Newsom says California about to 'break' amid flood of illegal migrants when Title 42 expires

  

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Via:  vic-eldred  •  2 months ago  •  141 comments

By:   Timothy Nerozzi (Fox News)

Newsom says California about to 'break' amid flood of illegal migrants when Title 42 expires
California Gov. Gavin Newsom warned that the Biden administration's plans to repeal Trump-era Title 42 immigration policies could "break" his state.

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Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom of California warned Monday that President Biden's plan to reverse former President Donald Trump's border policies could "break" his state.

The Biden administration is planning to lift the Trump-era Title 42 policy, which allows police and border officers to expedite the expulsion of illegal immigrants.

Newsom, speaking to ABC News on Monday, said, "The fact is, what we've got right now is not working and is about to break in a post-42 world unless we take some responsibility and ownership."

"I'm saying that as a father," the governor added. "I'm saying that as someone that feels responsible for being part of the solution and I'm trying to do my best here."

Newsom claimed the U.S. government is sending "more and more" migrants to California because the state is "taking care of folks."

"The more we do, the burden is placed disproportionate on us," he said.

"We're already at capacity at nine of our sites," Newsom continued. "We can't continue to fund all of these sites because of the budgetary pressures now being placed on this state and the offsetting issues that I have to address.… The reality is, unless we're doing what we're doing, people will end up on the streets."

Newsom's comments come as a surprise after years of championing policies to accommodate and expand protections to illegal migrants entering California.

"On Day One of his administration, President Biden put forward a comprehensive plan focused on securing our border, ensuring Dreamers have a permanent home in our country, and helping businesses address their needs for more workers," the governor's office said in a statement to Fox News Digital, quoting Newsom's comments from visiting the border on Dec. 12.

The governor went on to claim that Republicans were disingenuous in their calls for tightened border security and immigration reform, accusing them of simply playing politics on the issue.

Migrants stand across the Rio Grande from El Paso, Texas. Thousands of migrants have illegally crossed into the city in recent days, prompting concerns from city officials. (Border Patrol)

Newsom continued, "Instead of working on real reform, the response from Republicans has been to exploit the situation at our border for political gain. California has invested roughly $1 billion over the past three years to support the health and safety of migrants as well as the surrounding border communities, but we cannot continue to do this work alone."

"It is long past time for Republicans in Congress to engage on real solutions to meet the public safety, public health and humanitarian issues at our border and in our immigration system," the governor concluded.

About 22% of California's nearly 11 million immigrants are in the U.S. illegally, according to the Public Policy Institute of California.

About 22% of California's nearly 11 million immigrants are in the U.S. illegally, according to the Public Policy Institute of California. (John Moore/Getty Images)

In September, Newsom signed a bill allowing illegal immigrants to obtain state ID, saying, "We're a state of refuge — a majority-minority state, where 27% of us are immigrants."

In January, Newsom unveiled his 2022-23 California budget plan, which included universal health care benefits for all low-income residents, including illegal migrants.

The Biden administration is requesting billions in additional funding for the border as it predicts an enormous spike in migrant encounters when the Title 42 authority to quickly expel migrants due to the COVID-19 pandemic ends later this month.

A court ordered the administration to stop using the authority — which has been used since March 2020 to quickly return migrants to Mexico — after finding it to be unlawful.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 months ago


Now lets here from democrats who claim the border is fine.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 months ago

Poor little Democrat.  I guess feeling the pressure that other southern border states feel is just too much for them.

Looks like Biden, Harris and Myorkas have been lying when they say that the border is secure.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3  Snuffy    2 months ago

Wow.  And there I thought being a sanctuary state was a good thing...    LOL

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Snuffy @3    2 months ago

That was already proven to be a lie when buses arrived in NYC, Martha's Vineyard and other democrat shitholes.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1    2 months ago

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Vic Eldred
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4  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

The possibility of 14,000 migrant crossings a day is pushing the Biden administration toward a new rule that would severely limit migrants' ability to qualify for asylum at the southern border, Axios has learned.

Why it matters:  Officials are concerned that Border Patrol stations will face acute overcrowding and Department of Homeland Security resources will be overwhelmed when the pandemic-era Title 42 policy ends on Dec. 21, according to sources familiar with the plans.

Driving the news:  Title 42, implemented during the Trump administration and extended by President Biden, allows for the rapid expulsion of migrants and asylum seekers at the border. It's scheduled to be lifted in less than two weeks,  barring last-minute court intervention .

  • Encounters with migrants at the southern border are already at record levels, with the daily tally surpassing 9,000 three times in the first week and a half of December, the sources told Axios.
  • Officials now are preparing for the possibility of between 12,000 to 14,000 migrants attempting to cross every day.


 
 
 
charger 383
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5  charger 383    2 months ago

Newsome suddenly realized that feral cats are a problem

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  charger 383 @5    2 months ago

He's trying to give illegals universal health care and black residents reparations.

CA cannot sustain it.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    2 months ago

CA will expect the rest of the US to pay for their stupid policies. 

That is what Newsome is getting at.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1.1    2 months ago

And all the while claiming they are the backbone of the US economy.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1.1    2 months ago

He's losing the tech companies, he already lost the middle class. CA is no longer a place that could raise enough revenue to get away with all of this.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6  Texan1211    2 months ago

Grateful to not live in California and seeing my tax dollars wasted on illegal aliens.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @6    2 months ago

The state where more people leave than enter.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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6.1.1  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 months ago

Ya, who wants to get up and drive two hours to ski in the mountains only to drive home later in time to catch the sunset at the beach ? 

320

Cali is a real sh*t hole, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.2  CB   replied to  pat wilson @6.1.1    2 months ago

Of course, we are 'glorifying' in our recent rain/storm showers! Whew! We need a respite from all the 'surf and sand' yearsLife's a beach, but it's better wet from time to time too! :) Thanks for that beautiful and 'happy' sunset!

 
 
 
gooseisback
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6.1.3  gooseisback  replied to  pat wilson @6.1.1    2 months ago
Cali is a real sh*t hole, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 

Please by all means stay in California, don't move to a red state and try to fuck that up. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
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6.1.4  pat wilson  replied to  CB @6.1.2    2 months ago

You're very welcome !

 
 
 
pat wilson
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6.1.5  pat wilson  replied to  gooseisback @6.1.3    2 months ago

Please by all means tell all your family, friends and neighbors not to visit !

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.1.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  gooseisback @6.1.3    2 months ago

256

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @6.1.1    2 months ago

The esthetic value is a whole different thing, don't you know.

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.8  CB   replied to  pat wilson @6.1.5    2 months ago

And, red states should do something profound for crying out loud! Give more of their children reasons to stay 'home,' or at least in state! All this bitchin and moanin about what California is doing or dealing with, while they drive away their own is holding back a great share of this country's advance!

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.9  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.7    2 months ago
esthetic

We have issues with back to back droughts, leading to the homeless having free range from the cold and wet. Many of whom are 'heartland' kids looking for a better life than they can obviously get back home (many being kicked out or 'volunteering' to head west). They come; they live on the streets and it's very sad all around. But, go ahead lack empathy for California's 'condition.' It is not Governor Newsom who controls drought and its duration. BTW, with all the rainfall red states are receiving; why are the children leaving home for different 'pastures' in drought-stricken states?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.6    2 months ago

LOL!

Ours down here was "Don't California My Texas!"

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.11  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @6.1.9    2 months ago

That too!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.12  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @6.1.8    2 months ago
Give more of their children reasons to stay 'home,' or at least in state!

California exodus continues, with L.A., San Francisco leading the way: ‘Why are we here?’

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.1.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  pat wilson @6.1.1    2 months ago

And I can do the same thing right here in North Carolina.  Without having to avoid piles of shit and record number of homeless.

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.14  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.11    2 months ago

Shallow is as shallow does.

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.15  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.12    2 months ago

"Exodus"? They're going back 'home'  to red-states. Howdy! It's a good thing. It's too many of us here anyway!  ;)  On a serious note: The country is free and people move around. It's just an example of noone's feet being nailed to the ground around them.

How pathetic it is to gloat about California the nation's most populous state, having some people move out.

As any time there is a half empty state of being, it at the same leaves room for more people to create a new state of half full!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.16  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @6.1.14    2 months ago

Are you quoting Forrest Gump's mother?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.17  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @6.1.15    2 months ago
"Exodus"? They're going back 'home'  to red-states.

Is that true?  I haven't seen detailed analysis on where the CA emigrants originated from.

How pathetic it is to gloat about California the nation's most populous state, having some people move out.

Why did you see my linking a LA Times article as gloating>?

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.18  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.17    2 months ago
Why did you see my linking a LA Times article as gloating>?

You would not have posted it if it did not build upon a critique of some kind. It goes without expectation, that you did not link the article because of its celebratory praise of California. No, that would have been counterproductive to who you are.  But, I don't begrudge you area of the country with whatever negative values which occur there. All states have problems, and your state problems. . . I won't even bother to take the time to dig up or mention. Why? Because it's childish to dig at the misery occurring to others. It is as ill-mannered as sitting and staring at a handicapped person. All the while knowing that people with hometraining are taught to know better!

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.19  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.16    2 months ago

Don't know. Did she say it 'first'? (I have not taken the time to watch, "Forest Gump.")

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.20  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @6.1.19    2 months ago

Her famous quote from the movie was "Stupid is as stupid does."

Do people talk like that?

Maybe I'm missing something

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.21  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.20    2 months ago

What's your point?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.22  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @6.1.21    2 months ago

Simply that Forrest Gump's mother is the only one I know who talked like that.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.1.23  arkpdx  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.10    2 months ago

It used to be here in Oregon " don't Californicate Oregon". Unfortunately this state has definitely been "Fornicated" by Immigrants from California. You can see that by our last few governor's including the governor elect Tina Kotex. 

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.24  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.22    2 months ago

And what is the point of dwelling on it? A point of movie-making is for the product to be memorable. Once its served its purpose, let it go, and continue to the heart of discussion.

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.25  CB   replied to  arkpdx @6.1.23    2 months ago

Proof that people move around and they bring their politics with them in the end. Welcome to truth!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.26  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @6.1.18    2 months ago
All the while knowing that people with hometraining are taught to know better!

I don’t know what this means.

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.27  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.26    2 months ago

Interesting. Home-training confuses you. I don't know what to say about that one.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.28  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @6.1.27    2 months ago

Yes, I don’t know what you mean by home training.

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.29  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.28    2 months ago

Look it up! jrSmiley_123_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.30  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @6.1.29    2 months ago

Oh, like a workout at home.

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.31  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.30    2 months ago

NOPE. More like commonsense coupled with manners taught by those who raise us. Home-training, happens everyday somewhere on the planet.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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7  Ronin2    2 months ago

Count the Newsome lies.

"On Day One of his administration, President Biden put forward a comprehensive plan focused on securing our border,

On day one Brandon tried to end Trump's stay in Mexico policy. When a federal court forced him to reinstate it he had the DOJ fight it up the court system tooth and nail. Anything that Trump did on the border that worked Brandon wanted to end it.  Brandon even announced a moratorium on deportations- that the court overturned.

ensuring Dreamers have a permanent home in our country,

Democrats have had control of the House and Senate for the first two years of the Brandon administration. They had 2 reconciliation attempts each year available for use; yet never found it necessary to pass anything to help the Dreamers. Democrats only use Dreamers as a political tool to rile up their base.

and helping businesses address their needs for more workers,"

If you call giving free shit to illegal immigrants so they don't need to work "addressing their needs". With all of these illegal immigrants within the US now businesses should have no problem finding people desperate to work. As we all have been told by the left countless times "illegal immigrants do the work that no one else will." Yet the manual labor, food, and service industries are still all starved for workers.

The governor went on to claim that Republicans were disingenuous in their calls for tightened border security and immigration reform, accusing them of simply playing politics on the issue.

Newsom continued, "Instead of working on real reform, the response from Republicans has been to exploit the situation at our border for political gain. California has invested roughly $1 billion over the past three years to support the health and safety of migrants as well as the surrounding border communities, but we cannot continue to do this work alone."

"It is long past time for Republicans in Congress to engage on real solutions to meet the public safety, public health and humanitarian issues at our border and in our immigration system," the governor concluded.

Because giving illegal immigrants even more free shit is going to stem the flow. Let's make it as pleasant as possible within the US for illegals- so they call all their friends and relatives to let them know how good it is here; and how well they are being taken care of. All of the immigration reforms in the world won't do a damn thing to stem the flow; unless the border is secured. 

Guess Newsome is feeling the pressure of his pending run at the presidency; since Washington (the state) is offering subsidized health care to illegal immigrants.

Democrats have been ringing the dinner bell for illegal immigrants to enter this country since the 2020 primaries. If they really had any intensions of stopping it they would end the free shit; and close the border. Since their plan to federalize all elections failed, Democrats are switching to granting asylum to all illegals within the US. Hoping that will give them instant Democrat voters. With millions more to come if the first two years of record breaking numbers didn't turn the tide to permanent Democrat control.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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8  Jasper2529    2 months ago

Newsom is setting the table for 2024. If he really cared about the southern border, he wouldn't have proudly declared CA a sanctuary state in 2019. He finally found the time for a short photo op this week, decrying the open border. What a hypocrite.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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9  Greg Jones    2 months ago

As usual, these liberal dipsticks are blaming the Republicans for the problem they have made much worse.

Eventually, liberal largesse has to come to the reality that the using "other people's money" to achieve political goals sooner or later finds the pool of funds has dried up.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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10  Nerm_L    2 months ago

Democrats, like Newsom, blame Republicans for blocking serious immigration reforms.  What are those serious immigration reforms?

Democrats have been talking about reforms that facilitate immigration which would only increase the number immigrants.  How will increasing the number of immigrants lessen the burden?  Apparently Democrats are planning on some form of expedited legal residence or expedited citizenship that would allow government to withdraw support.  That approach only bolsters the perception that Democrats don't care about citizens or legal residents.  

Democrats have created the immigration mess.  And now Democrats are unhappy with what they have created.  The Democrat approach to immigration has been too successful.  So, now Democrats need to find scapegoats to divert attention away from themselves.  Democrats have thrown the people of the United States under the bus just to score cheap political points.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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11  magicschoolbusdropout    2 months ago

California Gov. Gavin Newsom warned that the Biden administration's plans to repeal Trump-era Title 42 immigration policies could "break" his state.

The voters "Wanted" a "Break" !

I say .... YOU GO "Mumbles" BRANDON.... and "Word Salad Queen" Kamala..... and "Schiff Twin" Mayorkas !

Give the Voters what they "Wanted". 

256

 
 
 
CB
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12  CB     2 months ago

Of course, MAGA mocks, while other rock. Governor Newsom clearly says red states need to get off their asses and help out with the problem of immigration through legislation and policy-making. Instead, mockers sit in the political bleachers (and on the internet) pretending to be power players when what they actually are lazy, onlookers.

This immigration problem is not going anywhere until the nation as a whole acts in unison to do more than lip-service and smearing of people groups. Why?

Because the United States is the shiny object that attracts desperate people fleeing oppressive governments in our world! Remember all those years of promoting the U.S. brand the world over. . . .what the "h" did conservatives think would happen?  And now, this problem is on our doorstep and 'breaking in' our boundaries. Yet, MAGA is resolute in demonizing and turning up its nose!

Governor Newsom is not saying don't help. Governor Newsom is saying all hands are needed to fix the issue of immigration.

If only the constitution allowed California (and other blue states) to  verify and send conservative red states' children 'back home' it could be just desserts.

 
 
 
dennissmith
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12.1  dennissmith  replied to  CB @12    2 months ago

Governor Newsom clearly says red states need to get off their asses and help out with the problem of immigration through legislation and policy-making. Instead, mockers sit in the political bleachers (and on the internet) pretending to be power players when what they actually are lazy, onlookers.

He sounds just like Biden by blaming others when things don't go according to the Dem playbook. 

This immigration problem is not going anywhere until the nation as a whole acts in unison to do more than lip-service and smearing of people groups. Why?

The only people in unison right now are Biden, Harris and Mayorkas. When they start telling the truth about the border crisis they can start to take action. Then perhaps the country would start to act in unison.

Because the United States is the shiny object that attracts desperate people fleeing oppressive governments in our world! Remember all those years of promoting the U.S. brand the world over. . . .what the "h" did conservatives think would happen?  And now, this problem is on our doorstep and 'breaking in' our boundaries. Yet, MAGA is resolute in demonizing and turning up its nose!

We have had immigration policies and quota's for decades. All of a sudden it is so much worse under the Biden admin, Has nothing to do with Conservatives.

Agreed that now the problem is on our doorstep. Maga is not the problem as Dems have controlled Congress and the WH during the time frame the problem has become a crisis.

Governor Newsom is not saying don't help. Governor Newsom is saying all hands are needed to fix the issue of immigration. The issue that was created by his own party.

If only the constitution allowed California (and other blue states) to  verify and send conservative red states' children 'back home' it could be just desserts. Not to worry, they are already leaving by their own choice. 

 
 
 
CB
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12.1.1  CB   replied to  dennissmith @12.1    2 months ago
If only the constitution allowed California (and other blue states) to  verify and send conservative red states' children 'back home' it could be just desserts. Not to worry, they are already leaving by their own choice. 

Good. Lordy make this over-saturation of red-state children stop in California! Let 'outcasts' find freedom and liberty to live for in red-states too.  Oh, and Lord, let the 'healing' rains and wetness feed our proper vegetation and crops in California. Refresh our dry, polluted, germ-filled air! And hose down our dusty-caked, streets.

 
 
 
dennissmith
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12.1.2  dennissmith  replied to  CB @12.1.1    2 months ago

Oh, and Lord, let the 'healing' rains and wetness feed our proper vegetation and crops in California. Refresh our dry, polluted, germ-filled air! And hose down our dusty-caked, streets.

Absolutely agree

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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12.2  Nerm_L  replied to  CB @12    2 months ago
Of course, MAGA mocks, while other rock. Governor Newsom clearly says red states need to get off their asses and help out with the problem of immigration through legislation and policy-making. Instead, mockers sit in the political bleachers (and on the internet) pretending to be power players when what they actually are lazy, onlookers.

Which red states on the southern border haven't been 'helping out'?  All the border states have been complaining about the flood of immigrants illegally entering the country, including California.  So far, all the border states have been bearing the brunt of the problem.

This immigration problem is not going anywhere until the nation as a whole acts in unison to do more than lip-service and smearing of people groups. Why?

What is the nation supposed to do?  Facilitate illegal immigration?  That's not going to lessen the burden on border states.  More immigrants entering illegally won't do anything other than place a heavier burden on the border states.

Because the United States is the shiny object that attracts desperate people fleeing oppressive governments in our world! Remember all those years of promoting the U.S. brand the world over. . . .what the "h" did conservatives think would happen?  And now, this problem is on our doorstep and 'breaking in' our boundaries. Yet, MAGA is resolute in demonizing and turning up its nose!

What parts of the United States are the shiny objects that attracts illegal immigrants?  Are rural areas with few jobs and few services attracting illegal immigrants?  What part of MAGA country entices immigrants to illegally cross the border?

It's the shiny blue islands that attracts illegal immigrants.  But those shiny blue islands don't want to deal with the problem and try to shove illegal immigrants into MAGA country.  So, we end up with impoverished illegal immigrants being located in areas with few opportunities.  That's not what these illegal immigrants are searching for when they illegally enter the country.

Governor Newsom is not saying don't help. Governor Newsom is saying all hands are needed to fix the issue of immigration. If only the constitution allowed California(and other blue states)to  verify and send conservative red states' children 'back home' it could be just desserts.

Governor Newsom is complaining because Democrats' policies to facilitate illegal immigration has worked too well.  Illegal immigrants want a piece of the blue pie that they won't find in rural red states.

 
 
 
CB
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12.2.1  CB   replied to  Nerm_L @12.2    2 months ago
Which red states on the southern border haven't been 'helping out'?

The ones that have not aided in fixing the immigration problem in bi-partisan fashion in D.C.

What parts of the United States are the shiny objects that attracts illegal immigrants?  Are rural areas with few jobs and few services attracting illegal immigrants?  What part of MAGA country entices immigrants to illegally cross the border?

All of the United States is attractive to groups of people fleeing violence and tyranny in their home countries, relatively speaking.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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12.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  CB @12.2.1    2 months ago
The ones that have not aided in fixing the immigration problem in bi-partisan fashion in D.C.

Yeah, granting amnesty really 'fixes' things, and that is basically all the liberals have.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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12.2.3  Nerm_L  replied to  CB @12.2.1    2 months ago
The ones that have not aided in fixing the immigration problem in bi-partisan fashion in D.C.

Who in Congress has been avoiding discussion of controls on immigration?  You know, a pathway to citizenship doesn't address the problem of increasing numbers of illegal border crossings.  

The problem is not the illegal immigrants that have resided in the country for years.  The problem is not DREAMERS.  The problem is the flood of immigrants trying to enter the country illegally.  Illegal immigrants that have resided in the country for years and DREAMERS are not overwhelming the border patrol and urban resources.

The needed action is for controlling the number of illegal entries.  That's the problem.  So, who is avoiding that discussion?

 
 
 
Ender
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12.2.4  Ender  replied to  Nerm_L @12.2.3    2 months ago

What is going to stop people from coming here?

Maybe they should take the billions they want to send to Africa and send to South and Central America instead...

 
 
 
CB
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12.2.5  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @12.2.2    2 months ago

What do conservatives have, for instance, for "Dreamers"? What y'all got? Tell me.

 
 
 
CB
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12.2.6  CB   replied to  Nerm_L @12.2.3    2 months ago

Look, congress is paid to do a job and its not just democrats who are responsible. Get it through your stick. . . discussion. . . already! Fix the immigration system through legislation and compromise or stop bitching and moaning about what ain't happening!

 
 
 
arkpdx
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12.2.7  arkpdx  replied to  CB @12.2.5    2 months ago

A one way ticket back to the country they were born in sounds good. 

 
 
 
CB
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12.2.8  CB   replied to  arkpdx @12.2.7    2 months ago

Dog patty. If it was so simple MAGAns would have developed the business plan for exportation already instead of in-country busing and flying. What do conservatives have, for instance, for "Dreamers"? What y'all got? Tell me.

 
 
 
George
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12.2.9  George  replied to  CB @12.2.8    2 months ago

Fuck the dreamers, we don’t reward children for the criminal behavior of their parents. Throw them out.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Masters Quiet
12.2.10  Jack_TX  replied to  George @12.2.9    2 months ago
we don’t reward children for the criminal behavior of their parents.

Nor do we penalize them.

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
12.2.11  George  replied to  Jack_TX @12.2.10    2 months ago

They have no right to be here, so it’s not a penalty, you aren’t talking away anything they are entitled too.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.2.12  CB   replied to  George @12.2.9    2 months ago

None of which has occurred here. So that won't be happening anytime soon. Does demonstrate the 'mind' of MAGA to do nothing except oppose, and bitch and moan 'forever.'

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
12.2.13  dennissmith  replied to  Ender @12.2.4    2 months ago

Maybe they should give it to law abiding Americans citizens to helpoffset the rising cost of living and inflation the last 2 years.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.3  Texan1211  replied to  CB @12    2 months ago
Of course, MAGA mocks, while other rock. Governor Newsom clearly says red states need to get off their asses and help out with the problem of immigration through legislation and policy-making. Instead, mockers sit in the political bleachers (and on the internet) pretending to be power players when what they actually are lazy, onlookers.

Hey, I bet any old time Democrats get serious about border security, the GOP will gladly jump on board.  Think maybe sometime in the not-too-distant future that may actually occur?

If only the constitution allowed California(and other blue states)to  verify and send conservative red states' children 'back home' it could be just desserts.

That is an idiotic comment. Changing it didn't help a bit, either.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.3.1  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @12.3    2 months ago

If you mean democrats should "Texan their D.C." - forget it.  You're one to talk about " idiotic" things. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif   I await your neverending retort.  Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  CB @12.3.1    2 months ago
If you mean democrats should "Texan their D.C." - forget it. 

It should be clear to you that if I don't write it, then it isn't what I meant at all.

Perhaps reading it again could help.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.3.3  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @12.3.2    2 months ago

I wrote what I wrote. Deal with it, or leave it alone.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.3.4  Texan1211  replied to  CB @12.3.3    2 months ago
I wrote what I wrote

Indisputable.

Unfortunately, it just had nothing to do with what I wrote.

Maybe you should post your comments as stand-alone since they really aren't cogent replies.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Sophomore Principal
12.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @12    2 months ago
If only the constitution allowed California (and other blue states) to  verify and send conservative red states' children 'back home' it could be just desserts.

The 10 least popular states to move to in 2022:

  1. New Jersey
  2. California
  3. Illinois
  4. New York
  5. Connecticut
  6. Utah
  7. Maryland
  8. Rhode Island
  9. Louisiana
  10. Virginia
 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.4.1  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @12.4    2 months ago

So what? Living in America is not now or ever been a popularity contest. It's home. Thus, this comment is "idiotic." And the dynamics between states is not about competition. It speaks to the sickness in the 'body' of the United States that red-states are envious, jealous, or mocking of the hardships in other states for political reasons of exploitation.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Sophomore Principal
12.4.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @12.4.1    2 months ago
Thus, this comment is "idiotic."

This comment is current data, idiotic or not.

And the dynamics between states is not about competition.

Why do you think that I suggested it was?

It speaks to the sickness in the 'body' of the United States that red-states are envious, jealous, or mocking of the hardships in other states for political reasons of exploitation.

Do you think that geographic areas (states) think, our envious, jealous ect.,?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.4.3  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @12.4.2    2 months ago

No more than I think the United States has a body! But it is just you being you to try hard to make something stupid out of a plain as day comment. Good job! Intelligence is as intelligence does.

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
12.4.4  dennissmith  replied to  CB @12.4.1    2 months ago

Making America home to those who enter illegally?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.4.5  CB   replied to  dennissmith @12.4.4    2 months ago

I don't defend the illegality or the manner of entry. I don't pretend to understand the scale of the problem. But, what I will say is this: This nation pays people to fix this on behalf of all its states and those people are not doing a damn thing, except being stalled out indefinitely. This congressional lack of compromise and decision makign is what needs fixing, first!

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
12.5  George  replied to  CB @12    2 months ago
Governor Newsom clearly says red states need to get off their asses and help

Didn't that piece of shit Obama sue Arizona for doing that? 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.5.1  CB   replied to  George @12.5    2 months ago

This comment is ignorant and detestable.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
12.5.2  Greg Jones  replied to  CB @12.5.1    2 months ago

It's true, and yes he is.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.5.3  CB   replied to  Greg Jones @12.5.2    2 months ago

I would ask why MAGAns think its true, [deleted]

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Masters Quiet
13  Jack_TX    2 months ago

Sooo....   

Gavin Newsom:  "We should give free health plans to illegal aliens."

Also Gavin Newsom:  "We can't pay for all these illegal aliens."

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
13.1  Texan1211  replied to  Jack_TX @13    2 months ago
Gavin Newsom:  "We should give free health plans to illegal aliens."

Also Gavin Newsom:  "We can't pay for all these illegal aliens."

It is just such silliness like that which just may propel him to the Democratic Party nomination if he decides to run. I mean, who could resist such brilliance?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
14  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 months ago

And now we have Denver (another sanctuary city) claiming they can't back up any promises they made to illegals.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
14.1  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @14    2 months ago

Maybe Denver should send illegals to red-states on a buses and coach airline tickets! It is very ignorant that anybody is governing by shifting their illegal immigrants off on another state. The operative word being, "illegal."

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
14.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @14.1    2 months ago

The border states are only helping these blue run shit holes in fulfilling the obligations.  It appears they didn't realize the actual size of the problem border states are dealing with.

Maybe they should have kept their mouths shut and abide by the law.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
14.1.2  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @14.1.1    2 months ago

And maybe CONGRESS including red states should COMPROMISE and fix the ongoing 'perennial' problem. How about that?  Pathetic that you can't resist calling a state derogatory terms. It's so "junior high" level!

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
14.1.3  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  CB @14.1    2 months ago
Maybe Denver should send illegals to red-states

nothing is stopping them really, but in the interest of full disclosure , those they ship should be told that there will be little to no assistance for them because of their illegal status , in other words , the bennies dont exist where the blue states might  wish to ship them .

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
14.1.4  CB   replied to  Mark in Wyoming @14.1.3    2 months ago

It's childish and pointless, eh? However, that is the point for why red states are shipping illegals to blue states. Stupid ass people obviously don't realize that spreading misery around is its own 'reward.' As the problem is not fixed just exploited. Let illegals go (return) to red states. . . the reescalation. . . may finally make CONGRESS do something besides be a house of immigration knuckleheads and

62792-dunce-cap.png heads.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
14.1.5  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  CB @14.1.4    2 months ago

well just because the zipperheads in california  and its government  have made certain virtue signaling statements and promises, they do sound good when looking for votes , but are a bitch when  the bill comes due  ,  in no way binds others to do the same elsewhere at that places expense   .

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
14.1.6  CB   replied to  Mark in Wyoming @14.1.5    2 months ago

So you support divided and adversarial governance, per se?  MAGA apparently has a long life to live where all this kind of stupid time-wasting, vindictive, attitudes can strive and ultimately mature into unity? Will some MAGAns live to see political peace break-out?

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
14.1.7  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  CB @14.1.6    2 months ago

I do support one living up to the obligations they agree to,  I am not obligated to provide what someone else has promised if i were never party to the negotiations or agreement .

 i would say some are finding their alligator mouths done overloaded the capasity of their hummingbird asses . now my advice would be to chew both thoroughly and carefully , this too shall pass....

 it almost seems like some have  promised a feast , but are pissed at the one that refuses to provide the food for the feast  they were never informed about  or agreed too.

morale of the story , if your going to promise a feast , make sure that you can supply the food yourself .

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
14.1.8  CB   replied to  Mark in Wyoming @14.1.7    2 months ago

The difficulty here is not your absence—it's congress' absence. Note the distinction. You don't have to do anything from Wyoming, Mark. Nor I from California. It's all on congress or it's not going to change for good or bad.

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
14.1.9  dennissmith  replied to  CB @14.1.4    2 months ago

It's childish and pointless, eh? However, that is the point for why red states are shipping illegals to blue states.

Not at all, they are shipping them to sanctuary states and cities who offer everything to everyone.

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
14.1.10  dennissmith  replied to  CB @14.1.8    2 months ago

Cabbage head Biden and the Dems have had 2 years to take action but did not. 

Promises made and not kept are common when 1 party controls Congress and the WH

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
14.1.11  CB   replied to  dennissmith @14.1.9    2 months ago

Define 'everything.' And when you do define why red states can't carry their own 'load' of problems? Do you fail to process this is the same passing of the immigration problem that red-states are passing on in congress where no-compromise is possible (with red-state congressional leaders)?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
14.1.12  CB   replied to  dennissmith @14.1.10    2 months ago

Do you tire of scapegoating? Both parties' have to meet and fix this-especially in the senate! And now more than ever compromise will be required in the House where republicans will be in-charge.

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
14.1.13  dennissmith  replied to  CB @14.1.11    2 months ago

To start with free education, free healthcare, freedom from prosecution by not working with Federal Law Enforcement agencies. 

No compromise is possible with the career politicians from blue state congressional leaders or red-state congressionsal leaders. 

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
14.1.14  dennissmith  replied to  CB @14.1.12    2 months ago

The Dems wasted 4 years when Trump was POTUS.

Had they tried working together then instead of working against his admin, perhaps the current immigration crisis would not be as severe as it is now.

There is no way to tell for sure. What we do know is that it is much worse now than before Biden took office.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
14.1.15  CB   replied to  dennissmith @14.1.14    2 months ago

I don't know what you expect me, us, NT to do about any of this!  Write/talk with your elected congressional leaders.

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
14.1.16  dennissmith  replied to  CB @14.1.15    2 months ago

Write/talk with your elected congressional leaders.

Have been doing that for a long time. Have you?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
14.1.17  CB   replied to  dennissmith @14.1.16    2 months ago

Yes. Get the newsletters in my electronic mailbox and replies to my letter writings too. Which is why I know democrats are striving with republicans to get immigration done (with a one-handed handshake).

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
14.1.18  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @14.1.2    2 months ago
And maybe CONGRESS including red states should COMPROMISE and fix the ongoing 'perennial' problem. How about that?

No.  They should have kept their mouths shut and abide by the law.  I do have to give them credit.  The "sanctuary city" concept sounded good in theory to the liberal left.  When it come to the execution the failures were exposed.  That's what happens when you flap your gums with empty promises and get called on them.

Pathetic that you can't resist calling a state derogatory terms. It's so "junior high" level!

What's wrong?  Did I not sugar coat it enough for you?  Can't deal with honesty?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
14.1.19  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @14.1.18    2 months ago

What happens is red-state vindictiveness and meaningless political 'wars,' because the immigration 'bottleneck' is still corked at the border. Nothing is resolved by a lack of compromise in the Unites States over immigration.

Honesty? Where? Saying nasty 'hit just because MAGAns can be self-righteous is not honesty, it's just dickish. At the end of the day, Title 42 is coming down and the problem will "present" itself front and center once again.

So now what's the conservative next plan of attack, "Big MAGAn"?!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Sophomore Principal
15  Drinker of the Wry    2 months ago

You want them bussed b ack to AZ, NM, TX?

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Participates
15.1  arkpdx  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @15    2 months ago

I got a better idea. Ship them (the illegals) to Nicaragua, Guatamala, Mexico, Venezuela or where ever it is they came from. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.1.1  CB   replied to  arkpdx @15.1    2 months ago

The problem is not with people wanting to come here. Focus. The issue is the "receiving" nation won't collect itself to fix its immigration policy and make it all encompassing.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Masters Quiet
15.1.2  Jack_TX  replied to  arkpdx @15.1    2 months ago

How about we just set up a check-in station at the border, give them a temporary work permit and send them to one of the millions of US employers who can't find people willing to actually do any work?

 
 
 
George
Freshman Guide
15.1.3  George  replied to  Jack_TX @15.1.2    2 months ago

And give them the opportunity to take the place of those unwilling to work, start kicking out freeloaders.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
15.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  CB @15.1.1    2 months ago
The issue is the "receiving" nation won't collect itself to fix its immigration policy and make it all encompassing.

People keep saying the immigration system is broken.

Why? Because too many choose to flaunt our laws and come here and stay here with liberal blessings,  illegally?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.1.5  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @15.1.4    2 months ago

What's the matter? Conservatives can't 'crack the whip' and get those 'damnable immigrants' under control? What about a bipartisan compromise? Let congress do its job to fix 'stuff.' Else this will remain broken.

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
15.1.6  dennissmith  replied to  CB @15.1.1    2 months ago

We have an immigration system, the government is not enforcing it.

The system in the country the illegals come is where the problem lies. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.1.7  CB   replied to  dennissmith @15.1.6    2 months ago

Then, what plan will congress bring forward to solve the immigration crises back in the offending countries? Enough with the 'sacred cows' on this!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
15.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  CB @15.1.5    2 months ago
What's the matter?

You may have seen it on the news. The matter is there is a crisis on the border now and is probably going to get much worse in the coming months.

Conservatives can't 'crack the whip' and get those 'damnable immigrants' under control?

Perhaps you know that most legislation passed is done so with bipartisan support.

If not, I am sure Democrats would have passed amnesty by now.

Let congress do its job to fix 'stuff.'

If they were willing to do their jobs, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
15.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  CB @15.1.7    2 months ago
Then, what plan will congress bring forward to solve the immigration crises back in the offending countries? Enough with the 'sacred cows' on this!

Why should US taxpayer dollars go to solve other countries' social and economic problems?

We could use the money here better.

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
15.1.10  dennissmith  replied to  CB @15.1.7    2 months ago

It is not up to America to interfere with other countries internal problems. We have and should adhere to our laws which include quotas. Changing the quota's is fine.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.1.11  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @15.1.8    2 months ago

What, then? What the "h" are you going on about with us? We're not elected politicians! Why trouble us?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.1.12  CB   replied to  dennissmith @15.1.6    2 months ago

And what do you insist commenters on NT do about it? Fix the brokenness of congress!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.1.13  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @15.1.9    2 months ago

I am not in congress, so I don't have a solution to offer you about what congress should do.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Sophomore Principal
15.1.14  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @15.1.13    2 months ago

No shit, you should run.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.1.15  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @15.1.14    2 months ago

You first!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Sophomore Principal
15.1.16  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @15.1.15    2 months ago

I’m not as well spoken as you.

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
15.1.17  dennissmith  replied to  CB @15.1.12    2 months ago

For starters, stop voting straight party tickets.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.1.18  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @15.1.16    2 months ago

Is being articulate a requirement?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.1.19  CB   replied to  dennissmith @15.1.17    2 months ago

You first!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
15.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  CB @15.1.11    2 months ago
What, then? What the "h" are you going on about with us? We're not elected politicians! Why trouble us?

Please try to follow along and keep up.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
15.1.21  Texan1211  replied to  CB @15.1.13    2 months ago
I am not in congress, so I don't have a solution to offer you about what congress should do.

So just another complainer with no solutions. Got it.

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
15.1.22  dennissmith  replied to  CB @15.1.19    2 months ago

2022 was the first and last election I have ever voted straight party ticket. Biden is the reason.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.1.23  CB   replied to  dennissmith @15.1.22    2 months ago

Let me put your mind at ease. Republicans get my vote when they start making sense for the whole of the country and not just MAGAns. Got it? Other than this, for me, voting is not complicated. Even if I don't know the democrat, the brand holds, against the republican political brand.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.1.24  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @15.1.21    2 months ago

When you get to (back) to congress vote away! For something reasonable for the whole of the country, of course!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
15.1.25  Texan1211  replied to  CB @15.1.24    2 months ago
When you get to (back) to congress vote away!

Please explain what you think that means.

For something reasonable for the whole of the country, of course!

I find border security something reasonable for the whole country. Why don't you?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
15.1.26  Texan1211  replied to  CB @15.1.23    2 months ago
Republicans get my vote when they start making sense for the whole of the country and not just MAGAns.

So border security doesn't make sense for the whole of the country to you. Can you tell me why anyone in America would possibly have a problem with it? What is their agenda that enforcing laws is going to hurt?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.1.27  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @15.1.25    2 months ago

What are you waiting on, ask, demand, congress to compromise and fix the immigration and border issues. It's all of their jobs!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.1.28  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @15.1.26    2 months ago

More inane questions. See 15.1.27

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
15.1.29  Texan1211  replied to  CB @15.1.27    2 months ago
What are you waiting on, ask, demand, congress to compromise and fix the immigration and border issues

I support people who are willing to secure the border.

I refuse to support progressives, liberals, and Democrats who want to 'fix' it through amnesty.

Secure the border first, then we can see about other stuff.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
15.1.30  Texan1211  replied to  CB @15.1.28    2 months ago
More inane questions. See 15.1.27

Doesn't matter, you never answer anyways, just deflect.

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
15.1.31  dennissmith  replied to  CB @15.1.23    2 months ago

Have you ever voted for a Republican? 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.1.32  CB   replied to  dennissmith @15.1.31    2 months ago

Yep. I voted for Ronald Reagan, the first term. Carter was a nice man, but heavily religious 'convicted' Christians should not/can not wage necessary wars. I voted for George W. Bush, the first time. Bill Clinton lied about Monica Lewinsky and I believed his 'wagging finger' until it was revealed he was a brazen liar. How can I help you?

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
16  Thrawn 31    2 months ago

Look, if we are going to allow a bunch of immigrants in then we need to know what farms and fields they are gonna be working. They need to have a place to go. And yes I am totally saying we should use illegal immigrants as field labor.

Pay them a fair wage of course and treat them properly according to our laws, but we have a significant labor shortage when it comes to farm/field work and a lot of these people are willing to do it. seems to me everyone wi s here, they enter the country, we fill a labor gap.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
16.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Thrawn 31 @16    2 months ago

 that system already exists , and is completely volentary on the legal immigrants part, those that actually follow what the current law is? that thing . they even have different types of visas pertaining to that .

What you are suggesting , to me with those that do not legally go through the ports and do things as the law states currently , would amount to involentary endentured servituded , in other words , slavery, which has been illegal for some time now in this country  .

 
 

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