Despite What You’ve Heard, Red States Handled COVID Much, Much Better Than Blue States

  

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Via:  xxjefferson51  •  one month ago  •  73 comments

By:   I&I Editorial Board

Despite What You’ve Heard, Red States Handled COVID Much, Much Better Than Blue States
One of the genius elements of the U.S. Constitution was its allowance for competing models of success and failure. It did so by giving states great autonomy under the law while limiting what the federal government can do. In the wake of a massive pandemic and a growing political divide among Americans, we’re seeing that concept work its magic.

This is no surprise to me.  The debates since initial reopening began in May 2020 have raged but not its a settled issue.  Red States did better.  Lots better.  There was no greater mistake made in response to the China virus than the lockdowns.  


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One of the genius elements of the U.S. Constitution was its allowance for competing models of success and failure. It did so by giving states great autonomy under the law while limiting what the federal government can do. In the wake of a massive pandemic and a growing political divide among Americans, we’re seeing that concept work its magic.

Two new reports that look at how the blue and red states and cities have performed during the COVID pandemic show it’s no contest. Those that hewed to the Red State model of lower taxes, less regulation, and respect for the rule of law thrived – while those that followed the “woke” blue-state model, built on socialist top-down control, forced equality, and divisive racial identity politics, suffered.

One of the new studies , by Phil Kerpen of The Committee to Unleash Prosperity, Casey Mulligan of the University of Chicago, and Stephen Moore of the Heritage Foundation, and published as a working paper by the National Bureau of Economic Research, ranked states by how they performed in three major areas during the pandemic: economics, education, and mortality.

That study, for good reason, has garnered much attention. It shows that red states, in general, beat blue states hands down during the pandemic, largely due to the latter’s dedication to damaging COVID lockdowns.

“Shutting down their economies and schools was by far the biggest mistake governors and state officials made during COVID, particularly in blue states,” said Moore, a co-founder of the Committee To Unleash Prosperity .

New Jersey was the worst-performing state, while neighboring blue-state giant New York was next, ranked 49th. Also flunking out were California, Illinois, and Washington, D.C.

“They had high age-adjusted death rates, they had high unemployment and significant GDP losses, and they kept their schools shut down much longer than almost all other states,” according to the study.

So who did best? Utah, Nebraska, Vermont, Montana, South Dakota – and Florida.

Meanwhile, a second study from the U.S. Census Bureau showed that there has been massive population movement away from large blue-state cities toward red-state cities. 

From July 2020 to July 2021, five major blue-state metropolitan areas hemorrhaged population to red states, as the Census table below shows. Note that the greater New York area was worst, but deep-blue California has three of the top five and actually lost more than New York, overall.

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The Census numbers are further confirmed by an annual report from North American Van Lines that rounds out the picture of a demographic tidal wave from blue to red states. It found that the leading outbound states for major moves were Illinois, California, New Jersey, Michigan, and New York.

Where did everyone go? The top states for inbound migration last year were South Carolina, Idaho, Tennessee, North Carolina, and Florida. From blue to red.

“States with a lower cost of living and lower taxes continued to pull Americans from more expensive states in 2021,” the North American Van Lines report said. “With a major shift toward remote work for several occupations, along with continually rising housing costs, people are rapidly moving from the coasts and Midwest to the South and Southwest.”

“The pattern here is clear,” observes the Foundation for Economic Education , regarding the startling demographic shift. “Americans are fleeing highly regulated, highly taxed states. They are flocking to freer states.”

These changes could have long-lasting economic and political impacts. Blue states are likely to get bluer, but also less populous. Red states are likely to get redder, but more populous. The demographic, economic, and political balance between the red and blue is tipping, and fast.






Will the blue states act to stem the human tide?

Perhaps not. California, for instance, wants to slash the workweek for those employed at large companies to 32 hours a week. Assuming many if not most of those are now working 40 hours a week, that’s a possible 20% plunge in productivity.

So expect a new wave of major corporate departures from the no-longer-Golden State that will further wreck its already struggling economy .

As for New York, its leaders seem to think crime-ridden streets and more government spending will do the trick. Sorry, but New York’s losing its wealthiest citizens after years of misrule.

Far-left Democrats have an iron lock on government in Albany, so tax cuts and a crackdown on crime seems highly unlikely. In the meantime, one key group is leaving the state and city of New York in droves: Millionaires.

“New York’s share of the nation’s total millionaire earner population dropped to 9.9%, down from 12.7% as of 2010, the year after the state enacted a supposedly temporary and ultimately permanent higher rate on millionaire earners,” noted E.J. McMahon of the Empire Center for Public Policy think tank.

Good riddance you say? Millionaires pay 40% of taxes in New York. So losing so many to Florida, Texas and other red states is a disaster. All New York will suffer.

Truth is, America is being re-made, moving van by moving van, family by family, as the states’ demographic profiles and political leanings undergo dramatic shifts. It all points to a possible shift in political power toward conservative-leaning red states and away from once-dominant blue states. But how big that shift is remains to be seen.

As we’ve said before , the red-state model works. It has proved itself in good times and bad. Americans, you do have a choice: Red pill, or blue pill. Which is it going to be?

— Written by the  I&I Editorial Board


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    one month ago
As for New York, its leaders seem to think crime-ridden streets and more government spending will do the trick. Sorry, but New York’s losing its wealthiest citizens after years of misrule.

Far-left Democrats have an iron lock on government in Albany, so tax cuts and a crackdown on crime seems highly unlikely. In the meantime, one key group is leaving the state and city of New York in droves: Millionaires.

“New York’s share of the nation’s total millionaire earner population dropped to 9.9%, down from 12.7% as of 2010, the year after the state enacted a supposedly temporary and ultimately permanent higher rate on millionaire earners,” noted E.J. McMahon of the Empire Center for Public Policy think tank

Good riddance you say?
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    one month ago
Millionaires pay 40% of taxes in New York.

So losing so many to Florida, Texas and other red states is a disaster. All New York will suffer.

Truth is, America is being re-made, moving van by moving van, family by family, as the states’ demographic profiles and political leanings undergo dramatic shifts.
 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    one month ago

What is this - Insights and Issues?

Where is the support for these 'studies'?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    one month ago
What is this - Insights and Issues?

But hey, they are telling them only what they want to hear.

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Overall, we rate Issues & Insights Right Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that favor a libertarian/conservative perspective. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to the occasional reliance on poor sources as well as two failed fact checks.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.1    one month ago

When you can't refute the information, go at the source.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.1    one month ago

They are the editorial board that was once part of Investors Business Daily.  When they quit carrying an editorial board the board went out on their own. They are awesome!  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2.2    one month ago
When you can't refute the information, go at the source.

I assume that you have never, ever, said anything bad about MSNBC or CNN?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.5  Ozzwald  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.3    one month ago
They are awesome!

Awesomely biased and loose with the truth...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2.6  Greg Jones  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.5    one month ago

How about more truth?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.5    one month ago

They are hardly the only sources that published the results of these studies.  Now we know though which side to listen to on these kind of issues and which to openly mock and laugh at when they try to control us

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.6    one month ago

I saw that awesome article last night!  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    one month ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.2.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.4    one month ago
I assume that you have never, ever, said anything bad about MSNBC or CNN?

Oh I have.  I've also, unlike what you just did, shown what misinformation MSNBC and CNN are pushing.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.11  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2.2    one month ago

It's a very questionable source.  The only kind some folks use.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.6    one month ago

The daily mail is essentially a tabloid.  Another trusted right wing source.

LOL!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.2.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.11    one month ago

Then lets see what you are using to refute the article?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.14  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.6    one month ago
How about more truth?

The Daily Mail???  jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.15  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2.10    one month ago

Misinformation is all those two ever do produce….

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.16  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.11    one month ago

If it’s questionable according to we all know who, that “questionable” rating from them is a badge on honor to proudly and defiantly be worn with pride.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.17  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.15    one month ago

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XXJefferson51
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1.2.18  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    one month ago

And then we have the biDen covid stimulus after the economy was already back to pre pandemic levels in most red states. That so called stimulus was a payoff slush fund to blue states to reward them for locking down so long and is the trigger for our current inflation issues.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.19  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.18    one month ago

All not true.  All nonsense.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.20  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.19    one month ago

It is all true.  Every last word of it!  It was all common sense.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2  Tessylo    one month ago

despite-what-youve-heard-red-states-handled-covid-much-much-better-than-blue-states

That's not true.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2    one month ago

Actually, it is.  There’s a virtual correlation of the longer and harsher the lockdowns and mandates the larger the body bag count. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    one month ago

No, there isn't.  That's not true at all.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3  Vic Eldred    one month ago

It's official

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    one month ago

It's not true.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    one month ago

Not like you can or will to prove your statement.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.1    one month ago

The proof is in the research and the people’s actions.  It wasn’t like the people were fleeing the ravages of unprotected death and sickness in uncaring red states for the “protections” of being controlled and locked down.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    one month ago

"It's not true." 

Yes it is.  Read and be educated.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.3    one month ago

It’s the ammo we will need when the powers that be unleash the next variant upon us in a vain attempt to try to regain economic and personal control of us.  If they try to lock us down again, we will openly rebel and mockingly defy them.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.2    one month ago

That's the problem.  There are those here on NT that refuse to read the research or even take a look around themselves.  It's almost like if they do learn something new that their world would implode. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.2    one month ago

You haven't proven anything.  Where are all the citations and support for these 'studies'?

There isn't any.

Like Hallux said below - this is a 'working paper' and has not been peer reviewed.

So these 'studies' are absolutely meaningless.

Like the prior one posted allegedly from Johns Hopkins.  Meaningless nonsense.

Official nonsense.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.5    one month ago

It’s not like the research was not heavily reported.  They simply try to discredit those that report it and hate on those who did the research leading to uncomfortable results regarding their dogma.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.7    one month ago

"It’s not like the research was not heavily reported.  They simply try to discredit those that report it and hate on those who did the research leading to uncomfortable results regarding their dogma."

Heavily reported where?

Without peer review, these 'studies' are absolutely meaningless.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.7    one month ago
They simply try to discredit those that report it and hate on those who did the research leading to uncomfortable results regarding their dogma.

Keeping their dogma alive is all that matters to them.  Many don't even try to discredit the research or information.  Their "claims" that is wrong is solely baseless and more than likely can't produce anything to back up those baseless claims.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.9    one month ago

Exactly!   They have politicized the virus and turned it into a tool to try to wield power over and control other people.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    one month ago
It's official

Wow!  You must have a very very interesting definition of the word "official".

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ozzwald @3.2    one month ago

Have you seen the dramatic loss of population Nuly 2920-July 1, 2021 in NYC, LA, SF?  Those that wanted to get away and could do so did so. Unlike NY, not all of California biggest city losses left the state.  Some left for more red areas within as Ca’s red counties grew population and some who could work from home while having an LA or SF job moved to Redding where there were no lockdowns or mandates compared to most of the state and schools quickly reopened.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.1    one month ago

What does any of that blather have to do with Vic's definition of "official"?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ozzwald @3.2.2    one month ago

Simply emphasized both what he said and and what the article and other sources have said on the matter.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.2.4  Ozzwald  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.3    one month ago
Simply emphasized both what he said and and what the article and other sources have said on the matter.

So it has absolutely nothing to do with what I was commenting about.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ozzwald @3.2.4    one month ago

The stats backup what was being said and those studies make it official.  Red did better than blue. Period!  

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.3  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    one month ago
It's official

It's a working paper which means it has not been peer reviewed. Until then:

512

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Hallux @3.3    one month ago

I would never expect that the bicoastal elitists of the university class would accept this research no matter how correct it actually is.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4  Greg Jones    one month ago

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Greg Jones @4    one month ago

Exactly!  From the above

the findings are damning for states that imposed harsh lockdowns, which appear to have had little health benefit.   

'The correlation between health and economy scores is essentially zero,' say the authors, 'which suggests that states that withdrew the most from economic activity did not significantly improve health by doing so.' 

Here, DailyMail.com looks at the reasons why the Beehive State fared so much better than the Garden State... 

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What Utah did right: Fewer restrictions did not result in more deaths

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1    one month ago

Here are the facts. This is a listing of states' deaths from covid. 

Please note that the first 5 are red states

What Utah did right was to be less populated. Population density is what spreads a disease.

 
 
 
Ender
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4.1.2  Ender  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.1    one month ago

Funny isn't it. The states listed in his pic show the states that scored best have the lower populations.

Also isn't daily mail a British tabloid?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ender @4.1.2    one month ago
Also isn't daily mail a British tabloid?

It is indeedy. Read The Guardian if you want decent news.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.3    one month ago

The Guardian?  I think not. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.4    one month ago

Other than The Sunday Times or the Times of London. You seem to forget lived there. The Guardian is a tabloid, but it wasn't always. At least it doesn't have a page 6 girl.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.1    one month ago

And none of the states over New Jersey 375 per or New York’s 350 per would consider the educational and psychological cost on their kids or the loss of freedom, liberty, rights, or the unemployment economic losses policies like New York or New Jersey cost them to get “down” to those numbers. I know that according to the current governing class and the bi coastal elites it is sacrilege to even mention the economy or even the bill of rights in connection with the China virus as is the use of that term for it. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ender @4.1.2    one month ago

It was not the only source that covered this and not the one that was originally seeded.  Just about all conservative media reported this.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.5    one month ago

But it does have as big a political bias as the Daily Mail does.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @4.1.2    one month ago
"Also isn't daily mail a British tabloid?"

Yes it is and these 'studies' are meaningless like the prior Johns Hopkins affiliated one. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.6    one month ago

No one lost any freedom, liberty or rights and you cannot tell anyone otherwise!!!!!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.1.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.6    one month ago

Nothing you said there, is a statistical fact like I presented. It is just your opinion, which you are entitled to, but still has nothing to do with masks.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.1.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.8    one month ago

All papers have a political bias, including the Daily Mail.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.11    one month ago

Different states in our federalist system with the states being the laboratory of democracy did things in different ways to deal with the pandemic and all its effects.  I agree with the earlier JHU research and now this that overall everything considered and taken into account that red states and defiant red counties in large blue states had the better results.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.14  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.12    one month ago

No one denies that. That’s what their editorial and op Ed pages are for….to express such outlooks on key issues.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.15  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.10    one month ago

Actually lots of people did lose individual rights, economic freedom, and religious liberty due to the China virus and the way people responded to it.  We had to use the courts to recover all three at different times and places from a variety of blue mayors, governors, and a President who let their love of their new found powers go to their heads.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.16  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.9    one month ago

Are they meaningless.  I say that they are not!  They assure that there will never again be widespread compliance with any blue government dictates regarding this virus at any level and that their abuse of emergency powers this time greatly weakened to strength of government credibility for the next one.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.17  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.9    one month ago

The studies mean a lot. They show the truth that the red states all around and overall did much better than blue ones. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @4    one month ago

It's based on the same garbage as XX's 'studies' aka garbage.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5  Perrie Halpern R.A.    one month ago
As for New York, its leaders seem to think crime-ridden streets and more government spending will do the trick. Sorry, but New York’s losing its wealthiest citizens after years of misrule.

That's odd, considering who is here:

btw, you might want to take note that many of them are Republicans, perhaps more than half.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5    one month ago

No one said that there weren’t any rich left there or what their party was.  Just that they were among those fleeing the state and their outsized impact on city and state tax revenues.  Per capita San Francisco lost more.  Both our states lost a congressional seat and an electoral vote.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1    one month ago

Being that you are not a Nyer, you don't know that our seniors have always left for warmer weather and that we are always getting newcomers. We are virtually at a net-zero with those who leave and those who stay. Our wealthy are not leaving because they can afford multiple homes and can winter anywhere, as well as summer in the Hamptons.

I don't speak for California, since I am not from there.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.1    one month ago
you don't know that our seniors have always left for warmer weather

That's probably the explanation for the Black Reverse Migration underway as well. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.1    one month ago

Sean Hannity lives there and describes the situation there almost daily and always mentions that only his employer contract keeps him living there and that with out it he’d be joining the exodus to Florida or Texas in a NY minute.  He’s constantly as a born and raised and now current NYer urging all who can to get the heck out and enjoy the better climate and lower taxes of just about anywhere else.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.1    one month ago
I don't speak for California, since I am not from there.

I am and because of it I speak out against it and it’s evil state government high tax and regulatory regime and against the dens of iniquity that are our coastal urban areas.  I do not speak out against the parts trying to create our own separate state or to transfer our boundaries so that we along with some Oregon counties would be in Idaho instead.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.2    one month ago

Republicans elimination of Jim Crow laws and other traditional democrat racism in the south has made the south appealing for African Americans to move to or in some cases return to, reversing an out migration caused by southern democrats. 

 
 

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