Former Pentagon chief Esper says Trump wanted to shoot protesters

  

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Via:  john-russell  •  3 weeks ago  •  21 comments

By:   Mike Allen (Axios)

Former Pentagon chief Esper says Trump wanted to shoot protesters
Can't you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?

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Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper charges in a memoir out May 10 that former President Trump said when demonstrators were filling the streets around the White House following the death of George Floyd: "Can't you just shoot them?Just shoot them in the legs or something?"

Why it matters: The book, "A Sacred Oath," contains vivid, first-person revelations by a top Cabinet member, bolstering outsiders' accounts of extreme dysfunction in Trump's White House.

Esper, who had earlier been Secretary of the Army, was fired by Trump after the 2020 election.

That moment in the first week of June, 2020, "was surreal, sitting in front of the Resolute desk, inside the Oval Office, with this idea weighing heavily in the air, and the president red faced and complaining loudly about the protests under way in Washington, D.C.," Esper writes.

"The good news — this wasn't a difficult decision," Esper continues. "The bad news — I had to figure out a way to walk Trump back without creating the mess I was trying to avoid."

Behind the curtain: The book was vetted at the highest levels of the Pentagon. I'm told that as part of the clearance process, the book was reviewed in whole or in part by nearly three dozen 4-star generals, senior civilians, and some Cabinet members.

Some of them had witnessed what Esper witnessed.

During the book's security review, Esper sued the Pentagon over a classification dispute.

Context: Esper enraged Trump by publicly stating in June 2020 that he opposed invoking the Insurrection Act — an 1807 law that permits the president to use active-duty troops on U.S. soil — in order to quell protests against racial injustice.

Michael Bender — then with The Wall Street Journal, now with the N.Y. Times — reported last year in his book, "Frankly, We Did Win This Election," that Trump repeatedly called for law enforcement to shoot protesters during heated meetings inside the Oval Office.

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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

Esper should have said something at the time, not waited two years to tell the truth. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago
not waited two years to tell the truth.

That's seems to be the norm, save the best parts for your tell-all book.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago

He could have saved Lt. Michael Byrd the trouble.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago

The truth is that he didn't say a word about shooting anyone. Got a link to the audiotape?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3    3 weeks ago

The US Secretary of Defense at the time, someone who was chosen for the position by Trump, says he did. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.3.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3    3 weeks ago
The truth is that he didn't say a word about shooting anyone. Got a link to the audiotape?

This time they really have Trump.  Expect impeachment proceedings any day now.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.3.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.1    3 weeks ago
The US Secretary of Defense at the time, someone who was chosen for the position by Trump, says he did. 

In a book that probably wouldn't sell 100 copies if he didn't claim Trump did or said outrageous things.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.3.3    3 weeks ago

Is that supposed to be an argument for your side? By the way, someone truly "right down the center" would wonder why a president of the United States would say such a thing about American citizens. It is extremely unlikely that Mark Esper is lying. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.3.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.4    3 weeks ago
Is that supposed to be an argument for your side? By the way, someone truly "right down the center" would wonder why a president of the United States would say such a thing about American citizens. It is extremely unlikely that Mark Esper is lying. 

Is it your conjecture that having that in the book will not increase sales of the book so people can see what else he may have said to trash Trump?

I would wonder about why a president would say it if I was sure he said it and the context in which it was said.  A dose of skepticism is not a bad thing, especially when there may very well be an ulterior motive for saying it.....money

Why is it unlikely Esper is lying or stretching the truth in order to sell books?  You are not familiar with people doing that?  You have any other proof that he is not lying or stretching the truth or is a desire to believe anything said about Trump that is negative all you have?

BTW your obsession on my screen name is getting a little creepy.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.3.6  cjcold  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.3.5    3 weeks ago
BTW your obsession on my screen name is getting a little creepy.

What is creepy is that a far-right winger would choose such a screen name.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.3.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.1    3 weeks ago
The US Secretary of Defense at the time, someone who was chosen for the position by Trump, says he did. 

So it's the result of a game of Telephone.  

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.3.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  cjcold @1.3.6    3 weeks ago

You jumping on the creepy bandwagon because you can't actually respond coherently to the post?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago
Esper should have said something at the time, not waited two years to tell the truth.

He just thought it up.  And naturally, there is nothing to back up such a [deleted claim.]

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.4.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.4    3 weeks ago

His ghost writer may have told him book sales would number in the tens if he didn't sling some mud for the less intelligent readers.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.4.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.4    3 weeks ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.4.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.4.1    3 weeks ago

Good point.

 
 
 
squiggy
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1.5  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago

”Esper should have said something at the time, not waited two years to tell the truth.”

Because it was a question in jest and not a serious order - and another kiss and make-up-shit-tell-all book is on the rack.

 
 
 
zuksam
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2  zuksam    3 weeks ago

People throwing batteries and frozen bottles of water at police aren't protesters they're rioters using deadly weapons and are guilty of attempted murder.

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1  JBB  replied to  zuksam @2    3 weeks ago

Okay, by your standard Capital Police should have shot a few thousand instead of just The Martyred Saint of Trump's Insurrection Ashley Babbitt...

 
 
 
zuksam
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2.1.1  zuksam  replied to  JBB @2.1    3 weeks ago

They should have made their stand at the front doors, you may have noticed it only took Ashley Babbitt's death to prevent anyone else from trying to enter that door so one or two at the front door and nobody would have breeched the capitol building at all. As for any others outside the building who were assaulting officers the officers should have abided by normal procedures for the use of deadly force. It would hardly be thousands but I did see a guy or two on the lawn I'd of put a slug in. The best part about shooting a violent aggressor is it instantly changes the mindset of the crowd from "lets kick ass" to "lets not get shot".

 
 
 
squiggy
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2.1.2  squiggy  replied to  JBB @2.1    3 weeks ago

You’ve conflated may and should.

 
 

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