The illusive obvious motive
By now everyone is aware of the horrific shooting that took place today on the third day of school at a Catholic school in Minneapolis. The shooter fired into a church during a private children's mass killing two young students and wounding 17 other children and adults. Many logically suspected that at the very least this was someone who hated the Catholic Church. I know that there must be some mental illness involved, but even with that there are sometimes ideological underpinnings.
It didn't take long for the media to discover that the shooter, who committed suicide, had his name changed in 2019 because he associated as a female. Thus, Robert Westman became Robin Westman. His mother signed the court documents. He and his mother apparently were once employed by the school. All of which was news to the Minneapolis police department. Thank God the FBI is in on the case.
A press conference was held at about 2:45 PM EST. There the Governor deleted TOS [ph} Tim Walz expressed his sympathies. Mayor Jacob Frey (running for mayor again) told reporters that he was concerned about hate directed against our transgender community. Then his Chief of Police told reporters that they had a manifesto that the shooter posted on YouTube. They asked the FBI to help them take it down. Fox News has since posted portions of it which indicate that the shooter wanted President Trump killed and stated that 6 million people was not enough. The Chief didn't seem to know that the shooter had a second name. He was still in a quandary as to the motive.
The FBI Director isn't so dumbfounded:
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I don't know what an X site like patriot takes has to do with it. That won't do it John. He was another leftist trans murderer.
BTW, this was a hate crime.
I watched the video , he asks the viewer to vote for Brandon Herrera for president. Patriot Takes has nothing to do with it.
And the reason was because they shared antisemitic views.
You see John, you can't make blue into red. Westman was a hate-filled maniac.
How do we know it's not a disgruntled former employee?
Seems like Brandon Herrera doesn't remember that meeting.
And unless she attended under a different name, her name does not show up on the attendance list.
It is possible, but based upon his writings, highly unlikely. He wanted to kill Trump.
I found it for you John:
"In 2023, three years after Westman legally changed his name from Robert to Robin, Heleringer condemned conservative Republicans’ “vendetta” against the LGBTQ+ community and their identities that he asserted were “nobody’s public business.”
Mom of Minneapolis mass shooter Robin Westman worked at Catholic school where he opened fire, killing 2 kids: police
Thats why he liked him. Not because he was Republican!
How did you miss that John?
The killer specifically asks the viewers of his video to vote for Herrera for president. Herrera's opinion on that recommendation is irrelevant.
Except that Herrera wasn't making an opinion on the video, he was saying he didn't remember meeting the shooter at all and said everybody around him also didn't remember it. That by itself isn't surprising, I am willing to bet that you have met people previously who would remember you but you wouldn't.
But Herrera has some backup where the people who manage the show stated that the shooter's name did not appear on any attendee list and as the show is not open to the public (ie, you must buy a membership to attend) the shooter has no evidence she was ever at the show.
JR why are you deflecting and trying to blame someone else?
Sounds like Trump was just one on a pretty long list.
Speaking of which, I have not located the video or writings which others are mentioning. Can someone post 'it'?! (I post or link to important factual pieces to facilitate honest discussion all the time.) Help!
Well, why did she shoot up a sanctuary and kill herself? Seems like a funny way to go about it.
Because "she" was mentally ill....
Obviously she was disturbed. The fact or not that she was leftist and trans are probably of less importance. Except to you. To you they are of extreme significance, and we all know why.
Mentally ill and trans are different. It is possible for one to be true without the other also being true.
He knows that, and yet the narrative comes FIRST!
Who is "she"?
The person that did this horrific act was a mentally ill guy
You can't be one without being the other.
You need to stop calling trans-people mentally ill! Why? Because it is hateful, mean-spirited, and diabolical. And I condemn it here and anywhere!
Saying six million wasnt enough is not a trans sentiment, it is a Nazi sentiment. On his guns and gear he has references to Andres Brevik ("hail Brevik") a white supremacist mass murderer in Europe, he advocates violence against hispanics, and scrawls on his guns in Russian.
The dishonest right wing media is focusing on the "kill Donald Trump" scrawl, but that is a small part of everything he wrote on his weapons.
It is more than that. It is a Hamas sentiment as well. Killing Catholics is an anti-Catholic sentiment. Wanting Trump killed is an anti-American sentiment.
This sounds like another hate-filled trans maniac filled with leftwing ideology.
Let's see: First it was Uvalde and then Nashville. It can't be hidden anymore!
LOL.
In his video he literally asks the viewer to vote for a far right gun advocate to be president, Brandon Herrera.
In his screwed-up mind he may not have even known that Herrera was Republican. You don't even know why he was advocating for him.
His murderous actions demonstrate his motivation.
LOL.
This isn't a laughing matter. The left's hate filled over the top rhetoric has to end.
So, you answered your own question. He like Westman was an anti-Semite.
This person was evil. Most likely because he became obsessed with guns. His ideology is all over the place.
It was leftwing and he was the third trans mass murderer.
He was also anti-hispanic , and anti racial minorities in general. He literally writes "hail Breivik"
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But he killed Catholic children John.
Why them?
I am sickened by this. All this 'trauma' in our country is getting the best of us. This individual is mentally sick! Our national health status: SICK.
Political warfare is 'dropping' us out one by one. We better fight back for our individual mental health is at stake.
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Personally, I think trying to pin this guy down as either left or right is simply self-serving at this point. From all I have seen, this guy was simply too mentally disturbed to conveniently pigeonhole. He seems to exhibit characteristics from both sides and, likely, some things that don't fit into either side. This guy's mind seemed to be a bag of feral cats.
One has to wonder if the shooter was under any type of mental treatment which has not been reported by any news agency that I've seen and if so what if any drugs for mental conditions was she taking. Minnesota has red flag laws, where and with how was the shooter living with? Only job reported that I've seen was a short-lived one so where was she getting the money? Who was around her that should have noticed these issues in order to get her help and in order to help prevent this shooting? Was a blind eye just turned towards everything?
Couldn't say, but my guess is that by the apparent lack of any criminal record concerning this guy's history, which often results from mental issues one would assume from someone like this, he kept his problem pretty well hidden. I'm speculating here, but I wouldn't be surprised if social media was his main outlet/pressure relief valve for whatever was going on in his mind, until it got too much and this happened. Just guessing.
What about yours?
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All morning, they were agreeing that it was horrific. Now they are jumping through hoops to deny that Westman was what he was.
Well, that didn’t take long.
Two innocent children dead, families forever shattered and some are barely containing their glee that the perpetrator was “another hate-filled trans maniac filled with leftwing ideology…”
Pathetic does not begin to describe the horror in thusly celebrating.
Thanks, as soon as the facts came in, I made them known.
Please tell the Minneapolis Police Chief.
I felt the same level of disgust when my LW friends were busy making political statements about the flooding that killed those little girls at Camp Mystic.
Politicizing tragedy is unhappily an all to common disgusting occurrence.
We're stooping so low in the United States right now. . . that it has real danger of 'breaking' us. Straighten up people. This political in-fighting is definitely taking a toll on society. Something appears to be SERIOUSLY wrong with this nation. Perhaps all our freedom and no ongoing war is causing us to 'eat' our own.
So the response to the murder of two innocent kids and an attack on a Mass from democratic politicians and pundits has been to:
1. Mock the kids and everyone else for praying.
2. Blame Republicans.
3. Call the "trans community" victims.
It'd be nice if Democrats could be as angry at the shooter as they are at the community that was attacked for praying.
he attended the school, and his mother had worked there. did he choose it to attack because it is a catholic school or because it is the only grammar school he thought about ?
He wrote "where is your god" on a magazine, which is the same message democratic politicians and pundits are using to attack people for praying. Does it bother you that Democrats politicians messaging lines up so neatly with the shooters?
Its possible that he shot up that church at random solely because the Catholic Church doesnt approve of transgender. Its also possible that was not the reason. Maybe he hated his 6th grade teacher. Maybe he thought someone there disrespected his mom. Maybe he just wanted to kill kids and this was a place that he was familiar with.
. If a shooter whose manifesto included him throwing a knife at a depiction of Mohammed shot up a mosque with Muslims at prayer, would democratic politicians and pundits mock them for praying to Allah? Why are Democrats so comfortable attacking Christians for praying, within hours of kids being shot in the middle of mass?
I didnt see anyone mock the children for being in church praying, what are you talking about?
The Minneapolis Mayor, Jen Psaki etc etc.
Seriously John, if this was an attack on a mosque by an anti- muslim bigot, would the mayor be out there saying praying to Allah does nothing?
Of course not.
Your "Christians" have a long and documented history of "praying" after every school shooting, Catholic, protestant or atheist. Parochial school or public school. The mayor of Minneapolis was mocking the idea that thoughts and prayers is the best course of action as an answer to these shootings. I doubt if the Christian God minded him saying that.
I dont even know why you think you have a point. What if it was a public school and the prayer contingent were mocked for "thoughts and prayers"? Oh wait, that has already happened, a number of times.
I know Democrats mock Christians for praying. That's old news. That the Democrats message is essentially the same as the one found on the shooter's magazine is not a surprise.
Answer the question now. Would they say the same to Muslims after a terrorist attack on a mosque? Why are Democrats so happy to demean Christians but not Muslims? Cowardice? Bigotry? I'm curious why you find the double standard acceptable.
What double standard? All you are doing is speculating about what they would say to Muslims.
The mayor of Minneapolis found some kind of irony in Republicans saying they were going to pray for people who were killed while praying. How about we do something else to stop school shootings.
There've been shootings at mosques John. When have Democratic politicians taunted Muslims because Allah didn't stop them?
nd some kind of irony in Republicans saying they were going to pray for people who were killed while praying
Aren't you a Catholic? Weren't you taught to pray for the dead? You okay with your heroes mocking your beliefs (assuming you believe in prayer ) ?
You need to get some background on what the mayor is upset about. His comments are appropriate. This is more about action (that I, for one, won't be waiting on happening). I am done with platitudes. . . I pray for school children in my prayer group often before it happens. . . and I will not be praying after their loss.
And no, I expect nothing will change about guns or fools that use them to hurt people. Today somebody else. . . tomorrow who knows?
Emphatically. The mayor is expressing his angst in a time of tragedy.
We have people here solely looking to do "damage control" around gun discussion. So now we can't say enough with the PLATITUDES? Why? Because the usual folks want PLATITUDES to hold their hands and fill the empty void. . .and apparently ours too.
Well, I don't need any 'stinkin' platitude!
You have a snuck premise in your opening. Prove that all democrats mock praying.
I am a 'democrat' because right now the only two parties prevalent are republicans and democrats. . . and I will not vote for any republican at this point. I am a Christian also. I lead a prayer group weekly for nearly twenty years now to the Christian God. I last prayed, past tense, about school shooting protections before the 2025 school season just starting up.
So your blanket statement is an insult.
That said, as a matter of principle I do not believe in PLATITUDES or such foolishness as a means to an end. I will know when prayers and thoughts are working in good order when congress have a 'break through' on how to end school shootings. . . and the mental illness that causes them.
The mayor makes a solid point. Those people, much like when Dylan Roof walked into a prayer setting, read scripture, heard prayers and Christian commentary, and was surrounded by prayers and warm feelings in a church. . .and killed 9 people where they 'stood' in the chapel.
What are these killings signifying. . .that the "house of the Lord" has no supernatural protection from murderers whom do not respect the place.
What is wrong with this statement? It presumes that "all" republicans are Christians and pray. . .and we know that is not true since quite a few of conservatives here claim to be atheist. Why not accuse them of mocking Christians that pray too?
It's reported that she also has a manifesto that is currently in the hands of the FBI. Will that ever be released? To the best of my knowledge, they never did release the manifesto of Audrey Hale who was the Nashville shooter. They also don't release the toxicologic screening of the shooters. Was this individual on any drugs for her obvious mental issues.
Those in charge really seem to sweep all such things under the rug. So I doubt if they will ever release a motive if they find one.
Vic, be clear, did you call Governor Walz a "fairy" in your write-up?!
My brothers in the hood know what I meant.
You have brothers in the 'hood'? I doubt it because a brother in the hood would have answered the question!
Vic, it is conservatives who regularly insist that gun violence is done by the individual not any collective. Do you think it is hypocritical to bring up "ideology" when you have not been provided any by authorities? Have you any professional or personal knowledge of ideological 'bent' being involved in this shooting?
Moreover, according to conservative 'thought' this shooter, a male identifying as female, does not represent trans-people or do this in the name of trans-people and the shameless should love God to much to insinuate a class of people by the actions of one individual willing to maim and murder. That said, the one thing these shooters all have in common: A gun or multiple guns-by definition.
"Melania Trump called for the U.S. to start focusing on early-warning systems following the tragic mass shooting Wednesday at a Catholic school in Minnesota .
The first lady says that too often clear signals of violent behavior are evident but overlooked.
“The tragic mass killing in Minnesota illuminates the need for pre-emptive intervention in identifying potential school shooters. Early warning signs are often evident, with many individuals exhibiting concerning behaviors and making violent threats online prior to their actions,” her post said.
She also urged a nationwide push for behavioral threat assessments.
“To prevent future tragedies, it is crucial we look into behavioral threat assessments across all levels of society — beginning in our homes, extending through school districts and of course, social media platforms. Being aware of these warning signs and acting quickly can save lives and make American communities safer.”
The shooting in Minnesota has sparked debates regarding school safety and what bystanders can do to spot the red flags in advance.
It was noted by Minneapolis Police that 23-year-old Robin Westman the shooter had made troubling messages on social media leading up to the attack.
Trump’s comments echo the theme she championed as the first lady, the “Be Best” initiative, which focused in part on online behavior and children’s mental health."
Annunciation church shooting: 2 children dead in Minneapolis shooting, 17 injured | Live Updates from Fox News Digital
When is going to argue for gun control ?
When are we going to bring back mental institutions. This individual was clearly deranged, though also influenced by far left talking points.
You mean nobody noticed it?
I hate to say it, but just looking at his picture should tell you that he's insane.
The president of the United States is deranged. No one has noticed him yet.
Oh, it's the President who is deranged.
BTW, here is the lieutenant Governor of Minnesota:
You can not let your biases go for any ng of time can you. We are mentally if not physically exhausted fighting back against conservative judgements or agenda remarks. Just talk and leave the bias/agenda out, please! It is enough already. We get it. You do not have any use for others whom live in this country and strive to belong just like you. Do not let it always be about someone else destruction!
I do not know what she specifically has to do with this. You may or may not know that I like to leave "first ladies" out of policy-making bru-ha-ha as they are not the elected official anyone voted for and come as a 'bonus' to the political 'endeavor' to their. . . spouse. So, I have questions about how deep or how much depth into the public and individuals she is suggesting her husband and possibly a republican congress or state government go into civilian private lives.
Thus, it depends on operational actions to be taken whether or not this can work as a solution. Or, is it a solution going in search of a problem!
Enough of this kind of back and forth. The Lt. Governor 'protection' statement for transgendered kids goes too far. Worse, she has not made any statement (beyond "protection") which I can find. I condemn this t-shirt as promoting the problem and not any way helping trans-kids specifically or possibly overall.
Our politicians need to be a help to us all and not hindrances by making childish 'cries' in public!
To my mind, she would have accomplished a similar evoking of emotion. . . had she had a gun drawn on her shirt! Violent imagery is advocating for violent action.
Then they may be wrong.
Let us consider:
So that is a group? Then you should have no trouble proving it's a conspiracy ring! So much bull from the non-stop Shameless! It would be so much easier (and nicer) to leave these people along, but the Shameless simply can't leave anybody along not like them!
BTW, since you are into 'listing' group associations - where is the list for all the white boys and men that spray the public with bullets? Post it. I won't. I don't want nor need to play such silly games.
Explains why the media has been fairly quiet about this.
I wonder why. It's not like this is the first time somebody from that community carried out an act like this.
I just read one comment on another seed which indicates that ABC withheld the trans info on the shooter.
I wonder why. It's not like this is the first time somebody from that community carried out an act like this.
The mayor has been an active trans supporter.
BTW, if anybody has any info on the shooter, please pass it along to the Minneapolis Police Chief. He is still baffled.
They have to support their narrative.
The person who posted it said he wasn't trans.
That is what the leftist media does to people.
I wonder why these screwed up young guys would want to identify as female. After all, the left seems to treat women so disrespectfully.
Who is that wearing the dress? And why do you think the photo is disrespectful? (No, the imagery does not speak for itself. You should explain why you posted it!)
Wonder if this person was actually going through gender altering treatments? There was an opinion on Jesse Watters last night that perhaps all of these gender altering drugs may be fucking up these people even more than the want to become a member of the opposite sex does.
I condemn this comment. 'Wild' speculation is fueling the problem in this country. Get honest scientific facts. Then talk about them. Enough with impugning whole classes of CITIZENS!
Is it speculation that this person was trans?
Is it speculation that a trans person killed children in a mass shooting not that long ago?
Do you think people want to believe that drugs caused this demented, evil behavior and the person didn't just come up with it on their own?
I am not sure what you are asking me to address. Try reframing the question/s in commentary, please. I will give it a try to reply when you do.
It appears you are accusing people of "wild speculation" which is impugning a whole class of Citizens. I am trying to figure out what speculation you are talking about.
That comment farther exacerbates this. What is your point. . .if in the form of a question is too much. . . then just put it in comment form! Hope that helps.
As for what I mean. . . we do not know why this individual 'nutted' up or what became his or 'her' last straw! If you do-share it. But to jump to conclusion. . .you have not established that you have insight that law enforcement does not have (yet). So stop with exceeding your 'grasp' of the known. . . as of 'recent'!
Newly released details:
"Transgender Minneapolis school shooter Robin Westman targeted his former Catholic school’s first Mass of the year because he wanted to kill as many kids as possible, according to chilling, detailed notes he wrote.
Police also revealed that he tried to enter the school via the front door, but it had been barricaded, preventing a potentially even greater slaughter.
The killer said that he targeted Annunciation Catholic School and the church next door because he knew it well — his mother worked there as a secretary and he attended it as a child.
“I really want to shoot down the rows of pews at all the kids thinking they can hide lol. They are going to be trapped in those pews! Easy targets! Waiting ducks!” he wrote in the Aug. 7 entry of his twisted handwritten diary that he shared on YouTube before Wednesday’s mass shooting that killed two young kids and injured 18 others.
The killer made meticulous plans, attending church several times to ascertain entry points and potential obstacles — as well as picking a time when he knew the children would be there without their parents.
“The school schedule is publicly posted online so I should go through that and look for events that look promising. Oooo! Aug. 27th, that is an all-school mass!” the gunman put in the July 25 entry written in a homespun code of Russian Cyrillic and English words, which was translated by The Post.
“It starts at 8:15 so that means it’s after school starts and most parents will probably not be there!” the missive continued.
The entry for Aug. 8 reads, “I think my next best option is going through the south foyer doors that everyone uses. The church office opens at eight and there will be employees in the foyer, probably teachers too on that day. I want to be seen as little as possible before I start shooting.”
On Aug. 10, he wrote, “I bet the front doors will be unlocked today. I will go to Starbucks at 8:40, chill there, [then] walk to the church at 9:30, arrive about three minutes late,” describing his trial run of the shooting.
“I will walk down the west side and try door 22 on my way to the south doors. After Mass, I will try to exit out of the main doors and walk down the east side to go to the office,” he wrote
He said he picked the target because of his familiarity with it.
“I went to that school so I know the layout. I don’t think I really need to do that much recon at the start of the school,” he wrote.
Law enforcement said Westman planned his shooting to kill as many children as possible.
The sadistic killer “appeared to hate all of us,” said Acting US Attorney for Minnesota Joseph Thompson, as he described investigations into the motive.
“I won’t dignify the attacker’s words by repeating them, they are horrific and vile. But in short, the attacker wanted to watch children suffer,” he said at a press conference on Thursday.
“More than anything, the shooter wanted to kill children. The shooter was obsessed with the idea of killing children ,” Thompson said, speaking alongside Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara.
Westman’s diary lays out how carefully he planned his attack on the Annunciation Catholic School and Church, even down to the car spot he would park in.
“The parking spot at Annunciation I wanted to use is a handicap spot, so it might be suspicious if I park there. It shouldn’t be a big deal initially, I don’t think I will be in my car long or even park in a spot now anyway,” he wrote.
He also looked for anyone who might be capable of challenging him.
“Both times I went to the church, I didn’t see any men under the age of 55. I only saw old people and some mom-aged ladies, some with very young kids,” he said.
“Even still, these boomers could be packing.”
Two kids — Fletcher Merkel , 8, and a 10-year-old student — “were killed where they sat” in pews when Westman opened fire through the church’s stained-glass windows. Another 17 people — including 14 kids — were injured, some critically."
Exclusive | Minneapolis shooter Robin Westman targeted school Mass to kill as many children as possible
Sure. A lot of good that will do when the shooter is dead. What can they do. . .charge him?
Final thoughts:
Robert/Robin Westman appears to have felt the Catholic School he attended wasn't supportive of his trans agenda. This is not the first time we have had this kind of shooter.
If we look back at statistics, until the trans phenomenon of the past 5 years, people who suffered from "gender dysphoria" were a very tiny fraction of 1% of the population. It was an absolute rarity almost unheard of. Then the left sort of hoisted it up as a new civil rights cause, so they latched onto it and inflated the numbers. And then the trans people kind of became the tip of the spear for the gay community. The university built on it from there and as usual they indoctrinated people.
Prior to the phenomenon it was considered a clinical disorder. When the left mainstreamed it, it was no longer considered a psychiatric problem. The left maintained that it was perfectly natural. Suddenly we had science turned on its head and there were more than two sexes. The other terrible thing the left did was to make it easy for young kids to get dangerous drugs and have life altering traumatic operations.
I blame the left more than the shooter.
"Good night and good luck."
MAGA supporters blame the Left for 'everything' that is not a part of right-wing agenda! Nothing to get wrong on that 'account.' And, once more, I remind you that you have not put forth a 'cause and effect' stance on white male heterosexual boy and men shootings which are numerous and 'counting'. . . so do not try to 'front' on other people.
We see bull and partial 'argument's, and we call it out (every time)!
Any fool that can kill innocent children is a ridiculously evil individual. Especially a fool that would shoot without proper aim to know 'what' or 'how' he is destroying the bodies and lives of somebodies!
Moreover, I am pretty sure that in this 'popourri' we call "America," even people like you know a trans-individual or several through encountering. . .in your travels on any given day. Why your stated position should be to try to exploit any suffering Others-human beings all-because you 'can' is beyond me. . . and beyond the pail.
Shame on the merciless Shameless who 'mouth' the word of God but do not mean it.