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The unrelenting pursuit of peace

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  last year  •  73 comments

The unrelenting pursuit of peace
[The New York Times]: Trump says he’ll soon bring the Ukrainian and Russian presidents together. “If you like, I’ll go to that meeting,” Trump told Zelensky. (“Ukraine will be happy if you participate,” Zelensky responded.) It would be the first face-to-face for the adversaries since 2019, three years before Putin invaded Ukraine. “If we have a trilat,” Trump said, “there’s a good chance of maybe ending it.”

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At what point can one declare the President's obsession with getting a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia a fool's errand?

One member here recently pointed out that Trump said that if he didn't get a cease fire out of the Alaska meeting, he would impose additional sanctions on Russia. Of course, he didn't get that commitment from Putin and he didn't impose the sanctions. I'm disappointed and there is no way I can call that meeting a success.

From there the President held a meeting with Zelensky and European leaders at the White House yesterday. By now all those who attended know how much Trump loves flattery and they heaped it upon him. Zelensky, mindful of the February meeting when he came to the White House in fatigues, came wearing a suit. All of them wanted to emphasize the ultimate Ukrainian demand for security. Trump, avoided answering a question on deploying US troops seemed enthusiastic about European troops acting as a peace keeping mission in Ukraine, something the Russians have called unacceptable.

There is one other thing that was noteworthy. Putin has always said that Ukraine cannot be a NATO member. Many NATO members have secretly implied they don't want Ukraine in NATO. While Trump assured Putin that Ukraine wasn't joining NATO, he said yesterday that security for Ukraine could be "NATO like." That is called threading the needle.


In other news:

Israel is involved in talks to help send Gazans to South Sudan.

Hurricane Erin is heading eastward with rain and heavy winds.

Firefighters are battling fires in Spain as Europe deals with sweltering heat.


The governors of Mississippi & Louisiana will send National Guard troops to Washington DC.

Texas Democrats ended their two weeks walk out allowing Republicans to pass a gerrymandered congressional map.

Air Canada reached a tentative deal to end the flight attendant's strike.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    last year

Good morning and welcome to the news.

I will give our readers a chance to read the letter Melania Trump sent to Vladimir Putin:

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devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year

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JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    last year
 By now all those who attended know how much Trump loves flattery and they heaped it upon him. 

If you treat him like a needy nine year old your chances are better. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @2    last year

Biden isn't in office anymore. Strange....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    last year

It was good to see Zelensky in a suit ... and thanking Trump over & over again/

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.3  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @2    last year
If you treat him like a needy nine year old your chances are better. 

So, why don't the European leaders and Zelensky thank the United States and acknowledge Joe Biden's leadership?  The Russian invasion happened on Biden's watch.  Joe Biden orchestrated the response to the Russian invasion.  Why isn't Europe grateful for what Joe Biden did?

None of the Europeans need to thank Trump.  They could thank the United States without mentioning Trump.  By thanking the United States they would acknowledge and show respect for Joe Biden's leadership.  Maybe they don't respect Joe Biden, after all.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.3.1  Jack_TX  replied to  Nerm_L @2.3    last year
The Russian invasion happened on Biden's watch.

Are you talking about Donbas or Crimea?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3  Jeremy Retired in NC    last year
Trump, avoided answering a question on deploying US troops seemed enthusiastic about European troops acting as a peace keeping mission in Ukraine

This is not a war the US should be involved in any more than we already have.  European nations should and need to take the lead in these operations.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3    last year

I fear that the only line Putin won't cross is US troops.

The good part is that MAGA won't allow Trump to go that far.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    last year
I fear that the only line Putin won't cross is US troops

The US has Russia beat in terms of technological and tactical standpoints.  Especially after having 3 years as a spectator to learn Russia's tactics.  The US forces are so widespread it would be very difficult for Russia to repel any aggressions in their home country.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.1    last year

The US military does have a great global presence.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    last year

And far better response time than most.  Look how fast the 82d Airborne was able to get to Afghanistan for the Biden directed retreat.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4  author  Vic Eldred    last year

This just in:

"A truck driver has been arrested and charged with vehicular homicide following a fatal crash on Florida's Turnpike in St. Lucie County.

The  crash happened on August 12th  when the commercial semi-truck, driven by Harjinder Singh, was in the middle of making an illegal U-turn.

That's when an oncoming minivan crashed into the side of the trailer, killing three people.

State Troopers charged Singh with three counts of vehicular homicide.

During the investigation, it was discovered that Singh had entered the United States illegally in 2018 by crossing the Mexico border in California.

It was learned that he later obtained a Commercial Driver's License in California.

Kristi Noem, Secretary of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, posted on X that the three people died because of Gov. Newsom allowing illegal aliens to obtain commercial licenses."

California big rig driver in the country illegally arrested after fatal crash in Florida

Imagine giving an illegal migrant a Commercial Driver's License?

I thought they only did work that Americans didn't want?

 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    last year
Gov. Newsom allowing illegal aliens to obtain commercial licenses."

They are the constituency he works hardest to keep happy. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1    last year

Illegals, criminals and the homeless top the list.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    last year
It was learned that he later obtained a Commercial Driver's License in California.

The fact that he obtained the CDL and was working indicates that a lot of forged documents had to be submitted.  And not just by the illegal.  

I would LOVE to see his Driver Qualification File.  

Kristi Noem, Secretary of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, posted on X that the three people died because of Gov. Newsom allowing illegal aliens to obtain commercial licenses."

That's democrat policies at work.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2    last year

Trying to make a U-turn on a highway with a big rig, tells me he lacked even a basic knowledge of driving. Evidently, he was shown the gas pedal and the brake, and it was welcome to America via Newsom.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.1    last year
Trying to make a U-turn on a highway with a big rig, tells me he lacked even a basic knowledge of driving.

At least basic knowledge of driving in the US.  There are different standards for different countries and they are not always good.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.2.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.2    last year

different standards for different countries and they are not always good.

Applies to how other countries value human life too. The absolute total lack of reaction by the driver  at killing three people is  wild. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.2    last year
There are different standards for different countries and they are not always good.

I can't imagine any country allowing a big rig to make a U-turn on a highway. It is total insanity.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.2.3    last year
The absolute total lack of reaction by the driver  at killing three people is also wild. 

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I'm sure his defenders will display the same lack of compassion.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.4    last year

I've worked with truck drivers from all over the world.  Some of their standards scared the hell out of me. 

Watched on driver use bailing wire to secure a bulldozer to a flat be trailer then go 60 MPH down the road.

Watched another have so much cargo it was hanging off the side of the truck that he couldn't get to more than 30 MPH.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.2.3    last year
I can't imagine any country allowing a big rig to make a U-turn on a highway.

His lack of reaction stood out for me as well.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.5    last year
I'm sure his defenders will display the same lack of compassion.

Oh they will be the ones shrieking that "he's an asylum seeker trying to better his lift".  And it will be the normal crowd as well.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.6    last year

In the old days they were generally good guys.

Like Trump, they had a heart of gold (Lol)

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.9    last year
In the old days they were generally good guys.

They did.  Friendly, dependable, etc.  Now, not so much.

Like Trump, they had a heart of gold (Lol)

Careful, you may make some people set their hair on fire.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.10    last year

LMAO!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.2.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.5    last year

The state of Washington also illegally gave him a CDL

 
 
 
Gazoo
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4.2.13  Gazoo  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.2.12    last year

Washington is just as f’ed up as california.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    last year

Illegal migrant truck driver suspect in deadly Florida crash was given work permit under Biden after being denied by Trump: DHS

The Indian national was previously   processed for deportation, but was able to stay after claiming he feared being sent back home. Singh was later released on a $5,000 immigration bond in January 2019 and still awaits a decision on his asylum case.

After receiving his work permit in June 2021, Singh was able to secure a Commercial Driver’s License in California, according to DHS.

Safe to say his "asylum case" just got thrown in the trash.  Hopefully the FMCSA steps in and takes appropriate action.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.3    last year

And make sure our readers get to see a glimpse of what happened to innocent Americans traveling behind him:

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Gazoo
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4.3.2  Gazoo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.3.1    last year

I’m surprised we haven’t heard the old “so only illegal truckers kill Americans in accidents”? Or “so it’s only bad when an illegal does it”?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5  Sean Treacy    last year

 Europe deals with sweltering heat.

They really need to develop air conditioning.  Too many needless deaths from mild heat. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @5    last year

I guess taking naps won't cut it anymore.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6  author  Vic Eldred    last year

"Illinois Gov.  J.B. Pritzker , a major Democratic leader and rumored presidential candidate, signed a bill into law opening student financial aid to all residents, regardless of immigration status, opening a pathway for illegal immigrants residing in the state to receive educational financial benefits."

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Democratic governor signs bill extending financial aid to illegal immigrants | Fox News

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    last year

Another policy to screw middle class Americans in favor of illegals. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1    last year

Don't forget ... America was "evil" since it began / S

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1    last year

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    last year
student financial aid to all residents, regardless of immigration status

Residents regardless of immigration status? it's one or the other. Either residents or illegals. [deleted][✘]

 
 
 
Snuffy
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6.2.1  Snuffy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.2    last year

This encapsulates the issue I have with Democrats. They toss around money with the idea that they can always just tax people more or borrow more money and the piper's bill will never come due. This is not to say Republicans today are any better at fiscal management. Both sides have overspent tax dollars in order to win more votes and have put our future so far underwater that it may never be repaid. The government cannot pay for everything without increasing the impact it will have on our future. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.2    last year

Clearly the democrats want to erase all that separates residents from citizens.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7  author  Vic Eldred    last year

"The decades-long marriage between NBC and MSNBC is steadily headed towards a corporate divorce as parent company Comcast continues its NBCUniversal split, separating the famed Peacock brand from the majority of its cable assets. 

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Last year, Comcast   announced it was spinning off   its cable networks into a separate company, now named Versant. Versant will be the new home for MSNBC, CNBC, USA Network, Oxygen, E!, SYFY and the Golf Channel among other assets, while NBCUniversal maintains NBC News, the NBC News Now streaming network, Telemundo and Bravo. 

For years, NBC and MSNBC were joined at the hip as the cable network relied on the news-gathering operation and talent of its sister broadcast network. But the separation is expected to be completed by the end of 2025. "


Who gets what in the messy NBC-MSNBC divorce? | Fox News

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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7.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    last year

And MSNBC (aka MSDNC) is changing the name to MS NOW (News, Opinion, World). Guess they need to change that MSNBC due to recognition. A lot of people shifted their views on that bastion of Democrat rah rahs and decided to jump ship. Do they really think this rebrand is going to change the guts of the operation? Probably not until some of their "experts" join Joy Reed on the "But I've got a Podcast" ranks.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1    last year
. MSNOW

Sounds like they are demanding Multiple Sclerosis. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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7.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1.1    last year

My first thought too.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1.1    last year
MS NOW (News, Opinion, World)

So...Mostly Shit NOW.  Same garbage just a different name.  No news and A LOT of opinion.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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7.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    last year
Versant will be the new home for MSNBC, CNBC, USA Network, Oxygen, E!, SYFY and the Golf Channel

That may be the strangest set of bedfellows I've seen in a long time.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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8  Nerm_L    last year

I suspect Putin had to explain the implications of a ceasefire to Trump.  And the political leaders jockeying for the dominant spot in Europe only see a ceasefire as a wedge to score political points.

A ceasefire would freeze the line of contact where it is.  While that would hold Russia to that line, the ceasefire also means Ukraine could not recapture occupied territory without violating a ceasefire.  A ceasefire would cede the occupied territory to Russia.

  The politicians attempting to use Ukraine for other purposes ignore that there really are Ukrainians fighting Ukrainians.  Neither Kiev or Moscow have complete control over the front line.  There were numerous ceasefires during the 8 year war in Donbas.  None of them held more than 24 hours; some held less than an hour.  There was an OSCE Monitoring mission similar to what is being proposed now, too.

Eventually everyone is going to return to the Minsk Agreements.  All sides are inching closer to full implementation of the Minsk Agreements.  At least now we have a clearer idea of how the war will end.  Like it or not, the Minsk Agreements that Obama attempted to scuttle are becoming a roadmap for the end of the war.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @8    last year

I think Putin has rejected a ceasefire and claims he was a settlement.

I think we can all see why only Trump can end this war, if that is even possible. Zelensky and Putin hate each other. It will be difficult just to get them to sit down together. I think Zelensky trusts Trump. I think Putin somewhat trusts Trump but not the US. He must think about what comes after Trump. Right now, as fast as Trump is trying to move this, there is little the two sides agree upon.

Here is the thing, Nerm: Trump has a very dangerous card in his hand. It is called secondary tariffs. That means no trade between two nations based upon one trading with/aiding Russia. Those tariffs hurt everyone involved and they would be applied to India & China, which comprise about 45% of the world's population. It would be a drastic move. Trump already hit India with it. Does he dare drop the other shoe?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9  author  Vic Eldred    last year

"A social media account run by the press office of California Gov.  Gavin Newsom  (D) knocked Fox News anchor  Dana Perino  after she criticized the  Democrat’s press strategy .

“ALMOST A WEEK IN AND THEY STILL DON’T GET IT,” the governor’s office  wrote Monday on social platform X  in response to a segment on Fox’s daytime table talk program “The Five.”

During the segment, Perino, who served as a top White House aide during former President  George W. Bush’s  administration, said Newsom and his team “have to stop it with the Twitter thing.”

“I don’t know where his wife is,” she continued. “If I were his wife, I would say you are making a fool of yourself, stop it.”

Newsom’s press account has in recent days  made a series of posts  mocking  President Trump  and  his administration , writing in all caps — the president’s signature style — and attacking Fox News and its hosts directly.

“DONALD TRUMP, THE LOWEST POLLING PRESIDENT IN RECENT HISTORY, THIS IS YOUR SECOND-TO-LAST WARNING!!! (THE NEXT ONE IS THE LAST ONE!),” Newsom’s press office  posted on X . “STAND DOWN NOW OR CALIFORNIA WILL COUNTER-STRIKE (LEGALLY!) TO DESTROY YOUR ILLEGAL CROOKED MAPS IN RED STATES.”

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“He’s got a big job as governor of California, but if he wants an even bigger job, he has to be a little bit more serious,” Perino said.

Gavin Newsom's press team hits Fox's Dana Perino over criticism


IMHO Dana Perino is the most intelligent woman doing the work of news analysis.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @9    last year
“DONALD TRUMP, THE LOWEST POLLING PRESIDENT IN RECENT HISTORY, THIS IS YOUR SECOND-TO-LAST WARNING!!! (THE NEXT ONE IS THE LAST ONE!),” Newsom’s press office  posted on X .

That reminds me of the "Taunting Frenchmen" from Monty Python.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @9    last year
IMHO Dana Perino is the most intelligent woman doing the work of news analysis.

LOL. Her comments are about the stupidest and most dishonest things I've seen in a while.   Where is her outrage over Trump tweeting out idiotic garbage all day every day?   Doesnt he have a more important job that Newsom? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2    last year

Perrino joined the Maralago look ladies

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Is this the 21st century version of the stepford wives? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2.1    last year

she was a nice looking woman a couple years ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2    last year
Her comments are about the stupidest and most dishonest things I've seen in a while.

Las one I remember doing that was KJP.  

Where is her outrage over Trump tweeting out idiotic garbage all day every day?

Why should we cover that when you have the "Freak Out Of The Day"?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.2.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2    last year
Her comments are about the stupidest and most dishonest things I've seen in a while.

Example please

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2.2    last year

She is like a fine wine. Still beautiful, still highly intelligent and still the best of all the White House Press Secretaries.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.2.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.2.4    last year
“He’s got a big job as governor of California, but if he wants an even bigger job, he has to be a little bit more serious,” Perino said.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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9.2.7  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2.6    last year

He's a nice-looking guy, but a total failure as a leader.

California is worst run state in the US

 
 
 
JBB
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9.2.8  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @9.2.7    last year

That is objectively untrue. The worst run states are Louisiana and Mississippi...

And, California is not even in the running. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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9.2.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @9.2.8    last year

It’s so well run they must have rebuilt all the houses that burned down in the wildfires by now right? That’s the test of a good government. Im sure everyone in back in their houses that were destroyed months ago. 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
9.2.10  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.2.9    last year

That does not even make any sense. The state is not responsible to rebuild homes after disasters. Has Texas rebuilt all the homes damaged by floods? There are literally thousands of hurricane damaged homes in Florida and anotheris already on its way there now. By all the legitimate measures California is better run and its citizens are happier than in most red states. Go back to the drawing board.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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9.2.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @9.2.10    last year

You know the government controls the building process right?  You can't just build a house because you want to. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.3  Jack_TX  replied to  Vic Eldred @9    last year
“He’s got a big job as governor of California, but if he wants an even bigger job, he has to be a little bit more serious,” Perino said.

Erm.... 

Present evidence would suggest otherwise.  

 
 
 
Snuffy
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10  Snuffy    last year
I'm disappointed and there is no way I can call that meeting a success.

While there are many who will ignore the following article due to the "partisan stance" of the writer, I think this is an excellent column about the state of our main-stream media and the surrender of common sense by those who match the partisan stance and are looking for validation of their echo chamber. The ability for one to think for themselves seems to be a lost art among so many citizens. We see it daily all around us by those who "know" what the other is thinking or planning or just how disastrous the future will be because of any individual. I myself wonder why all these prognosticators are not winning the lottery jackpots on a regular basis.

"To know what you know and what you do not know, that is true knowledge" is a saying attributed to Confucius, versions of which are also in the writings of Plato and probably every great thinker among the ancients.

Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld added his own   famous riff   on the question of knowing. This came when "Rummy" was addressing the press on February 12, 2002:

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tends to be the difficult ones."

Reminding everyone about the old wisdom and Secretary Rumsfeld’s reframing of that learning is useful in the aftermath of President   Donald Trump ’s meeting with Russian dictator Putin last week and his meeting yesterday with Ukraine’s President Zelenskyy and other European leaders.

Unless you were present in both meetings, you don’t know the   state of any negotiations   over the effort to end the combat inside both countries. Many reporters have purported to "know" what they cannot possibly know: What Trump, Putin and Zelenskyy are thinking and what may follow these meetings.

There is certainly a sincere desire to know. There are also "sources" willing to claim "knowledge" of what happened and to feed it to their preferred reporters.

But even the   best sourced reporters   cannot know what the state of play is because the public’s "not knowing" is the essence of high-stakes diplomacy, and such diplomacy is built on secrecy and misdirection.

This is a reminder to check your media sources. If any of them are telling you what happened in Alaska last week or in Washington on Monday, you should reassess your use of that platform or at least the bylines purporting to know what is unknown.

Reporters claiming inside knowledge are either being played or being paid for clicks. This is a perfect opportunity to weed your feeds and your subscription list. Lose the folks pretending to have telepathy or knowledge that could not responsibly be shared. Such "reporting" is worse than no reporting at all.

Don’t be fooled: Trump’s talks with Putin and Zelensky leave media in the dark | Fox News

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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10.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Snuffy @10    last year

Thank you, Sir.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @10    last year

Its possible Trump is having success with Putin behind the scenes. Anything is possible . It is possible they are kissing and exchanging jewelry behind the scenes.  People who say Trump sucks up to Putin base it on years and years of observation. But anything is possible, and lets hope it stops the killing. How about a cease fire TODAY ? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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10.2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @10.2    last year

How about a ceasefire would be worthless? They and others have pretty much squelched that deal, knowing that the other, either side would eventually break it. We are dealing with a bit higher military power than Hamas.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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10.2.2  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @10.2    last year

I'm don't believe either side wants a cease fire. The downside is that it would freeze the front-lines before negotiation and prevent either side from gaining more land before final negotiations. 

People who say Trump sucks up to Putin base it on years and years of observation.

Yeah, based on what is said and reported which is also based on the bias of the reporting as well as those who read it. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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11  Jeremy Retired in NC    last year

Time for a laugh, here's the most recent "Lefties Losing It"

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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11.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11    last year

Only to be topped by the democrat redistricting fundraiser now taking place at the Obama mansion on Martha's Vineyard.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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12  author  Vic Eldred    last year

I want to make sure I include this breaking news story:

"Federal prosecutors have opened an investigation into whether police officials in Washington, D.C., manipulated crime statistics."

Trump administration probes DC police over alleged crime data manipulation

 
 
 
JBB
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13  JBB    last year

Remember Remember Don Trump Last November!

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