationships.   You were not an employee of the ILWU unless you were union management and/or support.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.25  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @5.1.1    one month ago

The UMWA only you required to show up for work when you got hired. lol

My dad was a union safety rep. I think he got elected after nearly severing his thumb in the mines

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
5.1.26  Sparty On  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.25    one month ago

Lol .... reminds me of a gun safety officer in our local PD.  

He shot part of a finger off playing Wyatt Earp in their squad bay.

Yippee ki yay!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.27  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.26    one month ago

That was sooo not what I was getting at. My dad was involved in an accident with a long wall. The guy that was his buddy that day didn't do something right and my dad's thumb was smashed and nearly cut off. Since Dad was all about safety, he kept calm while his buddy lost his damned mind. The hospital was able to save his thumb but he was in the hospital for a long time

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
5.1.28  Sparty On  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.27    one month ago
That was sooo not what I was getting at.

I didn't intend to infer it was, just that it reminded me of the occurrence i mentioned

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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5.1.29  Jack_TX  replied to  Kavika @5.1.10    one month ago
Why do you think it's not protecting ILWU jobs?

My response specifically was to the idea that it was keeping the jobs American.  Most of the unions with any remaining significance represent workers with jobs that can't be outsourced overseas anyway. 

In the case of longshoremen, it's not like you can have the ships unloaded in India for cheaper.  The same thing is true for electricians, plumbers, truck drivers, and vast numbers of blue-collar jobs that must be done on-site.  

However unions in general have been a primary driver in the trend of pushing manufacturing jobs overseas.  Economic realities have changed much faster than Unions were willing to, and their anachronistic ideology has become their own undoing.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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6  Nowhere Man    one month ago
"Workers doing essential work have higher expectations that they're going to see wages and benefits reflect the essential nature of their work,"

STARBUCKS? Essential work? most starbucks employees (around 70% in some studies) are employed someplace else within 6 months... Baristas are an employment entry level position and is highly transitory... Much the same as burger flippers, and how is that union organizing going on in McDonalds and Burger King? jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6.1  Sparty On  replied to  Nowhere Man @6    one month ago

Lol .... it's a strange, strange world we live in these days when people consider Starbucks employees as essential ....  no doubt about that

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7  Sparty On    one month ago

In a perfect world jobs would be 50% Union and 50% Non-union.   Each holding the other in check

Too much the union way and employees tend to take advantage of the employers/customers and too much the non-uion way and the employers/customers tend to take advantage of the employees.

Nothing better than a good and fair union.   Nothing worse than a bad, greedy union.   Same goes for employers

 
 
 
MonsterMash
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8  MonsterMash    one month ago

I guess I'm not an American patriot, I hate the taste of coffee and beer.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
8.1  Sparty On  replied to  MonsterMash @8    one month ago

Yeah, you're a commie ....

 
 
 
Ronin2
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8.2  Ronin2  replied to  MonsterMash @8    one month ago

Thankfully I am not the only one then.

 
 

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