Supreme Murder Plot and the reckless rhetoric

  

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By:  vic-eldred  •  3 weeks ago  •  48 comments

Supreme Murder Plot and the reckless rhetoric
“They’re taking away fundamental rights. I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind! And you will pay the price! You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.”

"The man arrested for allegedly threatening to kill Supreme Court Justice  Brett Kavanaugh  has been identified as 26-year-old  Nicholas John Roske  of Simi Valley, California, Fox News  reported  on Wednesday.

Roske was  arrested  around 1:50 am on a street near the Kavanaugh home after he called 911 and made violent threats against the justice, reportedly furious over recent mass shootings and a  leaked draft opinion  that would overturn  Roe v. Wade ."

https://www.mediaite.com/news/man-who-allegedly-planned-to-kill-supreme-court-justice-brett-kavanaugh-identified-as-26-year-old-californian-nicholas-john-roske/

As if Justice Kavanaugh hadn't been put through enough during his confirmation, his address has been released, his home illegally besieged by protestors and now a plot to kill him.

Now it is time to consider the actions of the radical left and it's current government. They are the ones who have ratcheted up all of this to the point of violence once again. This time it is aimed at Supreme Court Justices. It began even before a POS at the Court leaked a written opinion involving "Roe." Nobody is looking for the perpetrator. The mobs outside of the homes of Justices are there illegally. The sham AG Merrick Garland hasn't doe a thing about it. Before all of that happened we had Sen Chuck Schumer threatening Justices by name:



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"This is where we are… if these reports are correct, an assassination attempt against a sitting justice, or something close to it," McConnell  said on the Senate floor.  

"This is exactly the kind of event that many worried the unhinged, reckless apocalyptic from prominent figures toward the court, going back many months, and especially in recent weeks, could make more likely," McConnell added. 

McConnell attacked House Democrats for not passing legislation to increase security for justices, which the Senate passed unanimously amid protests at justices' homes last month. Those protests followed the leak of a draft opinion, published by Politico that indicated the Supreme Court is likely to overturn Roe v. Wade."



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-senate-kavanaugh-man-arrested-weapon


For all those who believe in the rule of law, we can't allow people to threaten justices. We owe it to them to keep them safe. Unfortunately this was bound to happen with all this super heated rhetoric coming from the left and this bogus left wing regime which is ruling this country.




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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

Maybe next year Republicans can start a committee investigation of the plot to kill Kavanaugh. They can subpoena everyone in Chuck Schumer's life, go through every e-mail and meeting he had. See how many democrats they can tarnish or smear. Call it fighting fire with fire!

BTW, if anyone refuses to appear, have Obama's FBI put him/her in leg irons and lock 'em up!

 
 
 
gooseisback
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1.1  gooseisback  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago
subpoena everyone in Chuck Schumer's life

Make sure we check out everything he's ever said in high school.   

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.2  Snuffy  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago

No, I personally would not support that action.  The last thing we need in this country is for the Republicans to take the House (and very probably the Senate) and start off on a vendetta where they attack the Democrats in this manner.  There are too many big issues that need to be handled, they cannot waste their time on vengeance hearings.

 
 
 
Ender
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2  Ender    3 weeks ago

So the guy called the police on himself. Not a very effective plan.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

It is reminiscent of when Trump wondered out loud at a rally if someone wouldnt beat the hell out of people who were interrupting him, and then lo and behold, a short while later, a protester was punched in the head by a MAGA. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.1  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @3    3 weeks ago

Proof and link please.

Yeah, I know I won't get them, but at least I'm asking politely.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1    3 weeks ago

you dont remember 2016? 

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.2  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

Selective amnesia.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.1.3  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

I have a great memory of 2016 - I just had my 1st birthday after my cardiac arrest and short death.

But - Link and proof please - second polite request.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.1.4  Jack_TX  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1    3 weeks ago
Proof and link please. Yeah, I know I won't get them, but at least I'm asking politely.

Oh it happened.  Somewhere in North Carolina, I think. 

Asshole started disrupting a rally and got his clock cleaned.  Not sure what he expected.  

Just another example of how the batshit left think they should be able to do anything without ever enduring the consequences.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.5  devangelical  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.3    3 weeks ago
I have a great memory of 2016 - I just had my 1st birthday after my cardiac arrest and short death.

I remember you mentioning that before. for how long did you say the flow of oxygenated blood to your brain had been stopped?

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.6  Ender  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.3    3 weeks ago
At a campaign rally in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Trump told the crowd that his security team informed him there may be somebody throwing tomatoes. “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Just knock the hell out of them. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. There won’t be so much of them because the courts agree with us,” he said.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.3    3 weeks ago

You can look it up online. I dont give links to things that are common knowledge. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.1.8  1stwarrior  replied to  devangelical @3.1.5    3 weeks ago

"They" said somewhere between 4.22 minutes and 6.01 minutes.

That was from the staff - Doc never said.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.1.9  1stwarrior  replied to  Jack_TX @3.1.4    3 weeks ago

Wow - no Jack/John - did not see that one - but will research.

Stupid shyte.

BTW - turns out it was at the March 2016 Louisville, Kentucky rally and three persons "claim" Trump's rally gave them permission to harm others who opposed Trump.

In fact, SINCE IT ISN'T COMMON KNOWLEDGE, look at this timeline - and these are only from 2016.

Alleged assination attempt

During a rally for Trump in   Las Vegas, Nevada , on June 18, 2016, British national Michael Steven Sandford was arrested after allegedly attempting to take a police officer’s firearm with the intention of assassinating Trump. He was charged with an act of violence on restricted grounds on June 20, 2016.

San Jose, California

Outside of a Trump rally in   San Jose, California , on June 2, 2016, "A dozen or more people were punched, at least one person was pelted with an egg and Trump hats grabbed from supporters were set on fire on the ground," according to the Associated Press. [4]   Police officers did not initially intervene because they “were under orders to not break ranks,”   BuzzFeed   reported. [5]

Albuquerque, New Mexico

Approximately 1,000 protesters assembled outside of the Albuquerque Convention Center, where Trump was holding a rally on May 24, 2016. In the evening, some protesters charged past a metal barricade. Police in riot gear were called in to prevent them from gaining access to the venue. According to   The Washington Post , they threw "burning T-shirts, rocks and bottles toward the police and police horses trying to contain them." [6] [7]

Julia Ioffe

Journalist Julia Ioffe said on April 28, 2016, that she received anti-Semitic messages and death threats, including a call from a funeral casket seller, after writing a profile of   Melania Trump   for   GQ Magazine . Ioffe continued, “It’s unsettling. I started the day off having a sense of humor about it but by the end of the day, after a few phone calls like this, with people playing Hitler speeches, and the imagery, and people telling me my face would look good on a lampshade, it’s hard to laugh.” [8]

On May 4, 2016,   CNN 's   Wolf Blitzer   asked Trump about his supporters who had threatened Ioffe. Trump said, "I don’t have a message to the fans. A woman wrote an article that’s inaccurate.” [9]

Costa Mesa, California

Hundreds of protesters assembled outside of a Trump rally in   Costa Mesa, California , on April 28, 2016, where, according to   The Los Angeles Times , they were "stomping on cars, hurling rocks at motorists and forcefully declaring their opposition to the Republican presidential candidate." Although there were no major injuries reported, five police cars were damaged. [10]   Seventeen people were arrested on suspicion of unlawful assembly. [10]

Albany, New York

On April 11, 2016, a protester at a Trump rally in   Albany, New York , was shoved in the face by an attendee of the event. The protester was escorted away by security officials. [11] [12]

Janesville, Wisconsin

Teenager is pepper-sprayed by an unknown man while protesting Trump rally in Janesville, Wisconsin, on March 29, 2016.

Outside of Trump's rally in   Janesville, Wisconsin , on March 29, 2016, a 15-year-old girl protesting the event was pepper-sprayed by an unknown man. [13]

The Janesville Police Department released the following statement about the incident: "A 15 year [ sic ] girl from Janesville was peppered sprayed in the crowd by a non-law enforcement person. A 19 year old woman from Madison received 2nd hand spray as well. Both individuals received medical attention at local hospitals. A male in the crown [ sic ] groped the 15 year girl, when she pushed him away; another person in the crown [ sic ] sprayed her. We are currently looking for two suspects, one for the sexual assault and one for the pepper spray." [14]

Tucson, Arizona

In Trump's second rally in Arizona on March 19, 2016, a protester was punched and kicked by a rally attendee. As the incident occurred, Trump said from the podium, "They're taking away our First Amendment rights. They're troublemakers, they're no good, and we have to be careful. We've gotta take our country back, folks. We gotta take our country back, very simple." The rally attendee, Tony Pettway, was charged with assault with injury and released. [15]

At the same event, Trump campaign manager   Corey Lewandowski   was accused of pulling on a protester's collar. Campaign spokeswoman Hope Hicks denied that Lewandowski touched the protester. She said in a statement that video of the event reflected that the protester was reacting to another man who pulled him. [16]   Trump also said that Lewandowski was only in the crowd to remove offensive signs held by protesters. He said, "They had signs up in that area were horrendous. I will give him [Lewandowski] credit for having spirit.” [17]

Fountain Hills, Arizona

Dozens of protesters blocked the roadways leading to a Trump rally near   Phoenix, Arizona , on March 19, 2016. After forming a human wall, police officers began to arrest the protesters. Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who introduced Trump at the rally, announced later that day that three protesters had been arrested. [18]

Kansas City, Missouri

Protesters outside of Trump's March 12, 2016, rally in   Kansas City, Missouri , were pepper-sprayed by police officers. Kansas City Police Department spokesman Darin Snapp said this action was taken to "prevent protesters from taking over the street in an attempt to fight with rally supporters.” [19]   On March 18, 2016, a woman was arrested and charged with abuse of a police service animal for allegedly screaming in the face of a police horse and then slapping it during the protest. [20]

Dayton, Ohio

During a campaign rally in   Dayton, Ohio , on March 12, 2016, a protester attempted to storm the stage as Trump was speaking. The man, Thomas DiMassimo, was removed by Secret Service agents and shortly thereafter charged with disorderly conduct and inducing panic. [21]

Chicago, Illinois

Footage from the Trump rally in Chicago on March 11, 2016, after the event was canceled

Trump was scheduled to hold a rally in   Chicago, Illinois , on March 11, 2016. Thousands of people had assembled at the venue—the University of Illinois at Chicago Pavilion—when Trump unexpectedly canceled the event. His campaign announced, "Mr. Trump just arrived in Chicago, and after meeting with law enforcement, has determined that for the safety of all of the tens of thousands of people that have gathered in and around the arena, tonight's rally will be postponed to another date. Thank you very much for your attendance and please go in peace." [22] [23]   Chicago law enforcement and university police said that they did not report any security concerns to Trump's campaign. [24]

Politico   reported that there were 2,500 protesters outside of the venue and hundreds inside. [24]   Some held flags with peace signs, while others ripped up Trump signs. There were several demonstrators with   Bernie Sanders   signs. [25]

Directly after the event was canceled, altercations began to break out between the rally attendees and protesters. Some members of the crowd yelled racially charged words like "runaway slaves" and "f****** terrorist." Reporter Keith O'Brien described his experience, writing for   Politico , "I got struck in the head with a thrown object, something hard, metal perhaps. [Some protesters] lashed out, pushing back, fighting in skirmishes with willing Trump participants, baiting the violence." [24]   Two police officers were injured during the incident, and five arrests were made. [26]

Fayetteville, North Carolina

On March 9, 2016, protesters interrupted Trump's rally in   Fayetteville, North Carolina . As they were being escorted out of the venue, one of the protesters, Rakeem Jones, was punched in the face by Trump supporter John McGraw. Directly after the incident, Jones was thrown to the ground by a police officer. McGraw later said, "The next time we see him, we might have to kill him." [1]

The following day, McGraw was arrested and charged with assault, disorderly conduct, and communicating threats by the Cumberland County Sheriff's Office. An internal investigation was also opened to determine whether the police officers present during the incident behaved appropriately when they did not detain or arrest McGraw at the venue. [1]

Michelle Fields

See also:   Alleged altercation between Michelle Fields and Trump campaign manager   and   Alleged altercations involving Corey Lewandowski at Donald Trump campaign events
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Corey Lewandowski

Trump's campaign manager,   Corey Lewandowski , allegedly grabbed   Breitbart   reporter   Michelle Fields   during a press event on March 8, 2016, in Florida. [27]   Lewandowski and the Trump campaign accused Fields of fabricating the event. [28]

Fields filed a police report against Lewandowski on March 11, 2016. [29]   On March 29, 2016, Lewandowski was charged with misdemeanor battery.

Palm Beach County Florida State Attorney David Aronberg announced on April 14, 2016, that the prosecutor's office would not press charges against Lewandowski. He said that although the local police department "acted well within their authority to investigate and make an independent charging decision" because probable cause existed, "Our standard is higher than probable cause. ... Although the facts support the allegation that Mr. Lewandowski did grab Ms. Fields' arm against her will, Mr. Lewandowski has a reasonable hypothesis of innocence." [30]

Louisville, Kentucky

During a Trump rally in   Louisville, Kentucky , on March 1, 2016, a Black protester, Shiya Nwanguma, was roughly shoved by several attendees and reportedly called a "n*****" and a "c***" as she left the venue. [31]

One of the men who yelled at Nwanguma, Joseph Pryor, was discharged from the Marine Corps' delayed entry program for his involvement in the incident after video from the rally was submitted to Marine officials. "The situation and Pryor's lack of judgement are unfortunate, so in keeping with our ethos, this command decided to part ways with him. This command encourages equality across the board, and actions that deviate from our values will not be tolerated," said Gunnery Sgt. Andrew Miller, a public affairs chief for the 4th Marine Corps District. [32]

Christopher Morris

During a rally for Trump in Virginia on February 29, 2016,   TIME   photographer Chris Morris was grabbed by the neck and slammed to the ground by a Secret Service agent as he tried to film protesters being ejected from the event. Morris allegedly swore at the agent before the incident. [33] [34]

Politico   reported on March 7, 2016, that the Department of Homeland Security’s inspector general was launching an investigation to determine whether there was any misconduct during the altercation. [35]

Las Vegas, Nevada

On February 23, 2016, Trump said that he'd "like to punch him [a protester] in the face" during a rally in   Las Vegas, Nevada . He said the protester had been “throwing punches," although security personnel from the venue denied that this was true. [36]

Cedar Rapids, Iowa

During a rally in   Cedar Rapids, Iowa , on February 1, 2016, Trump said that he had been informed by security guards that there may have been protesters in the audience planning to throw tomatoes at him. He then encouraged the crowd to hit any protester who attempted to do so. [37]

Sorry RDTC - got carried away.

 
 
 
charger 383
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3.1.10  charger 383  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.3    3 weeks ago

Good that you are still with us 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.1.11  1stwarrior  replied to  charger 383 @3.1.10    3 weeks ago

Thanks Charger - Creator just ain't ready for me yet - and I'm glad - as is my wife and daughter (most of the time).

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.12  Sparty On  replied to  charger 383 @3.1.10    3 weeks ago

Agreed .... Teufel Hunden are tough to rub out ..... jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3    3 weeks ago

Did you have a problem with trump saying that? Now that you are done with the deflection what do you think about what chuck said,especially in light of recent events?

 
 
 
Hallux
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4  Hallux    3 weeks ago

Aw, are y'all having a ' Family Feud' down yonder?

512

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1  Sparty On  replied to  Hallux @4    3 weeks ago

Nah, how ya doin up der eh?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

Good thing Schumer didnt say he could get away with shooting someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue. They might be calling for his execution if he had. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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5.1  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @5    3 weeks ago

Nope - since he's a Dem/Lib, he'd probably get a standing ovation and the police report would just say it was a "peaceful shooting" - time to move on folks - nothing else to see.

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.1  Ender  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1    3 weeks ago

Oh yes. Those evil Dems out to destroy America...

Any more hyperbole?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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5.1.2  1stwarrior  replied to  Ender @5.1.1    3 weeks ago

Doing a darn good job too.

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.3  Ender  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1.2    3 weeks ago

Of your hyperbole? Yes you are...

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @5    3 weeks ago

Still deflecting. How about sticking to the actual subject while staying away from but but but trump! Or can't you do it.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @5    3 weeks ago
Good thing Schumer didnt say he could get away with shooting someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue.

He's to smart to say publicly what he's thinking.

 
 
 
Gulliver
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5.3.1  Gulliver  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.3    3 weeks ago
He's to smart to say publicly what he's thinking.

Schumer isn't thinking that he can get away with anything at all. He has no delusions about having a cult following.

Trump also has no delusions about having a cult following. He has a cult following.

 
 
 
dennis smith
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6  dennis smith    3 weeks ago

As expected, the usual suspects cannot defend what Schumer said but rather instead deflect.

 
 
 
Thomas
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7  Thomas    3 weeks ago
Supreme Murder Government Takeover Plot And The Reckless Rhetoric

This is ironic comedy, no? 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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7.1  Ronin2  replied to  Thomas @7    3 weeks ago

Ironic comedy from the left and their support of BLM and Antifa rioters? No, no it wasn't ironic; and it damn well sure wasn't comedic.

 
 
 
Thomas
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7.1.1  Thomas  replied to  Ronin2 @7.1    3 weeks ago

Then this is:

Unfortunately this was bound to happen with all this super heated rhetoric coming from the left and this bogus left wing regime which is ruling this country. - VicE

or this response out of left field:

Ironic comedy from the left and their support of BLM and Antifa rioters? No, no it wasn't ironic; and it damn well sure wasn't comedic.

I support the BLM protests, not the riots. I don't expect any of this to get through your hyper partisan defenses, but hey, I figured I would give it a shot.

And Antifa is a strawman of small proportions blown into existence as an organization by DJT et al because they couldn't think of anything to do about the protests but demonize and lie about the participants. Once again, I know that this has little ability to make it through....

As ender said up the page aways, calling the cops on yourself doesn't exactly equate to the best of plans.

 
 
 
gooseisback
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7.1.2  gooseisback  replied to  Thomas @7.1.1    3 weeks ago
And Antifa is a strawman of small proportions

Antifa and BLM were responsible for Two Billion dollars in property losses and loss of income I wouldn't call that small.. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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7.1.3  Jack_TX  replied to  Thomas @7.1.1    3 weeks ago
because they couldn't think of anything to do about the protests but demonize and lie about the participants.

That's just not the case.  They were actively prevented from taking action by Democratic officials in several cities.

Once again, I know that this has little ability to make it through....

That may be the worst case of the pot calling the kettle black that I've seen in a long time.

As ender said up the page aways, calling the cops on yourself doesn't exactly equate to the best of plans.

It's not any worse a plan than rioting at the Capitol to try to get election results overturned.  If Donald Trump is responsible for that riot (which Democrats are about to attempt to convince us later this evening), then Schumer is certainly responsible for this attempt to assassinate a SCOTUS justice.

 
 
 
Thomas
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7.1.4  Thomas  replied to  Jack_TX @7.1.3    3 weeks ago
That's just not the case.  They were actively prevented from taking action by Democratic officials in several cities.

So they demonized and lied about the participants of the demonstrations, painting all of the millions of people who supported the BLM cause as somehow complicit in the actions of an extreme minority who actually did riot. My point stands, as evidenced by  7.1.2

It's not any worse a plan than rioting at the Capitol to try to get election results overturned.  If Donald Trump is responsible for that riot (which Democrats are about to attempt to convince us later this evening), then Schumer is certainly responsible for this attempt to assassinate a SCOTUS justice.

Really? No small amount of false equivalence there. Did Schumer lie about something? Did schumer call on people to come to the houses of the Supreme Court justices? The two are worlds apart. That said,  we should watch what we all say so that rhetoric does not turn to violence. That is one glaring signpost that all can see from the Jan 6 fiasco. Take an oath and stand by it. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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7.1.5  Thomas  replied to  gooseisback @7.1.2    3 weeks ago

Prove that all who protested under the auspices of BLM were responsible for that $2 Billion price tag. You can't because it is simply not true. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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7.1.7  Thomas  replied to  gooseisback @7.1.6    3 weeks ago

So? It still does not make the millions of people who were in solidarity complicit in the crimes of a few. Which is the picture that you are trying to paint.

And before you start quibbling about that characterization of the numbers 2000/1,000,000 = 0.2% and it was more like 15 to 26 million people who turned out in support of BLM, so that would push the percentage down to 0.013% to 0.0077%.

According to NPR as of the anniversary, 725 people had been arrested out of the approximately 10,000 people that made it onto the Capitol grounds that day, or 7.25%. Over 2000 people got into the Capitol! That is not merely a "handful".  

 
 
 
Ronin2
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7.1.8  Ronin2  replied to  Thomas @7.1.7    3 weeks ago

You want to talk about complicit?

How about Democrats trying to tie every Republican at every level; right down to voters with sedition. 

Before you bloviate- just look at the leftist comments on this website; then listen to the Democrats; and their media talking heads.

If anyone had the temerity to not vote Democrat; then they are guilty.

As for your 2000 people got into the capital; how many were ushered in by police after the riot was long over?

So tell us all what crime are these people committing?

Most peaceful, and obedient, rioters ever. Most of them even stay between the damn ropes. Notice the Capitol Police officer get into the shot. Looks real damn concerned doesn't he? Gets replaced by a second Capitol Police officer- who at least thinks better of it and keeps his distance from them. The rioters never look twice at them. Think that BLM or Antifa rioters would do the same?

Yet the highly partisan AG and DOJ wants to punish these "seditionists"; most of whom did nothing more than meander around; to the fullest extent of the law. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.1.9  TᵢG  replied to  Ronin2 @7.1.8    3 weeks ago

Do you really think this extreme cherry-picking is going to convince people that the Jan 6th insurrection was just a peaceful protest?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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7.1.10  Jack_TX  replied to  Thomas @7.1.4    3 weeks ago
So they demonized and lied about the participants of the demonstrations, painting all of the millions of people who supported the BLM cause as somehow complicit in the actions of an extreme minority who actually did riot. My point stands, as evidenced by  7.1.2

They didn't need to demonize anybody.  The demonstrators did that for themselves.  Either they were:

  • active participants in rioting and looting, or
  • they attended events that they were fully aware had a high probability of devolving into rioting and looting, or
  • they were oblivious to all the rioting and looting ...meaning they were complete morons.
Really? No small amount of false equivalence there.

I'm sure you'd like to think so.  But all know "false equivalence" in modern vernacular simply translates to "we did it too, but it's somehow not as bad because we're liberal".

Did Schumer lie about something? Did schumer call on people to come to the houses of the Supreme Court justices? The two are worlds apart.

Both used inflammatory language that incited people to attempt violence.   "Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest" isn't a lie, either, but that fact didn't save Henry II.

That said,  we should watch what we all say so that rhetoric does not turn to violence. That is one glaring signpost that all can see from the Jan 6 fiasco. Take an oath and stand by it. 

Agreed.  While we're at it, we can adopt a healthy sense of skepticism for anything and everything we see in today's media.  Just because Chicken Little has a few followers does not mean the sky is actually falling.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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7.1.11  Ronin2  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.9    3 weeks ago

Do you really think that is the only video evidence? The idiots on the committee have thousands of hours of footage they haven't released. Why is that? It is because that footage destroys their narrative completely and utterly. It also will spark a shitload of outrage that people are being charged for nothing by Biden's partisan AG and DOJ.

The truth will out after midterms. The calls for Republicans to release all footage and evidence will be deafening. Including questioning Pelosi, Schumer, Bowser, and a very reluctant FBI that has removed several fomenters of Jan 6th from the most wanted list. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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7.1.12  Thomas  replied to  Ronin2 @7.1.8    3 weeks ago

I suppose there was a rebuttal somewhere in there. 

First off, I am what you would call a leftist,  and I haven't called all people who did not vote Democrat anything. All people should vote for the person whom they feel will best fill the seat in question. 

However, you continue to conflate the actions of a few with the actions of the group at large, even after you have been told that to do so without evidence supporting your position is unwise because it is quite often untrue. 

I could go on, but quite frankly  there are much better things to do with my time. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.1.13  TᵢG  replied to  Ronin2 @7.1.11    3 weeks ago
Do you really think that is the only video evidence?

No;  what prompted you to ask such a stupid question?

It is because that footage destroys their narrative completely and utterly.

Hardly, if only 10% of those who were at the capitol engaged in violence the event is still an act of violence.    All one need do to show that the capitol was violently attacked is to show multiple events of breaking and entering by dozens of people.   They showed that and much more.   So you can show videos of people standing by passively with signs all you want ... that does not change the reality that the capitol was indeed violently violated.

 
 
 
Thomas
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7.1.14  Thomas  replied to  Jack_TX @7.1.10    3 weeks ago

They damn well did demonize and lie, and I see that they have even duped you. 

There were millions of protestors involved with BLM and thousands of protests which did not devolve into violence. This is fact. 

The fact that you are unwilling to concede this fact tells me that you do not wish to concede a well known fact. Why do you do this? It only makes you look like you can't except what is plainly evident, and calls other aspects of your argumentation into question.  

Prove that Schumer wished to incite people to violence. 

False equivalence: The attempt to place two or more items together in the attempt to make them appear the same in degree and composition when they are in fact not the same. That is my understanding of the word and conforms quite closely to the dictionaries. Regardless of what you may claim as a translation. 

I find your false trichotomy amusing, but still false. At least you tried. 

Good day.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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7.1.15  Jack_TX  replied to  Thomas @7.1.14    3 weeks ago
They damn well did demonize and lie, and I see that they have even duped you. 

I'm sure you're desperate to think so.

There were millions of protestors involved with BLM and thousands of protests which did not devolve into violence. This is fact.

It's also a fact that BLM protests devolved into violence at a higher rate than anything else in American society.  I realize liberals live in denial about this, but it's their own math. 

The fact that you are unwilling to concede this fact tells me that you do not wish to concede a well known fact.

It means I understand the well known fact for what it actually is instead of the fantasy you want everyone to believe.

Why do you do this?

Because I work with numbers for a living.  Which means I don't misinterpret them. 

It only makes you look like you can't except what is plainly evident, and calls other aspects of your argumentation into question. 

What is plainly evident is that you cannot accept any hint of an idea that interrupts your wildly idealistic concepts of liberals and their activities. 

Let me give you an alternate example....

During the height of the pandemic, there was a standing view among some conservatives that the dangers of Covid were vastly overstated.  They latched on to the statistic that Covid had a 98% survival rate as justification for ending lockdowns, not wearing masks, and refusing vaccinations.    Now.... these people (the ones who survived) are complete fucking imbeciles.  If there were anything else that killed you 1 out of every 50 times it happened, these idiots would avoid it at all costs. Imagine 1 out of every 50 airplanes falling out of the sky.  Or 1 out of 50 trips to the gym causing a heart attack.  Shit would be outlawed... because by any sane measure 2% fatality rate = incredibly deadly.

In your case, these gatherings you defend turned violent 1 time in every 14.  I'll help you with the math.... 1 time in every 14 is more often than 1 time in every 50.  There is no universe in which something that goes violent that often can remotely be classified as "peaceful".  Because by any sane measure 7% violence rate = incredibly violent. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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7.1.16  Thomas  replied to  Jack_TX @7.1.15    3 weeks ago

Priorities.  

 
 

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